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RB Alvin Kamara, NO (1 Viewer)

Would anyone believe me if I told them Kamara never rushed for 1,000 yds ever in a season?
21 TDs in 2020...since then he hasn't scored 21 TDs total in 3 seasons combined
81+ catches every year his 1st 4 seasons, that's where he made his living

83/1688/21TDs - 2020
47/1337/9TDs - 2021
57/1387/4 TDs - 2022...he had some injuries and then he also was suspended part of the season last year
75/1,160/6 TD - 2023

-What I take from these stats is the big drop off in total yds last season despite 75 catches, how is that going to get better in 2024?
I always like the name Kamara on Draft Day, especially as a RB2/3 but he no longer can be thought of as a sleeper RB1, it doesn't add up.
The QB is definitely a problem, not that much amazing talent around him and his TD opportunities since Coach Sean left, not the same.
He still likely will catch 60+ balls if he stays healthy and gets enough snaps. 4.0/3.9 yds per carry last 2 years, that's not promising.
All time low in yds per catch last season.

He's on the down side, no matter where you decide to take him in the Draft
In my main league he was RB8 in points per game. I'm not expecting him to be CMC, but I'll take that production for where is going in drafts and auctions.

Sure, his best days are probably behind him but he should eat in that offense.
I'm not a hater, just stating the facts and stats, was anything you disagreed with specifically?
I hear you, RB8, had him on a few teams last year even with the 4-game suspension. Was largely underwhelmed many weeks.
It's not that I disagree with anything you said, I just think he is still the top dog in an offense that is going to want to run the ball a lot under Klint Kubiak(I see that jm192 is making this same point as I am typing out this message).
Understood but he's NEVER rushed for 1,000 yds
He never carries it much past about 200 carries with a couple exceptions
My point was he makes his money being a 2-way threat and I'm not sold he still is
His yds per catch was all time low last year and he has the same QB
Maybe the new OC wants to lighten his load in receptions and then where are you at?

-We all took advantage of the 4 game suspension last year
This is not the Drew Brees/Sean Payton offense of 2020
I'm asking everyone to take a pause and just think this out

Raheem Mostert is going off the board asRB28 and almost pick #100 overall...Miami offense is light years better than New Orleans
And...Achane can't possibly carry a full load right now, Mostert will continue to see scoring opps and touches, Miami does not abuse Mostert, better value IMHO
TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD...every one of those TDs is worth 60 yds or 6 catches, it closes the gap quickly.
Aaron Jones, Rhamondre Stephenson who was just extended, Pollard, rookie-Brooks in Carolina

If I can get us all to take a step back, I did put many of you right into my Redraft thread this morning
I'm not anti-Kamara, cannot stress that enough but I just don't want to put all my eggs in the same basket with him.
I like Kamara as part of a 3-Back platoon for RB2/3/Flex spots
Right, but just as you say those TD's are worth yards/catches---the passing game volume he gets made up for those problems last year. I think the passing game continues.

In regards to "This is not Brees and Payton" AGAIN, he finished top 5 in PPG last year. It wasn't Brees and Payton last year. You seem to keep glossing right over his actual fantasy points from last year to talk about yards per carry and age. But yards per carry doesn't win fantasy games. Fantasy points do.

I think Mostert is also underrated. But you keep saying Kamara is 28, 28, 28. 28 is so old. Mostert is 32.

I like Aaron Jones, but I'm worried about the injury issues and the change of scenery. Maybe McCarthy passes to him a ton.
I like Kamara quite a bit more than Rhamondre. I think that Patriots offense is going to be brutal.
Pollard probably splits touches pretty down the middle with Spears as they are very similar backs.
Brooks tore his ACL back in November. Most guys coming off of an ACL aren't the same guy until the 2nd season back. And he goes to such a bad offense in Carolina.
I don't think I made a huge deal of Kamara's age, certainly not as many times as you mention it
Why is it not possible for you to shake my hand and acknowledge that I already agreed at 76-78 overall, he's decent value?
I just see a lot of RBs I like near his draft spot or a round/two later is my larger point.
And I just don't see major upside in Kamara the way I felt last off season

Yes Mostert is 32, agreed
He's had major success in Miami 2 years in a row, has not had a lot of touches over his career and if they keep him between 10-15 touches a game, Mostert can keep accumulating
Just my opinion

-And let's not lose sight of the fact that MoP is one of the bigger Miami fans that dislikes Tua...re-read that and ask @Gatorman because I promise he'll tell you I am uber-critical
And yet I want to try and secure him in every redraft I can get my hands on him, why???

