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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (6 Viewers)

Checking in on our pacing hero, he’s a cool 48 seconds under estimated pace finish with under 3 miles to go. Will be done just prior to 1140est.
Death, Taxes, @SteelCurtain pacing.
Thanks for this. I had a good group of about 12 at mile 17. There is a big downhill at this point, and historically, people fall off the pace after that. Partially because of the steep hill, but its also an ugly 2 mile stretch of city streets (after a serene bike trail).

I kept about 5 in the group together. 2 ran ahead (including one guy running his first marathon...nothing like negative splitting your first marathon.) We were down to three. One fell off. So at mile 21ish, it was me and two guys (I'll call them "Old Man" and "Sam"). I was pushing them a bit. They seemed to be doing okay. I told them now was the time they had to push the pace a bit if they wanted to try to go sub 3:39 (I was pacing 3:40). Old Man started to go when I dropped back 10 steps to stay with Sam. Sam was doing okay but he was definitely in the pain cave. I wouldn't let Sam let up. He kept trying to back off and I'd bark at him to stay with me. I told him we needed to stay together to the next turn, to that big tree, to the fence, etc. There were a couple small little ups and downs (maybe 8 feet of elevation). I had him surge on the downhills. I was trying to bank time to get him under the 3:40 even if he slowed.

Sam was at the brink. At mile 25, I realized he probably had 3:40 as long as nothing catastrophic happened. (Old man was out of sight at this point). Sam was getting motivational quotes from me with a dose of yelling "You didn't come this far to not hit your goal. Let's GOOOOO Sam!" He was pushing hard. He got to mile 26 and I did some quick math. Sam had 3:40 in the bag. I told him to push hard and he might be able to get to sub 3:39. I stayed next to him to keep him pushing hard. I dropped back with a couple hundred feet left as I knew they had photographers and I wanted him to have the finishing image of him finishing with me in back in the distance.

Old man finished at 3:38:22. Sam finished 3:39:02. I was 3:39:09. Admittedly, 21 seconds faster than where I'd like to be, but I wanted to get Sam across that line as fast as I could.

27 days until NYC Marathon. 41 days until Philadelphia Marathon.
 
Garmin 735XT for $129.99 (normally $349.99). Amazon Prime Deal today

I'm likely going to hold off as the battery life is not enough if I want to do an ultra. But it may be a good option for someone who doesn't want to run over 26.2.
Man, that's a smokin' deal. And I need a new running watch.

My wife will murder me.....

Edit to add: doesn't look like it's an actual wrist heart monitor. Says "estimated heart rate" on the description.
Yeah, I didn't look that closely due to the battery limitations. Maybe check the Garmin website to see if there are different models?
 
Haven't checked in on this thread in a while, life/work/kids activities have been getting in the way. Great to see some of the recent results. Quick update on me - only two races on the calendar for 2022. Was going to be only one, but apparently Ironman couldn't fill up the World Championship in St. George so they offered me a slot in February for an early May race. With Kona having been cancelled the last couple of years my wife talked me into racing (shocker) with a super-quick and not-nearly-adequate build. I must say - the St. George course is the hardest I've ever been on, but I survived and finished. My A race for the year, however, after two deferrals and some reschedules, is Kona in early October. For those that don't follow Ironman, the race has been split into two races this year (Thursday, October 6th is primarily the female waves and a couple of older male waves, while Saturday October 8th is the male pros and most of the male waves). I'll be racing in Hawaii on Saturday October 8th - hopefully the race will go off with no issues. It's been a 10+ year journey with many thousands of miles covered in racing/training to get to Kona.

Quick update - survived, finished (13:30 and change), and made it back home. Having to catch up at work and getting life back in order. Race report to come, but short story is I think I'm finished with full Ironman triathlons for at least a good long while.

Best part of the long weekend in Kona (outside of my 10 seconds in the finisher chute) was volunteering for the female race on Thursday. Got a great picture of my youngest offering water to Lucy Charles Barkley, and Jan Frodeno was volunteering at the same run aid station as we were. My middle son and he were giving out water together, and my son had no idea who he was. Talked Jan's ear off, and Jan was amazingly accommodating. How do I post pictures on this website?
 
If anyone is interested in running Monumental, I have a bib and will not use it.

I think its $20 to transfer bib and deadline is TODAY. PM me if interested in my bib.
 
Haven't checked in on this thread in a while, life/work/kids activities have been getting in the way. Great to see some of the recent results. Quick update on me - only two races on the calendar for 2022. Was going to be only one, but apparently Ironman couldn't fill up the World Championship in St. George so they offered me a slot in February for an early May race. With Kona having been cancelled the last couple of years my wife talked me into racing (shocker) with a super-quick and not-nearly-adequate build. I must say - the St. George course is the hardest I've ever been on, but I survived and finished. My A race for the year, however, after two deferrals and some reschedules, is Kona in early October. For those that don't follow Ironman, the race has been split into two races this year (Thursday, October 6th is primarily the female waves and a couple of older male waves, while Saturday October 8th is the male pros and most of the male waves). I'll be racing in Hawaii on Saturday October 8th - hopefully the race will go off with no issues. It's been a 10+ year journey with many thousands of miles covered in racing/training to get to Kona.

Quick update - survived, finished (13:30 and change), and made it back home. Having to catch up at work and getting life back in order. Race report to come, but short story is I think I'm finished with full Ironman triathlons for at least a good long while.

Best part of the long weekend in Kona (outside of my 10 seconds in the finisher chute) was volunteering for the female race on Thursday. Got a great picture of my youngest offering water to Lucy Charles Barkley, and Jan Frodeno was volunteering at the same run aid station as we were. My middle son and he were giving out water together, and my son had no idea who he was. Talked Jan's ear off, and Jan was amazingly accommodating. How do I post pictures on this website?
That's awesome!!! What a journey for you ...as you state, more than 10 years to get to that starting line. Super impressive. Congrats!! Looking forward to the report.

:pickle:
 
The guy from Fast and Furious lives his life one quarter mile at a time.
I think I live mine from Pt visit to PT visit.

Had an appt yesterday and it was just a regular planned maint type and to see how I was coming out of Berlin and what was next. A bunch of quad and hammy cups and some hip stuff. It’s been a massive improvement in hip/sacrum alignment with more regular core. So nothing acute or inhibiting.
The ‘what’s next’ is going to be more complicated. I’m motivated to run but still feeling pretty sluggish and timid. I’ve been half sick a bit and kids are mostly through something so this aspect should get better. The second half of October will determine what I try in November. I picked up an 8 week bridge plan to work the recovery, return to some quality, taper. It’s about to be the 3 weeks of some quality so we’ll see how some goal pace and longer runs go starting next week. I will need my mind and body to come together significantly but I have a plan to get there just in time.
Enjoy the fall temps all. It’s glovely out there.

Here’s the general gist from the plan:

The first phase would be the acute recovery phase where just getting everything back to some kind of homeostasis is our top priority. The second phase is to get our running legs back underneath us to stop potential detraining. The third phase would be to get back to some workouts in order to put a floor on any detraining that may have occurred. As you can tell, none of this is about adding to our fitness level, but rather, to make sure we don’t lose our high level of fitness and have a body capable of handling that marathon stress for a second time.
 
