He had 30 touches 4 days earlierYou don’t hurt your hamstring because you had 9 touches in a game, to blame this on over usage after he played 3 games last season is lazy and untrue.
He had 30 touches 4 days earlierYou don’t hurt your hamstring because you had 9 touches in a game, to blame this on over usage after he played 3 games last season is lazy and untrue.
Whether there's a scientific reason or not, this is hard to argue against. I would even say "or who have even had a major role at all for more than 2 years after being #1 for 3 years". Or something like that, you get the idea. They don't last long.I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues. Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?
I’m sure one of the stat heads here can serve up a mention in terms of #1 overall vs being in the top 5 etc, but this was the year that I understood why people in ffpc were taking Kelce #1 overall over cmac.Whether there's a scientific reason or not, this is hard to argue against. I would even say "or who have even had a major role at all for more than 2 years after being #1 for 3 years". Or something like that, you get the idea. They don't last long.
I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues. Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?
Matt Rhule ruined the guy - lets see how that offense looks now.Even if he's back in 3-6 weeks how much longer can they keep giving this dude the kind of insane volume that puts him so far ahead of the fantasy competition?
Henry seems to be risky too. Talk about punishment.Team picking 1st overall in our redraft league passed on McCaffrey (took Henry)... shared an interesting stat - last consensus #1 overall fantasy pick to finish in the top-2 was Tomlinson (2007).
I'm on board with "issues leading to further issues" as well. Every situation is different, but basically guys recovering from serious injuries have a physically demanding off-season. No rest, all work, must put added strain on connecting tissues.
Child pleaseI know some people have stated it in jest, but he really should look into the TB12 method or something similar. I shouldn't speak out of turn for CMac's diet by any means, but people need to understand there is significant merit to the idea of eating in such a way that your body and tissues have reduced inflammation and therefore reduced likelihood to "malfunction." I've said for years - how/why is it that we see some of these guys that look like they are chiseled out of granite, 2% body fat, "in great shape" blah blah blah, but then one misstep and their achilles tendons explode? All the training, all the reps, the hours, the effort, gone in ONE incorrect rep.
Well, because the majority of these athletes are walking around with tissues that are basically highly compacted sugar. Tons of these guys eat processed garbage, whether just raised on it and its now habit, or because they're surrounded by it wherever they go - but because their external appearances and on field performances indicate they are adonises in peak condition, they have no reason to question their diets. Many are highly inflamed (internally), undernourished, under slept, and under recovered - a ticking time bomb in a collision sport like football.
I agree that all RBs are susceptible to injury, but this wasn't a contact injury.Also no doctor here, but IMO any RB can get hurt at any time and every touch is playing with fire that said RB comes away unscathed. The knees gets exposed on every hit, there's a lot of cutting in which one bad twitch can cause a muscle injury, etc. Sometimes it's just bad luck, although it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that the more touches, the greater the propensity to get hurt.
Yes, also the cutting aspect I also mentioned above. Even non-contract injuries can happen given the need for RBs to change direction/twitch the muscles.I agree that all RBs are susceptible to injury, but this wasn't a contact injury.Also no doctor here, but IMO any RB can get hurt at any time and every touch is playing with fire that said RB comes away unscathed. The knees gets exposed on every hit, there's a lot of cutting in which one bad twitch can cause a muscle injury, etc. Sometimes it's just bad luck, although it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that the more touches, the greater the propensity to get hurt.
Yes - it's possible this was 100% a fluke - but there really seems to be something to the over-use angle as well. A hamstring muscle tear seems to fit that narrative. Obviously no one knows for sure though.Yes, also the cutting aspect I also mentioned above. Even non-contract injuries can happen given the need for RBs to change direction/twitch the muscles.
LT is the only one I can think of with his 6-7 season stretch.I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues. Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?
Priest Holmes may have been another one, albeit for just a few years.LT is the only one I can think of with his 6-7 season stretch.I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues. Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?
For the defendersHenry seems to be risky too. Talk about punishment.
I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues. Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?
Honestly over the few years, it feels like the #1 rb just last 1 year. Of the top of my head you had David Johnson, Freeman, Barkley, and Gurley that were all basically 1 and done. Actually I think Gurley had 2 years he was the number 1 but the others just droppedI feel like it used to be more common. Faulk/LT/Peterson were all back to back to back. Maybe not exactly #1 the whole time but right up there in the top couple for long stretches. Peterson dropped out for a year when he blew the ACL but then of course he bounced back and had his best year ever the following year and was right back up there.
