Ran a 10k - Official Thread (12 Viewers)

[AAABatteries]

Dude. With all due respect. You come in here all Jimmy La-di-da, luring us into this false sense of security that you are easing into this. And then you pull out this 20 mile bullcrap outta your Energizer Bunny butthole.

Jesus man, you did 20 miles today. We don’t care how you got there but that is some bad-### sheeeeeit.

On the CHUBB scale that is like banging Sophia Loren in her prime followed by Kate Upton allowing to play helicopter pilot on her major assets.

Thanks, I appreciate it.  This thread is fantastic like others have been saying - motivating, funny, challenging, encouraging.  You see guys go out daily and do 6, 8, 15 miles and it motivates me to do better.  But I'm not wired like most of you guys - if I had to go out and do 10 miles on pavement every day I imagine I would eventually quit.  Since I've been feeling good enough to start running again somewhere around 90% of my runs have been trails - and there's absolutely nothing wrong with either approach.  None of us will ever run like Steve, most of us will never run like Mac or Duck.  And that is probably what makes this little community even better - the diversity of work we are putting in - different cities, different climates, different goals, different CHUBB ratings.  Go get some gentleman.

 

[gianmarco]

Any @BassNBrew updates? 

 

[SFBayDuck]

Any @BassNBrew updates? 

The last update on the RaceJoy app was at mile 71, and the tracking website has him marked as DNF still....and with the race now over that’s probably not a good sign.  

 

[BassNBrew]

The last update on the RaceJoy app was at mile 71, and the tracking website has him marked as DNF still....and with the race now over that’s probably not a good sign.  

Phone died at 71 then I died at mile 88 missing the cutoff.  Big fail.  Never could get back the time I lost yesterday and get it to hold.  

Thanks for following Duck.  Racejoy ap was interesting.  What they failed to mention was it would go wonky or those following when you lost cell service.  Also is a major battery drain.  My electronics got behind on juice and I could never catch them up.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Oh man, sorry to hear that gb. You seemed to be tracking ok, with your “projected finishing time” in the app slipping as the race went on, but it was still at 28:35 at mile 71. I had you pegged for a 29:55 finish by the time it was all said and done. 

 

[ChiefD]

Sorry to hear Bass. But dang you made it 88 miles.

Still rather amazing. 

 

[-OZ-]

Phone died at 71 then I died at mile 88 missing the cutoff.  Big fail.  Never could get back the time I lost yesterday and get it to hold.  

Thanks for following Duck.  Racejoy ap was interesting.  What they failed to mention was it would go wonky or those following when you lost cell service.  Also is a major battery drain.  My electronics got behind on juice and I could never catch them up.

88 miles isn't a fail.  I get your feelings, sympathize, but that's still really awe inspiring.  

 

[AAABatteries]

88 miles isn't a fail.  I get your feelings, sympathize, but that's still really awe inspiring.  

All of this

 

[BassNBrew]

88 miles isn't a fail.  I get your feelings, sympathize, but that's still really awe inspiring.  

Thanks but it really is. You don’t run 450 miles at Indy and call it a success 

 

[D_House]

@BassNBrew, you may consider your performance a failure but it is absolutely amazing that you ran 88 miles. And it serves as a reminder to all here with much less ambitious goals what our bodies have the potential to do. I hope to hear more details about the event, particularly on the mental side of things (obviously when you get a chance, enjoy your rest).

 

[ChiefD]

Thanks but it really is. You don’t run 450 miles at Indy and call it a success 

As you know, we all understand this and agree 100%

 

[tri-man 47]

 BMF effort.

 

[bushdocda]

Speedy recovery, BnB. 

 

[BassNBrew]

 BMF effort.

BMF effort is cleaning up medals in everything like you do or properly executing a race plan. This was a learning effort

 

[BassNBrew]

Speedy recovery, BnB. 