I'm so loving both of these situations:

Drew. Drew is a top five XC runner for North Central College. I'm covering an Auditing course for the school (adjunct had dropped out two weeks before the term), and he's one of twelve students in my class. As some of you might know, NCC has been the powerhouse, D III XC program over the past 20 years or more, winning about half the national championships. It's been awesome getting to know Drew and talking running with him. We're now following each other on Strava. I love hearing about their training (averaging 70 mi/week over the past month) and the races/competition they face. He loves hearing my stories of Boston and other experiences. We typically chat for a while after each class. I wore my Boston jacket this week on a cold day, and it was interesting seeing his near-reverence as he checked it out. He, of course, has a Boston dream some day. I'm hoping to catch them at the national XC meet in East Lansing in November (I'll build that into a final trip to our summer cottage).

Ashley. Ashley is a grad student at my school. She comes from Cali and a running family. She's actually done a couple of 50Ks with her dad. She only ran club XC at UC-Davis, so she has eligibility and is running on our women's XC team. She's been running top five or ten in the various meets, and is likely top two at the conference meet in two weeks. She's just beginning to tap her potential as she transitions from ultras to XC speed. The problem? Our D III school doesn't have a track, so we don't draw serious runners. Our XC training is therefore something of a joke, and it's been so frustrating to her. Low mileage; little quality; young, unknowledgeable (and rotating) coaches. On her own, she's been using free time and free days to push her mileage to about 45-50 miles per week. When she found out that I shared her passion for running, she latched on, and she has asked if I could help her gear up for the conference meet. I thought about it for a milli-second and said yes. By coincidence, when I went to a local track a few days ago for some 400m repeats, she was there doing 200m repeats. And then today, as arranged, I drove her out to the local Arboretum for some hilly miles. During the run, we averaged under the planned 8:00/mi pacing, and I used a couple of 'short cut' roads so she could take a longer route and open up her pace for a mile or more each time ...a solid workout for both of us (12 miles for her; 10 1/2 for me). I've already shared with her the course map and info for the conference meet (at a new location) that I found and we've started to talk strategy on whether to/how to push the conference #1 runner ...two aspects that she hasn't gotten from the rookie coaches. The very cool thing is that she's arranging her academic coursework to retain a final semester of eligibility for next fall's XC season. She seems very well positioned to set a new school record and have a dominant season. It's going to be a blast supporting her over the next year.
 
I'm so loving both of these situations:

Drew. Drew is a top five XC runner for North Central College. I'm covering an Auditing course for the school (adjunct had dropped out two weeks before the term), and he's one of twelve students in my class. As some of you might know, NCC has been the powerhouse, D III XC program over the past 20 years or more, winning about half the national championships. It's been awesome getting to know Drew and talking running with him. We're now following each other on Strava. I love hearing about their training (averaging 70 mi/week over the past month) and the races/competition they face. He loves hearing my stories of Boston and other experiences. We typically chat for a while after each class. I wore my Boston jacket this week on a cold day, and it was interesting seeing his near-reverence as he checked it out. He, of course, has a Boston dream some day. I'm hoping to catch them at the national XC meet in East Lansing in November (I'll build that into a final trip to our summer cottage).

Ashley. Ashley is a grad student at my school. She comes from Cali and a running family. She's actually done a couple of 50Ks with her dad. She only ran club XC at UC-Davis, so she has eligibility and is running on our women's XC team. She's been running top five or ten in the various meets, and is likely top two at the conference meet in two weeks. She's just beginning to tap her potential as she transitions from ultras to XC speed. The problem? Our D III school doesn't have a track, so we don't draw serious runners. Our XC training is therefore something of a joke, and it's been so frustrating to her. Low mileage; little quality; young, unknowledgeable (and rotating) coaches. On her own, she's been using free time and free days to push her mileage to about 45-50 miles per week. When she found out that I shared her passion for running, she latched on, and she has asked if I could help her gear up for the conference meet. I thought about it for a milli-second and said yes. By coincidence, when I went to a local track a few days ago for some 400m repeats, she was there doing 200m repeats. And then today, as arranged, I drove her out to the local Arboretum for some hilly miles. During the run, we averaged under the planned 8:00/mi pacing, and I used a couple of 'short cut' roads so she could take a longer route and open up her pace for a mile or more each time ...a solid workout for both of us (12 miles for her; 10 1/2 for me). I've already shared with her the course map and info for the conference meet (at a new location) that I found and we've started to talk strategy on whether to/how to push the conference #1 runner ...two aspects that she hasn't gotten from the rookie coaches. The very cool thing is that she's arranging her academic coursework to retain a final semester of eligibility for next fall's XC season. She seems very well positioned to set a new school record and have a dominant season. It's going to be a blast supporting her over the next year.

This is awesome - well done Wally.
 
5 Miler this morning to kick things off. Beautiful 39 degrees at 6:15 am. The KC Marathon is today, so there was a lot of thinking going on for me - all those folks with all that hard work culminating on this day. Positive vibes for them and their goals.

I also thought about this.

Miles 17 - 24

Whoever said Carmel was flat can suck my sack. This section tested my resolve. As soon as I turned the corner to head north, the wind was there. For 7 ####### miles. It also started to rain here, so that added to the discomfort. This was the point where in previous marathons my fitness and mental fortitude died. Not today.

Not once during this section did I want to stop and walk. Not once did I question whether I could finish this race. I just put my head down and thought about you guys. I thought about the #BMF mentality of all of you. I thought about this report - I didn't want to let you guys (and myself) down. I dug deep mentally here and finally crossed a threshold I didn't even know I had.

I thought about my wife - she was out there in this rain and sheeeity weather supporting me and screaming encouragement. She was there at mile 20 at the back end of this incline running alongside me - pulling me up that last stretch.

I knew at mile 22 I had sub 4:00 in the bag.

It's time to run again.

The rest of the day so far:

1. Farmers Market. Hard freeze coming Monday night, so a lot of the good stuff is done after this week. Loaded up on beans and greens and maters and corn and a final watermelon.

2. QT for the big phat coke.

3. Home Depot for a toilet repair kit. Oh, and ornamental trees are 50% off you say? Snared a Flowering Plum for $15. Booyah!

4. Back home for a day of yardwork, putting the garden away for winter, and grillin and chillin and drinking some brews later. Big Chiefs game tomorrow.

Have a wonderful weekend boys and girls. Get You Some!!
 
Finally feeling good running. A decent paced 8 with a push finish for mile 9 this morning.
Yard work, walk the pups with son 3, Home Depot run so the wife can make some Christmas crafts, dinner date with her afterwards.

Other stuff in life
- wife went in to the doctor/dermatologist Monday to get a cyst removed from her back. He decided he couldn’t do it so we’re rescheduled with a surgeon in December. She’s had it since I’ve known her, over 25 years, but it’s grown recently. She has anxiety with needles so the doc gave her a pill which got her high and sleepy.

