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RB Ashton Jeanty, LV (1 Viewer)

Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.
Only if the coach doesn’t like his job, but how many RBs actually get 70% of the touches these days?
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.
Only if the coach doesn’t like his job, but how many RBs actually get 70% of the touches these days?
70% seems high for almost any RB. Although Barkley and Henry both hit 74% (ish) last year. Not sure if anyone else did.

I think the framework of the question regarding touch distribution between Jeanty & everyone else comes down to if we think the Raiders will manage more plays overall this season.

Last year their RBs has ~390 touches. In that context 70% (273 touches) to Jeanty seems more than attainable. If they manage 450 this season 70% is 315 touches, which also seems like something Jeanty could handle and I don't think anyone would say they were overusing him at that amount.
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.
Only if the coach doesn’t like his job, but how many RBs actually get 70% of the touches these days?
70% seems high for almost any RB. Although Barkley and Henry both hit 74% (ish) last year. Not sure if anyone else did.

I think the framework of the question regarding touch distribution between Jeanty & everyone else comes down to if we think the Raiders will manage more plays overall this season.

Last year their RBs has ~390 touches. In that context 70% (273 touches) to Jeanty seems more than attainable. If they manage 450 this season 70% is 315 touches, which also seems like something Jeanty could handle and I don't think anyone would say they were overusing him at that amount.
I guess I was interpreting the original quote as a pretty extreme statement that would mean something in the 70+% ballpark.
The primary back on all downs will be Jeanty. He is a good receiver and the only reason to take him out is for a breather.
But that was just my interpretation. "Primary back on all downs" could also mean nothing more than having plurality of touches on each of first, second, and third downs.
 
The fear is real I just landed Jeanty at the 2.02 in an underdog today this is the first time I seen him drop to the 2nd round since I been drafting this year in underdog after the NFL Draft.
 
Great question about % of teams RB touches. It's misleading when a team uses their backups differently. Of last year's top 24 fantasy RB's, here's how they rank in team RB touches:

78.8% - Williams (350/444)
76.0% - Swift (295/388)
74.7% - Barkley (378/506)
74.5% - Henry (344/462)
73.6% - Taylor (321/436)
70.9% - Hubbard (293/413)
69.1% - Robinson (365/528)
68.4% - Pollard (301/440)
68.0% - Brown (283/416)
67.5% - Jones (306/453)
66.7% - Jacobs (337/505)
66.5% - Kamara (296/445)
66.3% - Dowdle (274/413)
65.5% - Mixon (281/429)
63.9% - Hall (266/416)
62.3% - Conner (283/454)
58.4% - Harris (299/512)
56.7% - Achane (281/496)
55.5% - Cook (239/431)
54.0% - Dobbins (227/420)
52.7% - Gibbs (302/573)
50.0% - Irving (254/508)
38.6% - Montgomery (221/573)
38.4% - White (195/508)

No other RB reached 60%. Seeing Swift at #2 is a shocker.
 
Great question about % of teams RB touches. It's misleading when a team uses their backups differently. Of last year's top 24 fantasy RB's, here's how they rank in team RB touches:

78.8% - Williams (350/444)
76.0% - Swift (295/388)
74.7% - Barkley (378/506)
74.5% - Henry (344/462)
73.6% - Taylor (321/436)
70.9% - Hubbard (293/413)
69.1% - Robinson (365/528)
68.4% - Pollard (301/440)
68.0% - Brown (283/416)
67.5% - Jones (306/453)
66.7% - Jacobs (337/505)
66.5% - Kamara (296/445)
66.3% - Dowdle (274/413)
65.5% - Mixon (281/429)
63.9% - Hall (266/416)
62.3% - Conner (283/454)
58.4% - Harris (299/512)
56.7% - Achane (281/496)
55.5% - Cook (239/431)
54.0% - Dobbins (227/420)
52.7% - Gibbs (302/573)
50.0% - Irving (254/508)
38.6% - Montgomery (221/573)
38.4% - White (195/508)

No other RB reached 60%. Seeing Swift at #2 is a shocker.
Great post. Don't know where you got it but awesome.

Looking at that, at worst I guess Jeanty's share will start at '24 Mixon (65.5%).
 
Great post. Don't know where you got it but awesome.

