Ran a 10k - Official Thread (14 Viewers)

[Hang 10]

Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.

You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.

Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.

Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.

Another benefit to running outside rather than the treadmill, this isn't an option when you're over a mile away from your house.

Perhaps. Right now, I know if I actually stop, I become a highlight reel on America's Funniest Home Videos. If I'm a mile from my house and say "screw it", then I'm just walking home. There are days where the threat of physical harm are needed to get me through

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm still a pretty significant mental midget when it comes to running. My muscles are working fine, my heart, my breathing, all that is so much improved, but I'm still battling myself mentally.

If it makes you feel any better, we all do. Those internal mental battles are just constantly changing as you develop as a runner.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[The Commish]

Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.

You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.

Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.

Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.

Another benefit to running outside rather than the treadmill, this isn't an option when you're over a mile away from your house.

Perhaps. Right now, I know if I actually stop, I become a highlight reel on America's Funniest Home Videos. If I'm a mile from my house and say "screw it", then I'm just walking home. There are days where the threat of physical harm are needed to get me through

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm still a pretty significant mental midget when it comes to running. My muscles are working fine, my heart, my breathing, all that is so much improved, but I'm still battling myself mentally.

If it makes you feel any better, we all do. Those internal mental battles are just constantly changing as you develop as a runner.

Well that sucks....I thought this was just a phase It may slow me a bit, but it's not going to stop me.

 

[Hang 10]

Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.

You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.

Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.

Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.

Another benefit to running outside rather than the treadmill, this isn't an option when you're over a mile away from your house.

Perhaps. Right now, I know if I actually stop, I become a highlight reel on America's Funniest Home Videos. If I'm a mile from my house and say "screw it", then I'm just walking home. There are days where the threat of physical harm are needed to get me through

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm still a pretty significant mental midget when it comes to running. My muscles are working fine, my heart, my breathing, all that is so much improved, but I'm still battling myself mentally.

If it makes you feel any better, we all do. Those internal mental battles are just constantly changing as you develop as a runner.

Well that sucks....I thought this was just a phase It may slow me a bit, but it's not going to stop me.

I don't think that's what Mac was really saying. I think he means at what ever a stage of your running you are at, there's mental/motivation battle. That's not meaning that we all constantly struggle to just go for a run or quit mid run. In my case, the more I've improved the more I struggle to motivate myself to continue to improve. I think we will always ask ourselves "why" we are doing what we are doing.

 

[The Commish]

Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.

You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.

Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.

Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.

Another benefit to running outside rather than the treadmill, this isn't an option when you're over a mile away from your house.

Perhaps. Right now, I know if I actually stop, I become a highlight reel on America's Funniest Home Videos. If I'm a mile from my house and say "screw it", then I'm just walking home. There are days where the threat of physical harm are needed to get me through

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm still a pretty significant mental midget when it comes to running. My muscles are working fine, my heart, my breathing, all that is so much improved, but I'm still battling myself mentally.

If it makes you feel any better, we all do. Those internal mental battles are just constantly changing as you develop as a runner.

Well that sucks....I thought this was just a phase It may slow me a bit, but it's not going to stop me.

I don't think that's what Mac was really saying. I think he means at what ever a stage of your running you are at, there's mental/motivation battle. That's not meaning that we all constantly struggle to just go for a run or quit mid run. In my case, the more I've improved the more I struggle to motivate myself to continue to improve. I think we will always ask ourselves "why" we are doing what we are doing.

No, I got it. I was just hoping I would stop asking myself why, because really I have no answer other than to lose weight and be part of the cool thread at FBG.

 

[Hang 10]

Those are as good as reasons as any.

 

[MAC_32]

Eventually you will have different goals and mental demons to overcome, like beating that ####### crossfit choche that's been six strides ahead of you for the last five miles pissing you off.

The difference is when you succeed beating those goals the feeling is a lot more rewarding.

 

[ChiefD]

And you will also reach a point where the days you DON'T run you feel mad at yourself for not going. Those days usually re-energize me to get back out there the next day.

Signing up for races is always a good motivator. One of the ways I stay on track is to have that race in the future. For me, it's the half marathon, and soon the full marathon. It forces me to stay on schedule and I have a specific plan each day for what I want to accomplish by running.

And your race can be a 5k, or 10k, or whatever. And once you get that race-day experience, you will want to go back. It's pretty cool, and you are united with a bunch of people just like you.

 

[Nigel]

I'm a perpetual self-doubter, in running and everything else. As far as running goes though best thing to do is sign up for a race and stick to a plan leading up to it. Fear of failure is a great motivator. If you read through the thread you'll find a bunch of guys unsure about whether the work they're putting in will translate to the results they're looking for on race day but 9 out of 10 times it seems like it does.

 

[Ned]

A new article was posted this morning in the (free) online version of Ultrarunning Magazine on Metabolic Efficiency Training and Fat Burning. Pretty good summary from Sunny, who is a local Sports Nutritionist and ultrarunner. The key concept, and the one I struggle with the most, is that this is 70% diet and 30% training (much like weight loss itself).

Awesome article - everyone should read this! My only nitpick is he makes it sound like the exercise training is a one and done situation "Will you lose your speed? No, this is just a base training period; remember, we are not talking about that long—four to 10 weeks.". I think it's a permanent fixture in anyone's training regardless of abilities.

I agree with his 70/30 breakdown; I think the nutrition aspect is the main reason for my improvement last year. I was a huge carb burner that depended on so many damn gels to get through a week's worth of workouts. :X I'm now able to roll out of bed, have a coffee, and go run for 2+ hours with zero fuel. There's only one way that happens - improved fat burning.