- son #1 has been working dominoes. Good money but driving a lot. He’ll interview with bucees this week, and has two other leads - interview Tuesday for a small welding company, and a friend of ours might be able to get him into his utility company. The welding gig sounds awesome.
- son 2 got accepted into auburn and Mississippi state this week. There wasn’t never a doubt (4.0, 30 on his ACT). We had two lengthy conversations, the first where he was dead set on MSU, the most recent after being accepted, and he’s set on Auburn. We’ll visit MSU Wednesday. No lie here, I hope he finds it doesn’t fit him. We’ve already visited Auburn and he liked it a lot. I think it’s the right fit for him and best long term but the choice is his.
- son 3 is enjoying cooking and 3 is very good at it. HS freshman is going well. 3 told us a week ago of 3’s preference to be “they/ them “. I’m convinced it’s just a phase and I responded labels don’t matter, we’ll use your name. I genuinely do not understand this gender thing. But what can you do other than be patient and love? 🤷
- son 4 starts archery (he did it last year in elementary school) next month and is looking forward to it.
- daughter gets to be on the field for the coin flip at Alabama / Austin Peay November 19. That will be fun and with the tickets being reasonable we’ll take the family down for the day. If she had been selected for the iron bowl it would have just been mom and her, with tickets costing at least $250 right now and make a wish only gets two for each game. Unfortunately she had to decline an invitation to an LPGA tour in Naples on the same day.

Hope y’all are having a blast!
 
Alright, I'll jump in.

My running has taken a back seat for a long time now and I have gotten away from it for a while. There's been a few reasons for that. First is having a wife that has been running and training a lot. Ever since this marathon journey started 2 1/2 years ago, she's gotten the bug and has been going at it virtually non-stop. After the first one in Minocqua in Sept, 2020, she's now run 4 more in just over a year's time. J&J last July, Indy in November, Boston in April, Chicago last week and she is scheduled to run Mesa in February. I had an entry into it as well but I've transferred it to her Sunday long run partner (my friend that I wrote about at J&J) as one of our kids has an out of town event that weekend anyway and I don't have much interest to run it. But, basically it's been run a marathon, recover for 2-3 weeks, then start training for the next one.

Being on the other side of that is tiring. I say that only to be aware of what training is like for the significant other. I've also told her that after Mesa, she needs to have a break. Her goal at this point is to run all 6 majors which I'm on board with. And I'd actually run any/all of them with her that I'm able to get into as well. We entered the lottery for Berlin for next October, but I'm looking forward to Mesa coming and going in February and her just taking some time off from training.

Anyway, that's been one reason. Aside from the time thing, since it's hard to have both parents committing that much time to run a lot, I've just been personally "turned off" from training because of all that she's done. It's a dumb thing but it is what it is. I see her having to get out there to get a run in so she doesn't fall behind and it makes me not want to do it at all. In addition, work and other things that have been going on since I ran J&J a little over a year ago has made it tough as well. But, now with kids back in school, her work schedule being better, and a break from the summer weather and I've gotten back into a little groove.

This has been mostly from a health standpoint. I need to be active. I need to do more than I was. So, for the last month, the plan has been to do SOMETHING every day. On the days I'm not coming back from work, I'm running. That's 4 days/week. The 3 days during the week after I work overnight, I've been lifting weights. I've successfully kept that up since I started a few weeks ago. I'm in a good routine now. I feel better. Runs are enjoyable again and don't feel awful. I'm running anywhere from 3-5 miles per run and getting up to about 20 mpw which is good enough for me. And if my night of work isn't too bad, especially when the weather has been nice, I've gotten out a couple extra times. This is sustainable and it's helped me reconnect with what the rest of you have been doing. Weight is slowly coming back down. Energy levels better. Trying to eat less. And, if I want to get out for a run with someone, I can do it without feeling like I'm going to die.

As for the family:

-- Wife is doing well. And while I "complained" up top, I'm actually incredibly proud of what she's been able to accomplish and she's in a great spot. I enjoy watching her do well. I like traveling for her races. She works less now and we are getting to enjoy more time together. I really have a lot to be thankful for. We are leaving for Hawaii early Tuesday and will be there for a little over a week. Going for a medical conference with another couple friend of ours and will be celebrating the Mrs. birthday while there. Can't wait to get a few runs in over there as well.
-- Our oldest is a senior in HS and we are going through this college search for the first time. I have a couple trips planned with him coming up at the end of this month and toward the end of November. He's got a short but varied list of choices that includes here, down south, the NE, and the west coast. We will see where that adventure brings us. After a challenging time during Covid with him, he's growing up into a wonderful young man. Has a job at Panera, doing well in school, started driving this summer, has stopped playing soccer but has gotten into rock climbing which he does 2-3x/week on his own. And hopefully will continue on this path in the right direction. I'm happy
-- Our middle one is now in 4th grade. She can be a challenge but things are in a much better spot now with her. She has transitioned from gymnastics to cheer. She loves it and it's a better fit for her. However, along with that, she has a lot of travel stuff coming up with her cheer group that is going to keep us busy between her and our youngest (will get to in a moment). Thus, starting in November, and especially from Jan-Mar, we will have something virtually every weekend and traveling out of town at least a couple times every month. This is going to be a tough stretch but I'm looking forward to it.
-- Our youngest is now in 1st grade. She is our most responsible one. It's kind of funny how that goes. She's excelling in gymnastics and is starting on a competitive team this year. It's crazy....she goes to the gym 9 hours every week! But she loves it, so we keep it up for now. Along with our middle one, we will be traveling out of town and having other meets here as well. Our calendar is pretty nuts. We will finally be able to catch our breath in April.

In addition to the above, the two youngest are also doing rec soccer and the middle one is doing some choir. I read that and it seems like SO much, but the reality is that it's pretty manageable at this point and they are enjoying all they do. That's all I can ask for. So, luckily, we've got health on our side and the time to enjoy watching them grow and do things they love doing. And that has been making my time out on my runs that much better. I either go when I take them to one of their activities or I try and go while they are in school so that it never takes away from time that I can otherwise spend with them when they are home. THAT has been the biggest thing that I don't miss about training and why I have no desire to rush back to it at this point. One hour soccer practices are perfect to get 3-4 easy miles and still catch a bit of them out there.

Sorry for the long post, been a while, but I've really enjoyed reading a lot of the more personal posts in here lately and figured it was time to share a bit on my end. Just very thankful for how things are going and looking forward to see how the rest of this year plays out. Along those lines, having seen a few of you from this thread recently and a couple more upcoming (stay tuned!), it really is amazing what this journey into running has done for all of us. Literally life changing. This is such a special group.
 
Alright, I'll jump in.

My running has taken a back seat for a long time now and I have gotten away from it for a while. There's been a few reasons for that. First is having a wife that has been running and training a lot. Ever since this marathon journey started 2 1/2 years ago, she's gotten the bug and has been going at it virtually non-stop. After the first one in Minocqua in Sept, 2020, she's now run 4 more in just over a year's time. J&J last July, Indy in November, Boston in April, Chicago last week and she is scheduled to run Mesa in February. I had an entry into it as well but I've transferred it to her Sunday long run partner (my friend that I wrote about at J&J) as one of our kids has an out of town event that weekend anyway and I don't have much interest to run it. But, basically it's been run a marathon, recover for 2-3 weeks, then start training for the next one.

