Your HR/pace ratio is absolutely amazing.Up and down week for me. Supposed to be a recovery week.
Mon: 4.99/7:54/123
Tues: 11.30/7:40/127
Wed: 5.00/7:53/122
Thur: 5.94 miles at track with 6 half mile intervals (half miles on a Garmin but a little short in reality like I posted about Thursday): 2:43, 2:42, 2:46, 2:45, 2:46, 2:44. I noticed Pfitz had 6 x 800 m in a recovery week in one of this schedules so I thought that would good to add for some speed. I have a mile race that I'm doing on Labor Day so it might also help for that. This was a great workout for me. I spend a little time searching past times and I think this is my best track session ever. Considering I've cut back on track stuff (this was the first time since early June), that's encouraging. And it shows you the benefits of volume!
Fri: 7.49/7:41/129
Sat: 15.03/7:48/137 Terrible run. Started out OK but about half way through I decided to get a CR on this stupid Strava segment by sprinting up a tenth of mile steep hill. I got the CR but my HR never went back to normal. Near the end I even slowed to try to get the HR back in zone but that didn't even work and I was laboring. Miles like 8:08/141, 8:13/139, 8:09/140. I'm not sure exactly why. Was it the hill sprint? Fatigue from Thursday? The heat (80 by the end but not very humid. I've mainly been running in the 60s this summer)? Dehydration? I guess probably a little of all these things.
Sun: 5.39/7:36/136 Heart rate high again! Drank a few beers last night and slept in so it was little warmer this morning (low 70s). That's probably why today.
55.12 miles for the week. I'll try to get in around 70 again next week. Onward and upward!
They sure did pick some hideous tattoos to make their point.Is strava supposed to only be used to compare ourselves? http://aboutboulder.com/blog/10-things-triathletes-do-that-piss-cyclists-off/
The downside of Strava, right there. Well, at least for you guys fast enough to actually go after and set CRs. I'm just tracking my own progress on the segments I run all time, so it's easiy to keep the goal of the run in mind.Sat: 15.03/7:48/137 Terrible run. Started out OK but about half way through I decided to get a CR on this stupid Strava segment by sprinting up a tenth of mile steep hill. I got the CR but my HR never went back to normal. Near the end I even slowed to try to get the HR back in zone but that didn't even work and I was laboring. Miles like 8:08/141, 8:13/139, 8:09/140. I'm not sure exactly why. Was it the hill sprint? Fatigue from Thursday? The heat (80 by the end but not very humid. I've mainly been running in the 60s this summer)? Dehydration? I guess probably a little of all these things.
I remember when Ned quit marathon running...
 I know exactly how gruecd feels.  I swear on all things holy that I'm done after Boston.
  I know exactly how gruecd feels.  I swear on all things holy that I'm done after Boston. Holy hell is it hilly up there.  Those were some of the biggest hills I've ever run.  Duck - I thought about you a few times as I'd look ahead and see nothing but mountain - you're flippin' insane...
   Holy hell is it hilly up there.  Those were some of the biggest hills I've ever run.  Duck - I thought about you a few times as I'd look ahead and see nothing but mountain - you're flippin' insane... 
 Not boring at all Ned, great read...congrats!Well, I'm back from the world championships. I ran a whopping 6mi, and that wasn't until yesterday!Holy hell is it hilly up there. Those were some of the biggest hills I've ever run. Duck - I thought about you a few times as I'd look ahead and see nothing but mountain - you're flippin' insane...
tl;dr version (I'm sure most of the details are boring to people that don't shoot) - I had a phenomenal experience. Between the group of guys I went with to the pairings I had during the tournament - it was one of the best experiences of my life. I was actually a little choked up when we packed it up and left. I just didn't want things to end. Lots of shenanigans, awesome food, beer, and so much laughing I thought I threw my back out at times. I ended up 35th out of 138 in the men's open amateur class - very happy with that given my lack of experience.
Long Story....
