pantherclub
Footballguy
Bro, for all intents and purposes this dudes season as a fantasy player is done.
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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (6 Viewers)
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matuski
Footballguy
The speculation is he re-injured it in practice this week making it no longer a grade 1..... I'm not confident on 3 weeks myself.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Nah, that dude was pretty adamant I was wrong and made some insults so alls fair..........
matuski
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Only a matter of time until Ekeler is hurt as well. He tore his hamstring up last year, unless he is on the juice this year (have you seen him shirtless?) lol
Anyways, more baseless speculation regarding anything about this injury. I think CMC is someone who wants to come back fast and doesn't understand his body anymore. He's not a 19 year old college RB. He's 25 with lots of touches and he had two injuries last year.
You would think he would've learned from this, and the coaching staff. Chuba looks like a decent RB and they should've been spelling CMC from the start.
Anyways, won't know much until Week 9. I would start loading up your benches with lottery ticket RBs in the mean time if you need them. If you have Chuba you should be OK at the RB position, not not nearly as competitive as you were with CMC.
Might need to start swinging for the fences on some start / sit decisions.
creepythinman
Footballguy
Lulz no worries. Not like I had empirical data to back up my proffer. But it is a trend that I have become wary of that when these guys known for their work ethic and training start dating celebrities, their bodies become more injury prone.
JJ Watt would be one example as his body basically fell off a cliff soon after he started dating that tennis player (after living that famed celibate life).
trader jake
Footballguy
If it walks like a re-aggravation, and quacks like a re-aggravation, it's a re-aggravation.
At least the Panthers made the smart decision to shut him down for three weeks this time. Now GMs hope for a late fake football season return and postseason health.
At least the Panthers made the smart decision to shut him down for three weeks this time. Now GMs hope for a late fake football season return and postseason health.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Mr Glass
The reason I didn't have him number 1 this year like everyone else. He was overused early in his career and last year the red flags were presented.
With Hubbard showing he is decent I think at this point CMC will see his workload reduced even when he does eventually return. I like CMC in dynasty even less than redraft. It seems at this point he is just an injury waiting to happen and the days were he gets 25 touches a game may be done forever.
With Hubbard showing he is decent I think at this point CMC will see his workload reduced even when he does eventually return. I like CMC in dynasty even less than redraft. It seems at this point he is just an injury waiting to happen and the days were he gets 25 touches a game may be done forever.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Obviously injuries can happen to anyone but they seem to be adding up and he’s not bouncing back quickly.
Runkle
Footballguy
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Whats worse is the Panthers couldve had a depth piece active and maybe Influence the game last week. NFL is literally that small on the margins.
Egregious mismanagement by everyone. It's like the owner is rushing him back because of the fat paycheck. And now they get nothing.
At least this did this to say "hey sit the F down for a bit."
Hope he's 100% week 9 but who knows
tombonneau
Footballguy
What kind of return are contending dynasty owners looking for? And also rebuilders?
Anyone think one way or the other if he’s coming back or not this season? I have a trade in the works:
Giving up Melvin Gordon, Lamb and Waddle (I have Hopkins, Higgins, Marvin Jones, Moore, Mooney and Bateman for receivers and Ekeler, JRob, and Barkley for backs) for Christian McCaffrey and Odell? 12 team .5
Giving up Melvin Gordon, Lamb and Waddle (I have Hopkins, Higgins, Marvin Jones, Moore, Mooney and Bateman for receivers and Ekeler, JRob, and Barkley for backs) for Christian McCaffrey and Odell? 12 team .5
dipandglide
Footballguy
I doubt you’re getting a discount in dynasty regardless of the teams situation. He’s still young and should age given he catches the ball well.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Jayrok
Footballguy
6.5. I think they'll shut him down the week they realize the playoffs are out of reach. If he's 100% healthy he'll play on but any slight nagging injury will sideline him for just for precaution alone. Rhule is building for the future and is not on the hot seat to win right now. Risking Christian this year is not in his best interest. He also knows the mileage already saddled to CMC and his legs.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Well, it was a great 1.5 years.
Insein
Footballguy
Well playoffs are 7 teams this year. They are right on that edge though the Minnesota loss doesn't help.
Jayrok
Footballguy
10/24 - @ Giants (never seem to play well there but could win)
10/31 - @ Falcons
11/7 - Patriots
11/14 - @ Cardinals
11/21 - Washington
11/28 - @ Dolphins
12/12 - Falcons
12/19 - @ Bills
12/26 - Bucs
1/2 - @ Saints
1/9 - @ Bucs
Will split with the Falcons, find a way to lose to the Pats and Washington. Lose at Cards, toss up with Dolphins. Lose at Bills and both games against the Bucs and lose at the Saints.