This is very close what we did as a family; the one thing we still struggle with is finding ways to keep the leafy greens going. It gets old really quick. "Remember, this is not a low-carb diet; it is a balanced diet. This means your meals will look different than the usual bagels, oatmeal and pasta. Breakfast may be black beans, spinach and eggs (or egg whites) microwaved to resemble an omelet, with some feta cheese or salsa on top. Or it may be yogurt with lots of berries and nuts added. Lunch and/or dinner may be a huge salad with steak, salmon or tofu on top. Or it may be a lean piece of meat with lots of vegetables and some fruit and a small bit of cheese for dessert. If you cannot go cold turkey on grains, then add a small bit of quinoa or brown rice to your dinner, but this will delay results somewhat. Snacks can be cut-up veggies with a yogurt-based dip. Soups, chili, stew, lettuce wraps—be creative!"

I somewhat disagree with him about it not being a calories counting exercise. I'll bet 95% of people have no clue what their daily intake is in terms of macros. There's only one way to figure that out - count your calories. I learned a ton by tracking my daily intake on myfitnesspal. Once you get a handle of what is in the foods you eat, it's easy to do. But before then, you're just taking wild ### guesses, IMO.

One last random thought that I think is huge (I remember us discussing this before) - "Try training first thing in the morning, fasted." I really think this was a big breakthrough moment for me when I realized just how long I could go in a fasted state. I started small; just doing it on 5mi recovery days. I gradually stepped it up to 8mi MLRs and then 12-13mi. I think it was my final 20 miler of the cycle where I went for it on an empty stomach and I felt incredible. Aside from the physiological advantages, it was a huge mental boost to know I could knock out 20 miles with no fuel.

Oh and quinoa fn sucks. Hate that stuff.

 

[Brony]

A new article was posted this morning in the (free) online version of Ultrarunning Magazine on Metabolic Efficiency Training and Fat Burning. Pretty good summary from Sunny, who is a local Sports Nutritionist and ultrarunner. The key concept, and the one I struggle with the most, is that this is 70% diet and 30% training (much like weight loss itself).

Awesome article - everyone should read this! My only nitpick is he makes it sound like the exercise training is a one and done situation "Will you lose your speed? No, this is just a base training period; remember, we are not talking about that long—four to 10 weeks.". I think it's a permanent fixture in anyone's training regardless of abilities.

I agree with his 70/30 breakdown; I think the nutrition aspect is the main reason for my improvement last year. I was a huge carb burner that depended on so many damn gels to get through a week's worth of workouts. :X I'm now able to roll out of bed, have a coffee, and go run for 2+ hours with zero fuel. There's only one way that happens - improved fat burning.

This is very close what we did as a family; the one thing we still struggle with is finding ways to keep the leafy greens going. It gets old really quick. "Remember, this is not a low-carb diet; it is a balanced diet. This means your meals will look different than the usual bagels, oatmeal and pasta. Breakfast may be black beans, spinach and eggs (or egg whites) microwaved to resemble an omelet, with some feta cheese or salsa on top. Or it may be yogurt with lots of berries and nuts added. Lunch and/or dinner may be a huge salad with steak, salmon or tofu on top. Or it may be a lean piece of meat with lots of vegetables and some fruit and a small bit of cheese for dessert. If you cannot go cold turkey on grains, then add a small bit of quinoa or brown rice to your dinner, but this will delay results somewhat. Snacks can be cut-up veggies with a yogurt-based dip. Soups, chili, stew, lettuce wraps—be creative!"

Oh and quinoa fn sucks. Hate that stuff.

There is not a single thing mentioned in that diet that I enjoy eating except maybe steak/salmon.

 

[The Commish]

And you will also reach a point where the days you DON'T run you feel mad at yourself for not going. Those days usually re-energize me to get back out there the next day.

Signing up for races is always a good motivator. One of the ways I stay on track is to have that race in the future. For me, it's the half marathon, and soon the full marathon. It forces me to stay on schedule and I have a specific plan each day for what I want to accomplish by running.

And your race can be a 5k, or 10k, or whatever. And once you get that race-day experience, you will want to go back. It's pretty cool, and you are united with a bunch of people just like you.

I already feel this....not so much mad as fretting because I know that if I miss a day, I can easily get off track. That said, during this time since January I've taken two weeks off. One when I was sick and the other for my son's spring break. I never thought about NOT going back, which is big progress for me.

 

[Annyong]

All this talk just got me to sign up for my first race of the year. The Lincoln Park Zoo 5k in Chicago. I really need to get off my ### and get into shape.

 

[Juxtatarot]

A new article was posted this morning in the (free) online version of Ultrarunning Magazine on Metabolic Efficiency Training and Fat Burning. Pretty good summary from Sunny, who is a local Sports Nutritionist and ultrarunner. The key concept, and the one I struggle with the most, is that this is 70% diet and 30% training (much like weight loss itself).

Awesome article - everyone should read this! My only nitpick is he makes it sound like the exercise training is a one and done situation "Will you lose your speed? No, this is just a base training period; remember, we are not talking about that long—four to 10 weeks.". I think it's a permanent fixture in anyone's training regardless of abilities.I agree with his 70/30 breakdown; I think the nutrition aspect is the main reason for my improvement last year. I was a huge carb burner that depended on so many damn gels to get through a week's worth of workouts. :X I'm now able to roll out of bed, have a coffee, and go run for 2+ hours with zero fuel. There's only one way that happens - improved fat burning.

