zamboni
Footballguy
You would think so with the playoffs on the line, but if he can't, you know he's hurt pretty bad.
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RB De’Von Achane, MIA (4 Viewers)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Anyone know if it is the same hip he injured badly in college?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He is averaging about 5 PPG in my league with Huntley at helm.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Why is he ranked so high amongst so many "experts" when he always sucks with Huntley? High rankings can't be based by prior data so just a hunch?
Team says it's not related to his injury at Alabama. They say it's muscle-related. Do we believe them?
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I do like the idea of having him fill a different type of Deebo role. He's on the wrong team if his pass blocking is a negative.
I have him in 3 leagues and I'm trying to trade him everywhere
Can't get anything good for him.
That's mind boggling to me. There aren't 20 players overall I'd rather have than Achane. I'd take Achane over anyone in this draft class other than Jeanty. A 23-year-old who wins both rushing and receiving, and has shown high TD rates, high big play rates, and elite receiving chops. He's RB5 in my ranks. This is Jamaal Charles all over again.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Maybe just hold then as his perceived value is dropping.
I personally think this offense will be improved to start this season. Lots of injuries last year and Hill not playing at 100%. I'm assuming after the wrist surgery here Hill will be back and healthy to threaten teams deep and open up the running game.
Achane is a guy I'd be looking to trade for if the owner in dynasty/keeper has lost interest.
I think that's just it. He gets dinged up, unless the offense is zooming he doesn't perform, he's small, the team seems on a down swing
People just reading the tea leaves
Dez
Footballguy
He is 17th player off the board currently in 1 QB FFPC startup drafts.
Does not appear to be dropping there in value.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
78/590/6TDs thru the air last season, is that something we should count on in 2025?
A dip in those numbers would limit his impact
Right around 200 carries, he needs the catches to give him enough volume.
Half his TDs were thru the air, is that sustainable season over season?
I'm asking if anyone has given it much thought, not trying to be the know it all here.
I was surprised how good Achane's overall numbers were last season when I looked back
Remember, Hill and Waddle had a huge drop in their numbers, I expect them to bounce back.
And those catches will come from somewhere
I'm also not expecting J.Smith at TE to repeat his career year last season
A dip in those numbers would limit his impact
Right around 200 carries, he needs the catches to give him enough volume.
Half his TDs were thru the air, is that sustainable season over season?
I'm asking if anyone has given it much thought, not trying to be the know it all here.
I was surprised how good Achane's overall numbers were last season when I looked back
Remember, Hill and Waddle had a huge drop in their numbers, I expect them to bounce back.
And those catches will come from somewhere
I'm also not expecting J.Smith at TE to repeat his career year last season
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TheWinz
Footballguy
Even though Achane had an impressive 78 catches, he was 4th on the team in targets per game. If he were to have a dip in targets, who would they go to?
As long as his body can handle it, he could have seasons like Ekeler did in 2021/2022.
IMO I'd build in a reduction based unless the league wide trend changes and the RB position as a whole starts to see an uptick in targets.
He was number 2 in targets last year among RB's so not a lot of room to grow but what's interesting is RB targets have been on a big decline the last two seasons. I just checked the last 10 years of data and the last two years are the lowest but it was a huge dropoff last year. I suppose this has to do with the shell coverage being used.
So if we stop thinking of the way RB's used to get targeted and just look at the trend it's going to be hard for him to maintain that level IMO. Boils down to if McDaniels spent his off-season coming up with a plan to adjust to the way his team is defended and figure out how to make better use of his top two WR's or if he's just going to continue to let the defense dictate things to him and rely heavily on Jonnu and Achane. To be clear Jonnu and Achane is what the defense is giving you so the WR's don't beat you.
I think a number of things contribute to Achane's 2024, and whether its sustainable. I think he's as good a pass catcher as there is at the position, he's gonna be heavily involved regardless, but its interesting to look at his numbers in isolation with Tua.
In 11 games:
143-621-5, which would pace out to 221-960-8 rushing
67-530-6, which would pace out to 104-819-9 receiving
Now there are 4 major questions I have about the Dolphins offense, and none of them are about Achane.