Might see 2 wins. 5-12 or 6-11 finish.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Regardless, I think he enters a time share when he returns. If you are the Carolina coaching staff - you are probably looking at his frame and thinking he isn't built to withstand the punishment an entire season will deliver. If he enters a timeshare of even 70/30 - his value does go down. I'm of the mindset to get out of aging/depleting assets before the value is gone and am looking to unload him. Any idea what selling high on CMC looks like?dipandglide said:
have a trade in the works (I mentioned above) to get him and Beckham Jr (throw in) for Melvin Gordon, Lamb, and Waddle. Not sure if that’s selling high or low. Not sure what to do.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
CMC is a world beater when he is healthy. I think that is buying low - which I definitely recommend you do.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Why didn’t they just IR him to begin with. Whyyyyyyyy?
ah well. 5-1, 2nd in points, Chubba doing ~65% of CMC.
rest well young man. Just be there for my playoff run.
ah well. 5-1, 2nd in points, Chubba doing ~65% of CMC.
rest well young man. Just be there for my playoff run.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I would probably make that trade if I had CMC. Lamb is potentially as good at WR as CMC is at RB (given the injury issues) - Waddle is a. nice get, too.
Gordon is a bit of a mystery for longevity & location but hey, if Murray can get a job at his age, Gordon should be functional somewhere.
I’d say it’s fair.
More risk if I’m the one paying that for CMC, since he’s already injured. It’s a harder buy than sell. I don’t think your buying low but I also don’t think you’re selling particularly high given the circumstance.
whether you should make it or not depends a lot on your team’s situation (redraft/dynasty, league standings, depth at various positions) but we’ve wandered pretty far off topic already, so….heh
good luck
tombonneau
Footballguy
This comes up year after year with coaches managing star players reps as it becomes clear they are playing out games in a lost season. But is there anything statistical to back this up? I feel a healthy star players tend to play football regardless of the team's status. Maybe there are a handful of clear examples of a similar scenario where a start player returned mid-season after injury and the team was already out of it so the coaching staff reduced their reps, but that just seems odd to me. You either totally IR them (why even risk practice?) or you play them as normal.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
That's just not enough. Another RB who has a probably more debilitating career threatening injury, and I guess a top-24 WR, AB is amazing.
CMC owner got hosed, unless he was 0-5 or something
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
3rd rounder in next years FF drafts?
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Not a chance. Name value combined with nostalgia will keep him in the first round (early 2nd at absolute worst) for at least the next couple of years.
Insein
Footballguy
Barkley went in the late first this year for reference. CMC will definitely still be a first.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Agreed. That is a trash offer for CMC. Carson might not be back, so you’re basically dealing him for AB. Can’t see the point in that unless you are just stacked at RB and have nobody at WR.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Split backfield likely and he’s injury riddled and the O Line will still not be all that much
how long did it take for David Johnson to fall off the map?
maybe somebody bites in the second…..
It was great when they had to feed him every play, but now they have DJ Moore and Hubbard and Tremble and etc. He is just a piece and not WR1/TE1.
early second for a guy you have zero confidence in actually playing and when he does, it will be on a pitch count? No thanks
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TampaMike19
Footballguy
According to reddit trade charts CMC is worth Darrell Henderson. Mixon is worth more right now
Entirely subjective of course with what you want to believe in
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MrJimiT
Footballguy
6-0 and the potential of CMC for the playoff run? Hmmm...if you feel the slightest bit confident that he comes back from injury healed and ready...I think this looks like a good prospective deal. But there'd be no room for the weak-stomached in a deal like that would be.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
If you have anything decent as backup at RB I'd consider that trade. At 6-0 you can afford to look ahead at the playoffs. He could be a difference-maker and you can afford to take the risk. Give it real thought.
rick6668
Footballguy
Thanks, Yeah, I'm looking at it, but I think I'm just too weak at RB.
Mixon, Jacobs, Drake, Perine, D'Ernest Johnson. Start 2 RB's and a flex which I've been flexing with a WR.
Although it would be great to have CMC if he comes back, I'm very weak while he is out and if he doesn't come back.
habsfan
Footballguy
I'm pretty much on the other side of this and was considering offering Mixon for CMC. I am 2-4 and have only Kamara and Davis otherwise. It's pretty much season-defining risk and I don't think I have the stomach for it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nothing. I drafted well enough that I can afford to wait for him for a playoff run. I have Mixon/Henderson & Chubba at Flex (traded for him week 2) & JaWill in reserve. So when CMC comes back nice & rested for my weeks 9-17 or whatever I get from him, it will just be an excellent asset to get without giving up anything.
I wouldn't trade him at less than his week 1 value.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
All due respect, but this is a speculative/unsubstantiated take. Let's address one point at a time:
- split backfield - we have no idea how things will break when CMC comes back, but people said this about Henderson/Sony when Henderson hurt his ribs. Those people could not have been more wrong. I suspect you have the same level of wrong here. CMC is a world class talent & Chubba has been a serviceable replacement. It's a hammy - once it's healed up, there's no reason CMC won't take on his full share of carries, which will likely make Chubba a COP/breather back. You're speculating wildly here & I'm not sure why you make it as a definitive statement.
- David Johnson comparison - ridiculous. CMC came out this year and put up some monster games before tweaking his hammy - which can happen to any player at any time. There is no accurate comparison here.
- CMC is a RB, not a "WR1" - and the team has explicitly stated they want to get back to a more run-heavy offense.
- Again, speculation - you have no idea if he'll be "on a pitch count" when he returns. I expect that after 6-7 weeks of rest he should be fully healed up. I've had many players return 100% from hamstring injuries. I just don't understand what you're basing any of this on. To date I've seen no statement from the team indicating anything of the sort.
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