LionOfGosforth
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Then I apologize, play-off stress hitting my reading comprehension
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RB Chase Brown, CIN (2 Viewers)
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Then I apologize, play-off stress hitting my reading comprehension
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I hear Motel 6 is cheap.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jonnu Smith would like a word.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In the case of Kincaid, I think the steady drumbeat of “X # of targets vacated” by the departures of Diggs & Davis proved to be enough hyperbole to elevate Kincaid beyond reasonable expectations.
Unfortunately Kincaid has failed to even meet reasonable expectations, but I do believe it was fair to expect a higher floor.
In the big picture, sometimes FF folks overthink situations. It seems reasonable to see vacated targets and make the direct line assumption that the remaining players will absorb them. In the case of Shakir, it largely worked out.
In the case of Kincaid, notsomuch.
Jonnu had 1 really good game until the past 4 weeks. I'd also say, unlike all the other guys I mentioned, he was a waiver pickup, whereas the others were usually drafted.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Ya think?
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
The Bengals RZ playcalling is god awful. Taylor gets so dang pass-happy and abandons the run way too much.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Who knew one single play could completely sour me on a player. If he costs me a title because a pointless slide at the one I am going to loathe him for eternity. This is coming from a fellow Canadian.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
any updates? if out Herbert could be a great play
JohnnyU
Footballguy
People are still playing? ….jk
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Totally agree with you! Yeah I run my gf's work 18 team league top 4 get in -- Week 15 +16 is first round and 17+18 championship round. Dumb I know but I have zero say. Winner gets to choose where $$ winnings is applied to their favorite charity.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I’m my favorite charity.
eighsse2
Footballguy
That's terrible. So selfish. I, personally, always have such winnings donated to the Human Fund.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
If I wasn't so lazy I'd just create one and funnel it there. JK...sort of
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I’m humanThat's terrible. So selfish. I, personally, always have such winnings donated to the Human Fund.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I always thought you were a colt. (The Human Fund is a Seinfeld reference, just in case you don't know I'm joking.)I’m humanThat's terrible. So selfish. I, personally, always have such winnings donated to the Human Fund.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I knew you were joking, but I wasn’t joking about being human.I always thought you were a colt. (The Human Fund is a Seinfeld reference, just in case you don't know I'm joking.)I’m humanThat's terrible. So selfish. I, personally, always have such winnings donated to the Human Fund.
Which is more dumb - starting playoffs Week 14 with multiple teams/FF starters on a BYE or starting Week 15 and having teams strategize for a championship squad for Week 18. Six one half dozen the other.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Is Brown playing?
Why does FBG have him so low (19th) going into next season? I assume they expect the Bengals to draft a RB?
He finished 10th in PPR last year despite not doing much in the first three weeks.
Behind Najee, Jones and Connor? Just in front of Hubbard?
I see him as a top 10 lock in that offense with top 5 potential.
He finished 10th in PPR last year despite not doing much in the first three weeks.
Behind Najee, Jones and Connor? Just in front of Hubbard?
I see him as a top 10 lock in that offense with top 5 potential.
Faust
MVP
The Bengals brought in both of the Ohio State running backs in for visits:
Which Ohio State Running Back Would Be a Better Fit for the Cincinnati Bengals?
Running back is one of the position groups for the Bengals that needs additional resources to be added to the depth chart.
Which Ohio State Running Back Would Be a Better Fit for the Cincinnati Bengals?
Running back is one of the position groups for the Bengals that needs additional resources to be added to the depth chart.
With the holes they have, I can't see them drafting a RB high. Guess we will see.
eighsse2
Footballguy
My first thought is, NO. Would not want a RB, even one of those two unless they slipped to the third round. How many offensive weapons would it take to become excited about this team without a defense and o-line still weak? The whole draft haul should be defense and OL, we need every dart throw we can get.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I could see them drafting Judkins and that would hurt Brown's value, regardless what people say in this forum. The Bengals want a bigger back to pair with Brown and I'm convinced of that. In a deep RB class like this one, if someone decides to trade Brown now I wouldn't blame them. Could it backfire? Of course it could. That's the gambling part that makes it so interesting.
brewer
Footballguy
I wouldn't expect the Bengals to draft a RB early but I also didn't expect the Bengals to be paying Burrow, JaMarr Chase and Higgins $90M for next year either, so who knows.
