RaidersAreOne
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What? The dude breaks tackles with ease. He’s just getting hit behind the LOS before he can even accelerate or make a move.
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RB Ashton Jeanty, LV (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Well he almost got Geno killed a few times so that makes sense
That first clip is atrocious
Sorry, I meant the second clip. Though the first one is very bad as well.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
First clip, MY GOODNESS. At what point in the game is that. He looks like he is just going through the motions.
Second clip looks just like something that will be ironed out with time. Went the wrong way on a handoff.
Third clip, don't like to see it, but I don't put that on him.
*Not an owner of Jeanty.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They’d have to pin ARich 1.01 right above it if that were the case.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I said it when they brought in Kelly - good luck with that. IMO he’s one of the worst OCs / coaches in the NFL.
His tenure with the Niners was an absolute disaster. He never should have left Oregon.
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't know which game you watched but, that seems to be objectively untrue. The Chargers D outplayed the Raiders O for sure but, my guess is Derwin James's Jockstrap thinks Jeanty is plenty difficult to bring down.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What I saw was a team not interested in establishing the run. When they did try to run they were somewhat predictable as well.
I was yelling at the television for Geno to look Jeanty’s way on several drop backs where he was wide open in the flat. But no, Geno would prefer throwing up a prayer into blanket coverage or throwing a pick, as is his way. One of those times he had 1 defender in front of him and nothing but grass after that.
Jeanty looks to have plenty of burst, and I saw him make guys miss several times in 1 on 1 situations. His power is decent - I think he’s being underutilized/misused.
Hard to have success when you’re consistently getting stuffed 2 yards behind the LOS.
I was yelling at the television for Geno to look Jeanty’s way on several drop backs where he was wide open in the flat. But no, Geno would prefer throwing up a prayer into blanket coverage or throwing a pick, as is his way. One of those times he had 1 defender in front of him and nothing but grass after that.
Jeanty looks to have plenty of burst, and I saw him make guys miss several times in 1 on 1 situations. His power is decent - I think he’s being underutilized/misused.
Hard to have success when you’re consistently getting stuffed 2 yards behind the LOS.
Chaka
Footballguy
A lot of this is valid for sure.
But, I think the biggest factor people are missing and, why Jeanty isn't getting 20+ opportunities is that he made two massive rookie mistakes on the first (technically second) drive. He didn't know the correct play on one and he picked up the wrong guy on the Derwin James blitz that led to the Khalil Mack sack.
His running looked fine, really good actually particularly as he had to avoid a lot of contact at the LoS but, he has been disturbingly slow at the other important aspects of the game. Unless/until he figures that out, expect to see Zamir and Laube (Temu CMC
) more than we would like.I also thought Chip Kelly did a bad job adjusting to the Chargers defense. The Chargers were all over any attempt to get the ball to Jeanty out in the flat.
Chaka
Footballguy
Geno was definitely late in getting to the Jeanty check downs but, even when he did try the Chargers were all over that play.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I own Jeanty in one deep keeper league and some of those plays did not look good. Mostly looks like things need to slow down for him - lots to take in.
Sometimes these rookies need time. Same with Hampton, TreVeyon Henderson, Kaleb Johnson, Harvey etc. List goes on.
Right now it doesn't look great - expect it to take a bit of time. I'll sit him this week so that he goes off and everyone can be happy.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
RJ Harvey is being brought along slowly (11 carries so far) by Sean Payton but has looked decent when given a little space
RJ Harvey Breaks free for the 50 yard rush
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There were at least 2 times he was open - there was a defender covering but the coverage was soft, about 5-7 yards upfield. He could have certainly been more effective the the hot nonsense Geno threw instead.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As for the pass pro, I’m having a hard time putting all of that on Jeanty. He got ragdolled a couple times, but the Chargers are very good at disguising pressure. On the plays where Jeanty got tossed aside, I have to question why the defender had such a free lane through the OL.
That awful QB protection was a total team effort, IMO.
That awful QB protection was a total team effort, IMO.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the way. Thank you for your sacrifice.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I know its early but Its been a pretty bad rookie draft so far
Jeanty looks like a decent RB but the Raiders and O-line are just so bad
Henderson isn't getting touches and when he does we haven't see much
Hampton looks bust worthy already
Would love to see Hunter get more than 35 yards next week
Judkins looked the best and he literally practiced for 3 days before his 1st NFL game
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hard disagree. When he gets touches he looks good.
Also isn’t Egbuka a rookie? Dude has 3 TD in 2 games.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I was referring to the 1st half dozen picks... EE was in the later half of most of my drafts; but yeah, him and Warren are the only 1st rounders performing right now
Chaka
Footballguy
Not sure we're talking about the same play but on the Mack sack Jeanty is 100% the reason there was such a big lane.