Being on the other side of that is tiring. I say that only to be aware of what training is like for the significant other. I've also told her that after Mesa, she needs to have a break. Her goal at this point is to run all 6 majors which I'm on board with. And I'd actually run any/all of them with her that I'm able to get into as well. We entered the lottery for Berlin for next October, but I'm looking forward to Mesa coming and going in February and her just taking some time off from training.

Anyway, that's been one reason. Aside from the time thing, since it's hard to have both parents committing that much time to run a lot, I've just been personally "turned off" from training because of all that she's done. It's a dumb thing but it is what it is. I see her having to get out there to get a run in so she doesn't fall behind and it makes me not want to do it at all. In addition, work and other things that have been going on since I ran J&J a little over a year ago has made it tough as well. But, now with kids back in school, her work schedule being better, and a break from the summer weather and I've gotten back into a little groove.

This has been mostly from a health standpoint. I need to be active. I need to do more than I was. So, for the last month, the plan has been to do SOMETHING every day. On the days I'm not coming back from work, I'm running. That's 4 days/week. The 3 days during the week after I work overnight, I've been lifting weights. I've successfully kept that up since I started a few weeks ago. I'm in a good routine now. I feel better. Runs are enjoyable again and don't feel awful. I'm running anywhere from 3-5 miles per run and getting up to about 20 mpw which is good enough for me. And if my night of work isn't too bad, especially when the weather has been nice, I've gotten out a couple extra times. This is sustainable and it's helped me reconnect with what the rest of you have been doing. Weight is slowly coming back down. Energy levels better. Trying to eat less. And, if I want to get out for a run with someone, I can do it without feeling like I'm going to die.

As for the family:

-- Wife is doing well. And while I "complained" up top, I'm actually incredibly proud of what she's been able to accomplish and she's in a great spot. I enjoy watching her do well. I like traveling for her races. She works less now and we are getting to enjoy more time together. I really have a lot to be thankful for. We are leaving for Hawaii early Tuesday and will be there for a little over a week. Going for a medical conference with another couple friend of ours and will be celebrating the Mrs. birthday while there. Can't wait to get a few runs in over there as well.
-- Our oldest is a senior in HS and we are going through this college search for the first time. I have a couple trips planned with him coming up at the end of this month and toward the end of November. He's got a short but varied list of choices that includes here, down south, the NE, and the west coast. We will see where that adventure brings us. After a challenging time during Covid with him, he's growing up into a wonderful young man. Has a job at Panera, doing well in school, started driving this summer, has stopped playing soccer but has gotten into rock climbing which he does 2-3x/week on his own. And hopefully will continue on this path in the right direction. I'm happy
-- Our middle one is now in 4th grade. She can be a challenge but things are in a much better spot now with her. She has transitioned from gymnastics to cheer. She loves it and it's a better fit for her. However, along with that, she has a lot of travel stuff coming up with her cheer group that is going to keep us busy between her and our youngest (will get to in a moment). Thus, starting in November, and especially from Jan-Mar, we will have something virtually every weekend and traveling out of town at least a couple times every month. This is going to be a tough stretch but I'm looking forward to it.
-- Our youngest is now in 1st grade. She is our most responsible one. It's kind of funny how that goes. She's excelling in gymnastics and is starting on a competitive team this year. It's crazy....she goes to the gym 9 hours every week! But she loves it, so we keep it up for now. Along with our middle one, we will be traveling out of town and having other meets here as well. Our calendar is pretty nuts. We will finally be able to catch our breath in April.

In addition to the above, the two youngest are also doing rec soccer and the middle one is doing some choir. I read that and it seems like SO much, but the reality is that it's pretty manageable at this point and they are enjoying all they do. That's all I can ask for. So, luckily, we've got health on our side and the time to enjoy watching them grow and do things they love doing. And that has been making my time out on my runs that much better. I either go when I take them to one of their activities or I try and go while they are in school so that it never takes away from time that I can otherwise spend with them when they are home. THAT has been the biggest thing that I don't miss about training and why I have no desire to rush back to it at this point. One hour soccer practices are perfect to get 3-4 easy miles and still catch a bit of them out there.

Sorry for the long post, been a while, but I've really enjoyed reading a lot of the more personal posts in here lately and figured it was time to share a bit on my end. Just very thankful for how things are going and looking forward to see how the rest of this year plays out. Along those lines, having seen a few of you from this thread recently and a couple more upcoming (stay tuned!), it really is amazing what this journey into running has done for all of us. Literally life changing. This is such a special group.
Care to share where your oldest is looking down south? Send me a line if a trip through Huntsville is in the cards.
 
Alright, I'll jump in.

My running has taken a back seat for a long time now and I have gotten away from it for a while. There's been a few reasons for that. First is having a wife that has been running and training a lot. Ever since this marathon journey started 2 1/2 years ago, she's gotten the bug and has been going at it virtually non-stop. After the first one in Minocqua in Sept, 2020, she's now run 4 more in just over a year's time. J&J last July, Indy in November, Boston in April, Chicago last week and she is scheduled to run Mesa in February. I had an entry into it as well but I've transferred it to her Sunday long run partner (my friend that I wrote about at J&J) as one of our kids has an out of town event that weekend anyway and I don't have much interest to run it. But, basically it's been run a marathon, recover for 2-3 weeks, then start training for the next one.

Being on the other side of that is tiring. I say that only to be aware of what training is like for the significant other. I've also told her that after Mesa, she needs to have a break. Her goal at this point is to run all 6 majors which I'm on board with. And I'd actually run any/all of them with her that I'm able to get into as well. We entered the lottery for Berlin for next October, but I'm looking forward to Mesa coming and going in February and her just taking some time off from training.

Anyway, that's been one reason. Aside from the time thing, since it's hard to have both parents committing that much time to run a lot, I've just been personally "turned off" from training because of all that she's done. It's a dumb thing but it is what it is. I see her having to get out there to get a run in so she doesn't fall behind and it makes me not want to do it at all. In addition, work and other things that have been going on since I ran J&J a little over a year ago has made it tough as well. But, now with kids back in school, her work schedule being better, and a break from the summer weather and I've gotten back into a little groove.

This has been mostly from a health standpoint. I need to be active. I need to do more than I was. So, for the last month, the plan has been to do SOMETHING every day. On the days I'm not coming back from work, I'm running. That's 4 days/week. The 3 days during the week after I work overnight, I've been lifting weights. I've successfully kept that up since I started a few weeks ago. I'm in a good routine now. I feel better. Runs are enjoyable again and don't feel awful. I'm running anywhere from 3-5 miles per run and getting up to about 20 mpw which is good enough for me. And if my night of work isn't too bad, especially when the weather has been nice, I've gotten out a couple extra times. This is sustainable and it's helped me reconnect with what the rest of you have been doing. Weight is slowly coming back down. Energy levels better. Trying to eat less. And, if I want to get out for a run with someone, I can do it without feeling like I'm going to die.