People point to the strong RB draft class, and I agree, there are a lot of options, which also should push down the secondary RB market. As such, if I am the Bengals, I'd rather lock in the lower salary of a good player on the other side of the ball and still get a competent RB for not a lot of money.
But since this is a Chase Brown thread, my money is on the Bengals bringing in someone, but regardless of who that is, Brown being the lead dog of this backfield in 2025.
People point to the strong RB draft class, and I agree, there are a lot of options, which also should push down the secondary RB market. As such, if I am the Bengals, I'd rather lock in the lower salary of a good player on the other side of the ball and still get a competent RB for not a lot of money.
But since this is a Chase Brown thread, my money is on the Bengals bringing in someone, but regardless of who that is, Brown being the lead dog of this backfield in 2025.
Well apparently all the talk yesterday was that Henderson is more likely then not to go in round one so not him.
I own a lot of Chase Brown in dynasty and Bengals laying off RB early is one of my biggest points of interest heading into the draft. But while I know Chase earned a nice role in this offense nothing about me expects that volume we got after Moss went down and even if the Bengals wait till day 3 the quality of RB's they'd be able to land well into round 5 type range will be legit threats to eat into his role or force a full on timeshare. Like all but a small handful of Rb's he's dicey right now, not of a total value loss but of a fairly significant diminishment.
He was traded in a league of mine two days ago straight up for Devonta Smith as a reference point.
I think he remains the guy but sees his usage drop a little. He can still be a top 10 RB in that situation.
Seems like Burrow likes him and it's obvious what Burrow likes, Burrow gets.
I agree that Burrow likes him and that's a big part of the equation and one of the things that give me the most encouragement.
But you are running a lot more optimistic then me. He was RB31 in PPG last year before Moss got hurt and then just had no legit comp the ROS. Maybe Perine has nothing left,we'll see, but already I think he presents more of a threat to his third down role and goal line roles he owned all to himself after Moss went down then anyone threatened those roles last year and that's before they draft a RB. Perine and a decent drafted RB could be very impactful.
He's going as RB13 in last week or so in FFPC leagues. There is room for growth for sure, depending how the draft unfolds he can climb the ladder into top 10 range. But right now, I don't want to pay RB13 prices for him. Have not put him up for sale in any dynasty leagues though, I'd for sure look at any offers but feel like if I tried shopping him I'd just be greeted by people assuming he's taking a hit.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
While I think they want another back to pair with Brown, I'm not worried about a washed up Perine hurting Brown's value.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
This is where I'm at. As much as fantasy owners, including myself at times, will scream for guys like Aaron Jones, Tony Pollard, Jaylen Warren, and Chase Brown to be work horse feature backs... that's not at all what their teams want. I don't think it's a death knell for his fantasy value at all; like others pointed out he can still easily be a RB1 on this explosive of an offense (that's paired with a horrid defense) sharing the load. But these guys are not built for an 80% share over a whole season. Few backs are. The coaches care much more about them being both healthy, and not on an empty tank, come the end of the season and through the playoffs.
The only reason it's slightly more nerve wracking for owners this year is the class is so good and deep. Normally the Bengals drafting a RB in the 4th or 5th round would be ho-hum for Brown owners because the typical talent level of the backs available there. This year they could be able to snag Devin Neal, DJ Giddens, or Damien Martinez in that range. And, IMO while it may be unpopular in this thread, I wouldn't be at all surprised if any of those three backs performed just as well if not better than Chase Brown when given the opportunity. I don't think they'll be stealing his entire role, but there's just a greater chance a mid round RB from this class could steal more touches from him than in previous years.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Nicely put.
eighsse2
Footballguy
By no means am I saying Henderson or Judkins would not be great to have and potentially way better than Brown. Just, if I were drafting for the Bengals, no way I would draft a RB not named Jeanty in round 1 or 2. (ETA: Okay, possibly Hampton, were he there in round 2. But no way that happens.)