Ask yourself that
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I guess everyone is not expecting anything but low RB 3/4 numbers? Wow. How far have the mighty fallen? It seems the same for Barkley as well. I guess it's on to new things.
 
Would anyone believe me if I told them Kamara never rushed for 1,000 yds ever in a season?
21 TDs in 2020...since then he hasn't scored 21 TDs total in 3 seasons combined
81+ catches every year his 1st 4 seasons, that's where he made his living

83/1688/21TDs - 2020
47/1337/9TDs - 2021
57/1387/4 TDs - 2022...he had some injuries and then he also was suspended part of the season last year
75/1,160/6 TD - 2023

-What I take from these stats is the big drop off in total yds last season despite 75 catches, how is that going to get better in 2024?
I always like the name Kamara on Draft Day, especially as a RB2/3 but he no longer can be thought of as a sleeper RB1, it doesn't add up.
The QB is definitely a problem, not that much amazing talent around him and his TD opportunities since Coach Sean left, not the same.
He still likely will catch 60+ balls if he stays healthy and gets enough snaps. 4.0/3.9 yds per carry last 2 years, that's not promising.
All time low in yds per catch last season.

He's on the down side, no matter where you decide to take him in the Draft
In my main league he was RB8 in points per game. I'm not expecting him to be CMC, but I'll take that production for where is going in drafts and auctions.

Sure, his best days are probably behind him but he should eat in that offense.
I'm not a hater, just stating the facts and stats, was anything you disagreed with specifically?
I hear you, RB8, had him on a few teams last year even with the 4-game suspension. Was largely underwhelmed many weeks.
It's not that I disagree with anything you said, I just think he is still the top dog in an offense that is going to want to run the ball a lot under Klint Kubiak(I see that jm192 is making this same point as I am typing out this message).
Understood but he's NEVER rushed for 1,000 yds
He never carries it much past about 200 carries with a couple exceptions
My point was he makes his money being a 2-way threat and I'm not sold he still is
His yds per catch was all time low last year and he has the same QB
Maybe the new OC wants to lighten his load in receptions and then where are you at?

-We all took advantage of the 4 game suspension last year
This is not the Drew Brees/Sean Payton offense of 2020
I'm asking everyone to take a pause and just think this out

Raheem Mostert is going off the board asRB28 and almost pick #100 overall...Miami offense is light years better than New Orleans
And...Achane can't possibly carry a full load right now, Mostert will continue to see scoring opps and touches, Miami does not abuse Mostert, better value IMHO
TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD-TD...every one of those TDs is worth 60 yds or 6 catches, it closes the gap quickly.
Aaron Jones, Rhamondre Stephenson who was just extended, Pollard, rookie-Brooks in Carolina

If I can get us all to take a step back, I did put many of you right into my Redraft thread this morning
I'm not anti-Kamara, cannot stress that enough but I just don't want to put all my eggs in the same basket with him.
I like Kamara as part of a 3-Back platoon for RB2/3/Flex spots
Right, but just as you say those TD's are worth yards/catches---the passing game volume he gets made up for those problems last year. I think the passing game continues.

In regards to "This is not Brees and Payton" AGAIN, he finished top 5 in PPG last year. It wasn't Brees and Payton last year. You seem to keep glossing right over his actual fantasy points from last year to talk about yards per carry and age. But yards per carry doesn't win fantasy games. Fantasy points do.

I think Mostert is also underrated. But you keep saying Kamara is 28, 28, 28. 28 is so old. Mostert is 32.

