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Here's the rundown from yesterday's visit with the surgeon...

Three distinct issues in left knee:

1. complete root tear of meniscus, which in is the medical equivalent of having no meniscus at all. It's not doing anything but getting in the way.

2. section of cartilage is missing in area of root tear.

3. cartilage tear under patella

Options;

1. Do nothing surgically. I Can't run but I'm feeling pretty good lately. I could get another cortisone shot in a couple of months to keep me going. I could continue with weight training and cycling to strengthen muscles around the knee which could improve things further. Downside is that without a functioning meniscus and the cartilage problems arthritis will accelerate.

2. Get the surgery. At a minimum the cartilage tear is an easy fix and he can cut out the part of the meniscus that is causing my knee to catch/swell. Quick (2 week) recovery for that. Best case is he finds the root tear is repairable (he thinks 80% chance) and a 5 - 6 month recovery would follow, with the first 6 - 8 weeks imobilized/crutches. Chance of it being successful long term if he dose repair it is 75%. 

Even if the meniscus tear is successful he thinks a 2nd surgery where he would reshape/shave some bone in my knee and/or insert some test tube-grown cartilage to replace what's missing will be necessary in the fall for the best possible long term outcome.

Lots to consider but I'm pretty sure I'll go for the surgery end of Feb so I'll be somewhat mobile for the summer months but not on crutches during the bulk of winter. Nervous about the long road but excited to have a shot at getting back to normal. 

 
You have some answers Nigel, so that's a good start. And yeah, I think I would be all over that surgery. Good luck with whatever you decide. :thumbup:

 
Nigel said:
Here's the rundown from yesterday's visit with the surgeon...

Three distinct issues in left knee:

1. complete root tear of meniscus, which in is the medical equivalent of having no meniscus at all. It's not doing anything but getting in the way.

2. section of cartilage is missing in area of root tear.

3. cartilage tear under patella

Options;

1. Do nothing surgically. I Can't run but I'm feeling pretty good lately. I could get another cortisone shot in a couple of months to keep me going. I could continue with weight training and cycling to strengthen muscles around the knee which could improve things further. Downside is that without a functioning meniscus and the cartilage problems arthritis will accelerate.

2. Get the surgery. At a minimum the cartilage tear is an easy fix and he can cut out the part of the meniscus that is causing my knee to catch/swell. Quick (2 week) recovery for that. Best case is he finds the root tear is repairable (he thinks 80% chance) and a 5 - 6 month recovery would follow, with the first 6 - 8 weeks imobilized/crutches. Chance of it being successful long term if he dose repair it is 75%. 

Even if the meniscus tear is successful he thinks a 2nd surgery where he would reshape/shave some bone in my knee and/or insert some test tube-grown cartilage to replace what's missing will be necessary in the fall for the best possible long term outcome.

Lots to consider but I'm pretty sure I'll go for the surgery end of Feb so I'll be somewhat mobile for the summer months but not on crutches during the bulk of winter. Nervous about the long road but excited to have a shot at getting back to normal. 
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Hoping for the best Nigel.  GL!

 
Nigel said:
Here's the rundown from yesterday's visit with the surgeon...

Three distinct issues in left knee:

1. complete root tear of meniscus, which in is the medical equivalent of having no meniscus at all. It's not doing anything but getting in the way.

2. section of cartilage is missing in area of root tear.

3. cartilage tear under patella

Options;

1. Do nothing surgically. I Can't run but I'm feeling pretty good lately. I could get another cortisone shot in a couple of months to keep me going. I could continue with weight training and cycling to strengthen muscles around the knee which could improve things further. Downside is that without a functioning meniscus and the cartilage problems arthritis will accelerate.

2. Get the surgery. At a minimum the cartilage tear is an easy fix and he can cut out the part of the meniscus that is causing my knee to catch/swell. Quick (2 week) recovery for that. Best case is he finds the root tear is repairable (he thinks 80% chance) and a 5 - 6 month recovery would follow, with the first 6 - 8 weeks imobilized/crutches. Chance of it being successful long term if he dose repair it is 75%. 

Even if the meniscus tear is successful he thinks a 2nd surgery where he would reshape/shave some bone in my knee and/or insert some test tube-grown cartilage to replace what's missing will be necessary in the fall for the best possible long term outcome.

Lots to consider but I'm pretty sure I'll go for the surgery end of Feb so I'll be somewhat mobile for the summer months but not on crutches during the bulk of winter. Nervous about the long road but excited to have a shot at getting back to normal. 
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I'm usually anti surgery, but getting the surgery sounds like a good option.  Fingers crossed for you, GB.

