BlackCrowes
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terrible. Allgier isn't a fullback
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RB Bijan Robinson, ATL (2 Viewers)
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The biggest issue is he's not THAT much better than Allgeier. That's not a knock on Bijan, Allgeier is just really good. Same thing is happening with the NYJ. Other guy gets the hot hand, why not stick with him?
Ministry of Pain
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oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Had that TD taken away on a ghost holding penalty but he needs to start producing very soon to remotely justify his ADP.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Maybe Arthur smith should get another job, bustjan wasn’t his fault
Down Under
Footballguy
I have no shares (I never had a chance), but I really liked him coming into this year (but then, I really liked him going into last year too 
). Honestly surprised at his stats, but I haven't seen any of their games this year. I need to go watch some Youtube to see what is going on.
). Honestly surprised at his stats, but I haven't seen any of their games this year. I need to go watch some Youtube to see what is going on.Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I heard a stat, don’t know if it’s true, he’s had one top 5 week in his nfl career
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
On the season—he has 28 more rushing attempts than Allgier and only 58 more rushing yards than him. If you have Bijan—I think you have to start him—as there is no doubt that he’s explosive—but I also think that the Falcons coaching staff can’t ignore that Allgier probably needs/deserves more touches. With Cousins not looking great—-I’d personally like to see the Falcons dedicate themselves more to the running game. I’d like to see them force feed both of their capable runners which could open things up for their passing game—but maybe I’m just a hopeful Allgier owner.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
So he's a high-priced Najee lol
Dizzy
Footballguy
Sounds about right. He was "good" last year, but every week was "this could be the week he blows up" (as projected on a weekly basis)... next thing you know, the season's over and we all blamed the coach.
Here we are, 2024, new coach, and it is rinse and repeat. Have to question his commitment to the game at some point.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I kind of wish we had message boards and social media in the Curtis Enis/Blair Thomas days.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
I’m considering selling while I still can in redraft. Thank me after I do, because it will mean he blows up the next week after.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Yes...that happens when you get more carries.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Tomorrow is the 1 year anniversary of his last 100 yard rushing game.
Boy howdy.
Boy howdy.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Full disclosure—-I own no shares of Bijan, but I do have Allgier rostered in both of the leagues that I’m in. I probably would not sell Bijan after a quiet and disappointing week. I think you would want to move him after he has a week that at least reminds the fantasy community of his upside. With that said—I do think that Allgier is looking more and more like a guy that is a buy low candidate. The Falcons need to use their running backs more in order to rely on Cousins less. I’m not hating on Cousins—but they are asking a lot from a guy that is coming off a torn Achilles—when they have two really capable running backs. If I was a Bijan owner now—I would want Allgier for two reasons. If I am in the camp that I want to keep Bijan—Allgier is one of the best handcuffs in the league—and can be used as an emergency flex option if your team suffers other injuries. If you want to sell Bijan low—you could couple that with buying Allgier low—so that the equity loss on the Bijan side is offset by the fantasy community undervaluing Allgier.
Maybe it's a chicken and egg thing but it's the reverse of what you are saying...you get more carries when you look better
Is it? Just as I said before with you, Tyler has a role. He isn't "bordering on insignificant" at all.
It was when I said it and I'm not going to play after the fact jack games with you. Grow up.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
100% agreed. Ask any defensive player which one they prefer in the backfield when they play?
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jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I am not in the camp that Allgier is a better RB than Bijan- but I dont think that he has to be. He just needs to show that he’s good/effective enough to command more opportunity— and I think he’s certainly done that. Hopefully they couple giving Allgier more carries with also giving Bijan more carries. If not, thats not good for Bijan owners. I personally think Bijan is a hold right now, and I think Allgier is clearly a buy low
Dizzy
Footballguy
Agreed, if evaluating on pure physical gifts; however, the eyeball test is a real thing to me... and I have seen enough of these two guys playing together to tell me that TA looks like he wants it more. Bijan runs like a guy that doesn't want to get hurt.
