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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (4 Viewers)

Just catching up on this thread really hurts. Seeing people in great shape and thriving is bittersweet. I’m a complete shell of my former running self. Impossible for me to ever get back to running just one pain free mile. I remember getting out there and cruising an easy 10-13 miles on a Saturday and then reading about @ChiefD and his fresh market adventures.

Now, I just try and hobble through a day without pain. Being cautious and concerned with every step I take. I think I may be the youngest person in this thread, and I can’t even walk like a normal human being. I know it’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of life, but man I really wish I cherished my days a little more than I did as a runner.

 
Thanks everyone.  The result of that race was not at all anything I had planned  :shrug:  

Long story short is my HR was in a great spot and I didn't want to leave anything on the table. So, I pushed it up into the 170s and just went with it.

This was a nice surprise on a sloppy day  :excited:

(It was all me and not the shoes  :oldunsure: )

 
Thanks everyone.  The result of that race was not at all anything I had planned  :shrug:  

Long story short is my HR was in a great spot and I didn't want to leave anything on the table. So, I pushed it up into the 170s and just went with it.

This was a nice surprise on a sloppy day  :excited:

(It was all me and not the shoes  :oldunsure: )
:clap:  awesome Sauce! Congrats :)  

 
Thanks everyone.  The result of that race was not at all anything I had planned  :shrug:  

Long story short is my HR was in a great spot and I didn't want to leave anything on the table. So, I pushed it up into the 170s and just went with it.

This was a nice surprise on a sloppy day  :excited:

(It was all me and not the shoes  :oldunsure: )
Great job! Congrats! 

 
Just catching up on this thread really hurts. Seeing people in great shape and thriving is bittersweet. I’m a complete shell of my former running self. Impossible for me to ever get back to running just one pain free mile. I remember getting out there and cruising an easy 10-13 miles on a Saturday and then reading about @ChiefD and his fresh market adventures.

Now, I just try and hobble through a day without pain. Being cautious and concerned with every step I take. I think I may be the youngest person in this thread, and I can’t even walk like a normal human being. I know it’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of life, but man I really wish I cherished my days a little more than I did as a runner.
Hang in there man. Running is a great thing but not the only thing. 

I'm still hoping your knee starts to improve. 

 
@xulf fantastic race in wet conditions!  You pushed your HR up over 160 and then just held it for the whole race.  So #BMF.  

Totally unimportant, but I need to ask you:  Do you pronounce your last name as one would in France or in England?  Just like when I used to read "Gee-ahn" in my head in Strava, only to find out that it's really "John"... :)

@pbm107 you are just out of this world -- sub-60 10-miler.  HFS.  So happy for you.  Squeezing-out those incremental gains at your level of performance takes so much.  Congratulations, and I hope you savoured that all weekend.  With a few barley beverages!

I expect RRs from both of you, pronto.  Make it so!

 
I having been targeting sub 60 at Broad Street for a while now, @Juxtatarot and I considered it for 2016 but he properly assessed that it was too aggressive at the time. In 2018 my training up to Broad Street was as good as it gets but race day was one of most disappointing races.

From Friday:

If you compare my current running efficiency to my best two Broad Street results 2021 and 2016.

I’m 7 sec/mile less efficient than 2021 (6:00 actual pace) and 10 sec/mile more efficient than 2016 (6:07 actual pace). Where does it put me on Sunday, who knows?

2021 Predicted pace @HR 172 5:57 (6:00 actual pace at 174)

2016 Predicted pace @HR 172 6:14 (6:07 actual pace at 175)

2022 Predicted pace @HR 172 6:04 (??? actual pace at ???)


To give you an idea as to why I was so disappointed in 2018:

  • In 2018 Predicted pace @HR 172 5:53 (6:23 actual pace at 173)
The point is you never really know what will happen on race day and rarely are there good surprises.

2022 Broad Street Run Race Report

For the 4th race in row after waking up at home my prerace meal was 3 scrambled eggs, water, and coffee around 5 AM for 8 AM start. This seems to work for me. I need to figure out something for travel races to prevent an Indy type experience.

I was in the red corral right behind the seeded runners and elites, they changed the cutoff criteria for entry into this corral this to sub 60 so in theory I should be the slowest runner there. It was less crowed than usual and I stayed near the back. This was a good choice as was staying on the left side of the road which was less crowded.