This was the world championships for 3D archery. This is my first year shooting this game (Worlds was only the 6th tournament I've shot in this format). I'm at a severe experience disadvantage - this is all about knowing how to adapt to all of the variables that they can throw at you.
3D is all 3D foam animals like this where the target is set at an unknown distance in the woods, fields, etc. The targets vary by size from a small javelina to a huge elk. Each class has a different max yardage - the class I shot was the top amateur class with a 50yd max. Same as the pros, but the shots aren't quite as hard as they set for the pros.
The scoring rings etched in the target are scored as 11, 10, 8 and the rest of the body is a 5 (example pic). You only shoot 1 arrow per target. Each day you shoot 20 targets with 'par' being 200. The 11 ring is a bonus ring to give shooters a chance to make up ground. Anything around par after the 2 days of shooting will usually put you into the Sunday shootoff where the top 5 scores plus all ties goes into a head to head shootoff for the championship.
Being able to judge the distance on one of these targets to within 1-1.5 yards is the hardest part of the game. There are a ton of different variables that change how far a target looks. It just takes lots of experience to learn them all. You then have to factor in the trajectory of your shot, wind, elevation, etc before setting your sights. It's cliche, but its very similar to what you see those snipers doing with all their adjustments.
We got to the shoot early so we could practice for a couple of days. This was a big boost for me since I've not 'seen' as much as everyone else. The more I could get on targets, the better off I'd be. We spent all day Wednesday and Thursday up on the practice ranges. It was a blast and a big help so I could get used to things.
The shoot was at a huge ski resort - the terrain was incredible; I think I heard someone say they were on 66,000 acres. For this flatlander, I was a bit out of my league shooting off the sides of the mountains. The setup is very similar to golf - you're randomly paired up with 3 other guys and shoot with them at a specific 'tee time'. I was fortunate to be paired up with a great group of guys.
Each class shoots the same 2 ranges to ensure everyone is on an even playing field (20 total different ranges!). We shot the K range on Friday at 9:30 and the N range on Saturday at 11:30. Both of our ranges were on the top of one of the mountains, so we had to ride the ski lift up to the ranges. That was a cool experience carrying all of your gear onto the lift.
I've shot a few national tournaments now, and nerves were always a problem for me. This time, I wasn't terribly nervous....until I stepped up to the first stake on Friday. There were photographers there taking pics and the first shot was a friggin doozy. I had a huge adrenaline dump and really struggled on the first 2 shots - I shot an 8 and a 5. Being "7 down" from par after 2 targets was really disappointing, but I was able to regroup on target 3 and drilled an 11. That cooled me down and I went on to shoot 6 down the rest of the way. 187 was a respectable score, but I felt like I left some points out there.
Saturday I hit the practice range early before my tee time and I was on fire. I shot +6 over 14 targets and was stroking it (like when you're crunching drives straight down the middle in golf). That carried over well to the real range, which was a ball buster course - much more difficult than Friday's course. I felt great and was making great shots - I just struggled with some of the yardage judging. Some of these sets were things I'd just never seen before. Every shot was on the side of the mountain; one target going up, next target going back down. Rinse/repeat. I ended up with another 187, which I was thrilled with given the harder course. I checked the scores for that range - that was a top 10 score.
I ended up 35th out of 138 in the men's open class. Overall I'm thrilled with how I shot and learned a ton of lessons for next year. This was the best shooting performance I've had at a big national/world event. Once I get the yardage judging down, I think I can make some noise in this format. I can't wait until next year.
Joined this - I'm the slow Canadian. Officially targeting Toronto waterfront 1/2 marathon (Oct 18) as my first official long run.Join the FFA group that Sand created - we'll all find you through there.https://www.strava.com/clubs/TeamFFAOk, I'm on strava. I'd love to follow those on there, so please pm me to link up.
