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I saw the top RB times listed on NFL Network earlier. Next best was like 6.87. Neither Fournette nor Cook were on the list (it was either top 5 or top 10, I can't remember) the last time listed was 6.99 so I assume, if they both ran the 3 cone, they were both north of 7 seconds.
Therein lies the rub.I hate to say this, but honestly, if you look at McCaffrey's production, family tree, and combine metrics, if he had the same pigmentation as most NFL RBs, is there any doubt he'd be a top 2 pick in FF leagues??
You sound like you've never been wrong on evaluating prospects. That's so incredibly awesome.
There we go, it's ok to post on this subject if you're kissing McCaffreys ###, but not if you don't like him? That about cover it?
Do you have a reason for not liking him other than that he's white? Because that's not only racist, it's stupid.
No, but the attitude that your leaguemates are "making a mistake" as if you know so much more than anyone else before anything has happened is what comes across as toolish.
I think CJ Spiller is about the best comp of production, athleticism, and smallish size. If I recall, he was a top 3 pick in most leagues.I hate to say this, but honestly, if you look at McCaffrey's production, family tree, and combine metrics, if he had the same pigmentation as most NFL RBs, is there any doubt he'd be a top 2 pick in FF leagues??
Could you point out the all the "great white hopes" who had 2000-yard rushing seasons in college, and the best numbers at the NFL combine?
Technically, it's not racist to say there are very few white running backs in a significant role at the professional level. That's just a fact.
Could you point out all the significant white RBs who ran for 2000 yards in college and killed it at the combine?
You're right, and if you think he's gonna be the outlier than I encourage you to draft him before Fournette and Cook, ect, as I encourage everyone to do in all my leagues.
I couldn't be less racist on this subject. My stance is that in a league that hasn't seen a white RB of significance in 30 years I'm not gonna risk a top five rookie pick on a small white RB who ran roughshod over the Charmin soft Pac 10 for two years.
Well Toby Gerhart is a good start. Same school, over 1800 yards, 28 TD's in one season, Doak Walker award, Archie Griffin award, Heisman runner-up in the closest voting ever, unanimous first team all-American.
Of course not, but that doesn't mean you ignore them if they have the talent to be successful. I won't act like he's a lock, but if someone likes him over cook or fournette it's fine by me, they have their warts too. They both have injury history, Cook didn't have a very good combine, fournette either really. Mixon and mccaffery could be the best rbs in this class but one has his transgressions caught on tape and one is squeaky clean white guy so everyone is scared to take them. Sitting at 1.02 in one league I'd be happy to trade back and get one of those 3 guys plus, and while cook and fournette are still good prospects in my eyes, neither is a sure bet either.
Honestly, I see where you're coming from and almost went back and edited my post, but I got a tad drunk watching baseball and forgot.petekrum said:
No harm done sir. Anyone who knows me knows I'm the farthest thing from a racist. If I think a guy can play I don't care if he's black, white, yellow or green.
While this is true, and while I'm generally on the McCaffrey side, it was a fair answer to the question he was being asked. He wasn't asked to name a RB with a similar running style.
How many non-white guys have run for 2k yards?
You asked:
Could you point out all the significant white RBs who ran for 2000 yards in college and killed it at the combine?
Thats what I was answering.
You posted someone who didn't rush for 2000 yards, and at the combine among RBs, finished 10th in 40 time, 4th in vertical, 9th in broad jump, 10th in shuttle, and 8th in 3-cone. In other words, the large, slow, plodding RB that we knew Gerhart was. That has no relevance to McCaffrey's prospects. Gerhart is in fact a lot more similar to Fournette, so if you want to use Gerhart as a comp, you should be downgrading Fournette, not McCaffrey.
You asked:
Could you point out all the significant white RBs who ran for 2000 yards in college and killed it at the combine?
Thats what I was answering.
You don't think the complete lack of any successful green RBs in the NFL implies that green ones who show potential are more suspect than others? Because that seems to be the line of reasoning used by many posters for the somewhat less rare white ones.
Lots of white ones try and don't make it. When the same number of green ones try and don't make it, we can have that discussion.
And yet Gerhart's vertical was more than Christian's, Gerhart's bench press was better, and Gerhart scored more TD's. We can all pick and choose stats.
I think he'll be a good player. Punt returner, slot guy, receiving back. I don't think he will be a featured, three-down back.
How many green RBs had good enough college careers and measurables to be first-round NFL draft picks?
Well when some people here are saying he's the number one RB in this class, or at least very close to the top, you sure better be hoping for a 3 down back.
I don't know if that's true anymore.