I like Aaron Jones, but I'm worried about the injury issues and the change of scenery. Maybe McCarthy passes to him a ton.
I like Kamara quite a bit more than Rhamondre. I think that Patriots offense is going to be brutal.
Pollard probably splits touches pretty down the middle with Spears as they are very similar backs.
Brooks tore his ACL back in November. Most guys coming off of an ACL aren't the same guy until the 2nd season back. And he goes to such a bad offense in Carolina.
I don't think I made a huge deal of Kamara's age, certainly not as many times as you mention it
Why is it not possible for you to shake my hand and acknowledge that I already agreed at 76-78 overall, he's decent value?
I just see a lot of RBs I like near his draft spot or a round/two later is my larger point.
And I just don't see major upside in Kamara the way I felt last off season

Yes Mostert is 32, agreed
He's had major success in Miami 2 years in a row, has not had a lot of touches over his career and is they keep him between 10-15 touches a game, Mostert can keep accumulating
Just my opinion

-And let's not lose sight of the fact that MoP is one of the bigger Miami fans that dislikes Tua...re-read that and ask @Gatorman because I promise he'll tell you I am uber-critical
And yet I want to try and secure him in every redraft I can get my hands on him, why???

Ask yourself that
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I guess I didn't realize you had acknowledged he's decent draft value. My bad.

I think Mostert is very underrated as well, and will probably have him in a ton of leagues.
 
Kamara is night and day when it comes to PPR vs standard, but we all have known this he joined the league in 2017. Even nearing age 29, he has yet to fall to RB3 PPR ranks.
 
It's weird. I know they had a bad line last year. I know they recently lost their best lineman. I know Carr isnt that great. I know Kamara wants more money. I know Kamara is getting up their in age. All those things should mean stay away. I for some reason love him at his fantasypros rb19 value. They drafted a starter on the line with pick 14. Appears he is showing up to training camp. Although 28, his usage kinda makes that number feel a little different. New offense should help Carr. My gut says Kamara has a 1500 total yard and let's say 8 td season. Imo
 
My gut says Kamara has a 1500 total yard and let's say 8 td season. Imo
(1) The rookie RB they drafted last year, in the early 3rd round, was basically hobbled for 90% of last season.

(2) Kamara hasn’t put up your gut’s prediction since 2020.

Good luck!
 
Gotta hope he gets 75+ catches and breaks a couple long runs. He wont score many TDs, but I still have to use him as RB2 in my dynasty league, and that's okay.
 
My gut says Kamara has a 1500 total yard and let's say 8 td season. Imo
(1) The rookie RB they drafted last year, in the early 3rd round, was basically hobbled for 90% of last season.

(2) Kamara hasn’t put up your gut’s prediction since 2020.

Good luck!
You forgot to mention Jamaal Williams and his 100 plus carries. Ha ha. Miller missed 9 games last year. I don't think Kamara has missed 9 games in his 7 year career. Miller at his ADP might be the smart move here. I'm not disagreement on that. Gonna be interesting how they play the rb position here.
 
John DeShazier
Alvin Kamara left Saints practice today with back tightness
The joys of being old.
I thought the same thing initially. Ain't a morning goes by where I wake up and my back isn't tight. Ha ha
I got out of my van after an 11 hour drive yesterday & thought, “who made that groaning sound?!” and then realized it was me.

The struggle is real.
Come on we can't really think that it was reported because of something like you experience.
 
John DeShazier
Alvin Kamara left Saints practice today with back tightness
The joys of being old.
I thought the same thing initially. Ain't a morning goes by where I wake up and my back isn't tight. Ha ha
I got out of my van after an 11 hour drive yesterday & thought, “who made that groaning sound?!” and then realized it was me.

The struggle is real.
Come on we can't really think that it was reported because of something like you experience.
lol, of course not. I never suggested it was. Just making a funny.
 
John DeShazier
Alvin Kamara left Saints practice today with back tightness
The joys of being old.
I thought the same thing initially. Ain't a morning goes by where I wake up and my back isn't tight. Ha ha
I got out of my van after an 11 hour drive yesterday & thought, “who made that groaning sound?!” and then realized it was me.

The struggle is real.
Come on we can't really think that it was reported because of something like you experience.
lol, of course not. I never suggested it was. Just making a funny.
Are u saying Hotsauce and I don't have back pain? Er. Sorry. I don't think Kamara's back tightness is a huge concern after just one missed practice.
 
John DeShazier
Alvin Kamara left Saints practice today with back tightness
The joys of being old.
I thought the same thing initially. Ain't a morning goes by where I wake up and my back isn't tight. Ha ha
I got out of my van after an 11 hour drive yesterday & thought, “who made that groaning sound?!” and then realized it was me.