 
  Had a bad feeling about this run as soon as I stepped out to grab the paper at 5am. The air was suffocating: the kind that just takes it away as soon as you step into it. The plan was 17 miles on this day. Made it 11 before the wheels started falling off. Ran/Walked the rest of the way home. I was running slow at mile 11: but my HR was in the high 160's and some 170's. At this point I knew I had to slow my HR down or I'd be lying down on the side of the road. Walked a bit to try and calm the HR down, and it took about a mile to even get to the low 150's. Finally got it to the mid 140's and started to run again. But could make it about .5 mile before my body was done. Rinse/repeat the rest of the way home. Body was done. Drained. Took a good bit of the day to feel ok, and still don't feel quite right today.
  Had a bad feeling about this run as soon as I stepped out to grab the paper at 5am. The air was suffocating: the kind that just takes it away as soon as you step into it. The plan was 17 miles on this day. Made it 11 before the wheels started falling off. Ran/Walked the rest of the way home. I was running slow at mile 11: but my HR was in the high 160's and some 170's. At this point I knew I had to slow my HR down or I'd be lying down on the side of the road. Walked a bit to try and calm the HR down, and it took about a mile to even get to the low 150's. Finally got it to the mid 140's and started to run again. But could make it about .5 mile before my body was done. Rinse/repeat the rest of the way home. Body was done. Drained. Took a good bit of the day to feel ok, and still don't feel quite right today.Hazy at the beginning, but full sun the last 4 miles or so. Had some shade along the sidewalk, but not enough to help much.ChiefD - Don't let the heat/humidity fool you. 154 is no joke, let alone that was the SI when you started!! Was it sunny too? Spending 3 hours in that mess is going to be friggin' rough on everyone.
yep. you were smart about it. but it will still be a huge drain.ChiefD - Don't let the heat/humidity fool you. 154 is no joke, let alone that was the SI when you started!! Was it sunny too? Spending 3 hours in that mess is going to be friggin' rough on everyone.
I second this, for the past week or so I have been running with around 140-150 SI in the afternoon. This morning I had a meeting at 8AM so I had to head out the door by 6:30. It was about 60 degrees out and I cruised along at around 15-20s/mi faster than I have been running the past few afternoons.ChiefD - Don't let the heat/humidity fool you. 154 is no joke, let alone that was the SI when you started!! Was it sunny too? Spending 3 hours in that mess is going to be friggin' rough on everyone.
I'm just under-recoveredNed I think you are making the right decision, 75-80 miles should be fine. You might need a new signature as you may be experiencing over-training. My opinion is that you were working to a very aggressive training schedule without having the base to support it, in fact out of everyone in this thread only Steve has the base to support what you were trying to do. I don’t think attempting this training during the summer did you any favors either, but we all know why you picked a Sept marathon.
Don’t get me wrong I think running more miles is the best way to improve marathon performance, but everyone has their limit. That limit can change over time.
 
 Juxtatarot said:Ned - I knew something was up when I logged into Strava and didn't see a run for you this morning! You should do what you want to do, of course, but it seems odd to me not to push through with only two weeks before taper. I'm concerned that this will mess with you mentally during the race. (Assuming the race is still important to you.)
 It stormed all morning - I'm sitting here in running gear waiting to get a conference call over with so I can go do 12.
  It stormed all morning - I'm sitting here in running gear waiting to get a conference call over with so I can go do 12.You captured that post for the minute before I deleted it! After reading your response to pbm, I got the impression it was an over-training issue but now I'm confused again. "Needing balance" shouldn't be an epiphany two weeks before a taper!Juxtatarot said:Ned - I knew something was up when I logged into Strava and didn't see a run for you this morning! You should do what you want to do, of course, but it seems odd to me not to push through with only two weeks before taper. I'm concerned that this will mess with you mentally during the race. (Assuming the race is still important to you.)It stormed all morning - I'm sitting here in running gear waiting to get a conference call over with so I can go do 12.
I'm not jumping off a cliff; just realized how obsessed I got. I need more balance.
You'll be fine. Just stay healthy and the BQ-5 is as good as yours.Along similar lines as gruecd, I realized during Worlds that I'm bordering on an unhealthy obsession with running. The short time away from running gave me an opportunity to take a step back and see just how obsessive I was about getting mileage in.