He made three mistakes: 1) he failed to recognize the RT had James 2) he didn't recognize the depth, even if James got by he was past the QB and effectively out of the play & 3) he basically forgot about Mack until it was too late.
That one is on him. And it was shortly after running the wrong play entirely.
Lots of guys who can run really well fail to make it at this level because they can't do the other important parts of the job because DCs will absolutely identify and exploit. I hope Jeanty has the football IQ to fix this because he made two very consequential, costly errors.
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The General
Footballguy
Anemic offense is the main problem. He looks like a poor man’s Tuten from Jacksonville though.
Not being on the field for 7 minutes of the game in hurry up is a killer.
Not being on the field for 7 minutes of the game in hurry up is a killer.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
While true, Geno Smith made like 2,674 costly errors, so let’s slow down a little on how costly Jeanty’s mistakes were. lol
Doubt he had to do much pass pro in college. If any.
Chaka
Footballguy
Those are discrete issues and Geno has a track record of success and being careful with the ball. Just because Geno had a bad night doesn't excuse the terrible mistakes Jeanty made. And, those mistakes didn't just hurt the team on those two plays, they forced the Raiders to pull him a lot more often than I imagine they would like to. The offense should be a lot better with him on the field but, if they can't trust him when he's in there it hurts the entire offense when he's out and when he's in.
Everything I have heard about Jeanty indicates that he has a strong drive for success. I truly believe he will fix his mistakes sooner than later but, until he does we have to accept that he can be a liability to the offense and his snap counts will reflect that.
Chaka
Footballguy
You may be right, it's a good question to ask. One I hope the scouts asked when researching him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sure, but it’s also important to have perspective - and the way you said “2 costly errors” made it sound like you were putting this loss squarely on Jeanty, when Geno was abjectly terrible last night. I’m struggling to recall a single good play from Geno, tbh.
Just rock bottom down bad QB play. He was actually very fortunate he didn’t have 3 more interceptions.
ETA I just saw that Geno didn’t complete a pass over 10 yards last night. Hard to have room to run when that’s your offense. Yikes.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Very fair question.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I get last night was an ugly outing for the O but I have no issues with how Bowers was used week one. He topped 100 yards. He was clearly hurt last night and honestly should not have been playing.
Jeanty on the other hand.... that usage is awful.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I watched the game on and off last night while doing other things so I admit I didn't see it all. But I saw a fair bit, especially most of the first half.
Chargers D is underrated. Took away Geno's first look most of the time and pressure was almost always there. 8 targets going to Tre Tucker isn't going to cut it as their 2nd WR. Tucker finished with 12 yards....
No blocking, no run game for the Raiders. The one time Jeanty looks to try to pop one outside his TE backs into him and trips him up.
Just not good. Raiders and Geno need to play better but that Chargers D and secondary was playing very good. They had Geno scrambling for his life.
They interviewed Ashton after the game and he mentioned having to adjust to NFL level speed and put that squarely on his shoulders … might take a few games … but hopefully once he figures it out … coaching staff will also … Geno sucks bro … he doesn’t look Jeanty way at all …. Constantly throwing into coverage … I played basketball with Geno while he played for the Chargers … I had a feeling last night he was trying to flex on them 
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Pretty much a new team in Vegas this season ain't it. Not like any of these guys are being plugged into something that already existed. Literally building all the parts from the ground up.
Not really a huge surprise it's been a slow start.
Not really a huge surprise it's been a slow start.
They made Bowers a part time player in 11 personnel. That has nothing to do with his injury. He's gone from something close to a full time player to one who, when fully healthy, is probably going to be more in the 70% type of range. The fact he topped 100 yards is just because he's supremely talented and made some huge chunk plays.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree with this - he looked hobbled out there. Meyers is perfectly capable, they absolutely should have rested him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh cap tip to LAC D, no doubt. They have a great secondary, and a ferocious pass rush. They also have LB who can cover - Henley (who I couldn’t give away in IDP after his rookie year) frequently dropped back into coverage.
But Geno shoulders plenty of blame - he was awful. And in the second half was seeing ghosts. It was Jets level Darnold-esque.
Or Jets level Geno-esque.