Thanks.  Quads did me. Couldn’t run anything because they would seize at random on a frequent basis. Was reduced to 3 to 4 inch steps on any downhill. I think I had a 50 min mile at the end  usually I put some downhill running in my training but with 6-8 week training window I didn’t want to lose training time to recover from that type of workout 

otherwise I seem pretty unscathed. Ankle didn’t swell for the first time ever. Back was the best it’s been in some time. Fewest blisters and feet issues ever

 

[The Iguana]

Thanks but it really is. You don’t run 450 miles at Indy and call it a success 

By that definition, the only successful race is winning it outright and we all know that's not true. As one who recently was less than thrilled even though I set a PR in a HM, I totally get where you are coming from. You can be less than happy with the results and still celebrate the accomplishment, IMO. Be unhappy with the result, use it to fuel the next effort and learn what you can from this one. But don't forget that what you did do is still pretty stinking stout!

 

[gruecd]

Thanks but it really is. You don’t run 450 miles at Indy and call it a success 

I get it, brother. Everybody means well, but when I have a ####ty race, the last thing I need/want is somebody blowing smoke up my ###. When I fail to meet a goal, I just need to wallow for a while. Heal up, figure out what went wrong, and kick ### next time.

 

[gianmarco]

Well, I always struggle here in trying to respond to any of you guys that have a disappointing result. Especially you guys that are super talented and are capable of awesome things.

1) I can just say nothing. But I hate that because I want to at least acknowledge that I'm following along and wishing you the best and understand that it sucked but I'm still impressed.

2) I can be honest. But somehow telling @BassNBrew that it was a nice effort but he really should have just planned better and finished those last 12 miles instead of dropping out also doesn't quite sit right.

3) I can say it was an awesome effort, I'm in awe, even while understanding it's a disappointment for him.

It may seem like blowing smoke, but it's just a way to acknowledge the effort and that we are here following along and rooting for you, success or failure.

I know everyone knows this, but just my way of saying I know it sucked but I'm still in ridiculous awe. I can't wait until you come back and crush the next one.

 

[Ned]

I get it, brother. Everybody means well, but when I have a ####ty race, the last thing I need/want is somebody blowing smoke up my ###. When I fail to meet a goal, I just need to wallow for a while. Heal up, figure out what went wrong, and kick ### next time.

One man’s failure is another man’s dream.  

BnB’s 88mi failure is unfathomable to me, which I think is the source of the “smoke” most of the time.  Most giving him the pat on the back are truly amazed that he even covered those 88mi and have a hard time processing that as a failure. 

Sorry you sucked BnB. Better luck next time. 

 

[The Iguana]

Some days you've got it, some days you don't. You can appreciate what was done at the same time you commiserate on what wasn't. Failure comes in all shapes and sizes but doesn't mean there isn't good to recognize, and even celebrate, while wallowing in some misery at the same time. 

Smoke on that, imo.

 

[Zasada]

I know everyone knows this, but just my way of saying I know it sucked but I'm still in ridiculous awe. I can't wait until you come back and crush the next one.

This.  

I wanted to post to share my awe for BnB's 88 miles but didn't want to discount or cast aside his disappointment.  What he achieves on such sporadic and jumbled training makes it even more impressive.

BnB, I'll be rooting for your next effort.  Hopefully you recover quickly and your body allows you to train properly.

 

[gruecd]

I get it, brother. Everybody means well, but when I have a ####ty race, the last thing I need/want is somebody blowing smoke up my ###. When I fail to meet a goal, I just need to wallow for a while. Heal up, figure out what went wrong, and kick ### next time.

Maybe "blowing smoke" wasn't the right phrase, since it implies that maybe people are being disingenuous with their kind words. Obviously everyone means well, and obviously we can all appreciate the effort, even if it didn't end as planned. 

 

[BassNBrew]

Some days you've got it, some days you don't. You can appreciate what was done at the same time you commiserate on what wasn't. Failure comes in all shapes and sizes but doesn't mean there isn't good to recognize, and even celebrate, while wallowing in some misery at the same time. 

Smoke on that, imo.

Good posting. Not going wallow in the misery. This was my own doing. Learned some lessons. Need to chew on making some changes or alter my outlet to compete. 