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Maybe you are right about the Bengals and their draft, but Henderson could very easily go in round 1 and Judkins will probably go round 2. If Henderson doesn't go round 1, he is very much in play early round 2 for someone.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Since they are both Ohio State guys they would count as "local" and not apply to the 30-visit cap, no? Realizing this I think these visits more likely fall under do diligence at a position they are considering somewhere in the draft. If they unexpectedly fall then maybe you see one of 'em but I don't think this indicates them spending a premium pick on one of 'em.
Jeanty did take up one of their 30 visits but again that may be a scenario where if against most odds he slides to 17 the Bengals might feel compelled to spend the pick on him.
So I still think Chase will be the guy next year but I also thing the Bengals don't want to be back in a situation where one player is getting all of the carries outside passing downs like it came to be with Mixon.
-QG
This gets said every year, and every year it happens.
If it were me personally, I’d be shopping Brown. Brown owners will be holding their breath when Cincy’s on the clock at 49, 81, and 119.
I’m not knocking Brown at all, it’s just how I see the situation.
Every year it happens with a few teams but many times it doesn't. I'd be buying Brown everywhere. As pointed out above these are local visits, so absolutely no reason not to bring them in. Means nothing. Also big gap in draft capital b/t pick 81 and 119. the latter wouldn't have me blink an eye.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
It's a gamble either way. It really could go either way.
Admittedly, I have not read through this whole thread, and I have Brown in only one league (where I have unsuccessfully tried to trade him). But it's been pointed out that Brown himself is a 5th-round pick, right? Granted, the vast majority of Day 3 RBs don't amount to much, but if the Bengals don't take a RB on the first two days but take one on the third, it'll be fun arguing that the Day 3 RB is or isn't a threat to the starting RB who also was a Day 3 pick.
That’s interesting, considering Brown himself was 163rd overall…
When Moss got hurt Chase Brown was came close to a 100% RB touch share. 184 out of 193 and would have been more but Herbert got some touches when Brown went down in the Denver game.
In week 18, Khalil Herbert took 100% of the RB touches.
So to me:
You can see why the Bengals are in the RB market. They had to make Chase Brown and eventually Herbert 100% touch RB's because of a lack of depth.
The RB fantasy numbers did not improve when Moss got hurt. Brown just moved from getting 50% of that allotment to close to 100% of it.
Brown was RB31 in PPG with Moss, who was RB34.
Moss is not some world beater talent so not sure why anyone would think just about anyone they draft, even on day 3, is not a threat to seriously hamper Brown. I'm just hoping he can hang onto a RB2 role and be more like a 60-65% snap guy. For fantasy purposes that RB who was taking on nearly 100% of the touches after Moss got hurt is gone.
In week 18, Khalil Herbert took 100% of the RB touches.
So to me:
You can see why the Bengals are in the RB market. They had to make Chase Brown and eventually Herbert 100% touch RB's because of a lack of depth.
The RB fantasy numbers did not improve when Moss got hurt. Brown just moved from getting 50% of that allotment to close to 100% of it.
Brown was RB31 in PPG with Moss, who was RB34.
Moss is not some world beater talent so not sure why anyone would think just about anyone they draft, even on day 3, is not a threat to seriously hamper Brown. I'm just hoping he can hang onto a RB2 role and be more like a 60-65% snap guy. For fantasy purposes that RB who was taking on nearly 100% of the touches after Moss got hurt is gone.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Brown being a 5th round pick, the blow is lessened by what have you done for me lately.
Most day 3 RB's don't pan out, Brown happened to be one that did, I like to make decisions based on what is most likely to happen.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I wouldn't necessarily make a 3rd day connection just because Brown was a 3rd day pick. Teams take flyers on day 3 all the time, Now if they were to invest a top 3 pick then I will be more concerned. But Brown's original draft position doesn't mean a lot to me, he is still the #1 on a very good offense.
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Sure, he panned out when he was the last man standing in the backfield.
I’d be…hesitant, to say the least, that Brown’s snap share resembles anything close this year to what it did last.
He got nearly a 100% snap share the 2nd half of the season so of course it will go down, that's not sustainable for an entire season for anyone.