Looking at that, at worst I guess Jeanty's share will start at '24 Mixon (65.5%).
Agreed. I think he will eclipse 70%, but his floor should be around Mixon. As for the stats, I just opened Pro Football Reference website and started crunching numbers. Gimme a few beers and I will sit and crunch numbers all night.
 
The Athletic’s Tashan Reed believes Raiders RB Raheem Mostert “will be the primary third-down back.”
That person is flat out wrong and everyone knows it. The primary back on all downs will be Jeanty. He is a good receiver and the only reason to take him out is for a breather.
*BUZZ*
"Who is: Tyler Allgeier?"
He's a guy who split 365 to 150 last year with Bijan
He's also not Raherm Mostert.

On a side note, it's a little known fact but, if you look at his long form birth certificate, Raherm Mostert is actually 75 years old.
All those Hours in the Sun surfing sure do take a toll on a fella
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.

I think 2-3 years ago is ancient history when talking about a 33 year old RB.

When a 32 year old RB has a sucky season it's usually because they've hit the wall. How many RBs have a terrible season at age 32 and then end up bouncing back? I'm sure it's happened but 99% of the time a RB sucks at age 32 it's because they're donezo.
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.

I think 2-3 years ago is ancient history when talking about a 33 year old RB.

When a 32 year old RB has a sucky season it's usually because they've hit the wall. How many RBs have a terrible season at age 32 and then end up bouncing back? I'm sure it's happened but 99% of the time a RB sucks at age 32 it's because they're donezo.
That's true. Mostert is already a weird case, for whatever that's worth. But teams just don't usually give a massive share to one back, even if the backups are scrubs.
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.

I think 2-3 years ago is ancient history when talking about a 33 year old RB.

When a 32 year old RB has a sucky season it's usually because they've hit the wall. How many RBs have a terrible season at age 32 and then end up bouncing back? I'm sure it's happened but 99% of the time a RB sucks at age 32 it's because they're donezo.
Mostert does have somewhat low mileage from all the times he’s been injured, so he has that going for him, which is… nice?

For his 10 year career the dude only has 759 career carries & 111 receptions. Heck he’s only actually played in 103 games (39 starts)

Most RB eclipse those numbers in ~3 seasons.
 
NFL RB rankings, 1-32: Where does each team's starter land heading into 2025 season?

Excerpt:

I can't wait to watch Jeanty take his first NFL snap. The No. 6 overall pick in this year's draft is tough to tackle and should fit perfectly in an attack that wants to bully opponents under Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly. Carroll said last month that the offense won't rely on just one back in the ground game, but it's hard to envision the Raiders consistently looking to Raheem Mostert, Zamir White or Sincere McCormick when they have a talent like Jeanty on the roster.
 
NFL RB rankings, 1-32: Where does each team's starter land heading into 2025 season?

Excerpt:

I can't wait to watch Jeanty take his first NFL snap. The No. 6 overall pick in this year's draft is tough to tackle and should fit perfectly in an attack that wants to bully opponents under Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly. Carroll said last month that the offense won't rely on just one back in the ground game, but it's hard to envision the Raiders consistently looking to Raheem Mostert, Zamir White or Sincere McCormick when they have a talent like Jeanty on the roster.
One of the stranger rankings I have come across.
 
I've got the 1.01 in a league I just can't seem to figure out. I've got a passable club coming into the year, but I think you could get Jeanty from me for a mid-1st, late 1st, and an excellent player ascending. What do you all think? Is that foolhardy? Would love to get some stud depth just for procuring the 1.01.

One of the stranger rankings I have come across.

I know. He's got Jeanty in foreclosure or something because Carroll wants to get the ball to Raheem Mostert every so often? 17th overall seems really low. He's got Aaron Jones at 9 and Kyren Williams at 6 (?!). MJD, this is real football we're talking about here.
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.

I think 2-3 years ago is ancient history when talking about a 33 year old RB.

When a 32 year old RB has a sucky season it's usually because they've hit the wall. How many RBs have a terrible season at age 32 and then end up bouncing back? I'm sure it's happened but 99% of the time a RB sucks at age 32 it's because they're donezo.

I know you're right in general, but I also think Mostert is sui generis. He played special teams for a long time and just had a rollicking 2023. Down year in '24, sure, but he just hasn't played as much as some other guys. That said, this is throwing good money after bad if you invest in Mostert or think Jeanty will lose a lot of work to him. I don't see that happening.
 