 

[JAA]

Phone died at 71 then I died at mile 88 missing the cutoff.  Big fail.  Never could get back the time I lost yesterday and get it to hold.  

Thanks for following Duck.  Racejoy ap was interesting.  What they failed to mention was it would go wonky or those following when you lost cell service.  Also is a major battery drain.  My electronics got behind on juice and I could never catch them up.

Head up bud. Balls to go out there for 88 miles. 

 

[tri-man 47]

By that definition, the only successful race is winning it outright and we all know that's not true. 

Wellll ...Ricky Bobby begs to differ.  

 

[JAA]

BMF effort is cleaning up medals in everything like you do or properly executing a race plan. This was a learning effort

Learning experiences are the most valuable. 

 

[JAA]

One man’s failure is another man’s dream.  

BnB’s 88mi failure is unfathomable to me, which I think is the source of the “smoke” most of the time.  Most giving him the pat on the back are truly amazed that he even covered those 88mi and have a hard time processing that as a failure. 

Sorry you sucked BnB. Better luck next time. 

I’ve done 88+ miles a number of times, even recently. All on my bike. 

I’ve never run farther than 14 miles. 

 

[-OZ-]

Thanks but it really is. You don’t run 450 miles at Indy and call it a success 

I get it, and you can call it smoke or whatever, but just getting out there and giving it what you have is what life is all about. 

So it's not a "successful" race.  You're still a BMF for doing it, and I'm humbled by your effort. There's a very real part of me that wants to do a 100, there's a part of me that fears the failure. There's another part that says #### that ####... But you, duck, and others doing it removes excuses.

So #### you for reminding me that excuses calls for questioning one's manhood.

BMF effort is cleaning up medals in everything like you do or properly executing a race plan. This was a learning effort

This makes it even better.

 

[SFBayDuck]

BMF effort is cleaning up medals in everything like you do or properly executing a race plan. This was a learning effort

Thanks.  Quads did me. Couldn’t run anything because they would seize at random on a frequent basis. Was reduced to 3 to 4 inch steps on any downhill. I think I had a 50 min mile at the end  usually I put some downhill running in my training but with 6-8 week training window I didn’t want to lose training time to recover from that type of workout 

otherwise I seem pretty unscathed. Ankle didn’t swell for the first time ever. Back was the best it’s been in some time. Fewest blisters and feet issues ever

Good posting. Not going wallow in the misery. This was my own doing. Learned some lessons. Need to chew on making some changes or alter my outlet to compete. 

So what did you learn?  You call out not getting any downhill training in, and even on a relatively flat 100 like BR you're still going to have quad damage if you haven't hardened them.  Anything else?  My reading of the last post indicates maybe you realize your inconsistent training makes doing this kind of thing pretty tough (which, btw, has always made your ability to finish some of the others remarkable)....is that it?  Anything else?

I'm not trying to grill you, just curious and also selfish - if there is anything I can learn from others, I'm all about that.  I heard a coach on a podcast the other day (Jeff Browning, I think) say the biggest benefit of having a coach for 100 mile training is that they can help you avoid 10 years of making mistakes and learning the associated lessons.  I'm still not hiring a coach (yet), but I sure will crowdsource lessons from others in this crazy sport of ours whenever I can.  And Ann Trason always has her athletes write down 3 things they did right and 3 things they did wrong after every race....with some of my races I'd have a hard time coming up with 3 good things and could (and have) written pages on all the things I screwed up.

Most importantly I hope you're not beating yourself up too much and enjoying some cold ones.  Even without reaching your goals, and we all get that disappointment,  you still ran 88 F'ing miles. 

 

[TripleThreat]

Speak to me about this Strava group I seem to be missing out on...

it's in the first post in this thread... 

if you're not familiar with Strava, it's a social community based around activities...   mostly, I get to see the results of BMFrs doing their things 

 

[TripleThreat]

Picked up some new shoes for the easy/long days of the Hanson plan.  Torin 4 Plus.  Almost feels too cushioned while walking, however it's surprisingly not so while jogging.  Let's hope I can get good mileage from them... 