#1-How healthy does Tua stay? Before anyone just says "not very" its important to note he's played 29 out of a possible 35 games the last 2 seasons. I certainly have concerns about the concussions, but I think its a fool's exercise to just assume he's gonna miss a bunch of time.
#2-If Tua goes down, what does Zach Wilson do? Breece Hall had 76 catches in 2023 with mostly Wilson starting, and Achane is a much better receiver than Hall in my opinion. It wouldn't be ideal, but for Achane at least, it'd be a lot better than Huntley was.
#3-Is Tyreek, Tyreek? Basically, was last year more about the wrist, or is he slowing down? Personally, I'm gonna bet on the wrist being a bigger problem than people thought, and the general offensive woes dragging him down. He's a year removed from an 1800-yard season.
#4-Is the OL awful? This I think was a big reason for why Achane, and especially Jonnu saw usage spikes and why Hill and especially Waddle saw decreases. I think the answer is hard to say, the development of 2024 2nd rounder Patrick Paul is crucial, as is 2025 2nd rounder Jonah Savaiinaea hitting the ground running.
Ultimately, I have Achane in the RB5-7 range. I don't see any RB behind him being more than a COP threat, and the offense could be built around him if Hill wasn't just a blip. Of course, if Hill bounces back, Achane likely has a smaller workload, but likely increased effectiveness, so its a bit double-edged.
I sometimes think Achane's talent is still underrated by many, because they were wrong about him coming out. He's a top-5 RB TALENT in my eyes.
Neither IMO.
Same for Waddle other then some injuries that impacted him a few games.
The few games of Tua missing did not help but people got that all wrong for the most part about that being the reason for both of their lack of production. The reason for their performance IMO was what I was saying before. Defenses threw that shell coverage on them, took away the deep game and this funneled the offense through Achane and Jonnu, those were are the defenses conceded.
So whether or not Tyreek and Waddle get back to being productive depends entirely IMO on McDaniels figuring out a how not to let the opposing defenses take away what they do best. Feel like his job may depend on what he can or can't figure out.
I respect most of what you post, but let's tap the brakes a bit. He is one Tua hit away from being an RB2.
eighsse2
Footballguy
You think Achane's production relies on Tua?
The offense, as a whole, does
efactor
Footballguy
Hard to argue that it doesn't based on his numbers during the 4 games Tua missed last year. Targets way down was the biggie.
Thompson, Huntley and Boyle were awful. Wilson should be an upgrade if Tua goes down this year. That may not be saying a lot, but at least he has arm talent and willing to check down to the RBs so the numbers drop shouldn't be as dramatic.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
Every RB’s production is essentially tied to their starting quarterback’s health .. The entire offense sucks if the starting QB goes down.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Fixed.
I think Achane is overvalued. I think he was overused last year, and I can see the same happening this year.
Combine the usage with his 5'9" / 188lb frame and the risk of possibly losing Tua and I think I would take the following guys over him.
Guys ranked behind Achane on FBG:
Henry
Kyren
Irving
Jacobs
Taylor
Cook
Would put him in a tier with Hall, Brown and Mixon.
Combine the usage with his 5'9" / 188lb frame and the risk of possibly losing Tua and I think I would take the following guys over him.
Guys ranked behind Achane on FBG:
Henry
Kyren
Irving
Jacobs
Taylor
Cook
Would put him in a tier with Hall, Brown and Mixon.
-OZ-
Footballguy
as much as I think Achane will be fine long term even if Tua retired tomorrow, the last time Miami ranked top 10 in offense before Tua arrived was 2001.
They were above average 4 times since 2002.
kutta
Footballguy
I think that’s more indicative of Mike McDaniel’s arrival than Tua’s.
-OZ-
Footballguy
you’re probably right, but it’s not like Miami has a strong recent history of prolific offenses.
(Better than my titans, fwiw)
This is my concern about usage. McDaniel may be coaching for his job and I expect him to ride Achane.