I've got the 1.01 in a league I just can't seem to figure out. I've got a passable club coming into the year, but I think you could get Jeanty from me for a mid-1st, late 1st, and an excellent player ascending. What do you all think? Is that foolhardy? Would love to get some stud depth just for procuring the 1.01.

One of the stranger rankings I have come across.

I know. He's got Jeanty in foreclosure or something because Carroll wants to get the ball to Raheem Mostert every so often? 17th overall seems really low. He's got Aaron Jones at 9 and Kyren Williams at 6 (?!). MJD, this is real football we're talking about here.
Seems like a wild over reaction to a meaningless comment from a coach by MJD. But yeah I think trading Jeanty is fine. A mid 1st, late 1st and ascending player seems fair because that would equate to something like Judkins, Golden and Ricky Pearsall or RJ Harvey, Egbuka and Keon Coleman.
 
I've got the 1.01 in a league I just can't seem to figure out. I've got a passable club coming into the year, but I think you could get Jeanty from me for a mid-1st, late 1st, and an excellent player ascending. What do you all think? Is that foolhardy? Would love to get some stud depth just for procuring the 1.01.

One of the stranger rankings I have come across.

I know. He's got Jeanty in foreclosure or something because Carroll wants to get the ball to Raheem Mostert every so often? 17th overall seems really low. He's got Aaron Jones at 9 and Kyren Williams at 6 (?!). MJD, this is real football we're talking about here.
While I guess it depends on who that ascending player is, but I'll assume the adjective "excellent" means the bar is high and ascending means young. That means that player alone is likely already worth 2 1sts. I feel like it would be very hard to sell Jeanty for the equivalent of 4 first round picks; and this is coming from someone who considers him one of the best college profiles since Barkley. Not saying there isn't someone out there to do it, but I wouldn't, and I wouldn't ever recommend the move to anyone who was considering it and asked my opinion.
 
Judkins, Golden and Ricky Pearsall or RJ Harvey, Egbuka and Keon Coleman

I think I'd really like the first grouping out of this one (it's .2 PPR, which is nothing), but I don't know if Pearsall would be enough. Coleman, too. I'm talking like a firmer stud plus mid-to-late 1st and late 1st. But yeah, close to that. RBs are a weighted heavier in this league even more so than normal, so he should fetch around what I'd be asking. I think.
 
That means that player alone is likely already worth 2 1sts

I should be more qualitative. I think I'd be looking for three firsts or the equivalent of. And I'm not sure who is worth two firsts that is young. Is anyone outside of the first ten WRs (I'm not looking to kill the guy in a deal) worth two firsts, really? I don't think so, but maybe I'm incorrect. I know BTJ and Puka are close to being worth two firsts, but McConkey really isn't. He's like the 1.03 or 1.04 on KTC. So take those guys off the table and you get a better picture, I think.

I'm thinking like 1.06-1.09, 1.10-1.12, and someone in the top twenty-five. But I don't want to derail this thread. I should take it over to the dynasty valuation thread and should have done that before. Pardon me.
 
Judkins, Golden and Ricky Pearsall or RJ Harvey, Egbuka and Keon Coleman

I think I'd really like the first grouping out of this one (it's .2 PPR, which is nothing), but I don't know if Pearsall would be enough. Coleman, too. I'm talking like a firmer stud plus mid-to-late 1st and late 1st. But yeah, close to that. RBs are a weighted heavier in this league even more so than normal, so he should fetch around what I'd be asking. I think.
I know someone might love Jeanty or feel like he's the one last piece to winning the title this year but I tend to find it hard to get teams to part way with a young top 25 type player. I mean some people love to wheel and deal but I find most teams are smitten with their own "homegrown" young studs.
 
I know someone might love Jeanty or feel like he's the one last piece to winning the title this year but I tend to find it hard to get teams to part way with a young top 25 type player. I mean some people love to wheel and deal but I find most teams are smitten with their own "homegrown" young studs.

Good point. People do get attached. I think I'm maybe aiming lower than that. I don't know. You know what, though? The details are probably moot. I remember some guy wanted my 1.01 and wanted to give me like an extra second-rounder per the charts. No sir, Not a chance. This league is pretty consistent that way with draft picks, so this is likely all for naught. Some guy already inquired and stated he didn't want to give up draft picks. Uh . . . fella? And he only had one guy close to making it happen in a ten-team league, and that was Gibbs, who certainly is tenable and also happens to be worth more than the 1.01 per the calcs, so I'm not trading away guys I don't have to get Gibbs. No sir.

