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RB Ashton Jeanty, LV (1 Viewer)

Picking at # 8 in my 0.5 PPR draft soon and keep debating between Jeanty, Henry, CMC and Nabers (if I go WR). My tune changes daily, but today I am ranking them CMC, Henry, Jeanty.
 
Keith1 said:
Picking at # 8 in my 0.5 PPR draft soon and keep debating between Jeanty, Henry, CMC and Nabers (if I go WR). My tune changes daily, but today I am ranking them CMC, Henry, Jeanty.
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Sounds about right to me assuming it is a re-draft... I could see it either way between CMC and Henry. I have Nabers in a keeper league (and am a big fan), but the injuries that keep popping up would give me pause in your case (unless it is a dynasty league).
 
Keith1 said:
Picking at # 8 in my 0.5 PPR draft soon and keep debating between Jeanty, Henry, CMC and Nabers (if I go WR). My tune changes daily, but today I am ranking them CMC, Henry, Jeanty.
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CMC if you don't mind living on the edge, Henry if you're risk averse. I love Nabers - he tends to play through his little dings, and at a very high level. Jeanty is the pure unknown at this point, high ceiling, low floor, could be a league winner like CMC, you just don't know. Choosing one is a nice problem to have. I'd probably go with Henry.
 
smbkrypt24 said:
Poor offense
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Circling back to this one… Even if it is a bad offense, (which we don’t yet know) are you saying that good fantasy players can’t be on bad offenses?
:oldunsure:

I’ll have to check, but don’t remember any of Tomlinson’s teams winning the Super Bowl.

Was Nick Chubb in good offenses?

I seem to remember a guy named Barry Sanders in some bad offenses putting up pretty good numbers.

I guess this one is for the group - anyone avoiding Jeanty because they expect the Raiders offense to be bad?
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Harjiran said:
Henry if you're risk averse
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At 31 there’s probably some risk.
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Other than the foot injury in 2021, he's been incredibly durable but you are correct that age eventually conquers all. I believe he's still a year or two away though. Here's hoping that Jeanty has the same sort of experience with injuries and success on the football field. I am rooting for him - he's definitely fun to watch. I'm happy to own one share of Jeanty so far - hoping to add him in my salary cap league next weekend as well if I have the cash.
 
Harjiran said:
Other than the foot injury in 2021, he's been incredibly durable but you are correct that age eventually conquers all. I believe he's still a year or two away though.
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I have rostered RBs hoping for one last good year and been burned. Maybe that makes me less enthusiastic to spend a 1st on Henry. He’s as healthy as anyone right now though so probably my loss.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
smbkrypt24 said:
Poor offense
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Circling back to this one… Even if it is a bad offense, (which we don’t yet know) are you saying that good fantasy players can’t be on bad offenses?
:oldunsure:

I’ll have to check, but don’t remember any of Tomlinson’s teams winning the Super Bowl.

Was Nick Chubb in good offenses?

I seem to remember a guy named Barry Sanders in some bad offenses putting up pretty good numbers.

I guess this one is for the group - anyone avoiding Jeanty because they expect the Raiders offense to be bad?
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Not saying that at all.

But if we want to put these things under a microscope of Henry may be taken out in a blowout that he may not have blown up in verse a player being in a poor offense and producing well all season…this is just one factor. I can’t believe I am comparing these two factors.
Jeanty may out produce Henry this year but never in my evaluation was it a factor that Henry may be pulled in a blowout he didn’t produce in.
 
smbkrypt24 said:
But if we want to put these things under a microscope of Henry may be taken out in a blowout
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I didn’t put it under a microscope. It’s just something that occurred to me. It’s an unusual situation - a 31 year old RB in a high powered offense on a team with a great defense & SB hopes.

It occurred to me that maybe Henry could see less late game work than other RBs in either blowout wins or losses due to his age & a desire to keep him fresh.

Hey, maybe I’m out in left field and the Ravens wouldn’t dare rest their bellcow back up 20 in the 4th quarter. Maybe I’m just crazy to even think that.