I'm tired and think I'm pushing the envelope with this training cycle. With 5 weeks to go until my marathon, I'm going to tap the breaks a bit. I've got little desire to follow the schedule I mapped out to where I hit the 90s for the next two weeks - I'm scaling that back to the 75-80 range for 2 weeks before tapering.
Click the wrench icon.Is there a way to delete an activity from Strava? I accidentally started a second one on my TomTom after my run was over this morning, want to nuke the 0 mile entry.
Look at the wild fluctuations in the beginning. That's just garbage data. That happened to me frequently before I ditched the chest strap.Maybe this over training is contagious? Actually, I'm not positive I'm over training but I've experienced a weird heart rate spike at the beginning of my runs lately. I'll basically go from 70 to 150-170 with in the first quarter mile. My heart rate then settles back down to the low 140's by the start of the 2nd mile. I don't think it's a monitor issue either. It feels like I'm working harder than I should be.
The last time I experienced this kinda thing was right after my ablation surgery. Back then I came to the conclusion that it was caffeine related. So I cut out coffee before my morning run and it pretty much went away.
The only thing I can say I'm doing different now is taking in 2400mg of ibuprofen a day for some inflammation in my foot. Supposed to back off that in a couple of days.
Anyone experience anything similar?
I hope you're right but it feel like more than just junk data. Obviously, I'm a little more sensitive to any funny heart fluctuations than most here because of my recent history. Gives me effing anxiety.Look at the wild fluctuations in the beginning. That's just garbage data. That happened to me frequently before I ditched the chest strap.Maybe this over training is contagious? Actually, I'm not positive I'm over training but I've experienced a weird heart rate spike at the beginning of my runs lately. I'll basically go from 70 to 150-170 with in the first quarter mile. My heart rate then settles back down to the low 140's by the start of the 2nd mile. I don't think it's a monitor issue either. It feels like I'm working harder than I should be.
The last time I experienced this kinda thing was right after my ablation surgery. Back then I came to the conclusion that it was caffeine related. So I cut out coffee before my morning run and it pretty much went away.
The only thing I can say I'm doing different now is taking in 2400mg of ibuprofen a day for some inflammation in my foot. Supposed to back off that in a couple of days.
Anyone experience anything similar?
I also feel like I'm working harder the first few miles before I'm fully warmed up and loose.
Understandable. And, of course, I'm just giving my unqualified opinion based on my past experiences. Aren't you getting a new monitor?I hope you're right but it feel like more than just junk data. Obviously, I'm a little more sensitive to any funny heart fluctuations than most here because of my recent history. Gives me effing anxiety.Look at the wild fluctuations in the beginning. That's just garbage data. That happened to me frequently before I ditched the chest strap.Maybe this over training is contagious? Actually, I'm not positive I'm over training but I've experienced a weird heart rate spike at the beginning of my runs lately. I'll basically go from 70 to 150-170 with in the first quarter mile. My heart rate then settles back down to the low 140's by the start of the 2nd mile. I don't think it's a monitor issue either. It feels like I'm working harder than I should be.
The last time I experienced this kinda thing was right after my ablation surgery. Back then I came to the conclusion that it was caffeine related. So I cut out coffee before my morning run and it pretty much went away.
The only thing I can say I'm doing different now is taking in 2400mg of ibuprofen a day for some inflammation in my foot. Supposed to back off that in a couple of days.
Anyone experience anything similar?
I also feel like I'm working harder the first few miles before I'm fully warmed up and loose.
Actually, this is data from the new monitor. The first run when fine with no issues but the last 3 have had the hiccups. I guess it is possible that could be the issue. Maybe I should try the old chest strap tomorrow and see if it's an issue. It's so much more comfortable though.Understandable. And, of course, I'm just giving my unqualified opinion based on my past experiences. Aren't you getting a new monitor?I hope you're right but it feel like more than just junk data. Obviously, I'm a little more sensitive to any funny heart fluctuations than most here because of my recent history. Gives me effing anxiety.Look at the wild fluctuations in the beginning. That's just garbage data. That happened to me frequently before I ditched the chest strap.Maybe this over training is contagious? Actually, I'm not positive I'm over training but I've experienced a weird heart rate spike at the beginning of my runs lately. I'll basically go from 70 to 150-170 with in the first quarter mile. My heart rate then settles back down to the low 140's by the start of the 2nd mile. I don't think it's a monitor issue either. It feels like I'm working harder than I should be.