This is very close what we did as a family; the one thing we still struggle with is finding ways to keep the leafy greens going. It gets old really quick. "Remember, this is not a low-carb diet; it is a balanced diet. This means your meals will look different than the usual bagels, oatmeal and pasta. Breakfast may be black beans, spinach and eggs (or egg whites) microwaved to resemble an omelet, with some feta cheese or salsa on top. Or it may be yogurt with lots of berries and nuts added. Lunch and/or dinner may be a huge salad with steak, salmon or tofu on top. Or it may be a lean piece of meat with lots of vegetables and some fruit and a small bit of cheese for dessert. If you cannot go cold turkey on grains, then add a small bit of quinoa or brown rice to your dinner, but this will delay results somewhat. Snacks can be cut-up veggies with a yogurt-based dip. Soups, chili, stew, lettuce wraps—be creative!"

Oh and quinoa fn sucks. Hate that stuff.

There is not a single thing mentioned in that diet that I enjoy eating except maybe steak/salmon.

If I followed those guidelines, I'd probably drop to 120 lbs.

Regardless, this fat burning adaptation is much less important for race distances of half marathon and less. Runners should have plenty of carb energy stored for those.

 

[ChiefD]

A new article was posted this morning in the (free) online version of Ultrarunning Magazine on Metabolic Efficiency Training and Fat Burning. Pretty good summary from Sunny, who is a local Sports Nutritionist and ultrarunner. The key concept, and the one I struggle with the most, is that this is 70% diet and 30% training (much like weight loss itself).

One last random thought that I think is huge (I remember us discussing this before) - "Try training first thing in the morning, fasted." I really think this was a big breakthrough moment for me when I realized just how long I could go in a fasted state. I started small; just doing it on 5mi recovery days. I gradually stepped it up to 8mi MLRs and then 12-13mi. I think it was my final 20 miler of the cycle where I went for it on an empty stomach and I felt incredible. Aside from the physiological advantages, it was a huge mental boost to know I could knock out 20 miles with no fuel.

It's funny, I started doing this for the most part at the beginning of my last training cycle. I cheated a little - I had to have a piece of toast in my stomach before I started, but I ran all my long runs with no nutrition during the run.

That article is good stuff, and really falls into a lot of things I've changed in my diet the last 6 months.

 

[Brony]

All this talk just got me to sign up for my first race of the year. The Lincoln Park Zoo 5k in Chicago. I really need to get off my ### and get into shape.

trying to find a race to go head to head vs. my brother who lives in downtown. Unfortunately for me, the little kids event is already sold out.

I do recall this event is the one that messes up parking for all of Lincoln Park. Well, one of many events that does this.

 

[Hang 10]

Ran 6.5 today on my lunch break. Attempted a small tempo run based on heart rate in the middle on the boardwalk.

1 mile - 6:58 (179 bpm)

2 mile - 7:04 (181 bpm)

.7 mile - 7:03 pace (181 bpm)

Felt solid and sustainable. Would like to see that heart rate go down and pace up a bit but hey, that's why I'm training.

 

[SFBayDuck]

A new article was posted this morning in the (free) online version of Ultrarunning Magazine on Metabolic Efficiency Training and Fat Burning. Pretty good summary from Sunny, who is a local Sports Nutritionist and ultrarunner. The key concept, and the one I struggle with the most, is that this is 70% diet and 30% training (much like weight loss itself).

Awesome article - everyone should read this! My only nitpick is he makes it sound like the exercise training is a one and done situation "Will you lose your speed? No, this is just a base training period; remember, we are not talking about that long—four to 10 weeks.". I think it's a permanent fixture in anyone's training regardless of abilities.

I agree with his 70/30 breakdown; I think the nutrition aspect is the main reason for my improvement last year. I was a huge carb burner that depended on so many damn gels to get through a week's worth of workouts. :X I'm now able to roll out of bed, have a coffee, and go run for 2+ hours with zero fuel. There's only one way that happens - improved fat burning.

This is very close what we did as a family; the one thing we still struggle with is finding ways to keep the leafy greens going. It gets old really quick. "Remember, this is not a low-carb diet; it is a balanced diet. This means your meals will look different than the usual bagels, oatmeal and pasta. Breakfast may be black beans, spinach and eggs (or egg whites) microwaved to resemble an omelet, with some feta cheese or salsa on top. Or it may be yogurt with lots of berries and nuts added. Lunch and/or dinner may be a huge salad with steak, salmon or tofu on top. Or it may be a lean piece of meat with lots of vegetables and some fruit and a small bit of cheese for dessert. If you cannot go cold turkey on grains, then add a small bit of quinoa or brown rice to your dinner, but this will delay results somewhat. Snacks can be cut-up veggies with a yogurt-based dip. Soups, chili, stew, lettuce wraps—be creative!"

I somewhat disagree with him about it not being a calories counting exercise. I'll bet 95% of people have no clue what their daily intake is in terms of macros. There's only one way to figure that out - count your calories. I learned a ton by tracking my daily intake on myfitnesspal. Once you get a handle of what is in the foods you eat, it's easy to do. But before then, you're just taking wild ### guesses, IMO.

One last random thought that I think is huge (I remember us discussing this before) - "Try training first thing in the morning, fasted." I really think this was a big breakthrough moment for me when I realized just how long I could go in a fasted state. I started small; just doing it on 5mi recovery days. I gradually stepped it up to 8mi MLRs and then 12-13mi. I think it was my final 20 miler of the cycle where I went for it on an empty stomach and I felt incredible. Aside from the physiological advantages, it was a huge mental boost to know I could knock out 20 miles with no fuel.