 
SteelCurtain said:
I know nothing about treadmills.  However, Consumer Reports (or maybe it was the January issue of Runner's World) just did a review of them in the last couple months.  If you check at a local library, they may have old issues.  If I find mine, I'll DM you and can send you the reviews.
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Found the issue of Runner's World.  I'm happy to scan and email the article to you.  Just DM me your email address if interested.

They had one treadmill that was nearly $9,000!  :loco:            Thankfully, most are much cheaper.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Of more immediate interest, I switched careers from being "just" a professor to 100% administration last year.  That means no more running at 9 or 10 in the morning except as a rare outlier.  
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Ah, the oddity of academia ...when you get really good at what you do, they promote you into administration.  Now that I've finally got the flexibility of being a professor, not sure that I could go back (and at my age, I shouldn't have to).  Hopefully it works out well for you, but that's too bad about losing the opportunities for not-so-early morning runs!

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Nigel, best wishes to you in making that tough decision.  I'm still unsure if I'll ultimately face a surgery solution to my bone spur.

 
The more I looked into it the decision got easier. If I don't get the surgery I'll likely need a knee replacement at much too young an age. Have an apt set for 2/24. 

 
Nigel said:
The more I looked into it the decision got easier. If I don't get the surgery I'll likely need a knee replacement at much too young an age. Have an apt set for 2/24. 
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Good call.   Hoping everything goes smoothly and we see you out on the roads sooner rather than later. 

 
Nigel said:
The more I looked into it the decision got easier. If I don't get the surgery I'll likely need a knee replacement at much too young an age. Have an apt set for 2/24. 
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See what kind of pool work you can do while in rehab.  I managed to get a lot of very low stress exercise in the pool done when I had my knee ripped apart and rebuilt.

 
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I am free!  :headbang:

Last day at work today for the job that ate me alive for the last 3 years. An anchor lifted off my shoulders as I walked out that door, and amazingly have had no stomach pain for the last week. 

New job starts next Wednesday. Had a couple of good runs this week. Things are looking up.  :thumbup:

 
#### you congress.

The recently passed national defense authorization bill essentially means I am not eligible for the job I had an offer pending, for 6 months after retirement.  The powers that be aren't sure it applies to me but there is now a pause across all of DOD. :angry:

So I'm applying for other jobs.  #### this. 

Sorry - venting here because it's a safe place. 

 
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Dang, what a contrast in back to back posts from Chief & FUBAR...

congrats Chief!  :thumbup:  Damn jealous, I'm in constant denial but I'm pretty much in that spot you're fleeing.

and damn FUBAR good luck, hopefully you're exempt. If not you're a bad ###, just show up with your #### someplace you want to work and tell them you're starting immediately. I like you're chances. 

 
Nigel said:
Dang, what a contrast in back to back posts from Chief & FUBAR...

congrats Chief!  :thumbup:  Damn jealous, I'm in constant denial but I'm pretty much in that spot you're fleeing.

and damn FUBAR good luck, hopefully you're exempt. If not you're a bad ###, just show up with your #### someplace you want to work and tell them you're starting immediately. I like you're chances. 
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This. On both counts. 

 
Oh man, I've dry-heaved in 5Ks and puked a little bit at the end of one or two but never a full on stomach-emptier like at the end of my ride this morning. I had the blue tooth earbuds in so couldn't hear her calling downstairs asking if I was ok...so she ran downstairs to find me still clipped in and pedaling with a trash can I was able to reach and grab between my knees..."what the #### are you doing?" she asked. I really had no good answer.  :shrug:

 
MattFancy said:
What do you guys typically wear when running outside this time of the year and what temps and how long do you run for?
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I will run down to about 0 degrees. My standard gear is:

Under Armour compression shorts under winter running pants. Compression long sleeved shirt. If it's really cold I will add another dryfit shirt over that. Then a running jacket - think it's Under Armour. Then gloves and a hat with mask.

Works under almost all conditions.

 
Nigel said:
Oh man, I've dry-heaved in 5Ks and puked a little bit at the end of one or two but never a full on stomach-emptier like at the end of my ride this morning. I had the blue tooth earbuds in so couldn't hear her calling downstairs asking if I was ok...so she ran downstairs to find me still clipped in and pedaling with a trash can I was able to reach and grab between my knees..."what the #### are you doing?" she asked. I really had no good answer.  :shrug:
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Oh hell yeah. :hifive:

 
MattFancy said:
What do you guys typically wear when running outside this time of the year and what temps and how long do you run for?
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That's going to come down to personal preference, but Runner's World suggestion of dressing for 20 degrees warmer than the current temp is pretty solid advice.

We don't really see much below 20 here, but I'll start to layer up when it's 20-30 degrees with a long sleeve tech shirt and a wind breaker vest (Salomon).  Protecting your extremities are the biggest keys, IMO.  I wear knit gloves any time it drops below 40.