But yes lately guys seem to be falling off after a couple years. Though who knows maybe CMC will miss a month and come back and be the same dominant CMC and pick up right where he left off at #1.
but this was the year that I understood why people in ffpc were taking Kelce #1 overall over cmac.
I wasn't a big fan of Hubbard in college. I think he was a college RB, who relied on quickness to win, but that quickness may not be enough at the NFL level.
I'm expecting Royce Freeman to get a pretty big share of the work. This won't be Mike Davis 2.0. I'd say 60-40, and that Hubbard is going to be more of a flex play than a reliable RB2.
In the study I did on this I found the average number of top 12 seasons for a RB who qualified was 2.I feel like it used to be more common. Faulk/LT/Peterson were all back to back to back. Maybe not exactly #1 the whole time but right up there in the top couple for long stretches. Peterson dropped out for a year when he blew the ACL but then of course he bounced back and had his best year ever the following year and was right back up there.
But yes lately guys seem to be falling off after a couple years. Though who knows maybe CMC will miss a month and come back and be the same dominant CMC and pick up right where he left off at #1.
Maybe it’s just rationalization at this point, but as a CmC owner who also didn’t cuff him with Hubbard (he’s still a FA), I never considered Hubbard in that elite handcuff tier so I couldn’t justify the opportunity cost holding him this early in the season instead of trying to churn the end of the bench to find diamonds in the rough. As for FAAB reco’s, need to know more about severity before making a call on that.Bummed I didn’t cuff with Hubbard. Just wanted to churn the bench as I had rb2 depth. I guess I can learn from this process but I’m still not impressed with him. Odds are he will prove me wrong. Hope cmc gets back soon- he’s a big reason we’re all winning our games, mostly.
Also, it’s relatively easier to repeat when you’re a red zone machine and receptions are your bread and butter
Hubbard is on waivers in one of our leagues. I got like 60-70 %faab left with Carter and pollard as my next men up lol. Any recos?
Freeman does muddy things up a bit, but before last year Mike Davis was a complete bum in the NFL and looks to be a bum again in ATL. At the college level, Hubbard was far more productive than Davis. Freeman was a stud in college, but so far he hasn't done anything at this level. Hubbard has a legit chance to carve out a big role IMO.Ekeler missed what 6-7 games with a hamstring injury last year? His looked worse than CMC's did, and he certainly wasn't overused.
I wasn't a big fan of Hubbard in college. I think he was a college RB, who relied on quickness to win, but that quickness may not be enough at the NFL level.
I'm expecting Royce Freeman to get a pretty big share of the work. This won't be Mike Davis 2.0. I'd say 60-40, and that Hubbard is going to be more of a flex play than a reliable RB2.
This year? Or last?What a disaster the 1st round was for RBs. Arguments for avoiding that position altogether in the 1st round are getting stronger.
Was thinking more about last year, and the idea of drafting the position in general in the first round at this point, but this year isn’t looking ideal either. In particular the back half/later first RBs have been uninspiring (Taylor, Gibson, etc.)This year? Or last?
Ya but not everyone ends exactly where they're drafted. If you're drafting an RB round 1, you want him to end a top 5-10 RB. Cook, Henry, Jones, and Chubb have all looked the part. Only other RB's consistantly going round 1 were Kamara, Zeke, and CMC. Taylor, Gibson, Barkley, Mixon, etc were often dropping to round 2. 5 of the 7 first round lock RBs currently sitting at 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5th place in standard right now is pretty damn impressive and a good reason to take RB round 1. Not everyone will hit.Was thinking more about last year, and the idea of drafting the position in general in the first round at this point, but this year isn’t looking ideal either. In particular the back half/later first RBs have been uninspiring (Taylor, Gibson, etc.)
If it's going to be a multi-week injury, just PUT HIM ON IR!!!Pseudo update
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1441442528692248590?s=20
”#Panthers star RB Christian McCaffrey is expected to miss a few weeks, sources say, as the team continues to run tests on his hamstring injury suffered last night. IR is not the plan as of now. Rookie Chuba Hubbard is the next man up.”