Mile 1

Not knowing what I was capable of I was really focused on running as close as possible to 6:00 miles and evaluating how I felt at that pace. The first half mile felt easy, I remember thinking my legs felt rested. As I approached the 1 mile marker right at 6:00 I thought this pace doesn’t feel easy.

Mile 2

I started to get concerned how difficult the pace felt, so much so I changed the screen on my watch to take a peek at my HR. If it was 180 or something I was going to consider backing off the pace. It was 172, so I went forward with the plan. 5:57 mile

Mile 3-5

I thoughts of running 8 more miles at this pace felt overwhelming, I just kept focusing on running the mile I was in at 6:00 pace. 5:56, 5:58, and 5:58

Miles 6-7

These miles are the Broad Street Zone of Confusion where you really can’t trust your pace since the GPS doesn’t work so well because of the buildings. I did my best to stay on pace and the crowd support really carried me in this section. I got 6 mile marker a few seconds ahead of pace and for the first time I thought I might have a chance.  I knew there was a timing mat at mile 7 and in October I got there in 42:03, so when I crossed it at 41:54 I was pumped. 6:03, 5:59

Mile 8

The sun is out and I’m really starting to get warm, I start thinking that I can handle anything for 18 minutes and then I start getting mad at myself for thinking beyond the current mile. 6:00

Mile 9

I’m breathing heavy and my focus is I just don’t want lose any ground here at all as I don’t know if I will be able to make it up in the final mile. There aren’t many times in life where you get a second chance on something, I need to take advantage. I get to the mile maker a little bit ahead of pace, but don’t know if I can trust this marker based on my experience in October. 6:00

Mile 10

I take off as soon I hit the 9 mile marker and into the first turn, I not going to let my pace drop below 6. After a tenth of a mile or so I see 5:50 on my watch. After the 2nd to last turn I see 6:04 and I using up all the emotional bullets in my arsenal to pick up the pace. I get passed by 2 younger runners that have way more juice in their legs than I do. I am doing all I can to pick up the pace but it doesn’t seem like I can go any faster. I peek at the watch and I see I am at 5:58 now but as I learned in October that isn’t the time that matters. I get closer to the finish and I’m see that I’m going to do it, but I’m not taking any chances and sprint through both timing mats. 5:59 final mile, 59:53 official time.

This was a big one for me, according to the calculators my best race. I can’t think of a more satisfying race. I flew fairly close to the sun on this one and don’t think I could have done any better. I reached a max HR of 190, which is my highest number recorded in 4 years. I think I have figured out some things with my training and feel lucky to finally get my goal in this race considering I know I have been fitter in the past. I am fortunate that this race wasn't the week of 4/22 as I really suffered with my allergies that week. 

 
Mile 9

I’m breathing heavy and my focus is I just don’t want lose any ground here at all as I don’t know if I will be able to make it up in the final mile. There aren’t many times in life where you get a second chance on something, I need to take advantage. I get to the mile maker a little bit ahead of pace, but don’t know if I can trust this marker based on my experience in October. 6:00
This line right here gave me chills. Way to grab that second chance and execute to the end. 

F'ing Awesome.  :thumbup:

 
I'm the guy that posted awhile back about starting a Couch to 5K plan.  The good news is that I'm up to week 7 of 9 weeks total now and making good progress in terms of my run intervals and my distances.  The bad news is that my knees have been incredibly sore for the past week or so.  I've been running every other day throughout, but before yesterday's run, I took 2 rest days and although I completed that run OK, I'm still limping around the house 24 hours later.  I've taken ibuprofen which seems to help some, but since I'm not an experienced runner, I'm not sure if I should just try to push through or slow down and take more rest days or what.  My office has a health center, so I plan on stopping by there on Wednesday since I know one of the nurses I've talked to there is a longtime runner.  Any thoughts?

 
@xulf fantastic race in wet conditions!  You pushed your HR up over 160 and then just held it for the whole race.  So #BMF.  

Totally unimportant, but I need to ask you:  Do you pronounce your last name as one would in France or in England?  Just like when I used to read "Gee-ahn" in my head in Strava, only to find out that it's really "John"... :)

@pbm107 you are just out of this world -- sub-60 10-miler.  HFS.  So happy for you.  Squeezing-out those incremental gains at your level of performance takes so much.  Congratulations, and I hope you savoured that all weekend.  With a few barley beverages!

