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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (9 Viewers)

I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues.  Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?  
 

 
I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues.  Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?  
 
Whether there's a scientific reason or not, this is hard to argue against. I would even say "or who have even had a major role at all for more than 2 years after being #1 for 3 years". Or something like that, you get the idea. They don't last long.

 
Whether there's a scientific reason or not, this is hard to argue against. I would even say "or who have even had a major role at all for more than 2 years after being #1 for 3 years". Or something like that, you get the idea. They don't last long.
I’m sure one of the stat heads here can serve up a mention in terms of #1 overall vs being in the top 5 etc, but this was the year that I understood why people in ffpc were taking Kelce #1 overall over cmac. 
 

i think Maurile had a thread a long time ago about “confidence” in being the overall #1. While I didn’t have the stones in my local league to pass on cmac (and I made sure to draft chubba all over the place) I did question the dalvin cmac 1/2 group think for a bit leading up to the pick. 

 
I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues.  Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?  
 


Team picking 1st overall in our redraft league passed on McCaffrey (took Henry)... shared an interesting stat - last consensus #1 overall fantasy pick to finish in the top-2 was Tomlinson (2007).

I'm on board with "issues leading to further issues" as well. Every situation is different, but basically guys recovering from serious injuries have a physically demanding off-season. No rest, all work, must put added strain on connecting tissues.

 
Also no doctor here, but IMO any RB can get hurt at any time and every touch is playing with fire that said RB comes away unscathed. The knees gets exposed on every hit, there's a lot of cutting in which one bad twitch can cause a muscle injury, etc.  Sometimes it's just bad luck, although it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that the more touches, the greater the propensity to get hurt. 

 
Team picking 1st overall in our redraft league passed on McCaffrey (took Henry)... shared an interesting stat - last consensus #1 overall fantasy pick to finish in the top-2 was Tomlinson (2007).

I'm on board with "issues leading to further issues" as well. Every situation is different, but basically guys recovering from serious injuries have a physically demanding off-season. No rest, all work, must put added strain on connecting tissues.
Henry seems to be risky too.  Talk about punishment.  

 
I know some people have stated it in jest, but he really should look into the TB12 method or something similar.  I shouldn't speak out of turn for CMac's diet by any means, but people need to understand there is significant merit to the idea of eating in such a way that your body and tissues have reduced inflammation and therefore reduced likelihood to "malfunction."  I've said for years - how/why is it that we see some of these guys that look like they are chiseled out of granite, 2% body fat, "in great shape" blah blah blah, but then one misstep and their achilles tendons explode?  All the training, all the reps, the hours, the effort, gone in ONE incorrect rep.

Well, because the majority of these athletes are walking around with tissues that are basically highly compacted sugar.  Tons of these guys eat processed garbage, whether just raised on it and its now habit, or because they're surrounded by it wherever they go - but because their external appearances and on field performances indicate they are adonises in peak condition, they have no reason to question their diets.  Many are highly inflamed (internally), undernourished, under slept, and under recovered - a ticking time bomb in a collision sport like football.  
Child please

Relevant to this topic is @ 2:15

He was a special one. Miss those days

 
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Also no doctor here, but IMO any RB can get hurt at any time and every touch is playing with fire that said RB comes away unscathed. The knees gets exposed on every hit, there's a lot of cutting in which one bad twitch can cause a muscle injury, etc.  Sometimes it's just bad luck, although it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that the more touches, the greater the propensity to get hurt. 
I agree that all RBs are susceptible to injury, but this wasn't a contact injury.

 
Also no doctor here, but IMO any RB can get hurt at any time and every touch is playing with fire that said RB comes away unscathed. The knees gets exposed on every hit, there's a lot of cutting in which one bad twitch can cause a muscle injury, etc.  Sometimes it's just bad luck, although it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that the more touches, the greater the propensity to get hurt. 
I agree that all RBs are susceptible to injury, but this wasn't a contact injury.
Yes, also the cutting aspect I also mentioned above. Even non-contract injuries can happen given the need for RBs to change direction/twitch the muscles.

 
Yes, also the cutting aspect I also mentioned above. Even non-contract injuries can happen given the need for RBs to change direction/twitch the muscles.
Yes - it's possible this was 100% a fluke - but there really seems to be something to the over-use angle as well. A hamstring muscle tear seems to fit that narrative. Obviously no one knows for sure though.