Last year they drove us nuts. Supposed to be back. Then on game day ruled out. Then Tuesday he would go to questionable. So every week he’d go on and off your IR spot. This coaching staff evidently wanted opposing teams to game plan as if CMC was playing.If it's going to be a multi-week injury, just PUT HIM ON IR!!!
In the study I did on this I found the average number of top 12 seasons for a RB who qualified was 2.
Emmitt LT Peterson were some of the exceptions to this. Maybe Faulk had 4 or 5 I would have to look at that again to be sure.
Oh and Barry Sanders
Here is the study
24% of the sample size had 3 or more 40 VBD seasons.
Priest, Larry Johnson. KC RBs in that era were league winnersPriest Holmes may have been another one, albeit for just a few years.
Yeah, I didn't have CmC last year, but had the displeasure of having Joe Mixon and dealing with that hack Zac Taylor's shenanigans. It was beyond frustrating. (Shout out to all my Mixon owners looking for those useless Ben Baby updates).Last year they drove us nuts. Supposed to be back. Then on game day ruled out. Then Tuesday he would go to questionable. So every week he’d go on and off your IR spot. This coaching staff evidently wanted opposing teams to game plan as if CMC was playing.
Team picking 1st overall in our redraft league passed on McCaffrey (took Henry)... shared an interesting stat - last consensus #1 overall fantasy pick to finish in the top-2 was Tomlinson (2007).
I'm on board with "issues leading to further issues" as well. Every situation is different, but basically guys recovering from serious injuries have a physically demanding off-season. No rest, all work, must put added strain on connecting tissues.
AgreeMaybe it’s just rationalization at this point, but as a CmC owner who also didn’t cuff him with Hubbard (he’s still a FA), I never considered Hubbard in that elite handcuff tier so I couldn’t justify the opportunity cost holding him this early in the season instead of trying to churn the end of the bench to find diamonds in the rough. As for FAAB reco’s, need to know more about severity before making a call on that.
farm to table =\= field to tentI can across this article which makes it sound like he is doing all of the right things…
https://www.insider.com/christian-mccaffrey-diet-health-blood-tests-local-farms-2021-5
ohhhh, look at me with all my positivity and good vibes.Sometimes a hammy is just a hammy.
He didn’t tear an ACL, he’s not out for the year.
no one said anything weeks 1 or 2 when he was putting up 27-30 PPR points a week.
Dude pulled a hammy. It happens to guys who don’t have all the carries. Heck, it happens to rookies in training camp. Just one of those things that happens in pro sports.
Seems like a lot of post hock analysis up in here. Hopefully he’s ok in a couple weeks and plays out the season. That also happens with hammys.
ohhhh, look at me with all my positivity and good vibes.
what’s wrong with you?
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Muscle strains come from overload. Incorrect training and/or usage.
Muscles can only take a certain amount of load before overstretching or tearing. The amount of load decreases if your muscles are fatigued. Lack of pliability could be a contributing factor.
This is probably solely related to his strength and pliability training vs usage this year.
Watching the play, he was trying to burst around the left side edge and reach top speed. He reached for a gear that gave out.
For me this is more of an indictment of:
Thursday night game after too much usage on Sunday. 20 fewer snaps last Sunday and maybe he's fine today. Sunday before Thursday should probably be looked at by teams as a game to rotate guys if they can.
Lack of proper training. Maybe he worked so hard on the areas that were trouble last year that he somewhat neglected the hammys?
Oh, so it’s your fault?Moments before the injury the announcers were talking about how big his legs were.... and the alleged benefits of his rehab training. My immediate thought was "uh-oh... kiss of death". And then he got hurt.
Nice find. I respect that the guy has been one of the most talented players in the NFL since he entered the league, but still learned and acknowledged there's more he can do outside of direct 'football activities' to give himself the best possible chance at longevity - especially in a position that it is becoming more and more of a rarity. I believe Derrick Henry has been taking a similar approach (not sure about diet, but I think he does recovery-related stuff basically all day long.)I can across this article which makes it sound like he is doing all of the right things…
https://www.insider.com/christian-mccaffrey-diet-health-blood-tests-local-farms-2021-5
Oh, so it’s your fault?
Serious question, where are you getting this info? the vague timeline info we've gotten seems more like grade 1 but I don't think they've released the grade info.I think he will miss 6 weeks or more. It was at least a grade 2. Those really suck.