The last time I experienced this kinda thing was right after my ablation surgery. Back then I came to the conclusion that it was caffeine related. So I cut out coffee before my morning run and it pretty much went away.
The only thing I can say I'm doing different now is taking in 2400mg of ibuprofen a day for some inflammation in my foot. Supposed to back off that in a couple of days.
Anyone experience anything similar?
I also feel like I'm working harder the first few miles before I'm fully warmed up and loose.
Weird you mention this, I could have written this exact description about my last couple of runs. If you're on Strava check it out. Start in low 60s, warmup mile spikes into 170s then it plummets and levels off for the duration even though I pick up the pace. I wrote it off as an equipment issue. While I never feel good the first mile of any run I don't think its actually that high.Maybe this over training is contagious? Actually, I'm not positive I'm over training but I've experienced a weird heart rate spike at the beginning of my runs lately. I'll basically go from 70 to 150-170 with in the first quarter mile. My heart rate then settles back down to the low 140's by the start of the 2nd mile. I don't think it's a monitor issue either. It feels like I'm working harder than I should be.
The last time I experienced this kinda thing was right after my ablation surgery. Back then I came to the conclusion that it was caffeine related. So I cut out coffee before my morning run and it pretty much went away.
The only thing I can say I'm doing different now is taking in 2400mg of ibuprofen a day for some inflammation in my foot. Supposed to back off that in a couple of days.
Anyone experience anything similar?
Wow, that is crazy. Yeah, I just looked and it's eerily similar. It doesn't really make me feel any better since you've had the same problems with heart arrhythmias as me!Weird you mention this, I could have written this exact description about my last couple of runs. If you're on Strava check it out. Start in low 60s, warmup mile spikes into 170s then it plummets and levels off for the duration even though I pick up the pace. I wrote it off as an equipment issue. While I never feel good the first mile of any run I don't think its actually that high.Maybe this over training is contagious? Actually, I'm not positive I'm over training but I've experienced a weird heart rate spike at the beginning of my runs lately. I'll basically go from 70 to 150-170 with in the first quarter mile. My heart rate then settles back down to the low 140's by the start of the 2nd mile. I don't think it's a monitor issue either. It feels like I'm working harder than I should be.
The last time I experienced this kinda thing was right after my ablation surgery. Back then I came to the conclusion that it was caffeine related. So I cut out coffee before my morning run and it pretty much went away.
The only thing I can say I'm doing different now is taking in 2400mg of ibuprofen a day for some inflammation in my foot. Supposed to back off that in a couple of days.
Anyone experience anything similar?
 
 MAC_32 said:Sounds like a lot of us are hitting the late Summer wall.
Patience, fellas. Optimal running conditions will be here soon.
 seriously guys, mix in some cycling, swimming, paddle board, surfing, racquetball, whatever.  If you're not within a month or two of a major event, mix it up.
   seriously guys, mix in some cycling, swimming, paddle board, surfing, racquetball, whatever.  If you're not within a month or two of a major event, mix it up.Sprint intervals?it's been a fun last 30 minutes.
- registered for the IM CHOO 70.3
- Told my wife we can start working on kid #5
it's a marathon - well, once they're here that is.Sprint intervals?it's been a fun last 30 minutes.
- registered for the IM CHOO 70.3
- Told my wife we can start working on kid #5
2min Family Fun RunSprint intervals?it's been a fun last 30 minutes.
- registered for the IM CHOO 70.3
- Told my wife we can start working on kid #5
Rumor is that FUBAR's a Clydesdale.2min Family Fun RunSprint intervals?it's been a fun last 30 minutes.
- registered for the IM CHOO 70.3
- Told my wife we can start working on kid #5