 
I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues.  Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?  
 
 LT is the only one I can think of with his 6-7 season stretch.

 
I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues.  Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?  
 
 LT is the only one I can think of with his 6-7 season stretch.
Priest Holmes may have been another one, albeit for just a few years.

 
Bummed I didn’t cuff with Hubbard. Just wanted to churn the bench as I had rb2 depth. I guess I can learn from this process but I’m still not impressed with him. Odds are he will prove me wrong. Hope cmc gets back soon- he’s a big reason we’re all winning our games, mostly.

Also, it’s relatively easier to repeat when you’re a red zone machine and receptions are your bread and butter

Hubbard is on waivers in one of our leagues. I got like 60-70 %faab left with Carter and pollard as my next men up lol. Any recos?

 
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I the one league that I had the first pick I took cmac, but as I said in a different thread (the ffpc one) once rbs start to have issues they tend to keep having issues.  Also, how many rbs have stayed as the #1 overall player for more than 3 years?  
 


I feel like it used to be more common.  Faulk/LT/Peterson were all back to back to back.  Maybe not exactly #1 the whole time but right up there in the top couple for long stretches.  Peterson dropped out for a year when he blew the ACL but then of course he bounced back and had his best year ever the following year and was right back up there.

But yes lately guys seem to be falling off after a couple years.  Though who knows maybe CMC will miss a month and come back and be the same dominant CMC and pick up right where he left off at #1.

 
I feel like it used to be more common.  Faulk/LT/Peterson were all back to back to back.  Maybe not exactly #1 the whole time but right up there in the top couple for long stretches.  Peterson dropped out for a year when he blew the ACL but then of course he bounced back and had his best year ever the following year and was right back up there.

But yes lately guys seem to be falling off after a couple years.  Though who knows maybe CMC will miss a month and come back and be the same dominant CMC and pick up right where he left off at #1.
Honestly over the few years, it feels like the #1 rb just last 1 year. Of the top of my head you had David Johnson, Freeman, Barkley, and Gurley that were all basically 1 and done. Actually I think Gurley had 2 years he was the number 1 but the others just dropped

 
I'm going to say that spending 10 minutes in the tent makes me more optimistic, not less.  It's easier to decide right away "dude you're done for tonight" than to say "what if we rub it for a minute - does that help?  Does tape help?  Does a little whacky tabaccy help?"

As a (depressed) CMC owner, I hope they keep him out long enough to fully heal.  They're 3-0 with a legit shot at the playoffs - don't blow your long term chances for a slight improvement in winning this week.

 
 but this was the year that I understood why people in ffpc were taking Kelce #1 overall over cmac. 
 


It was rare to see someone not take CMC 1.1 and it was Cook as much as Kelce when it did occur.

My guess is the main driving factor that led a very small percentage of people to pass CMC at 1.1 in that contest is the fact his bye week was week one of the playoffs.

 
Ekeler missed what 6-7 games with a hamstring injury last year? His looked worse than CMC's did, and he certainly wasn't overused. 

I wasn't a big fan of Hubbard in college. I think he was a college RB, who relied on quickness to win, but that quickness may not be enough at the NFL level. 

I'm expecting Royce Freeman to get a pretty big share of the work. This won't be Mike Davis 2.0. I'd say 60-40, and that Hubbard is going to be more of a flex play than a reliable RB2. 

 
I wasn't a big fan of Hubbard in college. I think he was a college RB, who relied on quickness to win, but that quickness may not be enough at the NFL level. 

I'm expecting Royce Freeman to get a pretty big share of the work. This won't be Mike Davis 2.0. I'd say 60-40, and that Hubbard is going to be more of a flex play than a reliable RB2. 


Agreed. I didn't see anything last night that convinced me that Hubbard is a plug 'n' play while CMC is out. He'll be serviceable, but I would expect RB2 level stuff.

 
I feel like it used to be more common.  Faulk/LT/Peterson were all back to back to back.  Maybe not exactly #1 the whole time but right up there in the top couple for long stretches.  Peterson dropped out for a year when he blew the ACL but then of course he bounced back and had his best year ever the following year and was right back up there.

But yes lately guys seem to be falling off after a couple years.  Though who knows maybe CMC will miss a month and come back and be the same dominant CMC and pick up right where he left off at #1.
In the study I did on this I found the average number of top 12 seasons for a RB who qualified was 2.