Oh and quinoa fn sucks. Hate that stuff.

Good analysis, and I know you and Fubar in particular seem to be interested in this stuff. She does over-simplify things a little, part of the nature of summarizing Bob Seebohar's whole book into a magazine article. She wrote a slightly longer version a couple of years ago, and I've heard her speak on it as well. She also doesn't get into the periodization concept of nutrition in the article, which Seebohar talks about a lot - basically time your carb intake around harder/longer efforts to not undo the metabolic efficiency you've built.

I agree with the fasted running thing, as it's simply the easiest way to incorporate this type of training into the schedule - get up, drink some coffee, and go out and run for an hour or two. I never worry about bringing calories unless I'm going over two hours, and even then it's often just for "backup" if I need a little kick 2 1/2 hours in. I do "practice" my race nutrition at times in a long run and take gels/sports drink from the beginning, but not on all of them.

 

[SFBayDuck]

If I followed those guidelines, I'd probably drop to 120 lbs.

Regardless, this fat burning adaptation is much less important for race distances of half marathon and less. Runners should have plenty of carb energy stored for those.

No doubt, this is really for people running longer distances - it does appear in Ultrarunning Magazine after all. I'm sure there are benefits of this for half marathon and 10K runners, just like there is benefit to having a good aerobic base for a 5K guy, but at those intensities you're primarily burning carbs anyway.

 

[MAC_32]

A new article was posted this morning in the (free) online version of Ultrarunning Magazine on Metabolic Efficiency Training and Fat Burning. Pretty good summary from Sunny, who is a local Sports Nutritionist and ultrarunner. The key concept, and the one I struggle with the most, is that this is 70% diet and 30% training (much like weight loss itself).

Awesome article - everyone should read this! My only nitpick is he makes it sound like the exercise training is a one and done situation "Will you lose your speed? No, this is just a base training period; remember, we are not talking about that long—four to 10 weeks.". I think it's a permanent fixture in anyone's training regardless of abilities.

I agree with his 70/30 breakdown; I think the nutrition aspect is the main reason for my improvement last year. I was a huge carb burner that depended on so many damn gels to get through a week's worth of workouts. :X I'm now able to roll out of bed, have a coffee, and go run for 2+ hours with zero fuel. There's only one way that happens - improved fat burning.

This is very close what we did as a family; the one thing we still struggle with is finding ways to keep the leafy greens going. It gets old really quick. "Remember, this is not a low-carb diet; it is a balanced diet. This means your meals will look different than the usual bagels, oatmeal and pasta. Breakfast may be black beans, spinach and eggs (or egg whites) microwaved to resemble an omelet, with some feta cheese or salsa on top. Or it may be yogurt with lots of berries and nuts added. Lunch and/or dinner may be a huge salad with steak, salmon or tofu on top. Or it may be a lean piece of meat with lots of vegetables and some fruit and a small bit of cheese for dessert. If you cannot go cold turkey on grains, then add a small bit of quinoa or brown rice to your dinner, but this will delay results somewhat. Snacks can be cut-up veggies with a yogurt-based dip. Soups, chili, stew, lettuce wraps—be creative!"

I somewhat disagree with him about it not being a calories counting exercise. I'll bet 95% of people have no clue what their daily intake is in terms of macros. There's only one way to figure that out - count your calories. I learned a ton by tracking my daily intake on myfitnesspal. Once you get a handle of what is in the foods you eat, it's easy to do. But before then, you're just taking wild ### guesses, IMO.

One last random thought that I think is huge (I remember us discussing this before) - "Try training first thing in the morning, fasted." I really think this was a big breakthrough moment for me when I realized just how long I could go in a fasted state. I started small; just doing it on 5mi recovery days. I gradually stepped it up to 8mi MLRs and then 12-13mi. I think it was my final 20 miler of the cycle where I went for it on an empty stomach and I felt incredible. Aside from the physiological advantages, it was a huge mental boost to know I could knock out 20 miles with no fuel.

Oh and quinoa fn sucks. Hate that stuff.

Good analysis, and I know you and Fubar in particular seem to be interested in this stuff. She does over-simplify things a little, part of the nature of summarizing Bob Seebohar's whole book into a magazine article. She wrote a slightly longer version a couple of years ago, and I've heard her speak on it as well. She also doesn't get into the periodization concept of nutrition in the article, which Seebohar talks about a lot - basically time your carb intake around harder/longer efforts to not undo the metabolic efficiency you've built.

I agree with the fasted running thing, as it's simply the easiest way to incorporate this type of training into the schedule - get up, drink some coffee, and go out and run for an hour or two. I never worry about bringing calories unless I'm going over two hours, and even then it's often just for "backup" if I need a little kick 2 1/2 hours in. I do "practice" my race nutrition at times in a long run and take gels/sports drink from the beginning, but not on all of them.

I would appreciate it if all of you continued posting about it.

I will continue to ignore the bread part about it for cost reasons, but I've begun to incorporate other aspects into my diet.

 

[The Commish]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

 

[pbm107]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

Nothing, I do the majority of my running fasted. The only time I don't run fasted is if I am running after or during lunch.

 

[FUBAR]

And you will also reach a point where the days you DON'T run you feel mad at yourself for not going. Those days usually re-energize me to get back out there the next day.

Signing up for races is always a good motivator. One of the ways I stay on track is to have that race in the future. For me, it's the half marathon, and soon the full marathon. It forces me to stay on schedule and I have a specific plan each day for what I want to accomplish by running.

