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RB Alexander Mattison, MIA (1 Viewer)
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Birdie048
Footballguy
Agreed. Moved him for Kamara today. So I feel good about it.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Oof, have him on too many teams. CJ Ham has now supplanted him
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
Wow!
Not sure he'd be any better. Mattison is pretty meh, but being down to your 8th OL in week 2 would be a recipe for disaster even if they had Derrick Henry.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Sure likes to fumble
They say do what you're good at.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
As much as I’m pissed about getting three points and sitting players that will almost certainly do better this week, objectively he’s in on 85% of the plays. That’s hard to find in todays league.
It’s true, but he looks about as elusive as a cow. He’s probably got another game or two of looking less than pedestrian and he’s going to start losing work quickly.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Yeah I agree. My other options sure aren’t great though. I changed last minute and sat Pacheco for him especially considering Pacheco splits with two other guys. The Vikings can score points. He’ll get chances. Still a decent low end RB 2 assuming you’re strong elsewhere.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, but to who? Ty Chandler doesn't look like an answer.
need2know
Footballguy
Not for long
Birdie048
Footballguy
You did notice that Cousins has thrown 44 passes each game so far (granted only 2 weeks). He is only behind Mac Jones pace for attempts (54 per game).
Cousins in on pace > 740 pass attempts this season .. .that is the Minn solution ...No RB needed ... unless they pick up a 3rd Down Pass Catching RB (JD McKissic or Hunt?)
Mattison is averaging 5 targets per game.. it is not a role he is suited for in this offense ...
zamboni
Footballguy
Chandler might not be the answer either, but wouldn’t surprise me if he’s given a chance to show whether he is.
Chaka
Footballguy
I appreciate your glass half full attitude. The world needs more of that.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I was hoping I might be wrong but Mattison has been worse than I expected, and I wasnt expecting him to be good.
I am also not impressed with Chandler. There was some preseason buzz about the team liking him, but I dont see him being the answer either.
If this continues Myles Gaskin may get a shot to see if he is better than these guys. As a player Miami did not want to keep, not much reason to be optimistic about that either. Its not like Miami is loaded at the position.
No matter who it is the offensive line needs to play better than they have, and not much reason to expect that either. Getting Darrisaw back in the lineup would help, but thats just trying to get back to square one. The line is still weak in the middle even if they get Bradbury back.
Maybe Kareem Hunt would be an upgrade? That wouldnt be hard to imagine.
This is the bed the GM and coaches have made for the Vikings. Just going to have to live with it now. No reason to really expect them to change their priorities either. This is the "plan". Chandler was their "guy".
Offensive linemen tend to take a couple seasons before they start playing at their peak level even if the Vikings decide to invest more into that. So free agency or trades would be the only quick fixes possible and that is at least a year away from maybe happening.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The Eagles have a strong defensive line. Only a few teams similarly as good as them there.
The Vikings offensive line is not good though. Their starting tackles are decent but they are weak in the middle and no reason to expect that to change.
Every RB needs blocking to be successful, I agree with you there and in a relative sense Mattison should have better opportunities vs defenses not as strong on defensive line as the Eagles, where the Vikings offensive line is not as outmatched. I still dont expect better to be what you would call good.
Good RB need blocking too, but they are able to overcome weak blocking more than average or bad RBs can.
jurrassic
Footballguy
I own him. Didn't play him. I don't think he looks that bad. I don't know who could run behind that line. He doesn't have the 4.3 burst but I don't see Chandler being any more successful. Mattison is getting tackled 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He's a matchup play, like 80% of fantasy players. The benefit is he's on a high powered offense that will have scoring opportunities. He's arguably played against two top 5 d-lines in the previous two games.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The Vikes are running a lot less this year.
Might be matchup. Might be by design. IIRC they were expected to run less.
They came out and at 0-0 didn’t run once the 1st series.
Regardless, Mattison looks like a plodder who has ball security issues. I’d be very concerned if I rostered him. Next week against the chargers will be telling. A bad game against a weak run D & Ty Chandler & CJ Ham will be seeing the field more. Maybe they bring in Hunt. Who knows.
Might be matchup. Might be by design. IIRC they were expected to run less.
They came out and at 0-0 didn’t run once the 1st series.
Regardless, Mattison looks like a plodder who has ball security issues. I’d be very concerned if I rostered him. Next week against the chargers will be telling. A bad game against a weak run D & Ty Chandler & CJ Ham will be seeing the field more. Maybe they bring in Hunt. Who knows.
jurrassic
Footballguy
Ty Chandler has 4 carries for 0 yards on the season. Last year he had 6 for 20. Incredibly limited sample size obviously, but is this just "loving the back-up"? It's not like other historical situations where the back-up has come in and looked way better. I think it's telling he has gotten very few opportunities, but he also hasn't done anything with them.
This may turn into a complete stay-away.
This may turn into a complete stay-away.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Interior line is terrible, no RB is getting anything to work with, and it wouldn’t be any different with Hunt or Fournette if they got back there and tried. I still like Chandler though, he’s faster than Mattison. Just needs opportunity (which he hasn’t had much of thus far) and some blocking. I wouldn’t hold his lack of participation as a rookie against him, considering they had Dalvin Cook starting and Kene Nwangwu on KR duty so there wasn’t much need for Chandler to be active on game days.
As a Chandler owner I’m still holding to see what their offense looks like against less formidable defensive fronts. I wouldn’t drop Mattison either, but would hesitate to start him in fantasy if I had him.
As a Chandler owner I’m still holding to see what their offense looks like against less formidable defensive fronts. I wouldn’t drop Mattison either, but would hesitate to start him in fantasy if I had him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
really? He averaged 3.8 ypc in 2022 and 3.7 ypc in 2021.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Possibly.