Emmitt LT Peterson were some of the exceptions to this. Maybe Faulk had 4 or 5 I would have to look at that again to be sure.

Oh and Barry Sanders 

Here is the study

24% of the sample size had 3 or more 40 VBD seasons.

 
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Thru 3 games CMC on pace for:

1,139 rushing yards

924 receiving yards

91 catches, 6 touchdowns

Sadly, we could probably post the pace through 4 games already.  Or 5.  Or 6... 🤕

 
Bummed I didn’t cuff with Hubbard. Just wanted to churn the bench as I had rb2 depth. I guess I can learn from this process but I’m still not impressed with him. Odds are he will prove me wrong. Hope cmc gets back soon- he’s a big reason we’re all winning our games, mostly.

Also, it’s relatively easier to repeat when you’re a red zone machine and receptions are your bread and butter

Hubbard is on waivers in one of our leagues. I got like 60-70 %faab left with Carter and pollard as my next men up lol. Any recos?
Maybe it’s just rationalization at this point, but as a CmC owner who also didn’t cuff him with Hubbard (he’s still a FA), I never considered Hubbard in that elite handcuff tier so I couldn’t justify the opportunity cost holding him this early in the season instead of trying to churn the end of the bench to find diamonds in the rough. As for FAAB reco’s, need to know more about severity before making a call on that.

 
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Ekeler missed what 6-7 games with a hamstring injury last year? His looked worse than CMC's did, and he certainly wasn't overused. 

I wasn't a big fan of Hubbard in college. I think he was a college RB, who relied on quickness to win, but that quickness may not be enough at the NFL level. 

I'm expecting Royce Freeman to get a pretty big share of the work. This won't be Mike Davis 2.0. I'd say 60-40, and that Hubbard is going to be more of a flex play than a reliable RB2. 
Freeman does muddy things up a bit, but before last year Mike Davis was a complete bum in the NFL and looks to be a bum again in ATL. At the college level, Hubbard was far more productive than Davis. Freeman was a stud in college, but so far he hasn't done anything at this level. Hubbard has a legit chance to carve out a big role IMO.

 
This year?  Or last? 
Was thinking more about last year, and the idea of drafting the position in general in the first round at this point, but this year isn’t looking ideal either. In particular the back half/later first RBs have been uninspiring (Taylor, Gibson, etc.) 

 
Was thinking more about last year, and the idea of drafting the position in general in the first round at this point, but this year isn’t looking ideal either. In particular the back half/later first RBs have been uninspiring (Taylor, Gibson, etc.) 
Ya but not everyone ends exactly where they're drafted.  If you're drafting an RB round 1, you want him to end a top 5-10 RB.  Cook, Henry, Jones, and Chubb have all looked the part.  Only other RB's consistantly going round 1 were Kamara, Zeke, and CMC.  Taylor, Gibson, Barkley, Mixon, etc were often dropping to round 2.  5 of the 7 first round lock RBs currently sitting at 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5th place in standard right now is pretty damn impressive and a good reason to take RB round 1.  Not everyone will hit. 

 
Given how they handled him last year, they likely won’t rush him back and will make double sure he’s not going to injure again. I fear this may be more of 6-8 weeks time off if one month is the typical recovery time. 

 
If it's going to be a multi-week injury, just PUT HIM ON IR!!!
Last year they drove us nuts. Supposed to be back. Then on game day ruled out. Then Tuesday he would go to questionable. So every week he’d go on and off your IR spot. This coaching staff evidently wanted opposing teams to game plan as if CMC was playing. 

 
In the study I did on this I found the average number of top 12 seasons for a RB who qualified was 2.

Emmitt LT Peterson were some of the exceptions to this. Maybe Faulk had 4 or 5 I would have to look at that again to be sure.

Oh and Barry Sanders 

Here is the study

24% of the sample size had 3 or more 40 VBD seasons.


Yeah Faulk was a monster.  It's fun to go back and look at his stats.

5 straight years of 1500+ yards, 80+ receptions, 10+ TDs.  4 of those 5 years he had 2200+ yards.