Gonna use the recipe of T4P on long easy, Kinvara 10 on SOS days, and either the K10 or Hoka CarbonX on race day.  (feels good to move past this) 

97 days to marathon day.   

 

[The Iguana]

it's in the first post in this thread... 

if you're not familiar with Strava, it's a social community based around activities...   mostly, I get to see the results of BMFrs doing their things 

Also an awesome resource for tracking progress - seeing other BMFs doing stuff and getting   from the group are nice pick me ups, but being able to track your workouts, compare your own runs against past efforts, monitor progress, etc is a wealth of knowledge and invaluable for improved performance, IMO. 

strava.com is the site. Once on, you can search the groups for FBG.

 

[gruecd]

it's in the first post in this thread... 

if you're not familiar with Strava, it's a social community based around activities...   mostly, I get to see the results of BMFrs doing their things 

Also much better than posting your runs on Facebook or the the 'Gram and annoying all your non-running friends... 

 

[gruecd]

Got weeks 1-4 from my coach on Saturday morning.  Nothing too crazy the first couple of weeks, and then I see this doozy for my "challenge day" in week 3:

4 x HILLS followed by 1-miler on the roads, then 3 x HILLS followed by 1-miler on the roads, then 2 x HILLS followed by 1-miler, then finally 1 x HILL then 1-miler on the roads.  

First mile at 6:30ish pace, each subsequent mile 8-10 secs faster.  Two minutes rest before starting each set of hills. That's it.

 

[pbm107]

Got weeks 1-4 from my coach on Saturday morning.  Nothing too crazy the first couple of weeks, and then I see this doozy for my "challenge day" in week 3:

4 x HILLS followed by 1-miler on the roads, then 3 x HILLS followed by 1-miler on the roads, then 2 x HILLS followed by 1-miler, then finally 1 x HILL then 1-miler on the roads.  

First mile at 6:30ish pace, each subsequent mile 8-10 secs faster.  Two minutes rest before starting each set of hills. That's it.

How long is each hill interval and what is the effort level?

 

[gruecd]

How long is each hill interval and what is the effort level?

Fairly open-ended on that.  Just something that takes 40-50 seconds to get up.  The focus is definitely the road intervals.

 

[pbm107]

Fairly open-ended on that.  Just something that takes 40-50 seconds to get up.  The focus is definitely the road intervals.

I don’t think you’ll have too much difficulty with the mile intervals as long as you don’t go max effort on the hills. Interesting workout.

 

[gianmarco]

Wow. Saw @gruecd posted this on FB

Suspected marathon cheater found dead

Frank Meza -- suicide

:(

 

[gruecd]

Frank Meza -- suicide

:(

I think the biggest lesson we can all take from this whole tragedy is to not let our performance as athletes to have a disproportionate impact on our overall sense of self-worth.  I know I'm guilty of this myself sometimes.

 

[Zasada]

I think the biggest lesson we can all take from this whole tragedy is to not let our performance as athletes to have a disproportionate impact on our overall sense of self-worth.  I know I'm guilty of this myself sometimes.

The first lesson is to not cheat.  The second is that if you do cheat, and the internet mob comes after you, admit it (admitting it disperses the mob like nothing else).  It's too bad Frank Meza didn't know about the latter.  His continued denials just fueled the mob even more.

For me, being able to run a 5K/HM/marathon has done a lot for my self-confidence.  Now if I can just do a pushup I'll be king of the world!

But being self-aware of how crushing "keeping up with the Joneses" can be (either in running or in life), has allowed me to focus on just competing against myself which is a much more realistic target/goal.  Especially versus competing with all you BMFers.  My confidence would be curled-up in the fetal position crying for its mommy if I tried to compete against you guys.

But if I ever set a target for an AG podium and had it stolen by a cheater, I'd be pretty pissed.  Which is why I think the cheaters need to be exposed when they consume a scarce resource (podium, BQ, etc).  I really don't care about cheaters who are just cheating themselves.  But we also need to find a way to expose cheating and have it corrected without destroying the other aspects of someone's life.