But that's definitely something I'll keep in mind. Maybe keep it more realistic in what I'm asking for. I was thinking like WR15-25, not overall top twenty-five, which I think makes a huge difference.
 
That means that player alone is likely already worth 2 1sts

I should be more qualitative. I think I'd be looking for three firsts or the equivalent of. And I'm not sure who is worth two firsts that is young. Is anyone out of the first ten WRs (I'm not looking to kill the guy in a deal) worth two firsts, really? I don't think so, but maybe I'm incorrect. I know BTJ and Puka are close, but McConkey really isn't.

I'm thinking like 1.06-1.09, 1.10-1.12, and someone in the top twenty-five. But I don't want to derail this thread. I should take it over to the dynasty valuation thread and should have done that before. Pardon me.
I feel ya. And all good, I love the value discussion because it's one of the hardest things to really get a finger on IMO. There also never really is a right answer IMO.

And totally subjective, but I think Puka is 100% worth two firsts if not more. I think BTJ is, and if not, it's so close it would be semantics parsing it out. Regardless, just looked at 3 dynasty startup rankings and all three had Jeanty/Puka/BTJ within 1-3 picks of one another in a range no greater than 5. I don't think the difference between any of them is a future 1st round pick. More of a lateral move with potentially a late round throw in.

And a month ago when I was trying to be fair/reasonable on my personal love of McConkey, I said he was worth 2 2nds at least in value and got berated by half the page who were so upset by that they missed the entire point of my post lol. (They thought I was WAY under with 2 2nd haha) Now that was in the McConkey thread, so probably mostly filled with his owners who are a bit biased.

I know half of fantasy players hate KTC. And the other half hate it when it goes against what they personally think :ROFLMAO:. But it's pretty much the only consensus community resource we have, and they have Ladd and a single mid round future 1st round pick as an overpay for Jeanty by a small amount. About the equivalent of the Jeanty side needing to add a mid third round.
 
I know someone might love Jeanty or feel like he's the one last piece to winning the title this year but I tend to find it hard to get teams to part way with a young top 25 type player. I mean some people love to wheel and deal but I find most teams are smitten with their own "homegrown" young studs.

Good point. People do get attached. I think I'm maybe aiming lower than that. I don't know. You know what, though? The details are probably moot. I remember some guy wanted my 1.01 and wanted to give me like an extra second-rounder per the charts. No sir, Not a chance. This league is pretty consistent that way with draft picks, so this is likely all for naught. Some guy already inquired and stated he didn't want to give up draft picks. Uh . . . fella? And he only had one guy close to making it happen in a ten-team league, and that was Gibbs, who certainly is tenable and also happens to be worth more than the 1.01 per the calcs, so I'm not trading away guys I don't have to get Gibbs. No sir.

But that's definitely something I'll keep in mind. Maybe keep it more realistic in what I'm asking for. I was thinking like WR15-25, not overall top twenty-five, which I think makes a huge difference.
I tried pretty hard to get the 1.01 in my dynasty league. I had 1.04, 1.09, 1.10. I am pretty sure I offered all 3 and was told that wasn't even close.
 
I know someone might love Jeanty or feel like he's the one last piece to winning the title this year but I tend to find it hard to get teams to part way with a young top 25 type player. I mean some people love to wheel and deal but I find most teams are smitten with their own "homegrown" young studs.

Good point. People do get attached. I think I'm maybe aiming lower than that. I don't know. You know what, though? The details are probably moot. I remember some guy wanted my 1.01 and wanted to give me like an extra second-rounder per the charts. No sir, Not a chance. This league is pretty consistent that way with draft picks, so this is likely all for naught. Some guy already inquired and stated he didn't want to give up draft picks. Uh . . . fella? And he only had one guy close to making it happen in a ten-team league, and that was Gibbs, who certainly is tenable and also happens to be worth more than the 1.01 per the calcs, so I'm not trading away guys I don't have to get Gibbs. No sir.