It's similar to QBs... NCAA career stats and physical/mental strengths are one thing, but nothing compares to playing with, and getting hit by, grown men that are getting paid to ruin your life.
Now do last year.
I'm not even going to reply to this. I'll take the high road. Take care.
If only we were playing last year
Ok, you got me. Allgeier is better because of a 4 game sample size.
This board is insufferable today.
OK you got me. Last year's stats are what matters.
I'll combine them. 2023 and 2024.
TA = 213 carries for 849 yards. 4 Touchdowns. 3.99 YPC
BR = 269 carries for 1,200 yards. 4 Touchdowns. 4.46 YPC.
I'm not saying TA is better. I am saying it's a lot closer than you and some others have made it. Especially when you considered his ADP.
I initially stated TA has a big role. You passed off his role as "bordering on insignificant".
Show me where I said TA is better.
Show me where I said that to you.
Because it was. And you needed to wait until another game had been played when that was not the case to come in here and pull up my post to refute that it was not. Then tried to say THAT was taking the high road.
In your reply above. You are insinuating I am making the case that TA is better.
It's all good. I'm going to move on. You have a good evening.
Lansdowne
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EBF
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My line all along has been that he's very good, but not the player he is advertised to be. The "wow" factor is not there with him.
We're now 269 carries into his NFL career and his longest rush is 38 yards. He has no runs over 19 yards this season.
Adrian Peterson in his rookie season had rushes of 55, 64, 73 yards.
Barkley had 50, 51, 68, 68, 78. That's just his first season.
Chubb on <200 carries as a rookie had runs of 40, 63, 92 yards.
Zeke had runs of 42, 55, and 60 yards as a rookie.
Where are the chunk plays with Bijan? Where is the value-over-replacement? It's unfair to compare him to some of the best rushers in the last 20 years of the NFL, but that's what he was touted to become. He has not backed it up with splash plays. The Bengals using a thrift store combination of Zack Moss and Chase Brown are basically getting the same production. This is why teams are leery of spending big on RBs. It's easy to find serviceable.
I actually like the player and think he'll have a good career, but when you are treated like a Pro Bowl guy before you even play a down, there's no upside. You can only meet expectations or fall below them. So far in the NFL Bijan has been a lot more pedestrian than expected.
We're now 269 carries into his NFL career and his longest rush is 38 yards. He has no runs over 19 yards this season.
Adrian Peterson in his rookie season had rushes of 55, 64, 73 yards.
Barkley had 50, 51, 68, 68, 78. That's just his first season.
Chubb on <200 carries as a rookie had runs of 40, 63, 92 yards.
Zeke had runs of 42, 55, and 60 yards as a rookie.
Where are the chunk plays with Bijan? Where is the value-over-replacement? It's unfair to compare him to some of the best rushers in the last 20 years of the NFL, but that's what he was touted to become. He has not backed it up with splash plays. The Bengals using a thrift store combination of Zack Moss and Chase Brown are basically getting the same production. This is why teams are leery of spending big on RBs. It's easy to find serviceable.
I actually like the player and think he'll have a good career, but when you are treated like a Pro Bowl guy before you even play a down, there's no upside. You can only meet expectations or fall below them. So far in the NFL Bijan has been a lot more pedestrian than expected.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Kamara is RB1 and he's not had a run over 40 yards in 4 years or so much as a run over 20 yards in 2 years.
EBF
Footballguy
Kamara is 29 and has never had a 1k+ rushing season in the NFL. He's an elite fantasy asset because of his receiving.
All the same, he had a 74 yard rushing play among his 120 rookie carries.
For a guy touted to be electric, Bijan has not shown much sizzle in the NFL.
On 342 career touches, he has one play over 40 yards (a 71 yard reception last season).
He was advertised to be a special talent, but has been more of grinder so far.
Point I'm making is Kamara rarely breaks off long runs, has not broke one off in years and only has 5 over 40 in his entire caree so this is not new because of his age. He's an awesome RB so focusing on just that aspect does not do much for me is again the point I'm making.
I never recall Bijan being touted as electric. A special mover, incredible cuts, and all around skill set. I 100% see every single bit of that.
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