The struggle is real.
I had a similar experience except I knew I had made the groaning sound,I just wasn't sure WHERE it came from.
 
John DeShazier
Alvin Kamara left Saints practice today with back tightness
The joys of being old.
I thought the same thing initially. Ain't a morning goes by where I wake up and my back isn't tight. Ha ha
I got out of my van after an 11 hour drive yesterday & thought, “who made that groaning sound?!” and then realized it was me.

The struggle is real.
I had a similar experience except I knew I had made the groaning sound,I just wasn't sure WHERE it came from.
Really sneaks up on you, huh? 😂
 
John DeShazier
Alvin Kamara left Saints practice today with back tightness
The joys of being old.
I thought the same thing initially. Ain't a morning goes by where I wake up and my back isn't tight. Ha ha
I got out of my van after an 11 hour drive yesterday & thought, “who made that groaning sound?!” and then realized it was me.

The struggle is real.
Come on we can't really think that it was reported because of something like you experience.
lol, of course not. I never suggested it was. Just making a funny.
Are u saying Hotsauce and I don't have back pain? Er. Sorry. I don't think Kamara's back tightness is a huge concern after just one missed practice.
I would agree. I’ve had some back injuries. Some lingered for a long time and really limited my movement, some were just minor tweaks that cleared up a few days later. We don’t know anything at this point.
 
I would agree. I’ve had some back injuries. Some lingered for a long time and really limited my movement, some were just minor tweaks that cleared up a few days later. We don’t know anything at his lint.
Exactly.

I just worked a hot sauce festival for 2 days & drove 11 hours each way, plus a day of set-up. And I’m turning 54 in a week.

That’s a very different sort of back pain than Kamara. lol

Football players get tight muscles. He’ll get an ice bath, heat treatment, take some anti-inflammatory meds, probably get a massage or 3. He’ll likely be fine.

If I were drafting tonight and Kamara were to fall to a reasonable point, I’d be all over him.
 
Not much chatter here, how are folks feeling about Kamara?, he's pretty old in RB years, prob not gonna score much but seems gonna still get a lot of receptions. Miller seems like he's gonna be MIA for a bit but seems like still potential for him to take over some work mid-year.
 
Not much chatter here, how are folks feeling about Kamara?, he's pretty old in RB years, prob not gonna score much but seems gonna still get a lot of receptions. Miller seems like he's gonna be MIA for a bit but seems like still potential for him to take over some work mid-year.
I got him pretty cheap in my auction as my RB3 behind Bijan and Saquon. He’s firmly in my flex and could do much worse at the position.

He was a monster in PPR last year, but mostly due to insane catch volume over actual yards.

He seemingly doesn’t have much competition. Taysom will steal some carries and TDs.

My guess is he’ll have some up and down games, but will be just fine in PPR leagues. I’d be worried in a standard league as the rushing yards are hard to come by for him.
 
He's squarely on my DND list

Fwiw, I don't play in ppr leagues
I’ve played in standard leagues all my life. Joined a .5 PPR league 2 years ago and still hate it.

For the very reason of guys like Kamara last year who would catch 14 balls for 17 yards.

But he’s on my roster due to being cheap, and he really has no competition currently… so should see plenty of volume.
 
I don't draft him every year and he does this every year. League winner. I swear he was never in my queue at any point, not that I didn't want him

Good for you guys. My friend likes to call him Super Kamario. Sure looks like fun.
 
Can’t wait for Travdogg to bump him up to RB15 this week. Lmao.

We could be looking at RB1. The saints have an oline this year. Something they did not the last two years.
I’m loving him at $12/$200 in my auction league as my RB3.

Give Travdogg some credit… he’ll at least get him to 14 or 13!
If he faced Mike Zimmer defenses every week, he'd be the best fantasy RB in history. 10 TDs in his last 7 quarters against Zimmer defenses.