But that's definitely something I'll keep in mind. Maybe keep it more realistic in what I'm asking for. I was thinking like WR15-25, not overall top twenty-five, which I think makes a huge difference.
I tried pretty hard to get the 1.01 in my dynasty league. I had 1.04, 1.09, 1.10. I am pretty sure I offered all 3 and was told that wasn't even close.
Probably my RB bias coming through bc of their shorter shelf life and injury proneness. But I think I would have jumped out of my seat accepting that offer. Especially in this class. Again, LOVE Jeanty. But think I would gladly roll the dice with some 3 of Hampton/Judkins/Henderson/Johnson/Egbuka/Burden over just Jeanty. I'm well documented as being high on this RB class as a group though.
 
That means that player alone is likely already worth 2 1sts

I should be more qualitative. I think I'd be looking for three firsts or the equivalent of. And I'm not sure who is worth two firsts that is young. Is anyone out of the first ten WRs (I'm not looking to kill the guy in a deal) worth two firsts, really? I don't think so, but maybe I'm incorrect. I know BTJ and Puka are close, but McConkey really isn't.

I'm thinking like 1.06-1.09, 1.10-1.12, and someone in the top twenty-five. But I don't want to derail this thread. I should take it over to the dynasty valuation thread and should have done that before. Pardon me.
I feel ya. And all good, I love the value discussion because it's one of the hardest things to really get a finger on IMO. There also never really is a right answer IMO.

And totally subjective, but I think Puka is 100% worth two firsts if not more. I think BTJ is, and if not, it's so close it would be semantics parsing it out. Regardless, just looked at 3 dynasty startup rankings and all three had Jeanty/Puka/BTJ within 1-3 picks of one another in a range no greater than 5. I don't think the difference between any of them is a future 1st round pick. More of a lateral move with potentially a late round throw in.

And a month ago when I was trying to be fair/reasonable on my personal love of McConkey, I said he was worth 2 2nds at least in value and got berated by half the page who were so upset by that they missed the entire point of my post lol. (They thought I was WAY under with 2 2nd haha) Now that was in the McConkey thread, so probably mostly filled with his owners who are a bit biased.

I know half of fantasy players hate KTC. And the other half hate it when it goes against what they personally think :ROFLMAO:. But it's pretty much the only consensus community resource we have, and they have Ladd and a single mid round future 1st round pick as an overpay for Jeanty by a decent amount. About the equivalent of the Jeanty side needing to add a mid third round.

I can see your valuation and why you'd arrive there. That's why I wanted to sweep those three guys off of the table. I wouldn't ask for them. I wouldn't get much in addition to them, so why deal the generational RB when the community has them so bunched? I still don't think Ladd is quite worth what KTC has him as, and I roster him in one of my only two leagues (and that league is the one I've actually had success in, so I can appreciate his value from the outside and from the inside—I also roster BTJ in that league somehow).

But yeah, I'm not looking for any three of those guys. That's unrealistic. I was thinking Ladd was worth about an earlier to mid first, but he seems to be worth the 1.02, which I assure you I would not have been able to get for him. I just wouldn't have been able to, but these things are also roster and league-dependent.

Anyway, thanks for the input. It helps. Every little bit does. It helps to get a reasonable starting point and a foothold on what I might be thinking and whether that's reasonable, so I appreciate the input.
 
I know someone might love Jeanty or feel like he's the one last piece to winning the title this year but I tend to find it hard to get teams to part way with a young top 25 type player. I mean some people love to wheel and deal but I find most teams are smitten with their own "homegrown" young studs.

Good point. People do get attached. I think I'm maybe aiming lower than that. I don't know. You know what, though? The details are probably moot. I remember some guy wanted my 1.01 and wanted to give me like an extra second-rounder per the charts. No sir, Not a chance. This league is pretty consistent that way with draft picks, so this is likely all for naught. Some guy already inquired and stated he didn't want to give up draft picks. Uh . . . fella? And he only had one guy close to making it happen in a ten-team league, and that was Gibbs, who certainly is tenable and also happens to be worth more than the 1.01 per the calcs, so I'm not trading away guys I don't have to get Gibbs. No sir.

But that's definitely something I'll keep in mind. Maybe keep it more realistic in what I'm asking for. I was thinking like WR15-25, not overall top twenty-five, which I think makes a huge difference.
I tried pretty hard to get the 1.01 in my dynasty league. I had 1.04, 1.09, 1.10. I am pretty sure I offered all 3 and was told that wasn't even close.

I would have seriously considered and likely done that deal in a few moments, but this is a ten-teamer, so the guys have to be studs or they're really functionally not useful. So there's that. It would give me pause. But in a twelve-team league I think that's a hard deal to turn down.