And your race can be a 5k, or 10k, or whatever. And once you get that race-day experience, you will want to go back. It's pretty cool, and you are united with a bunch of people just like you.

This is true. But don't overdo the races.

I'm really happy right now looking forward and only having two races on the schedule. I need some time to recoup after the Raleigh HIM which I don't feel prepared for. I'm sure I'll sign up for more when I get to Alabama and see the trails, but for now it will be focusing on overall health. Then when motivation returns, I'll be all over it.

 

[FUBAR]

Ran 6.5 today on my lunch break. Attempted a small tempo run based on heart rate in the middle on the boardwalk.

1 mile - 6:58 (179 bpm)

2 mile - 7:04 (181 bpm)

.7 mile - 7:03 pace (181 bpm)

Felt solid and sustainable. Would like to see that heart rate go down and pace up a bit but hey, that's why I'm training.

Almost the exact opposite of my lunch run.

went with a buddy, he's training for a few full IM and marathons so we went slow. kept his pace, which ended up being 9 minute miles, my HR stayed in the 130s, average 135. 70 minutes. Nice and slow.

 

[ChiefD]

Had a run yesterday I was pretty happy with. I usually run on Wednesday's during my son's soccer practice, so I usually have a little less than an hour to kill. Last night was beautiful - just decided to go run and try and be around my HM pace I had.

Ended up at 4.45 miles at an 8:24 pace. HR 166. But damn, it felt GOOD.

Contrast to the HM where I was at 8:29 pace with a avg HR of 174.

I know it really doesn't mean a whole lot, but with my next half coming May 9th, I felt strong. Really strong. And really all my runs since the half have been really good.

 

[MAC_32]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

If you increase your mileage you'll want to start consuming something during, but at your mileage it's fine.

I'm not an early morning runner, so I'm real dependent on hitting the right windows as far as food intake is concerned. Every day I have two cups of coffee, a banana, an everything bagel with almond butter, and oatmeal from about 8 am til 11 am. If I run around 1 this is usually sufficient to get me through my run without feeling like I'm dragging due to a full stomach but I also don't run out of energy due to an empty stomach. If I am just an hour late due to work or family stuff then everything is thrown out of whack because by then I don't have enough food in my system to get through the run.

If I'm running more than 5 miles, or I miss my window, then I'll also pack a nutrigrain bar in my pocket in case I need something during.

 

[The Commish]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

If you increase your mileage you'll want to start consuming something during, but at your mileage it's fine.

I'm not an early morning runner, so I'm real dependent on hitting the right windows as far as food intake is concerned. Every day I have two cups of coffee, a banana, an everything bagel with almond butter, and oatmeal from about 8 am til 11 am. If I run around 1 this is usually sufficient to get me through my run without feeling like I'm dragging due to a full stomach but I also don't run out of energy due to an empty stomach. If I am just an hour late due to work or family stuff then everything is thrown out of whack because by then I don't have enough food in my system to get through the run.

If I'm running more than 5 miles, or I miss my window, then I'll also pack a nutrigrain bar in my pocket in case I need something during.

I'm not an early morning anything by choice (other than sleeper) but it's when I have the time, so I make it work. I go on the way home from dropping the kids off at school. I've wondered if I need to have "a little something" because some days I get tired but it's rare now.

 

[El Floppo]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

If you increase your mileage you'll want to start consuming something during, but at your mileage it's fine.

I'm not an early morning runner, so I'm real dependent on hitting the right windows as far as food intake is concerned. Every day I have two cups of coffee, a banana, an everything bagel with almond butter, and oatmeal from about 8 am til 11 am. If I run around 1 this is usually sufficient to get me through my run without feeling like I'm dragging due to a full stomach but I also don't run out of energy due to an empty stomach. If I am just an hour late due to work or family stuff then everything is thrown out of whack because by then I don't have enough food in my system to get through the run.

If I'm running more than 5 miles, or I miss my window, then I'll also pack a nutrigrain bar in my pocket in case I need something during.

I'm 10 years out of the loop, so outdated caveat... but back innaday, our rule was any cardio workout less than 90 minutes, your body was fine with the fuel on hand (in belly/reserves). After 90 mins, you needed to start providing fuel.

 

[pbm107]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

If you increase your mileage you'll want to start consuming something during, but at your mileage it's fine.

I'm not an early morning runner, so I'm real dependent on hitting the right windows as far as food intake is concerned. Every day I have two cups of coffee, a banana, an everything bagel with almond butter, and oatmeal from about 8 am til 11 am. If I run around 1 this is usually sufficient to get me through my run without feeling like I'm dragging due to a full stomach but I also don't run out of energy due to an empty stomach. If I am just an hour late due to work or family stuff then everything is thrown out of whack because by then I don't have enough food in my system to get through the run.

If I'm running more than 5 miles, or I miss my window, then I'll also pack a nutrigrain bar in my pocket in case I need something during.

I'm 10 years out of the loop, so outdated caveat... but back innaday, our rule was any cardio workout less than 90 minutes, your body was fine with the fuel on hand (in belly/reserves). After 90 mins, you needed to start providing fuel.

Once you become fat adapted you don't need any fuel for easy running. I have no issue running 20 milers without any fuel and fasted.

 

[The Commish]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

If you increase your mileage you'll want to start consuming something during, but at your mileage it's fine.

I'm not an early morning runner, so I'm real dependent on hitting the right windows as far as food intake is concerned. Every day I have two cups of coffee, a banana, an everything bagel with almond butter, and oatmeal from about 8 am til 11 am. If I run around 1 this is usually sufficient to get me through my run without feeling like I'm dragging due to a full stomach but I also don't run out of energy due to an empty stomach. If I am just an hour late due to work or family stuff then everything is thrown out of whack because by then I don't have enough food in my system to get through the run.