As for the family:

-- Wife is doing well. And while I "complained" up top, I'm actually incredibly proud of what she's been able to accomplish and she's in a great spot. I enjoy watching her do well. I like traveling for her races. She works less now and we are getting to enjoy more time together. I really have a lot to be thankful for. We are leaving for Hawaii early Tuesday and will be there for a little over a week. Going for a medical conference with another couple friend of ours and will be celebrating the Mrs. birthday while there. Can't wait to get a few runs in over there as well.
-- Our oldest is a senior in HS and we are going through this college search for the first time. I have a couple trips planned with him coming up at the end of this month and toward the end of November. He's got a short but varied list of choices that includes here, down south, the NE, and the west coast. We will see where that adventure brings us. After a challenging time during Covid with him, he's growing up into a wonderful young man. Has a job at Panera, doing well in school, started driving this summer, has stopped playing soccer but has gotten into rock climbing which he does 2-3x/week on his own. And hopefully will continue on this path in the right direction. I'm happy
-- Our middle one is now in 4th grade. She can be a challenge but things are in a much better spot now with her. She has transitioned from gymnastics to cheer. She loves it and it's a better fit for her. However, along with that, she has a lot of travel stuff coming up with her cheer group that is going to keep us busy between her and our youngest (will get to in a moment). Thus, starting in November, and especially from Jan-Mar, we will have something virtually every weekend and traveling out of town at least a couple times every month. This is going to be a tough stretch but I'm looking forward to it.
-- Our youngest is now in 1st grade. She is our most responsible one. It's kind of funny how that goes. She's excelling in gymnastics and is starting on a competitive team this year. It's crazy....she goes to the gym 9 hours every week! But she loves it, so we keep it up for now. Along with our middle one, we will be traveling out of town and having other meets here as well. Our calendar is pretty nuts. We will finally be able to catch our breath in April.

In addition to the above, the two youngest are also doing rec soccer and the middle one is doing some choir. I read that and it seems like SO much, but the reality is that it's pretty manageable at this point and they are enjoying all they do. That's all I can ask for. So, luckily, we've got health on our side and the time to enjoy watching them grow and do things they love doing. And that has been making my time out on my runs that much better. I either go when I take them to one of their activities or I try and go while they are in school so that it never takes away from time that I can otherwise spend with them when they are home. THAT has been the biggest thing that I don't miss about training and why I have no desire to rush back to it at this point. One hour soccer practices are perfect to get 3-4 easy miles and still catch a bit of them out there.

Sorry for the long post, been a while, but I've really enjoyed reading a lot of the more personal posts in here lately and figured it was time to share a bit on my end. Just very thankful for how things are going and looking forward to see how the rest of this year plays out. Along those lines, having seen a few of you from this thread recently and a couple more upcoming (stay tuned!), it really is amazing what this journey into running has done for all of us. Literally life changing. This is such a special group.
Care to share where your oldest is looking down south? Send me a line if a trip through Huntsville is in the cards.
We are actually going to New Orleans to visit Tulane. Luckily my neck of the woods I'm familiar with having lived there for a few years. Unfortunately not heading through Huntsville. But if we ever do....
 
@gianmarco , you certainly understand, then, why I didn't get into marathoning until my kids were older and more independent. During the years where my kids/family busy like yours, I was happy enough to use lunchtime at the university to squeeze in a workout and then catch something longer on the weekends (early Sat morning). The training supported one triathlon each summer and maybe a couple running races, and that was enough. Gotta find that balance, right?
 
@gianmarco , you certainly understand, then, why I didn't get into marathoning until my kids were older and more independent. During the years where my kids/family busy like yours, I was happy enough to use lunchtime at the university to squeeze in a workout and then catch something longer on the weekends (early Sat morning). The training supported one triathlon each summer and maybe a couple running races, and that was enough. Gotta find that balance, right?
Yep. Even with a more flexible morning schedule, marathons and any tri over an Olympic is very time consuming with kids in the house. HMs are manageable. I’d love to do another full IM. And frankly, the race itself isn’t the issue.
 
I’m not running marathons either - but that’s because they sound hard.
Hell, if I can do one ANYONE can do one.

yeah, I was making a dumb joke that fell flat.

What goes on in this thread is amazing - because so many of you are such beasts that it becomes almost under appreciated - 3k just finished freaking Kona. Its inspiring to even those of us who aren’t really runners.
 
So I have a kids athletic question - figured I would post it here because I know you all will give me solid advice/thoughts.

My 17 year old son is on the football team at school. He is a junior.

The varsity team did not have a kicker coming into this season, so my son (a soccer player), noticed that after LAST season and worked all winter, spring and summer to learn how to kick so he could try out. When fall came, nobody else came out and by virtue of that he is on the varsity football team.

He's a very accurate kicker. I went to the field a few times with him, and pretty much anything inside about a 35 yard field goal and he's money. He has hit longer kicks but not as accurate. His kick offs need work - they kick from their forty and he can get it to at least the 20. But they have also taught him squib kicks and he's gotten them to the 5 yard line or so.

But he knows that is something he will have to work on in the offseason. As far as kicking goes, he is 6 for 8 in extra points. Of the two that didn't make it, one was a bad snap and the other was blocked. He had no chance - his school is very undersized for the competition they face, so their O-Line is really not that good. He had three guys literally on his foot when he kicked the ball.

His team is really bad - routinely getting blown out. If he's lucky he gets to kick a couple times a game. One kickoff and if they score he gets an extra point.

Fast forward to last week, and the head coach decides to bring up the freshman kicker. Admittedly, this kicker has a big leg, so he's good at kickoffs but not as accurate as my son. So the coach decides that the two of them were going to have a kicking competition every week to see who gets to kick in the Friday night game. So the freshman makes one more extra point so he gets to kick.

So my son is pretty pissed because he's really done nothing wrong to lose his spot. And he's a junior and the other kid is a freshman.

Fast forward to this week, and the coach never holds the kicking competition. They both show up for the game Friday night and the coach tells the freshman kid he gets to kick.

So my son comes home from the game and is really upset. As are me and my wife. We tell him just go ask the coach what you have done wrong to lose your spot. So he goes to film yesterday morning and the coach basically says: "we are gonna go with the younger boy because he's the future of the program." WHAT???

Now I'm PISSED. This kid is going to be there 3 more years and my son will only be there one more year. And this team is REALLY bad. Like getting blown out 56-7 bad almost every week. The only game they won my son was 3-3 on extra points and had good kickoffs.

On top of that, the coach calls out the freshman kicker in front of the team and says how great a job he's doing and how he's meshing with the team really well. Essentially showing absolutely no respect to my son, who literally has done nothing wrong and has actually performed really well.

Now Mama Chief is effing pissed. And me too. The coaches have basically told my son you have no chance to be the kicker so whatever. So what do we do here?

My initial advice when this was going down two weeks ago was: "Look, this is high school football. So the coaches are going to do whatever you want. So just win the kicking competition every week and then work your *** off next offseason so they don't have to think twice about using you."