I expect RRs from both of you, pronto.  Make it so!


Thanks  :hifive:

For my last name - German.  The "H" is a "K", so it is pronounced like the TV show with Ted Danson, or Boris from tennis.

 
Spill the beans!


Nothing really earth shattering more of fixes holes in my game, two things I am convinced make a difference.

Watching what I eat and lower my weight has been a difference maker. I haven’t done a great job of maintaining my weight or tracking it in the past but for the most part my experience matches this calculator.

The magic shoes make a difference, and especially for me as I was running all my races in trainers. I suspect not wearing racers before was holding me back a bit.

Other things that I have changed in the past year or so or I have changed my thoughts on:

I have really slowed down my non-workout runs starting around May of last year ahead of and during marathon training.

1/1/21-4/30/21 763 miles 8:01 @137.5

5/1/21-11/7/21 1667 miles 8:06 @131.5

I have carried that into this year

1/1/22-4/30/22 844 miles 8:16 @132.2

For comparison of previous years

2021 2732 miles 8:05 @133.1

2020 2616 miles 8:05 @139.4

2019 2223 miles 7:54 @139.5

2018 2680 miles 7:43 @138.4

All previous years I averaged over 8:00 at a HR over 140

This is a lot of info, but I have prioritized getting in one workout a week and completing a long run not worrying about the pace.

Consistency over time doesn’t only apply to mileage, applies to quality- I can’t go long periods of time without quality. I’ve started to embrace mini-workouts like 3 mile tempos. I am better off stringing together long stretches of one decent workout a week rather than completing monster workouts and not being able to complete a workout the following week.

Recovery is important, I can recover running at easy mileage. I can’t handle 2 workouts a week over long periods of time like the Hanson half plan requires.

 
Wow, that gives me almost a full minute off my HM time for every 2lbs I lose.
It is crazy, to be clear I guess I should have said my marathon experience matches that calculator. I don’t know how much would be healthy for you to lose since you’re already so thin.

 
48 degrees, 14 mph winds and .15 inch rain/hour tomorrow morning. Hmmm, not sure to raincoat it or brave it. That’s right on the border.
I am losing my tolerance for dealing with rain, but I have never run with a raincoat, Bandaids are always a good idea.

 
I'm the guy that posted awhile back about starting a Couch to 5K plan.  The good news is that I'm up to week 7 of 9 weeks total now and making good progress in terms of my run intervals and my distances.  The bad news is that my knees have been incredibly sore for the past week or so.  I've been running every other day throughout, but before yesterday's run, I took 2 rest days and although I completed that run OK, I'm still limping around the house 24 hours later.  I've taken ibuprofen which seems to help some, but since I'm not an experienced runner, I'm not sure if I should just try to push through or slow down and take more rest days or what.  My office has a health center, so I plan on stopping by there on Wednesday since I know one of the nurses I've talked to there is a longtime runner.  Any thoughts?
Getting it checked out definitely seems like a good idea.  It's hard because knee pain could be a lot of things.  Which part of the knee, and is the pain in other areas above and/or below the knee as well or very localized?  Does it hurt more in the morning when you wake up and get better with movement or does movement exacerbate it?  Have you been stretching after your runs?  I think the general consensus these days is that stretching after a run is more important than stretching beforehand.

 
Cap City Half Marathon

Prologue – This is my first time running this race and my first spring race ever. While I had never done this course, parts of it overlap with the Nationwide Children’s HM and Marathon that I have raced before and a lot of it was the same as the Hot Chocolate 15K I ran a couple years ago. So, while the race was new, I had seen pretty much the whole course but in different stages.

After having COVID destroy my fitness before my October Marathon, I felt like I needed to get my conditioning back and actually “race” something. So, here we are. COVID had taken my V02max from 56 to 51 and I worked my way back over the last many months and hit 57 right before this race.

I started out training for a 7:20 pace and eventually dropped that down to 7:15. I had wanted to finish at <1:35. I will note that my training runs that were ~7:00 pace, felt infinitely harder than my GHMP runs, so I wasn’t sure what it would look like if I tried for something too aggressive.

Oh, and I’m definitely a fatass and I am carrying 10 more lbs than my Marathon about 6 months ago (it’s all muscle…right? :rolleyes: ).