If I'm running more than 5 miles, or I miss my window, then I'll also pack a nutrigrain bar in my pocket in case I need something during.

I'm 10 years out of the loop, so outdated caveat... but back innaday, our rule was any cardio workout less than 90 minutes, your body was fine with the fuel on hand (in belly/reserves). After 90 mins, you needed to start providing fuel.

Once you become fat adapted you don't need any fuel for easy running. I have no issue running 20 milers without any fuel and fasted.

I need to become "fat adapted" whatever that means I have plenty of fat to be consumed, that's for sure.

 

[El Floppo]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

If you increase your mileage you'll want to start consuming something during, but at your mileage it's fine.

I'm not an early morning runner, so I'm real dependent on hitting the right windows as far as food intake is concerned. Every day I have two cups of coffee, a banana, an everything bagel with almond butter, and oatmeal from about 8 am til 11 am. If I run around 1 this is usually sufficient to get me through my run without feeling like I'm dragging due to a full stomach but I also don't run out of energy due to an empty stomach. If I am just an hour late due to work or family stuff then everything is thrown out of whack because by then I don't have enough food in my system to get through the run.

If I'm running more than 5 miles, or I miss my window, then I'll also pack a nutrigrain bar in my pocket in case I need something during.

I'm 10 years out of the loop, so outdated caveat... but back innaday, our rule was any cardio workout less than 90 minutes, your body was fine with the fuel on hand (in belly/reserves). After 90 mins, you needed to start providing fuel.

Once you become fat adapted you don't need any fuel for easy running. I have no issue running 20 milers without any fuel and fasted.

I've become fat. Does that count? eta: and I've adapted to being fat. winning?

"fat adapted"... no idea what that means.

 

[pbm107]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

If you increase your mileage you'll want to start consuming something during, but at your mileage it's fine.

I'm not an early morning runner, so I'm real dependent on hitting the right windows as far as food intake is concerned. Every day I have two cups of coffee, a banana, an everything bagel with almond butter, and oatmeal from about 8 am til 11 am. If I run around 1 this is usually sufficient to get me through my run without feeling like I'm dragging due to a full stomach but I also don't run out of energy due to an empty stomach. If I am just an hour late due to work or family stuff then everything is thrown out of whack because by then I don't have enough food in my system to get through the run.

If I'm running more than 5 miles, or I miss my window, then I'll also pack a nutrigrain bar in my pocket in case I need something during.

I'm 10 years out of the loop, so outdated caveat... but back innaday, our rule was any cardio workout less than 90 minutes, your body was fine with the fuel on hand (in belly/reserves). After 90 mins, you needed to start providing fuel.

Once you become fat adapted you don't need any fuel for easy running. I have no issue running 20 milers without any fuel and fasted.

I've become fat. Does that count? eta: and I've adapted to being fat. winning?

"fat adapted"... no idea what that means.

From a nutrition standpoint it is explained pretty well here.

From a training view this has been posted many times in this thread:

Hadd's approach to distance training

I have been pretty good for a while on the slow running part of it, getting better on the diet part. Even when my diet was horrible I didn't need to fuel on longer runs when I followed the HR recommendations in the Hadd article.

 

[Hang 10]

Had a run yesterday I was pretty happy with. I usually run on Wednesday's during my son's soccer practice, so I usually have a little less than an hour to kill. Last night was beautiful - just decided to go run and try and be around my HM pace I had.

Ended up at 4.45 miles at an 8:24 pace. HR 166. But damn, it felt GOOD.

Contrast to the HM where I was at 8:29 pace with a avg HR of 174.

I know it really doesn't mean a whole lot, but with my next half coming May 9th, I felt strong. Really strong. And really all my runs since the half have been really good.

What do you mean it doesn't mean a lot? Looks like improvement to me.

 

[SFBayDuck]

I've spent the past few days trying to make up for my knee keeping me from maximizing a few key weeks of peak training with one last push before I start to taper for my race on 5/9. Four runs in the last five days for 46 miles and over 7,000 of elevation gain, along with a few post-run 20-25 minute sauna sessions. Everything has been at easy pace, other than a hard downhill 2 miles yesterday to try and toughen the quads a bit. I really just have one more "key workout" I want to get in with another hard downhill effort early next week, just hoping that the knee continues to hold up and can get me through 62 miles on race day.

 

[Ned]

So, am I doing it wrong? I never eat before I run. #1, I'm too busy in the AM getting the kids ready for school, taking them to school etc. #2, I was always told to not run around right after eating (old wives tale I suppose) but the only thing that's typically in my belly when I run in the AM is part of a 32 ounce bottle of water...usually half.

If you increase your mileage you'll want to start consuming something during, but at your mileage it's fine.I'm not an early morning runner, so I'm real dependent on hitting the right windows as far as food intake is concerned. Every day I have two cups of coffee, a banana, an everything bagel with almond butter, and oatmeal from about 8 am til 11 am. If I run around 1 this is usually sufficient to get me through my run without feeling like I'm dragging due to a full stomach but I also don't run out of energy due to an empty stomach. If I am just an hour late due to work or family stuff then everything is thrown out of whack because by then I don't have enough food in my system to get through the run.

If I'm running more than 5 miles, or I miss my window, then I'll also pack a nutrigrain bar in my pocket in case I need something during.