I never wear pants.  #schwing

 
Cool thanks guys! Once it gets colder here in MD, I had been a wuss and would just run on a treadmill. But this year, I'm gonna try and take my talents outside haha. I hate being cold, so just wanted to see what everyone else wears in the cold.

 
MattFancy said:
Cool thanks guys! Once it gets colder here in MD, I had been a wuss and would just run on a treadmill. But this year, I'm gonna try and take my talents outside haha. I hate being cold, so just wanted to see what everyone else wears in the cold.
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Honestly, it's the first 1/2 mile that pisses you off. After that you are good and warmed up.

 
ChiefD said:
Honestly, it's the first 1/2 mile that pisses you off. After that you are good and warmed up.
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:goodposting:

I thought I was going to regret my choice of clothing last night for 12 degrees, steady snow, and some wind but I was fine after the first 5 minutes.  Would have done more than 45 minutes, but it was getting dark and I could tell cars were struggling on the roads due to all the snow.

 
I might have mentioned it in what pbm linked to, but once it gets below freezing I think the wind is a bigger ##### than the temp's.  

 
One thing not mentioned..... You are going to need a #### sock.  There's nothing worse then when mini me gets frozen.

 
MAC_32 said:
I might have mentioned it in what pbm linked to, but once it gets below freezing I think the wind is a bigger ##### than the temp's.  
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Love the wind.  Love it.   I already told my cold/wind/running story - you guys are missing out not embracing this stuff.

Forgot to mention - did hit a milestone right before Christmas.  Rolled the odometer on my bike over 10k miles.  Took about 3 years to get there.  

 
Ned said:
One thing not mentioned..... You are going to need a #### sock.  There's nothing worse then when mini me gets frozen.
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:goodposting:

besides my hands the tip of my #### was always the thing that froze first during winter runs. 

 
Ned said:
One thing not mentioned..... You are going to need a #### sock.  There's nothing worse then when mini me gets frozen.
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inspiration for the next Samberg / Timberlake video?

Icy surfaces and lack of sun are the worst things for me in winter.  Those and icy ####. 

Dressng for warmth is pretty easy.  I'll break out balaclava below 10 F.  Hat and light gloves are fine for the rest.

 
 no pants.  I have recently started wearing tights but those are mostly compression, not for warmth.  20 degrees, bib 166 (my original link forced a download)

Ned said:
One thing not mentioned..... You are going to need a #### sock.  There's nothing worse then when mini me gets frozen.
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That's all you need. 

 
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Brony said:
Icy surfaces and lack of sun are the worst things for me in winter.  
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Big fan of the icy surfaces.  A little risky?  Absolutely, but once I learned how to run on them I think all of my running has benefited.  Form has become naturally tighter, balance is improved, more muscle usage has increased strength in critical areas...overall, I think running on it is a big reason (knock on wood) I've stayed healthier recently.  Plus once you've adapted to running on the ice nothing feels miserable anymore.  Except running after 4 days of binge eating/drinking over Christmas.  That's always miserable.

 
MAC_32 said:
Big fan of the icy surfaces.  A little risky?  Absolutely, but once I learned how to run on them I think all of my running has benefited.  Form has become naturally tighter, balance is improved, more muscle usage has increased strength in critical areas...overall, I think running on it is a big reason (knock on wood) I've stayed healthier recently.  Plus once you've adapted to running on the ice nothing feels miserable anymore.  Except running after 4 days of binge eating/drinking over Christmas.  That's always miserable.
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I still don't know about the ice but this translates to trail running too.  

 
FUBAR said:
I still don't know about the ice but this translates to trail running too.  
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Absolutely.  When I was doing my year-end review I noted the stretch from late Dec-mid Feb in which the majority of my runs were done on either ice or snow covered trails.  Then all of a sudden when everything melted I was significantly faster, almost immediately.  There were other factors at play, but forcing myself through 6-7 weeks of that stuff definitely played a huge role.

 
MattFancy said:
What do you guys typically wear when running outside this time of the year and what temps and how long do you run for?
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went out on Wednesday after the kids went to bed

was somewhere between -15 and -25 depending on the wind gust, apparently.

i wore:

1 pair thick dri-fit socks

1 pair line tights

1 pair C9 pants

1 pair New Balance wind-breaker pants

3 long sleeve shirts

1 jacket

1 headband

2 balaclava (1 thin, one thicker over the top that i could remove if need be)

2 pair gloves (1 pair regular running gloves, 1 pair thick winter gloves)

was warm throughout. ran about 4 miles before i called it. all those clothes really limit the flexibility and the cold air makes it harder overall. probably would have kept going but it was past 9 PM and i wanted to be home.

 
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