IMO that’s TBD. But in theory, yes.
If MIN continues to show a lack of interest in running the ball, or continues to get down in games, I’m not sure it’s gonna matter.
That's why I said slightly. I expect him to be flex-worthy most weeks. Nothing special, but usable.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm onboard with that, but when Cook left there were plenty who thought he was going to be great and I disagreed.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
I don't have any stocks of Mattison, but watching the game last night their o-line is brutal. Kirk is getting smacked on every play.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Mattison also looked slow and plodding.
Even on his longer runs where he wasn’t touched for 3-4 yards, at no point did I ever see him as a threat to break a long run. His longest was like 8 yards and it looked like he was running in sand.
In the in-game topic many commented about how heavy his shoes looked, etc.
I’m interested to see what he does against the chargers, but to my eye he looks stiff, doesn’t have a lot of wiggle, and isn’t fast. He also didn’t show good burst to the hole.
I don’t have shares anywhere - got him on the cheap then dealt him away on the hype value bubble. Glad I did so far.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not exactly a flattering recap here:
Golden Gopher
Footballguy
Ummm, you could stick Emmitt Smith behind that line, in his prime, and he would struggle. Bringing someone else in isn't the answer. I'm not saying Mattison is great, but the line is the real problem here. Cousins is getting hit more than any other QB in the league (this year and last), and when they hand it off to Mattison, he's hit more often than not well behind the line of scrimmage. If they bring anybody in off the street, it needs to be a FA lineman. Risner, etc. Preferably multiple linemen.
Even if they do fix the line somewhat, I see a very pass-heavy offense this year. Cousins may very well lead the league in passing yards (if he manages to somehow stay on the field). Mattison is what he is... A poor man's Cook. He can do a lot of the same things Cook did, but he's not as electric/explosive as Cook was. Behind an average or better line, the difference would be minimal. Behind a well below average line, his limitations are glaringly obvious.
Even if they do fix the line somewhat, I see a very pass-heavy offense this year. Cousins may very well lead the league in passing yards (if he manages to somehow stay on the field). Mattison is what he is... A poor man's Cook. He can do a lot of the same things Cook did, but he's not as electric/explosive as Cook was. Behind an average or better line, the difference would be minimal. Behind a well below average line, his limitations are glaringly obvious.
Golden Gopher
Footballguy
And, yeah, I think Chandler should play more. Not because he's better than Mattison. But he's got a different skillset. He's quicker, but not as big/strong. Mix it up a little. It certainly can't hurt. Think of it as a mediocre version of thunder/lightning. I think both guys are at their best in small doses (neither are the kind of backs that you want to see getting 20+ touches per game).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's why most people don't rank Emmitt Smith anywhere near the top of all-time RB rankings, even though he is the all-time leader in rushing yards. People are smart enough to know that Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Walter Payton were better RBs. If ES was on a team with a lesser line he wouldn't even be in the HOF. I don't think people feel the same way about Brown, Sanders, ande Payton.
Golden Gopher
Footballguy
Fair point. That was just the first name that came to mind. My point was that you could stick pretty much anyone behind that line, and they would have a tough time finding space to make a play. Barry Sanders may be one of the few exceptions. But, I'm not trying to get off-topic here. Mattison is nothing special. But, he's not terrible, either. The O-line, on the other hand, is really bad, and Mattison basically had no chance on most of his carries.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
True elite RBs will get theirs regardless, just as Jim Brown Barry Sanders, and Walter Payton did all those years. There are more too. It's when the RB is average that I agree with you. Key words here "True elite". As a more recent example, Jonathan Taylor. People here want to rag on the Colts OL, and I agree their trouble is mostly in pass protection, but it's basically the same line. Anthony Constonzo retired in January, 2021. The year that JT went off (2021) Quentin Nelson, their best OL, especially run blocking, missed 4 games on IR and Braden Smith, their 2nd best OL missed 6 games.
footballpanda
Footballguy
Was this not extremely predictable? Your low end RB2 went against a top 5 defense, had a poor game and now people are trying to cut bait 2 games in?
All we really learned is he didn’t make some magical jump into an RB1 during the off-season. Jury is still out if he can smash soft defenses and finish with RB2 numbers but usage looks fine and gets targets in the passing game.
All we really learned is he didn’t make some magical jump into an RB1 during the off-season. Jury is still out if he can smash soft defenses and finish with RB2 numbers but usage looks fine and gets targets in the passing game.
dipandglide
Footballguy
I'm considering throwing some stink bids out in leagues where I need more RB depth.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
All good points.
I think the issue people have is that he should have at least passed the eye test. He should look capable. He shouldn't look slow. The soft factor of bad ball security is just icing on top of that sh** cake.
I don't think anyone expected him to have massive games against tough defenses, but I do believe it's fair to expect him to pass the eye test if one took him as their RB2. He shouldn't look like a plodder. He should display good vision, capable hands, a little explosiveness on the few times he did run uncontested out the gate. At a very minimum, don't lose 2 sloppy fumbles (the 2nd was softer & more egregious but he was bailed out by a penalty).
I feel like people are bailing because he actively looked bad while producing poorly, not because he produced poorly.
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Pretty much spot on. Looked like Lav Murray without the power. Plus two fumbles
i dunno does anyone look all that good producing a 30 yards on 8 carries stat line
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Phenomenal handcuff back in the day. Can’t be the guy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
2 weeks in a row.
What you said is somewhat true, but it is possible to look competent & get game scripted out, or to show burst or speed while getting swarmed by a good defense.
Mattison just looks meh. To the point that I believe he made the PHI run defense look better for it.