I'm 10 years out of the loop, so outdated caveat... but back innaday, our rule was any cardio workout less than 90 minutes, your body was fine with the fuel on hand (in belly/reserves). After 90 mins, you needed to start providing fuel.

Once you become fat adapted you don't need any fuel for easy running. I have no issue running 20 milers without any fuel and fasted.

I've become fat. Does that count? eta: and I've adapted to being fat. winning?

"fat adapted"... no idea what that means.

From a nutrition standpoint it is explained pretty well here.

From a training view this has been posted many times in this thread:

Hadd's approach to distance training

I have been pretty good for a while on the slow running part of it, getting better on the diet part. Even when my diet was horrible I didn't need to fuel on longer runs when I followed the HR recommendations in the Hadd article.

 

[ChiefD]

good articles pbm. Thanks!

 

[AAABatteries]

Order a pair of these...

http://www.runningwarehouse.com/HOKA_ONE_ONE_Stinson_Lite/descpage-HOSLM2.html

BnB knows stuff. Commish, AAA, and any other runners who are a) needing to lose weight and/or b) tend to have knee pain running on pavement, you need to get yourself a pair of Hokas. I'm a fat, slow runner and Hokas have been my friend for the past several years. I've switched from "normal" cushioned shoes (Brooks Cascadia) to Hokas in the middle of a long run, and the difference in pounding you feel on the joints is amazing.

So get thee to the local running store to get fitted (and support the local shop), as there are several different models with slightly different fits. They're getting easier to find as their popularity grows, but their store finder should help.

Thanks to both of you. I did some research and went by the local running store and had them fit me. I felt bad because I ended up ordering off the runningwarehouse site but they wanted $150 for the model I wanted and runningwarehouse had them for $70. They felt fantastic - can't wait to get them and try them out.

I've continued with LOTS of walking and then mixing in some jogging. I'm still steadily losing - down to 217.

 

[AAABatteries]

Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.

You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before. My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.

I've never had the focus problem once I started - mine has been getting started and motivation. I'm basically starting over. 10 years ago I was working out like crazy - 3-4 hour bricks on Saturdays and two-a-days were the norm while I trained for a half IM. I did it and basically walked away from all of it. I proved to myself I could do it but I started hated my workouts - I burned myself out. This time I don't have the same big goals like I did. I've got 4 kids so I want to lose weight and be healthy so I'll be around and active with them. If I lose the weight and do some small races that will be good enough but I know I'll get the bug to do more and more so I have to be smarter this time and not burn myself out.

 

[gruecd]

I did some research and went by the local running store and had them fit me. I felt bad because I ended up ordering off the runningwarehouse site but they wanted $150 for the model I wanted and runningwarehouse had them for $70.

I really wanted to bite my tongue, but this isn't right. You can't go there and use their time and resources and then buy the shoes somewhere else. Not cool. At least buy the first pair from them and buy the rest online.ETA: I'm a Financial Advisor. I would be pissed if someone called and picked my brain for an hour for stock ideas and then went and bought the stocks on E*TRADE to avoid paying me a commission.

 

[AAABatteries]

I did some research and went by the local running store and had them fit me. I felt bad because I ended up ordering off the runningwarehouse site but they wanted $150 for the model I wanted and runningwarehouse had them for $70.

I really wanted to bite my tongue, but this isn't right. You can't go there and use their time and resources and then buy the shoes somewhere else. Not cool. At least buy the first pair from them and buy the rest online.ETA: I'm a Financial Advisor. I would be pissed if someone called and picked my brain for an hour for stock ideas and then went and bought the stocks on E*TRADE to avoid paying me a commission.

I hear you but I think I should have explained better. I was there for literally 5 minutes. I did all the research online and just went in to get fitted. When I saw the price I decided I had to buy online - if it had been closer in price I would have or if I spent a lot if time in the store. It was the only shoe I tried on. Still bad form?

 

[SFBayDuck]

I did some research and went by the local running store and had them fit me. I felt bad because I ended up ordering off the runningwarehouse site but they wanted $150 for the model I wanted and runningwarehouse had them for $70.

I really wanted to bite my tongue, but this isn't right. You can't go there and use their time and resources and then buy the shoes somewhere else. Not cool. At least buy the first pair from them and buy the rest online.ETA: I'm a Financial Advisor. I would be pissed if someone called and picked my brain for an hour for stock ideas and then went and bought the stocks on E*TRADE to avoid paying me a commission.

I hear you but I think I should have explained better. I was there for literally 5 minutes. I did all the research online and just went in to get fitted. When I saw the price I decided I had to buy online - if it had been closer in price I would have or if I spent a lot if time in the store. It was the only shoe I tried on. Still bad form?

We all have budgets and do what we have to do, but still bad form. Buy the first pair from the local shop, then shop away on line for a better deal after that. If it's a good local shop it's worth supporting for all they do for the local running community.

Now if you went to REI or Sports Authority that's a little different - I'm all about both the community aspect and the benefits of shopping local.

 

[AAABatteries]

I did some research and went by the local running store and had them fit me. I felt bad because I ended up ordering off the runningwarehouse site but they wanted $150 for the model I wanted and runningwarehouse had them for $70.

I really wanted to bite my tongue, but this isn't right. You can't go there and use their time and resources and then buy the shoes somewhere else. Not cool. At least buy the first pair from them and buy the rest online.ETA: I'm a Financial Advisor. I would be pissed if someone called and picked my brain for an hour for stock ideas and then went and bought the stocks on E*TRADE to avoid paying me a commission.