But the way they have basically ghosted him is really sticking in my crawl. Do we arrange a meeting with the coach and ask him WTF is wrong with you? Or just leave it alone and let the chips fall where they may. My son is CRUSHED. Like, in tears crushed. Thus, I am crushed for him

I will also add these coaches are really bad. Their team is badly undersized as I mentioned. Routinely 50-60lbs underweight per man on their o-line and d-line. They simply cannot keep up physically. Yet when they come off the field the coaches are routinely throwing F-bombs and screaming in their faces. We can hear this from the stands. They have pissed off many of the team members. I could tell you more stories but you get the point.

I know in my heart my son is screwed. We are trying to tell him that sometimes life isn't fair and you will deal with these kind of people the rest of your life. My son doesn't want us to interfere because he thinks they will use it against him next year when he tries out. He's most certainly correct there. I want to go up there and go nuclear on that guy right now.

I need some advice here if you can give it. Thanks all.
 
The coach's decision does seem logical, even if his process is flawed. Talking to him won't change anything and could hurt your son's chances.

I'd hate to encourage anyone to quit, but it seems pointless to put in another nine months of offseason work for a competition where he's guaranteed not to get a fair chance, and the grand prize is kicking meaningless extra points for a football program going nowhere.
 
Damn @ChiefD sorry for the situation. Can your kid keep practicing/getting reps in practice - I’d guess the snap/hold/kick reps might be limited but can he set up a ball holder and a bag of balls and get work in during practice? He might be able to contribute in some way as a holder or backup, who knows what happens with the freshman in a game or the team or the coaches.
 
Damn @ChiefD sorry for the situation. Can your kid keep practicing/getting reps in practice - I’d guess the snap/hold/kick reps might be limited but can he set up a ball holder and a bag of balls and get work in during practice? He might be able to contribute in some way as a holder or backup, who knows what happens with the freshman in a game or the team or the coaches.
Yeah, he still works and can kick off to the side. One thing we have stressed to him is its not the other boys fault. So he needs to support him and be a good teammate no matter how you feel. And he’s been very helpful as best he can.

I just hate when a kid gets demoted for not doing anything wrong. We all know its a lesson in life, and getting beat by someone better than you is just sports. He understands THAT.

But this coach is being so callous about it. Thats what I have a problem with.
 
@ChiefD - is he bringing up the freshman from the JV team? Can your son kick there? Or is that humiliating?

I don’t see a good path here for your son and you going nuclear isn’t going to help.

If your son doesn’t want you to get involved, THEN DON’T GET INVOLVED. You want your son to know you respect his wishes and for him to trust you to listen to him. This isn’t worth breaking that trust with him.
 
@gianmarco Hanson’s doesn’t recommend racing more than 3 marathons every 2 years. I run a lot of marathons but only race one a year. If someone races more then 3 in 2 years, burnout, injury, etc., are all much more likely to happen. I think a break after Mesa is a very good decision.
 
Damn @ChiefD sorry for the situation. Can your kid keep practicing/getting reps in practice - I’d guess the snap/hold/kick reps might be limited but can he set up a ball holder and a bag of balls and get work in during practice? He might be able to contribute in some way as a holder or backup, who knows what happens with the freshman in a game or the team or the coaches.
Yeah, he still works and can kick off to the side. One thing we have stressed to him is its not the other boys fault. So he needs to support him and be a good teammate no matter how you feel. And he’s been very helpful as best he can.

I just hate when a kid gets demoted for not doing anything wrong. We all know its a lesson in life, and getting beat by someone better than you is just sports. He understands THAT.

But this coach is being so callous about it. Thats what I have a problem with.
It’s easy for me to suggest this from the cheap seats, but it falls in line with what you state here. The thought is: Accept it …even, embrace it. Have your son help the newbie to develop his skills and succeed. Give him advice; help him get extra reps. The newbie benefits from the support (and hopefully is impacted with a positive life lesson). Your son benefits by assisting the kid, which turns a negative into a positive. And ideally, others on the team also are impacted by your son’s selfless action (maybe even the SOB coach). It takes a real BMF to approach it this way. But to mangle an analogy, your son’s apple doesn’t fall far from his dad’s BMF tree.
 
So I have a kids athletic question - figured I would post it here because I know you all will give me solid advice/thoughts.

My 17 year old son is on the football team at school. He is a junior.

The varsity team did not have a kicker coming into this season, so my son (a soccer player), noticed that after LAST season and worked all winter, spring and summer to learn how to kick so he could try out. When fall came, nobody else came out and by virtue of that he is on the varsity football team.

He's a very accurate kicker. I went to the field a few times with him, and pretty much anything inside about a 35 yard field goal and he's money. He has hit longer kicks but not as accurate. His kick offs need work - they kick from their forty and he can get it to at least the 20. But they have also taught him squib kicks and he's gotten them to the 5 yard line or so.

But he knows that is something he will have to work on in the offseason. As far as kicking goes, he is 6 for 8 in extra points. Of the two that didn't make it, one was a bad snap and the other was blocked. He had no chance - his school is very undersized for the competition they face, so their O-Line is really not that good. He had three guys literally on his foot when he kicked the ball.

His team is really bad - routinely getting blown out. If he's lucky he gets to kick a couple times a game. One kickoff and if they score he gets an extra point.

Fast forward to last week, and the head coach decides to bring up the freshman kicker. Admittedly, this kicker has a big leg, so he's good at kickoffs but not as accurate as my son. So the coach decides that the two of them were going to have a kicking competition every week to see who gets to kick in the Friday night game. So the freshman makes one more extra point so he gets to kick.

So my son is pretty pissed because he's really done nothing wrong to lose his spot. And he's a junior and the other kid is a freshman.

Fast forward to this week, and the coach never holds the kicking competition. They both show up for the game Friday night and the coach tells the freshman kid he gets to kick.

So my son comes home from the game and is really upset. As are me and my wife. We tell him just go ask the coach what you have done wrong to lose your spot. So he goes to film yesterday morning and the coach basically says: "we are gonna go with the younger boy because he's the future of the program." WHAT???

Now I'm PISSED. This kid is going to be there 3 more years and my son will only be there one more year. And this team is REALLY bad. Like getting blown out 56-7 bad almost every week. The only game they won my son was 3-3 on extra points and had good kickoffs.

On top of that, the coach calls out the freshman kicker in front of the team and says how great a job he's doing and how he's meshing with the team really well. Essentially showing absolutely no respect to my son, who literally has done nothing wrong and has actually performed really well.

Now Mama Chief is effing pissed. And me too. The coaches have basically told my son you have no chance to be the kicker so whatever. So what do we do here?

My initial advice when this was going down two weeks ago was: "Look, this is high school football. So the coaches are going to do whatever you want. So just win the kicking competition every week and then work your *** off next offseason so they don't have to think twice about using you."

But the way they have basically ghosted him is really sticking in my crawl. Do we arrange a meeting with the coach and ask him WTF is wrong with you? Or just leave it alone and let the chips fall where they may. My son is CRUSHED. Like, in tears crushed. Thus, I am crushed for him

I will also add these coaches are really bad. Their team is badly undersized as I mentioned. Routinely 50-60lbs underweight per man on their o-line and d-line. They simply cannot keep up physically. Yet when they come off the field the coaches are routinely throwing F-bombs and screaming in their faces. We can hear this from the stands. They have pissed off many of the team members. I could tell you more stories but you get the point.