 

[gruecd]

The first lesson is to not cheat.  The second is that if you do cheat, and the internet mob comes after you, admit it (admitting it disperses the mob like nothing else).  It's too bad Frank Meza didn't know about the latter.  He continued denials just fueled the mob even more.

OK, fine.  The THIRD lesson we can all take from this whole tragedy is to not let our performance as athletes to have a disproportionate impact on our overall sense of self-worth. 

Not to speak ill of the dead, but he definitely brought all of this on himself.  I said the same thing this weekend to a buddy about Ryan Braun.  When he first got busted for doing PEDs, if he'd just admitted it right away and said that he was doing it so that he could recover from his injuries and be there for his teammates, all would've been forgiven.  

 

[Zasada]

Runners vs swimmers hearts.  

I don't know about you guys, but the few times I have gone swimming it has always felt harder than running (back when I wasn't doing either much).  Odd that runners' hearts seem to be more developed than swimmers'.

Also my RHR is 51, which is about the only way I can compare to these elites! 

I recently had my physical, which included an ECG.  The findings suggested I have a thickening of the wall of my left ventricle so my doctor scheduled an ECHO for me.  After a little internet research it appears this is likely just the fact that for the first/only time in my life I have actually developed some level of cardio fitness, but better safe than sorry, right?

 

[-OZ-]

It does not bode well that my easy ten this morning has me feeling more beat up than any recent training, or race. Kept it easy throughout. I need to increase mileage slowly but this another reminder that running sucks

 

[-OZ-]

Just looked at BnB's race - sub 7 minute miles for 72? 

 

[The Iguana]

Just ran my first set of intervals in a while and first time in years that I actually did them on a track. That was pretty fun. Was just 4x800 but I stayed pretty consistent with them despite it being fairly toasty out there. Actually the slowest one was the first one. Was definitely feeling it by the last one. Slow mile back to the office was nice. 

 

[gruecd]

Just wanted to give props to all of you who run in the heat and humidity year-round.  This stuff is legit sucking the life out of me.  I'm staring at 15 weeks of serious marathon training, and I don't even want to leave my air-conditioned house or office...

 

[gruecd]

Just ran my first set of intervals in a while and first time in years that I actually did them on a track. That was pretty fun. Was just 4x800 but I stayed pretty consistent with them despite it being fairly toasty out there. Actually the slowest one was the first one. Was definitely feeling it by the last one. Slow mile back to the office was nice. 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  I love your enthusiasm.  

 

[The Iguana]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  I love your enthusiasm.  

As I mentioned in the thread someone had about "how old do you 'think' you are", I'm just a big old kid in an old man's body. And as I turn back the clock a little on this once decrepit body, the big kid in me keeps coming out more and more. I'd imagine I'm starting to be a slight (to major) PITA to some real life folks that I blather on and on about some of this stuff. 

I just wish I would have had this enthusiasm/motivation/desire to learn about the science behind running when I was 16, 17, 18... 

On a different note, I know there is a very physical side to the heat thing. But for me, it's also a mental thing. I figure if I can embrace the suck now, this all just gets easier as the temps start to fall here in 2 or 3 months, right? That will be just in time to really dial in for race time. 

 

[gruecd]

As I mentioned in the thread someone had about "how old do you 'think' you are", I'm just a big old kid in an old man's body. And as I turn back the clock a little on this once decrepit body, the big kid in me keeps coming out more and more. I'd imagine I'm starting to be a slight (to major) PITA to some real life folks that I blather on and on about some of this stuff.

Oh for sure.  I even have to be mindful about dialing it back with my wife, lest she start to think that my priorities are mixed up...

Honestly, though, that's why I'm so grateful for this thread and for Strava.

Separately, on the age thing, I was at my wife's friend's place yesterday for her daughter's birthday party, and one of the other guests said to me, "You don't look like you're 42."  Naturally, I took this as a compliment, but it got me thinking....what is 42 supposed to look like?

 

[gruecd]

I just wish I would have had this enthusiasm/motivation/desire to learn about the science behind running when I was 16, 17, 18... 

See, and I just wish they'd had Tinder when I was 16, 17, 18...