And those were preceeded by 3 merely "really good" seasons of 1500-1700 yards, 8-12 TDs, and ~50 receptions each year (with one/injured off year in between)

ETA:

yards, receptions, TDs

1800, 52, 12
1600, 56, 14
1000, 56, 7
1500, 47, 8
2200, 86, 10
2400, 87, 12
2200, 81, 26
2100, 83, 21
1500, 80, 10

:jawdrop:

 
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This thread got me thinking.  Are the stud RB's of the past different than the guys today?  Well, there are certainly a handful that come to mind.  Faulk, LT, Holmes, Peterson, and for a shorter period, Terrell Davis in the late 90's.  So, I went back and looked at each, just to see exactly how dominant they really were.

Marshall Faulk was maybe the biggest "dual threat" of the bunch, in terms of both rushing and passing.  In the 10-year stretch from 1994 to 2003, he did the following....

- Surpassed 800 rushing yards in every season except 1996, and 1000+ rushing yards in  seven of the 10 seasons.  His average rushing yards/season during the 10-year stretch was over 1100.  

- Double-digit TD's in eight out of ten seasons, and averaged over 13 scores per season for a decade. 

- From 1998 to 2001, he had four straight seasons of 1300+ yards rushing, 80+ receptions, 2000+ yards from scrimmage, and averaged 17+ TD's per season.  That four-year stretch has never been duplicated.

Tomlinson was one of a kind., putting together eight straight dominant seasons.  Just a few of his stats from 2001 to 2008....

- 8 straight 1000-yard rushing seasons

- 7 straight 300+ carry seasons (and 292 in 2008)

- Surpassed 1500 total yards in all eight seasons, and 2000 total yards three times.

- Double-digit rushing TD's every year (and again in '09), and averaged 17 total TD's per season from 2001-09.  

- 50+ receptions in all eight seasons, with an average of 64 per season.  

Peterson's stretch of dominance was a bit more up and down, but that's also what makes it so remarkable.  His dominance was interrupted not only a major knee injury, but also a year-long suspension towards the end of his career.  He came back from both to surpass 300 carries, not to mention well over 1000 yards, the following season.  A few highlights of AP's stretch from 2007 to 2015 (removing 2014, when he was suspended)....

- Surpassed 1000 yards rushing every year, except 2011 when he suffered a season-ending knee injury after 12 games (and still came within 30 yards of 1000).

- Double-digit TD's every year, averaging 13 scores per season.

- Interestingly enough, AP only surpassed 300 carries four times, and averaged well UNDER 300 carries per season during those dominant eight seasons.  

- In 2012, AP returned from his knee injury after less than 9 months, and went on to have his best season of all.... 348 carries for 2097 yards rushing and 13 scores.  

- In 2015, after a full year suspension, Peterson led the league in carries, touches, rushing yards, and rushing TD's.  

Priest Holmes really only had three dominant seasons, but those three years may have been the most dominant three-year stretch in FF history.  They also happened to be during the start of LT's prime, so the two stretches completely overlapped.  Holmes from 2001 to 2003.....

- Three straight seasons with 2000+ yards from scrimmage, and averaged over 1500 rushing yards.

- Averaged 20+ TD's  per season for those three years, despite only scoring 10 in 2001.

- Averaged 69 catches per season, surpassing 600 receiving yards in all three seasons.

- Scored 24 times in 2002, and 27 times in 2003, while only fumbling ONCE in each of those seasons.   Not fumbles lost, but total fumbles.  

Terrell Davis also had a dominant three-year run, but it wasn't as good as Holmes.  Davis didn't catch as much out of the backfield, but his rushing numbers were superb from 1996 to 1998.  During that stretch, he averaged well over 100 rushing yards per game, and in excess of 360 carries per season.  He scored 53 times (almost 18/season), and surpassed 2000 yards rushing in '98. 

In summary, Faulk, LT, and AP all had 8 years or more where they were easily in the top 3 of the league, in terms of RB production.  Faulk's four-year stretch of surpassing 2000 scrimmage yards was undoubtedly the best four-year stretch ever.  Holmes had a much shorter stretch of dominance, but it was arguably the best three-year span ever, at least in terms of touchdowns.  Davis also had a three-year run, but he did it mainly just rushing (not nearly involved in the passing game as the rest).  

Man, those guys were special.  It certainly feels like they don't make 'em like that anymore.  