Yeah, he (and more importantly NO in general) proved it wasn't just Carolina in week 1.
 
man was PO'd when Achane went one pick ahead of me and had to "settle" for Kamra; super super happy with how's he played so far. Just wanted him for all the PPR work he got last year. This is insane work so far through 2 weeks
 
I normally try to stay away from aging backs but he's so good at avoiding / minimizing "pointless" contact, I was in this year. Hopefully the run continues...
 
man was PO'd when Achane went one pick ahead of me and had to "settle" for Kamra; super super happy with how's he played so far. Just wanted him for all the PPR work he got last year. This is insane work so far through 2 weeks
Kamara has 35 rushes and 7 receptions. so 21 touches a game. Wouldn't call that insane, but it's definitely more than we expected. And he looks great. And NO looks like a very good offense as long as Carr can keep it together. All signs point towards a RB1 going forward and a smash at his ADP.
 
man was PO'd when Achane went one pick ahead of me and had to "settle" for Kamra; super super happy with how's he played so far. Just wanted him for all the PPR work he got last year. This is insane work so far through 2 weeks
Kamara has 35 rushes and 7 receptions. so 21 touches a game. Wouldn't call that insane, but it's definitely more than we expected. And he looks great. And NO looks like a very good offense as long as Carr can keep it together. All signs point towards a RB1 going forward and a smash at his ADP.
probably that part and the fact that he only finished as a top 10 rb last year like 6 times. He looked so slow last year working off of just pure catches and this year he looks unleashed so far. Good on Kubiak and the Saints
 
man was PO'd when Achane went one pick ahead of me and had to "settle" for Kamra; super super happy with how's he played so far. Just wanted him for all the PPR work he got last year. This is insane work so far through 2 weeks
Kamara has 35 rushes and 7 receptions. so 21 touches a game. Wouldn't call that insane, but it's definitely more than we expected. And he looks great. And NO looks like a very good offense as long as Carr can keep it together. All signs point towards a RB1 going forward and a smash at his ADP.
probably that part and the fact that he only finished as a top 10 rb last year like 6 times. He looked so slow last year working off of just pure catches and this year he looks unleashed so far. Good on Kubiak and the Saints
It was impossible to tell how he looked last year as he had nowhere to run. The oline was putrid.
 
Hip Pointer AND a broken rib.

Definitely not a good thing.

Tagged as questionable.

Saints are missing a lot of pieces on the line, and Olave is hurt too.
 
Is the broken rib confirmed?

Was an off comment on some podcast from what i heard. Not sure it holds much water.

Anywhere other than here that this has been talked about?

That’s where I saw it. Apologies if it’s false and I’m spreading a bit of disinformation. That headline seemed like it came form a beat reporter.
I for one thank you for bringing that to my attention.

That's not a rando beat writer, when I had access to his info at his previous jobs I thought he was one of the best in the biz. Good enough to go into business for himself and consequently I don't get/pay for most of his info so if he's not tweeting it I don't know it.

He sent out a tweet late Tuesday night, not about Kamara specifically but said something along the lines of Saints fans need to prepare for a lot of potential heartbreak when the injury report comes out tomorrow but this is the first I've heard of a broken rib. If he's saying I tend to think it's true.

Anyway due to that tweet I saw Tuesday night and then Kamara showing up on the injury report the next day I made some moves Wednesday for Jamaal or Kendre were they were available. After seeing he got in two practices I was going to just turn around and cut Jamaal on the next waiver run tomorrow but now I think I'll hold on.
 
Is the broken rib confirmed?

Was an off comment on some podcast from what i heard. Not sure it holds much water.

Anywhere other than here that this has been talked about?

That’s where I saw it. Apologies if it’s false and I’m spreading a bit of disinformation. That headline seemed like it came form a beat reporter.
I for one thank you for bringing that to my attention.

That's not a rando beat writer, when I had access to his info at his previous jobs I thought he was one of the best in the biz. Good enough to go into business for himself and consequently I don't get/pay for most of his info so if he's not tweeting it I don't know it.

He sent out a tweet late Tuesday night, not about Kamara specifically but said something along the lines of Saints fans need to prepare for a lot of potential heartbreak when the injury report comes out tomorrow but this is the first I've heard of a broken rib. If he's saying I tend to think it's true.

Anyway due to that tweet I saw Tuesday night and then Kamara showing up on the injury report the next day I made some moves Wednesday for Jamaal or Kendre were they were available. After seeing he got in two practices I was going to just turn around and cut Jamaal on the next waiver run tomorrow but now I think I'll hold on.
Yahoos player profile has him listed as hip/rib so there may be fire to this smoke.
 

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