But it also might not be crazy. And it might be a factor. I clearly couched my statement saying it was a minor thing to consider.

smbkrypt24 said:
but never in my evaluation was it a factor that Henry may be pulled in a blowout he didn’t produce in.
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Perhaps some of us look at things differently. Perhaps considering alternate POVs has some value in life, and in FF.

Or perhaps not. Your choice, really. You do you. Best of luck with that.
 
MAC_32 said:
I don't know, this may be over-simplification, but I think the only item to be worried about with Jeanty is volume. Teams have gotten wiser with rookie usage in recent years, not burning them out too fast too soon. If this case bucks that trend, and there appears reason to believe it will, then the minutia being tossed around here is inconsequential.

Does anyone have any info that may steer that variable one way or another? I've been under a fantasy rock since May and am just now starting to get back up to speed.
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It's difficult to see a non-injury scenario where he doesn't see 300 touches.

The Raiders really don't have another back to effectively spell him.
 
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Harjiran said:
Keith1 said:
Picking at # 8 in my 0.5 PPR draft soon and keep debating between Jeanty, Henry, CMC and Nabers (if I go WR). My tune changes daily, but today I am ranking them CMC, Henry, Jeanty.
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CMC if you don't mind living on the edge, Henry if you're risk averse. I love Nabers - he tends to play through his little dings, and at a very high level. Jeanty is the pure unknown at this point, high ceiling, low floor, could be a league winner like CMC, you just don't know. Choosing one is a nice problem to have. I'd probably go with Henry.
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Jeanty may have the safest floor of the bunch. It has been discussed a lot in here; there aren't a lot of RBs drafted in the top 10 but when they are they succeed in their rookie season. You have to go back to 2010 to find a top 10 back, CJ Spiller, who had a bad year, not due to injury.

Richardson, Gurley, Zeke, Fournette, Saquon, Bijan

I'm not going to go look the numbers again, I did that earlier in the thread, but they averaged ~1,500 yards and 11 TDs
 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
smbkrypt24 said:
But if we want to put these things under a microscope of Henry may be taken out in a blowout
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I didn’t put it under a microscope. It’s just something that occurred to me. It’s an unusual situation - a 31 year old RB in a high powered offense on a team with a great defense & SB hopes.

It occurred to me that maybe Henry could see less late game work than other RBs in either blowout wins or losses due to his age & a desire to keep him fresh.

Hey, maybe I’m out in left field and the Ravens wouldn’t dare rest their bellcow back up 20 in the 4th quarter. Maybe I’m just crazy to even think that.

But it also might not be crazy. And it might be a factor. I clearly couched my statement saying it was a minor thing to consider.

smbkrypt24 said:
but never in my evaluation was it a factor that Henry may be pulled in a blowout he didn’t produce in.
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Perhaps some of us look at things differently. Perhaps considering alternate POVs has some value in life, and in FF.

Or perhaps not. Your choice, really. You do you. Best of luck with that.
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Thank you so much for this I now considered whether pulling Henry in a blowout minimizes his value. I landed on it changed nothing.
 
smbkrypt24 said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
smbkrypt24 said:
But if we want to put these things under a microscope of Henry may be taken out in a blowout
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I didn’t put it under a microscope. It’s just something that occurred to me. It’s an unusual situation - a 31 year old RB in a high powered offense on a team with a great defense & SB hopes.

It occurred to me that maybe Henry could see less late game work than other RBs in either blowout wins or losses due to his age & a desire to keep him fresh.

Hey, maybe I’m out in left field and the Ravens wouldn’t dare rest their bellcow back up 20 in the 4th quarter. Maybe I’m just crazy to even think that.

But it also might not be crazy. And it might be a factor. I clearly couched my statement saying it was a minor thing to consider.

smbkrypt24 said:
but never in my evaluation was it a factor that Henry may be pulled in a blowout he didn’t produce in.
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Perhaps some of us look at things differently. Perhaps considering alternate POVs has some value in life, and in FF.