I know in my heart my son is screwed. We are trying to tell him that sometimes life isn't fair and you will deal with these kind of people the rest of your life. My son doesn't want us to interfere because he thinks they will use it against him next year when he tries out. He's most certainly correct there. I want to go up there and go nuclear on that guy right now.

I need some advice here if you can give it. Thanks all.

Does your son LIKE being on the team and his teammates? If so, stick it out this year and then reevaluate.

If he doesn't really like it and saw what he was doing as being helpful and just being a good person because they needed a kicker, then him politely bowing out is acceptable in my opinion.

Circumstances completely changed, so this is a new decision that HE needs to make. Stay or go, and if he decides to stay, then he needs to see it through and be a good influence on the young kid (as you mentioned).
 
2 nerdy run things I’ve been enjoying.

1- dropped a paid plan into final surge app/site and have been liking it a lot. Can move, tweak, push workouts to watch. Might have to use for specific training next year.

2- Peters race pacer data field for watch. This I think was discussed before. Took me awhile to figure out how to get it to sync and then configure but now I got it and can help if desired. It has you enter some pre-run distance, pace, finish time values and then either by auto lap or manual lap will recalc some smart fields to inform ‘perfect pace’, ahead/behind of finish. I tried it on a long run and will mess with it more.

:coffeecup:
 
Alright, I'll jump in.

My running has taken a back seat for a long time now and I have gotten away from it for a while. There's been a few reasons for that. First is having a wife that has been running and training a lot. Ever since this marathon journey started 2 1/2 years ago, she's gotten the bug and has been going at it virtually non-stop. After the first one in Minocqua in Sept, 2020, she's now run 4 more in just over a year's time. J&J last July, Indy in November, Boston in April, Chicago last week and she is scheduled to run Mesa in February. I had an entry into it as well but I've transferred it to her Sunday long run partner (my friend that I wrote about at J&J) as one of our kids has an out of town event that weekend anyway and I don't have much interest to run it. But, basically it's been run a marathon, recover for 2-3 weeks, then start training for the next one.

Being on the other side of that is tiring. I say that only to be aware of what training is like for the significant other. I've also told her that after Mesa, she needs to have a break. Her goal at this point is to run all 6 majors which I'm on board with. And I'd actually run any/all of them with her that I'm able to get into as well. We entered the lottery for Berlin for next October, but I'm looking forward to Mesa coming and going in February and her just taking some time off from training.

Anyway, that's been one reason. Aside from the time thing, since it's hard to have both parents committing that much time to run a lot, I've just been personally "turned off" from training because of all that she's done. It's a dumb thing but it is what it is. I see her having to get out there to get a run in so she doesn't fall behind and it makes me not want to do it at all. In addition, work and other things that have been going on since I ran J&J a little over a year ago has made it tough as well. But, now with kids back in school, her work schedule being better, and a break from the summer weather and I've gotten back into a little groove.

This has been mostly from a health standpoint. I need to be active. I need to do more than I was. So, for the last month, the plan has been to do SOMETHING every day. On the days I'm not coming back from work, I'm running. That's 4 days/week. The 3 days during the week after I work overnight, I've been lifting weights. I've successfully kept that up since I started a few weeks ago. I'm in a good routine now. I feel better. Runs are enjoyable again and don't feel awful. I'm running anywhere from 3-5 miles per run and getting up to about 20 mpw which is good enough for me. And if my night of work isn't too bad, especially when the weather has been nice, I've gotten out a couple extra times. This is sustainable and it's helped me reconnect with what the rest of you have been doing. Weight is slowly coming back down. Energy levels better. Trying to eat less. And, if I want to get out for a run with someone, I can do it without feeling like I'm going to die.

As for the family:

-- Wife is doing well. And while I "complained" up top, I'm actually incredibly proud of what she's been able to accomplish and she's in a great spot. I enjoy watching her do well. I like traveling for her races. She works less now and we are getting to enjoy more time together. I really have a lot to be thankful for. We are leaving for Hawaii early Tuesday and will be there for a little over a week. Going for a medical conference with another couple friend of ours and will be celebrating the Mrs. birthday while there. Can't wait to get a few runs in over there as well.
-- Our oldest is a senior in HS and we are going through this college search for the first time. I have a couple trips planned with him coming up at the end of this month and toward the end of November. He's got a short but varied list of choices that includes here, down south, the NE, and the west coast. We will see where that adventure brings us. After a challenging time during Covid with him, he's growing up into a wonderful young man. Has a job at Panera, doing well in school, started driving this summer, has stopped playing soccer but has gotten into rock climbing which he does 2-3x/week on his own. And hopefully will continue on this path in the right direction. I'm happy
-- Our middle one is now in 4th grade. She can be a challenge but things are in a much better spot now with her. She has transitioned from gymnastics to cheer. She loves it and it's a better fit for her. However, along with that, she has a lot of travel stuff coming up with her cheer group that is going to keep us busy between her and our youngest (will get to in a moment). Thus, starting in November, and especially from Jan-Mar, we will have something virtually every weekend and traveling out of town at least a couple times every month. This is going to be a tough stretch but I'm looking forward to it.
-- Our youngest is now in 1st grade. She is our most responsible one. It's kind of funny how that goes. She's excelling in gymnastics and is starting on a competitive team this year. It's crazy....she goes to the gym 9 hours every week! But she loves it, so we keep it up for now. Along with our middle one, we will be traveling out of town and having other meets here as well. Our calendar is pretty nuts. We will finally be able to catch our breath in April.

In addition to the above, the two youngest are also doing rec soccer and the middle one is doing some choir. I read that and it seems like SO much, but the reality is that it's pretty manageable at this point and they are enjoying all they do. That's all I can ask for. So, luckily, we've got health on our side and the time to enjoy watching them grow and do things they love doing. And that has been making my time out on my runs that much better. I either go when I take them to one of their activities or I try and go while they are in school so that it never takes away from time that I can otherwise spend with them when they are home. THAT has been the biggest thing that I don't miss about training and why I have no desire to rush back to it at this point. One hour soccer practices are perfect to get 3-4 easy miles and still catch a bit of them out there.

Sorry for the long post, been a while, but I've really enjoyed reading a lot of the more personal posts in here lately and figured it was time to share a bit on my end. Just very thankful for how things are going and looking forward to see how the rest of this year plays out. Along those lines, having seen a few of you from this thread recently and a couple more upcoming (stay tuned!), it really is amazing what this journey into running has done for all of us. Literally life changing. This is such a special group.
How you can write ALL of this and not mention me even once is really disappointing. 💔
 
@ChiefD - is he bringing up the freshman from the JV team? Can your son kick there? Or is that humiliating?

I don’t see a good path here for your son and you going nuclear isn’t going to help.

If your son doesn’t want you to get involved, THEN DON’T GET INVOLVED. You want your son to know you respect his wishes and for him to trust you to listen to him. This isn’t worth breaking that trust with him.
Yeah, I will be doing what my son requests.

The coaches asked my son to kick for the JV tonight, which he is going to do. I told him that's great - continue to kick and make kicks and perfect your craft. He's not happy about it but he's not a quitter. And he's going to take this opportunity to work hard. This is the first time I've seen him WANT to work to achieve something athletically, so I'm not going to stop that enthusiasm.
 