Now, that could be a good thing, but it could also be a bad thing.
I'm not willing to take that chance unless he drops a bit.
Big Nate
Footballguy
For fantasy it is 100% a good thing. He was riding Achane last year as he got nearly 300 touches. I expect the same this year.
kutta
Footballguy
NFL Network’s Cameron Wolfe reports Dolphins assistant HC and RB coach Eric Studesville said the team is “preparing” to give De’Von Achane “more work” this season.
Per Wolfe, Achane asked Studesville for more touches in 2025 after racking up a career-high 281 touches in 2024. When discussing whether Achane (5'9/188) can handle the workload required of the “clear No. 1 player in that backfield,” Studesville reportedly said, “yes,” before adding, “he can handle whatever we give him.” Achane has reportedly set his sights on clearing 1,000 rushing yards and 500 receiving yards in a single season. He accomplished the latter feat with 592 receiving yards last season, but topped out at 907 yards on the ground. All signs point to Achane repeating as a fantasy football RB1 in 2025.
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Per Wolfe, Achane asked Studesville for more touches in 2025 after racking up a career-high 281 touches in 2024. When discussing whether Achane (5'9/188) can handle the workload required of the “clear No. 1 player in that backfield,” Studesville reportedly said, “yes,” before adding, “he can handle whatever we give him.” Achane has reportedly set his sights on clearing 1,000 rushing yards and 500 receiving yards in a single season. He accomplished the latter feat with 592 receiving yards last season, but topped out at 907 yards on the ground. All signs point to Achane repeating as a fantasy football RB1 in 2025.
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Of course. Opportunity is Fantasy 101. But can his body handle it? I don't think so.
Chase Brown is in a better situation, yet people here are questioning his workload. He is 5'10" 210lbs.
I'll take Brown later in the draft all day.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
Chase Brown?? Ok .. Achane is a LEGIT top 4-5 back in fantasy.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Brown is in a great situation and is a good enough back.
Achane is a great talent and in a good enough situation.
DA was the #6 RB last year (ppr) with 275 touches. Brown was #12.
If someone told you one put up over 2,000 yards this year, would you have any doubt which it was?
First of all, I said I would take Brown later in the draft.
Secondly, sure I would have doubt.
Achane in 2024 had 1,500 yards. He played as the lead back in all 17 games. 88 yards per game.
Brown in 2024 had 1,350 yards and didn't start until week 4. 13 games as starter. 103.8 yards per game.
Why can't Brown be?
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
Because he’s not as good and won’t be as featured as Achane. The Bengals are a passing offense and just need Brown to get keep the defense honest while the Dolphins offense will run through Achane.
-OZ-
Footballguy
If you just mean don’t take top 5, I’ll agree. But I’ll gladly take him at top of the 2nd if I take a WR in the first. Or possibly in the late first if I think a WR I like will make it back to me.
-OZ-
Footballguy
To be fair, lots of things can happen. Brown could finish top 5 with the right breaks and TDs. But he’s no more likely to than about 15 other backs.
I'd argue that's a very cherry-picked way of looking at it. It ignores Tua being out, ignores Achane playing through a high ankle sprain, and assumes Brown will get a similar workload that he got after Moss got hurt last year, which is extremely unlikely.
Brown's post-Moss touch pace was 321 carries, and 81 catches, so 402 touches, which would have been the biggest workload of any RB since 2019 Christian McCaffrey. That simply won't happen, and likely won't even come close.
That's an opinion. And although the Bengals are a pass first offense, it also will create more opportunities for Brown.
Cherry picked? Those are facts. First of all, I was told Achane is top 5 regardless of Tua. So remove that.
And you can't be sure Brown didn't also play through injuries.
As far as the touches Brown got, he doesn't need 400 for him to be top 5.
I'm not saying Achane won't be or Brown will be. I already admitted I am fading Achane. I don't think he can handle the workload.
I feel he will breakdown and get injured as he did last year.
I am going to pass on him at his current ranking. I prefer others that can be had later, including Brown.
Right. And neither is Achane.