Or perhaps not. Your choice, really. You do you. Best of luck with that.
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Thank you so much for this I now considered whether pulling Henry in a blowout minimizes his value. I landed on it changed nothing.
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Excellent. I’m happy for you. Glad we had this extended discussion over what I said was a very minor thing. Well done. Enjoy your evening.
 
will the raiders have a bad offense? magic 8 ball says that’s more than likely the case but I can’t see how it’s worse than last year and our ****ty offense still produced a dude who was 3rd in receptions and tied 8th in yardage with CD. linebackers have to worry about bowers so that should open up a little more room for jeanty in the regular season.
 
CGRdrJoe said:
will the raiders have a bad offense? magic 8 ball says that’s more than likely the case but I can’t see how it’s worse than last year and our ****ty offense still produced a dude who was 3rd in receptions and tied 8th in yardage with CD. linebackers have to worry about bowers so that should open up a little more room for jeanty in the regular season.
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In the NFL there are 3 groups of offenses- the great, the terrible, and the pile in between. While one of those groups can be upgraded, only one should be downgraded. Geno is a competent QB, as is the coaching staff, Meyers is a stabilizing presence at WR, they have a budding star in Bowers, and may have a second one with Jeanty. LV is not one of those offenses to downgrade as long as Geno is under center.
 
Ashton Jeanty rushed 19 times for 38 yards and a touchdown in the Raiders’ Week 1 win over the Patriots, adding two receptions for two yards.

Jeanty’s long gain went for nine yards. That actually makes his box score even less impressive, and it means his other 18 carries generated 29 yards. Jeanty showed great power on his three-yard score in the third quarter, but his side-to-side burst was nonexistent. For what it’s worth, Jeanty did appear to be in excellent shape. Random training camp one-off photos had internet sleuths questioning his physique. That isn’t going to be a problem. The Raiders treated Jeanty like a legit bell-cow, healthy scratching Raheem Mostert and giving backup Zamir White three total touches. Welcoming himself to the NFL, Jeanty gets the Chargers for Week 2.
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Raiders OL is either trash (again) at run blocking or the Pats front seven is suddenly beast. Good news is Geno and the passing game look pretty decent and seem ready to prevent teams from stacking the box the way the Pats did today.

I'll be curious to see how the C position battle that played out this summer factors into this... Raiders OL took a huge step fwd last season when Jackson Powers-Johnson moved from G to C. Yet somehow Pete Carroll's son has decided to move him back to G, and lo behold, they suck again.
 
Defensive game plan was clearly to put everything into stopping Jeanty. Chip anticipated that and put the game in Geno's hands (34-24 pass-run).

I am shocked to be saying this but the Raiders actually out coached another team. I forgot what that feels like.
 
Chaka said:
Defensive game plan was clearly to put everything into stopping Jeanty. Chip anticipated that and put the game in Geno's hands (34-24 pass-run).

I am shocked to be saying this but the Raiders actually out coached another team. I forgot what that feels like.
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I have NEVER seen second half adjustments that good since I have been a fan since ~2006. The Raiders finally can win the coaching battle and it's beautiful to see.

I was hoping Chip would call some screens to counter the heavy Pat blitzes.
 
RaidersAreOne said:
Chaka said:
Defensive game plan was clearly to put everything into stopping Jeanty. Chip anticipated that and put the game in Geno's hands (34-24 pass-run).

I am shocked to be saying this but the Raiders actually out coached another team. I forgot what that feels like.
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I have NEVER seen second half adjustments that good since I have been a fan since ~2006. The Raiders finally can win the coaching battle and it's beautiful to see.

I was hoping Chip would call some screens to counter the heavy Pat blitzes.
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Imma take this to the Raiders thread.

And 2006? Thanks for making me feel old...er than I normally feel.
 
Well after all the hype and drafting him I was excited.
However I wasn’t too impressed yesterday.
I know it’s 1 game but…

Negatives:
His line looks real bad, many runs right into the back of his lineman, no room to operate, didn’t see many sharp cuts or change direction, he didn’t look that explosive, he looked very small.
They need to throw to him more. I don’t think there was even 1 screen pass to him. Get him out in the open.

Positives:
Volume!
3 down back.
Looked good on the touchdown run. Looked tough and could take a hit.
Smith looked ok, and Bowers said he was ok after the game. Having multiple threats will hopefully open it up for him more.
 
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