Big Nate
Footballguy
True, it was not a good game for Geno either. But it wasn't a good offensive game for any of them. I expect a bounce back from Geno but the O-line needs to be better and maybe some different play calling. It seemed LAC shut the passing game down pretty good.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh yeah. lol
Harjiran
Footballguy
I watched the game and I stand by my comment. For such a powerful runner who is able to run over guys, he was getting tackled in the open field rather easily on some plays where his feet seemed to get tangled up and he was unable to churn forward. His blockers certainly didn't do him any favors but I was expecting some evasiveness based on his college tape, and he hasn't shown that yet at the NFL level. He didn't have a great night and not all of that is on the OL. He has yet to show that he's a special player worthy of the hype or high draft position - jury's still out but the early returns aren't great.
Harjiran
Footballguy
I wish I could - I spent a high draft pick on him like everybody else.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Jeanty will likely get better at pass blocking, but he'll always be at a disadvantage being 5'8". He simply has no leverage. I also question the 208 pounds he's listed at. He sure gets pinballed around a lot. I think Jeanty weighed 211 at the Combine, but he may have purposely put on some weight.
The lack of pass blocking skills isn't a huge concern for me right now (unless it's in redraft), but this isn't the type of RB you take top-10 in the NFL draft, IMO. I noticed it seemed like he got tackled down low a lot in college, which is odd for a short RB, especially considering the competition he mostly faced. I thought Jeanty was more in line with an early-to-mid 2nd round pick. I do believe he's a little overrated.
Jeanty may very well have enough talent to be a long-term starting NFL RB, but my concerns about landing spot look accurate, at least of now. Yes, we're still way early and nothing is written in stone, but it looks like he might have a tough time living up to expectations.
The lack of pass blocking skills isn't a huge concern for me right now (unless it's in redraft), but this isn't the type of RB you take top-10 in the NFL draft, IMO. I noticed it seemed like he got tackled down low a lot in college, which is odd for a short RB, especially considering the competition he mostly faced. I thought Jeanty was more in line with an early-to-mid 2nd round pick. I do believe he's a little overrated.
Jeanty may very well have enough talent to be a long-term starting NFL RB, but my concerns about landing spot look accurate, at least of now. Yes, we're still way early and nothing is written in stone, but it looks like he might have a tough time living up to expectations.
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Chaka
Footballguy
I think you should reconsider your position. Every carry & target from last night.
-He demonstrated on his first touch last night that he will make a single defender pay more often than not.
-His second carry he got tripped up by Mayer.
-#3 met immediately by three defenders at the line.
-#4 bad target from Geno, tipped by defender.
-#5 bounced outside when he probably should have taken the lane off the RT slipped an ankle tackle fell forward for two.
-#6 converts the 3rd and 2 with a tough run up the gut for 3, again met by three defenders.
-#7 posterized Derwin James, ankle tackle falls forward for another 3.
-#8 (1:06) This is my favorite play: 7 yards between the RT & RG, take a minute and look at how Derwin just bounces off Jeanty. He's immediately hit again low and the defender hangs on for dear life. Jeanty goes after another 2 yards.
-#9 7-8 yards off the RT sheds DE arm tackle, taken down at the legs falling forward for another 2.
-#10 posterized Henley (the hero for the Chargers last night), similarly Tony Jefferson whiffs, gets spun out of bounds after 5 yards.
-#11 off LT for 4 grinds forward after contact for 2-3 more yards.
-#12 3 yard swing pass jukes one defender tries and fails to hurdle another.
-#13 0 yards gained, stood up at the LoS by the DT.
-#14 4 yards off RT 2-3 defenders take him down.
-#15 swing pass for loss of 1 yards. Straight up great play by Tahib Still.
At no point did he, go down easily. I can't imagine anyone not being optimistic about his performance.
Chaka
Footballguy
Zero chance he gets benched. He won't get a full workload until he proves he can handle every aspect of the offense but, he's still going to see 15 or so opportunities IMO.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Not 1st round worthy of fantasy drafts or the NFL draft? I'm assuming he's talking fantasy re-draft leagues in Year one because I definitely don't think he was fading Jeanty as a talented rb on a tier to himself from this draft class.
In his post-week 1 podcast, Waldman said that he foresaw a progression similar to LaDainian Tomlinson, who averaged 3.6 yards per carry in his first year before exploding in Year Two. I know this is little comfort to the re-draft folks here. It looks like I also biffed my 1.12 in one of mine.
If Hampton's season never turns around, I will give Waldman all kinds of credit for aggressively fading. I think he had him as his 8th or 9th highest rated RB from the class around draft time(?) I felt this was completely ridiculous for a guy getting 1st round NFL draft capital. I still think Waldman has very uphill climb on nailing this prognostication, but through two weeks, he's a genius.
Croskey-Merritt should definitely be added to the list. I can't imagine any analyst deserving more credit than Waldman on that one. He was banging the drum on him as a '25 watch list guy back in the '24 offseason if not earlier.
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