Race Day:

Got up around 5:00 and it was friggin raining and was expected to rain until 10:00. WTF! I couldn’t control the weather, so I ran a mile on the treadmill to get things going. Pooped and had a coffee and half an English muffin with peanut butter. Lubed up my toes, inner thighs, and nipples while thinking of @gianmarco and got dressed.

We got out the door at 6:30 to drive downtown. No issues until we got close to the course where we had prepaid for parking.  Got stuck for 25 minutes without moving and I eventually jumped out of the car a couple blocks from the start because I had to pee and it was getting really close to go time. I was in corral A and my wife was in E, so she had some extra time and she didn’t care if she started late (she made it before the gun).

Miles 1, 2, 3 (7:09, 7:08, 7:07 / HR = 141, 159, 162)

There was a cold drizzle at the start. I wore a hat to the race which is odd for me since I have literally never worn a hat while running before. But, I wanted to keep the water out of my face and I read it would help keep my running form since it allows you to not duck your head to avoid the rain. The map with elevation on the race’s website showed a big hill on mile 4, so while these paces were faster than the 7:15 I was aiming for...and faster than 7:20-7:30 that I would have originally shot for to ease into the race, it was intentional to bank a little extra time for the hill that was to come. No issues out of the gate since I was in corral A and it was small without too many people. One thing that I quickly realized that I did not anticipate was POTHOLES. Coming off of the winter, these were prevalent throughout the course. Fix your roads Columbus! All in all though, things started off pretty well for these miles, but it was wet.

Miles 4, 5, 6 (7:04, 6:59, 7:08 / HR = 161, 164, 164)

The rain was holding off for these miles and actually the rest of the race. It was just a bit of a spritz that was off and on, and we avoided anything significant. So, while I was wet, it was manageable (thankfully). To my surprise on mile 4, there was not some massive hill. There was a hill that is normally mile 11 in the fall race and can be brutal if you are on fumes, but on mile 4, this was no big deal. I sprinted up the thing and was at the top sitting at a sub 6:30 pace for the mile. I backed off a bit and enjoyed the downhill getting my HR right back to where it should be. I knew at this moment that I had a real shot of kicking this things butt, because that hill did not phase me at all. I actually felt stronger after it. Bring it!

I pushed at the end of mile 5 to get below a 7:00 pace and it got me thinking about how I was in real contention to break my 10K record within this race (I think it was a 7:04 pace). So, I decided to keep things closer to 7:00 than 7:15 and see what happens.

Miles 7, 8, 9 (7:01, 6:57, 6:49 / HR = 164, 168, 169)

I started this stretch thinking that I needed to go faster. I was still feeling really good and strong at this point. In the virtual HM we ran in 2021 I had my HR up in the 170s for 10 miles or so. I didn’t have nearly that much distance left and I knew I could handle the pain cave for the remainder of the race. My fear though was the last mile of this race was uphill and I didn’t want to crash on the last mile…but I went ahead and started pushing faster. I really don’t remember tons about individual miles from this point on, I was just locked in on my pace and running my lines to not gain extra distance. It is amazing how everyone sheeps together for inefficient curves when you have a big street to work with. I never really noticed this before, because I have always been one of them ( :bye: @Dr_Zaius). I just stared down the brim of my hat at a spot, blocked everything else out and kept going (while also trying to avoid potholes). Any hill I saw, I attacked and left the other runners pissed at me as I flew past them. I felt super focused and in the zone.

Miles 10, 11, 12 (6:52, 6:41, 6:48 / HR = 170, 172, 172)

I was able to keep my pace and had my HR in check. Was I really doing this at a pace I never trained for? Could I somehow break a 7:00 pace? 1:35 is a lock by a mile as long as I don’t screw something up.

I cross the 11 mile mat at exactly 11 miles on my watch. I was right on target to not have much extra distance so I knew my time was good and would stand. I actually crossed the 11 mile marker at 1:17. I quickly tried to think if I had any chance to be in at 1:30. My super fast mental math told me I needed to run the rest at like a 6:00 pace or something stupid, and I quickly shut that thinking down, especially with the uphill to come.

Miles 13, 13.1 (6:53, 4:51 / HR = 174, 180)

These jerks make you finish with an uphill on the last mile. Ugh. But, I pushed hard and finished strong. The last little bit was recorded as 0.2 miles at a 4:51 pace which is totally wrong. My GPS spazzed out at the end. It was probably more like 0.12 at a 6:25 or something pace, but that 4:51 looks like I am super fast!