I hear you but I think I should have explained better. I was there for literally 5 minutes. I did all the research online and just went in to get fitted. When I saw the price I decided I had to buy online - if it had been closer in price I would have or if I spent a lot if time in the store. It was the only shoe I tried on. Still bad form?

We all have budgets and do what we have to do, but still bad form. Buy the first pair from the local shop, then shop away on line for a better deal after that. If it's a good local shop it's worth supporting for all they do for the local running community.

Now if you went to REI or Sports Authority that's a little different - I'm all about both the community aspect and the benefits of shopping local.

Thanks for the perspective. I guess I didn't feel like the 5 minutes was worth $80 but I definitely see what you are saying. It was the first time I had ever been in this store as I used the store finder you mentioned. Now I feel really bad. I'll swing by there and buy some gear from them.

 

[The Commish]

Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.

You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before. My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.

I've never had the focus problem once I started - mine has been getting started and motivation. I'm basically starting over. 10 years ago I was working out like crazy - 3-4 hour bricks on Saturdays and two-a-days were the norm while I trained for a half IM. I did it and basically walked away from all of it. I proved to myself I could do it but I started hated my workouts - I burned myself out. This time I don't have the same big goals like I did. I've got 4 kids so I want to lose weight and be healthy so I'll be around and active with them. If I lose the weight and do some small races that will be good enough but I know I'll get the bug to do more and more so I have to be smarter this time and not burn myself out.

We really aren't all that dissimilar GB. I know exactly how you feel and I have been through exactly what you've been through and quit for the exact same reasons, only I've never really given running a chance. I've committed to giving it a chance this time around and I've limited my working out to only during the week when the kids are in school. Before my plans would filter into my weekends so I get it. You've started. That's the hardest part. You'll figure it out as you go if it's what you want.

 

[Hang 10]

I get supporting your local running stores and I do but if they brought me over a pair of $150 running shoes I ain't buying them either. The fact that they are $80 cheaper online means they are probably trying to charge too much for last season's model.

 

[FUBAR]

I get supporting your local running stores and I do but if they brought me over a pair of $150 running shoes I ain't buying them either. The fact that they are $80 cheaper online means they are probably trying to charge too much for last season's model.

Yep. I'll support within reason.

rode 32km this morning, 1km easy, 1km hard. Really wanted to get a couple intervals at 40km but the best I reached was 38 (23.5 mph) for a few, about half at 37 (23mph) then the last 5 I barely reached 35 (21.7). Legs feel shredded right now.

 

[BassNBrew]

I did some research and went by the local running store and had them fit me. I felt bad because I ended up ordering off the runningwarehouse site but they wanted $150 for the model I wanted and runningwarehouse had them for $70.

I really wanted to bite my tongue, but this isn't right. You can't go there and use their time and resources and then buy the shoes somewhere else. Not cool. At least buy the first pair from them and buy the rest online.ETA: I'm a Financial Advisor. I would be pissed if someone called and picked my brain for an hour for stock ideas and then went and bought the stocks on E*TRADE to avoid paying me a commission.

There are plenty of people in his market with money to burn. 2x+ means they're likely selling last year's model at full price which isn't cool. Technically speaking I was the one who "sold him" on the shoes so I should be getting a piece of the action. Heck, he may never have entered that store if it wasn't for me.

I'm a real estate investment advisor and people pick my brain all the time and use the advice all the time to avoid paying me. I always figured that if you do good stuff for others it will come back to you two fold so I don't hesitate to give others advice or worry about it. I was pitching a guy yesterday at the courthouse without success. I still gave him a stamp at no cost so he wouldn't have to walk down the street to get one.

 

[BassNBrew]

Order a pair of these...

http://www.runningwarehouse.com/HOKA_ONE_ONE_Stinson_Lite/descpage-HOSLM2.html

BnB knows stuff. Commish, AAA, and any other runners who are a) needing to lose weight and/or b) tend to have knee pain running on pavement, you need to get yourself a pair of Hokas. I'm a fat, slow runner and Hokas have been my friend for the past several years. I've switched from "normal" cushioned shoes (Brooks Cascadia) to Hokas in the middle of a long run, and the difference in pounding you feel on the joints is amazing.

So get thee to the local running store to get fitted (and support the local shop), as there are several different models with slightly different fits. They're getting easier to find as their popularity grows, but their store finder should help.

Thanks to both of you. I did some research and went by the local running store and had them fit me. I felt bad because I ended up ordering off the runningwarehouse site but they wanted $150 for the model I wanted and runningwarehouse had them for $70. They felt fantastic - can't wait to get them and try them out.

I've continued with LOTS of walking and then mixing in some jogging. I'm still steadily losing - down to 217.

I hope they are the ticket to get you running outside and off the treadmill as it will make things much more enjoyable for you.

 

[AAABatteries]

Thanks Bass - just to clarify, I hate running on treadmills - Commish is the treadmill runner. I love being outside even in the heat.

Thanks again for the recommendation!

 

[AAABatteries]

To clarify a little more on the supporting local running stores - the shoes were last years model - Hoka Bondi 3. If I had been in there before I may have asked about the price difference to see if they'd work with me and maybe I should have but it seemed crazy to me to spend $80 more for helping me find the size that fit me.

 

[Hang 10]

Unless that fitting came with a happy ending, you did the right thing.

 

[BassNBrew]

Thanks Bass - just to clarify, I hate running on treadmills - Commish is the treadmill runner. I love being outside even in the heat.

Thanks again for the recommendation!

Opps…My bad. I thought he finally took the plunge.

I'd be lax if I didn't give props to Grue who I think was the first to post about the great prices at the running warehouse.