Does your son LIKE being on the team and his teammates? If so, stick it out this year and then reevaluate.

If he doesn't really like it and saw what he was doing as being helpful and just being a good person because they needed a kicker, then him politely bowing out is acceptable in my opinion.

Circumstances completely changed, so this is a new decision that HE needs to make. Stay or go, and if he decides to stay, then he needs to see it through and be a good influence on the young kid (as you mentioned).
Yeah, he loves being a part of the team and his teammates seem to like him. This is the first year he has EVER played football. So all of this is new to him and us. He's the perfect teammate - always works hard and is encouraging - everything you want your kid to be.

His goal right now is to work his *** off in the offseason and let the chips fall where they may. If he gets beat out by the better man than so be it. And he understands that. He's just having a really hard time getting demoted for literally no reason other than the kid is younger.

This is high school - not the NFL. :lol:
 
It’s easy for me to suggest this from the cheap seats, but it falls in line with what you state here. The thought is: Accept it …even, embrace it. Have your son help the newbie to develop his skills and succeed. Give him advice; help him get extra reps. The newbie benefits from the support (and hopefully is impacted with a positive life lesson). Your son benefits by assisting the kid, which turns a negative into a positive. And ideally, others on the team also are impacted by your son’s selfless action (maybe even the SOB coach). It takes a real BMF to approach it this way. But to mangle an analogy, your son’s apple doesn’t fall far from his dad’s BMF tree.
That's what he's doing for now. The hard part is the coach has essentially dismissed my son as irrelevent. He will be kicking in the JV game tonight though, so at least he gets to play.

Another caveat: these coaches are new to the program this year. And from my perspective these guys are in way over their heads. In my kids sporting life I have never intervened on anything and probably won't here. But some of their coaching decisions are really bizarre and our son isn't the only boy getting this kind of treatment.
 
Alright, I'll jump in.

My running has taken a back seat for a long time now and I have gotten away from it for a while. There's been a few reasons for that. First is having a wife that has been running and training a lot. Ever since this marathon journey started 2 1/2 years ago, she's gotten the bug and has been going at it virtually non-stop. After the first one in Minocqua in Sept, 2020, she's now run 4 more in just over a year's time. J&J last July, Indy in November, Boston in April, Chicago last week and she is scheduled to run Mesa in February. I had an entry into it as well but I've transferred it to her Sunday long run partner (my friend that I wrote about at J&J) as one of our kids has an out of town event that weekend anyway and I don't have much interest to run it. But, basically it's been run a marathon, recover for 2-3 weeks, then start training for the next one.

Being on the other side of that is tiring. I say that only to be aware of what training is like for the significant other. I've also told her that after Mesa, she needs to have a break. Her goal at this point is to run all 6 majors which I'm on board with. And I'd actually run any/all of them with her that I'm able to get into as well. We entered the lottery for Berlin for next October, but I'm looking forward to Mesa coming and going in February and her just taking some time off from training.

Anyway, that's been one reason. Aside from the time thing, since it's hard to have both parents committing that much time to run a lot, I've just been personally "turned off" from training because of all that she's done. It's a dumb thing but it is what it is. I see her having to get out there to get a run in so she doesn't fall behind and it makes me not want to do it at all. In addition, work and other things that have been going on since I ran J&J a little over a year ago has made it tough as well. But, now with kids back in school, her work schedule being better, and a break from the summer weather and I've gotten back into a little groove.

This has been mostly from a health standpoint. I need to be active. I need to do more than I was. So, for the last month, the plan has been to do SOMETHING every day. On the days I'm not coming back from work, I'm running. That's 4 days/week. The 3 days during the week after I work overnight, I've been lifting weights. I've successfully kept that up since I started a few weeks ago. I'm in a good routine now. I feel better. Runs are enjoyable again and don't feel awful. I'm running anywhere from 3-5 miles per run and getting up to about 20 mpw which is good enough for me. And if my night of work isn't too bad, especially when the weather has been nice, I've gotten out a couple extra times. This is sustainable and it's helped me reconnect with what the rest of you have been doing. Weight is slowly coming back down. Energy levels better. Trying to eat less. And, if I want to get out for a run with someone, I can do it without feeling like I'm going to die.

As for the family:

-- Wife is doing well. And while I "complained" up top, I'm actually incredibly proud of what she's been able to accomplish and she's in a great spot. I enjoy watching her do well. I like traveling for her races. She works less now and we are getting to enjoy more time together. I really have a lot to be thankful for. We are leaving for Hawaii early Tuesday and will be there for a little over a week. Going for a medical conference with another couple friend of ours and will be celebrating the Mrs. birthday while there. Can't wait to get a few runs in over there as well.
-- Our oldest is a senior in HS and we are going through this college search for the first time. I have a couple trips planned with him coming up at the end of this month and toward the end of November. He's got a short but varied list of choices that includes here, down south, the NE, and the west coast. We will see where that adventure brings us. After a challenging time during Covid with him, he's growing up into a wonderful young man. Has a job at Panera, doing well in school, started driving this summer, has stopped playing soccer but has gotten into rock climbing which he does 2-3x/week on his own. And hopefully will continue on this path in the right direction. I'm happy
-- Our middle one is now in 4th grade. She can be a challenge but things are in a much better spot now with her. She has transitioned from gymnastics to cheer. She loves it and it's a better fit for her. However, along with that, she has a lot of travel stuff coming up with her cheer group that is going to keep us busy between her and our youngest (will get to in a moment). Thus, starting in November, and especially from Jan-Mar, we will have something virtually every weekend and traveling out of town at least a couple times every month. This is going to be a tough stretch but I'm looking forward to it.
-- Our youngest is now in 1st grade. She is our most responsible one. It's kind of funny how that goes. She's excelling in gymnastics and is starting on a competitive team this year. It's crazy....she goes to the gym 9 hours every week! But she loves it, so we keep it up for now. Along with our middle one, we will be traveling out of town and having other meets here as well. Our calendar is pretty nuts. We will finally be able to catch our breath in April.

In addition to the above, the two youngest are also doing rec soccer and the middle one is doing some choir. I read that and it seems like SO much, but the reality is that it's pretty manageable at this point and they are enjoying all they do. That's all I can ask for. So, luckily, we've got health on our side and the time to enjoy watching them grow and do things they love doing. And that has been making my time out on my runs that much better. I either go when I take them to one of their activities or I try and go while they are in school so that it never takes away from time that I can otherwise spend with them when they are home. THAT has been the biggest thing that I don't miss about training and why I have no desire to rush back to it at this point. One hour soccer practices are perfect to get 3-4 easy miles and still catch a bit of them out there.

Sorry for the long post, been a while, but I've really enjoyed reading a lot of the more personal posts in here lately and figured it was time to share a bit on my end. Just very thankful for how things are going and looking forward to see how the rest of this year plays out. Along those lines, having seen a few of you from this thread recently and a couple more upcoming (stay tuned!), it really is amazing what this journey into running has done for all of us. Literally life changing. This is such a special group.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that @gruecd and I still text regularly.
 

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