I know someone might love Jeanty or feel like he's the one last piece to winning the title this year but I tend to find it hard to get teams to part way with a young top 25 type player. I mean some people love to wheel and deal but I find most teams are smitten with their own "homegrown" young studs.

Good point. People do get attached. I think I'm maybe aiming lower than that. I don't know. You know what, though? The details are probably moot. I remember some guy wanted my 1.01 and wanted to give me like an extra second-rounder per the charts. No sir, Not a chance. This league is pretty consistent that way with draft picks, so this is likely all for naught. Some guy already inquired and stated he didn't want to give up draft picks. Uh . . . fella? And he only had one guy close to making it happen in a ten-team league, and that was Gibbs, who certainly is tenable and also happens to be worth more than the 1.01 per the calcs, so I'm not trading away guys I don't have to get Gibbs. No sir.

But that's definitely something I'll keep in mind. Maybe keep it more realistic in what I'm asking for. I was thinking like WR15-25, not overall top twenty-five, which I think makes a huge difference.
I tried pretty hard to get the 1.01 in my dynasty league. I had 1.04, 1.09, 1.10. I am pretty sure I offered all 3 and was told that wasn't even close.
Probably my RB bias coming through bc of their shorter shelf life and injury proneness. But I think I would have jumped out of my seat accepting that offer. Especially in this class. Again, LOVE Jeanty. But think I would gladly roll the dice with some 3 of Hampton/Judkins/Henderson/Johnson/Egbuka/Burden over just Jeanty. I'm well documented as being high on this RB class as a group though.

This is why diversity in opinion is such a good thing. It shows how personalized preferences can get and that what works for you just wouldn't work for somebody else. I also agree with you about running backs and would only take one begrudgingly vs. taking, say, three first-rounders. I think I like Ilov80s' offer a bunch.
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.

I think 2-3 years ago is ancient history when talking about a 33 year old RB.

When a 32 year old RB has a sucky season it's usually because they've hit the wall. How many RBs have a terrible season at age 32 and then end up bouncing back? I'm sure it's happened but 99% of the time a RB sucks at age 32 it's because they're donezo.

I know you're right in general, but I also think Mostert is sui generis. He played special teams for a long time and just had a rollicking 2023. Down year in '24, sure, but he just hasn't played as much as some other guys. That said, this is throwing good money after bad if you invest in Mostert or think Jeanty will lose a lot of work to him. I don't see that happening.
I think the low mileage logic has diminishing returns as the player gets longer in the tooth. At this poin Mostert is probably better suited building bridges than being a significant factor in the NFL.
 
Fair points about Mostert's age. I think he's a JAG despite his extremely good numbers. But 2022-2023 he had a combined 450 touches. Though each year is further separation from his prime, that isn't exactly ancient history. Just saying, don't be blown away if Jeanty gets <70% of RB touches.

I think 2-3 years ago is ancient history when talking about a 33 year old RB.

When a 32 year old RB has a sucky season it's usually because they've hit the wall. How many RBs have a terrible season at age 32 and then end up bouncing back? I'm sure it's happened but 99% of the time a RB sucks at age 32 it's because they're donezo.

I know you're right in general, but I also think Mostert is sui generis. He played special teams for a long time and just had a rollicking 2023. Down year in '24, sure, but he just hasn't played as much as some other guys. That said, this is throwing good money after bad if you invest in Mostert or think Jeanty will lose a lot of work to him. I don't see that happening.
I think the low mileage logic has diminishing returns as the player gets longer in the tooth. At this poin Mostert is probably better suited building bridges than being a significant factor in the NFL.
I agree. We are still talking about a 33 year old man who has played 9 years of professional football. He was playing special teams, at practice, minicamps, training, etc. He has logged almost 3,000 NFL snaps. He has suffered a pec injury, knee sprain, ankle sprain, broken thumb, knee strain, knee ligament tear, patella injury, high ankle sprain, another high ankle sprain, mcl sprain, calf strain, concussion, broken arm and unspecified shoulder injury resulting in 47 games missed. Dude has put his body through a lot.
 
Hypno Toad forbid anything happens to Jeanty but if he misses a game or two I could see the Raiders rely more heavily on Mostert over Zamir & Sincere. But, if Jeanty misses a lot of time then I expect to see more of Zamir, possibly McCormick and Mostert mostly used in "important" situations.
 

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