 
Last year they drove us nuts. Supposed to be back. Then on game day ruled out. Then Tuesday he would go to questionable. So every week he’d go on and off your IR spot. This coaching staff evidently wanted opposing teams to game plan as if CMC was playing. 
 Yeah, I didn't have CmC last year, but had the displeasure of having Joe Mixon and dealing with that hack Zac Taylor's shenanigans. It was beyond frustrating. (Shout out to all my Mixon owners looking for those useless Ben Baby updates).

Any coach who uses this strategy as a form of gamesmanship versus putting the guy on IR and actually adding someone who can contribute to the team, loses a lot of respect from me. I expect it out of a clueless coach like Taylor, but Rheule isn't putting himself in good company here. 

 
Team picking 1st overall in our redraft league passed on McCaffrey (took Henry)... shared an interesting stat - last consensus #1 overall fantasy pick to finish in the top-2 was Tomlinson (2007).

I'm on board with "issues leading to further issues" as well. Every situation is different, but basically guys recovering from serious injuries have a physically demanding off-season. No rest, all work, must put added strain on connecting tissues.


If FBG's stats/records on their player pages are correct then Gurley did it as recently as 2018. Adrian Peterson did it in 2009 and 2015. Hard to look up others as once they are no longer active in the league they drop off the player pages but I imagine there are a few others

 
Maybe it’s just rationalization at this point, but as a CmC owner who also didn’t cuff him with Hubbard (he’s still a FA), I never considered Hubbard in that elite handcuff tier so I couldn’t justify the opportunity cost holding him this early in the season instead of trying to churn the end of the bench to find diamonds in the rough. As for FAAB reco’s, need to know more about severity before making a call on that.
Agree

i have Swift, Tyson W and Jacobs (assuming he is back soon) to roll with and RoJo as a desperation play….so we will see it Chubba is any good.  He didn’t impress last night, but with 10 days of reps, he might be something….

 
Sometimes a hammy is just a hammy. 

He didn’t tear an ACL, he’s not out for the year. 

no one said anything weeks 1 or 2 when he was putting up 27-30 PPR points a week. 

Dude pulled a hammy. It happens to guys who don’t have all the carries. Heck, it happens to rookies in training camp. Just one of those things that happens in pro sports. 

Seems like a lot of post hock analysis up in here. Hopefully he’s ok in a couple weeks and plays out the season. That also happens with hammys. 

 
Sometimes a hammy is just a hammy. 

He didn’t tear an ACL, he’s not out for the year. 

no one said anything weeks 1 or 2 when he was putting up 27-30 PPR points a week. 

Dude pulled a hammy. It happens to guys who don’t have all the carries. Heck, it happens to rookies in training camp. Just one of those things that happens in pro sports. 

Seems like a lot of post hock analysis up in here. Hopefully he’s ok in a couple weeks and plays out the season. That also happens with hammys. 
ohhhh, look at me with all my positivity and good vibes. 
 

what’s wrong with you?

😉

 
Muscle strains come from overload. Incorrect training and/or usage.

Muscles can only take a certain amount of load before overstretching or tearing. The amount of load decreases if your muscles are fatigued. Lack of pliability could be a contributing factor.

This is probably solely related to his strength and pliability training vs usage this year.

Watching the play, he was trying to burst around the left side edge and reach top speed. He reached for a gear that gave out.

For me this is more of an indictment of:

Thursday night game after too much usage on Sunday. 20 fewer snaps last Sunday and maybe he's fine today. Sunday before Thursday should probably be looked at by teams as a game to rotate guys if they can.

Lack of proper training. Maybe he worked so hard on the areas that were trouble last year that he somewhat neglected the hammys?


Moments before the injury the announcers were talking about how big his legs were.... and the alleged benefits of his rehab training.  My immediate thought was "uh-oh... kiss of death".  And then he got hurt.

 
Moments before the injury the announcers were talking about how big his legs were.... and the alleged benefits of his rehab training.  My immediate thought was "uh-oh... kiss of death".  And then he got hurt.
Oh, so it’s your fault?

 
I can across this article which makes it sound like he is doing all of the right things…

https://www.insider.com/christian-mccaffrey-diet-health-blood-tests-local-farms-2021-5
Nice find.  I respect that the guy has been one of the most talented players in the NFL since he entered the league, but still learned and acknowledged there's more he can do outside of direct 'football activities' to give himself the best possible chance at longevity - especially in a position that it is becoming more and more of a rarity.  I believe Derrick Henry has been taking a similar approach (not sure about diet, but I think he does recovery-related stuff basically all day long.)

 

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