I came down the home stretch and almost took my foot off the accelerator because I just crushed this thing. But, the clock above the finish line gave me some motivation as I wanted to get in before it said 1:32:00 --- I knew I would be in the 1:31:xx range since I did not start right at the gun, but it gave me that last little boost (I think I crossed one second before the gun time hit).

Official time: 1:31:42.

That puts my pace at 6:59:699642  --- so I clearly was below a 7:00 pace  :lmao:

Anyway – this race was fun and needed. I needed to REALLY race something, and I did far better than I could have imagined. One thing I learned here was that not overtraining for really hard goals helps to keep me healthy and ready for the race. And, that in itself at least allows for faster running to happen for people like me who are still discovering what they are capable of.

ETA - this was a PR by >9 minutes. I also set a 15k and 10k PR during this race 

 
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Reached out to the race director for the des plaines river trail 50 miler to see if I could get a replacement buckle(since mine was lost in the fire). He actually had one leftover from the year of my race. Sent it free of charge. 

Pretty cool. 

 
pbm107 said:
It is crazy, to be clear I guess I should have said my marathon experience matches that calculator. I don’t know how much would be healthy for you to lose since you’re already so thin.


Yeah, at some point there has to be diminishing (or negative) returns.  Carrying fat around is inefficient, but if the body is dropping bone/muscle to shed weight, I have to think that's counterproductive.

I had another 100km week last week, ate reasonably well, and still gained 0.8lbs.  :angry:

 
xulf said:
ETA - this was a PR by >9 minutes. I also set a 15k and 10k PR during this race 


Great race report!  So much energy.  Loved it.  And with 10 extra pounds, you really ran <1:30 at your race weight!  :)

I can't believe this is the first time you've run with a hat.  I almost never run without one (even in the dark)!  Helps control the sweat.

 
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xulf said:
I also set a 15k and 10k PR during this race 


Question for the group:  I also set a 10K, 15K, and 10-mile PRs on my HM in Vegas.  I get that a "Strava PR" really doesn't count as official, but Vegas had an actual timing mat at the 10K point of the race.  Does that then "count" as an official PR, or does only a 10K race count?

 
Question for the group:  I also set a 10K, 15K, and 10-mile PRs on my HM in Vegas.  I get that a "Strava PR" really doesn't count as official, but Vegas had an actual timing mat at the 10K point of the race.  Does that then "count" as an official PR, or does only a 10K race count?
It's only my opinion, but I'd only count an actual 10K race as my PR, not a segment within a longer race or training run.

 
Question for the group:  I also set a 10K, 15K, and 10-mile PRs on my HM in Vegas.  I get that a "Strava PR" really doesn't count as official, but Vegas had an actual timing mat at the 10K point of the race.  Does that then "count" as an official PR, or does only a 10K race count?
Yes, it counts. 

 
PlayaHata said:
I'm the guy that posted awhile back about starting a Couch to 5K plan.  The good news is that I'm up to week 7 of 9 weeks total now and making good progress in terms of my run intervals and my distances.  The bad news is that my knees have been incredibly sore for the past week or so.  I've been running every other day throughout, but before yesterday's run, I took 2 rest days and although I completed that run OK, I'm still limping around the house 24 hours later.  I've taken ibuprofen which seems to help some, but since I'm not an experienced runner, I'm not sure if I should just try to push through or slow down and take more rest days or what.  My office has a health center, so I plan on stopping by there on Wednesday since I know one of the nurses I've talked to there is a longtime runner.  Any thoughts?
I'll be interested to hear what the nurse/runner says.  But in the grand scheme of things, don't be shy about backing way off for a week and making it a 10 week plan ...take more of a long-view here.

 
Question for the group:  I also set a 10K, 15K, and 10-mile PRs on my HM in Vegas.  I get that a "Strava PR" really doesn't count as official, but Vegas had an actual timing mat at the 10K point of the race.  Does that then "count" as an official PR, or does only a 10K race count?


It's not like we are using these things to qualify for events, so I say count it. 

The fact that it is a time for an exact distance without running a course (more add on mileage) is a negative, but you are setting the PR within a longer race, so that in my mind more than offsets it.  Plus, some of these records are for distances I will never race...like a 20k or some nomsense like that.

 
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