RB De’Von Achane, MIA (6 Viewers)

[candian fantasy guy]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

 

[King of the Jungle]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I liked Wright coming out. I think it was a big learning curve for him last year coming from a pretty basic TEN run game. Offseason tidbits sounding like he added a little muscle and if things slow down for him he could be a pleasant surprise if Achane gets dinged.

 

[Zow]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I have these exact players and am dealing with same issue. I haven't actively explored Wright because my league mates are usually savvy enough to make a trade partner pay a premium for a handcuff.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

I don't think the Jonnu trade moves the needle too much with Achane. Miami was already planning to use Achane as a receiver, which makes perfect sense., while perhaps easing his rushing workload. Need to get his speed in space as much as possible.

I’ve never understood how removal of a TE really helps RB receiving unless the replacement is inept.

Let the hate run through you...

Didn't take a look at that Dolphins TE depth before diving into the Achane hate, huh? There aren't any real TE options. It would seem they could scheme those 11 Jonnu targets to someone with a little more explosiveness in a locker room where you have Waddle, Hill and Achane.

It's anyone's guess who is going to take those targets but I wouldn't double down on the remaining TE room in MIA or Nick Westbrook-Ikhne - but I would be more in on the ladder. Sneaky benefactor could be Wright or Gordon. Also, anyone's best guess.

I dont think they call this forum Fantasy Whack-A-Mole and I appreciate good dart throws but... I think we could probably make a connection that this raises Achane's floor. Unless you're still using the Achane voodoo doll in hopes of injury.

I am reminded by a coach, you may know, by the name of Jim Mora; who said, "You play to win the game." and that's the approach I take to Fantasy Football and drafting Achane. Guy has overall RB1 upside and being drafted at his floor.

 

[-OZ-]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Summary...
3-5 catches a week almost every single game, if the Phins trade both Smith and Hill then how could Achane's receptions go down?
Is it possible he could catch 100 passes as a RB in the National Football league?
He is a threat for almost 100 total yds each and every week he is healthy which he was almost all of 2024 so he's not brittle
Miami added Ollie Gordon in the 6th round, he only pushes Wright into the RB3 slot if he's really good.
Achane is 75% to score almost every week, 23 TDs in 28 games

180 carries, rebuilt IOL and he will rise up over 5 yds a clip
1,000 yds rushing
80 catches - 600 yds
10 total TDs

250-260+ touches, many of them thru the air and plenty of production without overworking this kid.
Still just 23 yrs old as this post is being written
ADP-18 overall so he's a Mid 2nd and makes a fantastic RB1 behind a stud WR like Puka Nacua, 10-team you could likely pair him with Justin Jefferson, giddy-up!

Nothing has changed IMHO

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Summary...
3-5 catches a week almost every single game, if the Phins trade both Smith and Hill then how could Achane's receptions go down?
Is it possible he could catch 100 passes as a RB in the National Football league?
He is a threat for almost 100 total yds each and every week he is healthy which he was almost all of 2024 so he's not brittle
Miami added Ollie Gordon in the 6th round, he only pushes Wright into the RB3 slot if he's really good.
Achane is 75% to score almost every week, 23 TDs in 28 games

180 carries, rebuilt IOL and he will rise up over 5 yds a clip
1,000 yds rushing
80 catches - 600 yds
10 total TDs

250-260+ touches, many of them thru the air and plenty of production without overworking this kid.
Still just 23 yrs old as this post is being written
ADP-18 overall so he's a Mid 2nd and makes a fantastic RB1 behind a stud WR like Puka Nacua, 10-team you could likely pair him with Justin Jefferson, giddy-up!

Nothing has changed IMHO

Your stats seem to average what he has already done, which is great but I think he will see more catches and in PPR, that is gold.

I could see him reeling in 100 receptions.

His efficiency is just scary and if you really did a deep dive on some of that efficiency + more receptions in space? The ceiling is league winning. 180 carries is only 40% of total carries, which is a modest projection and plenty of meat on the bone for a Wright or Gordon to contribute w/o diminishing the role of Achane.

180 car @ 5ypc = 960 yards rushing.
100 rec @ 7.6ypc = 760 receiving yards.
10 TDs
Total output - 332 fantasy points
Translates to RB5 last year (his actual rank).

The more you dive into the data the more you feel like Achane's ceiling is harder to project than his floor.

 

[-OZ-]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

The offense as a whole is a concern.
He was the 11th RB PPG last year. While he could improve on that, and I think he will, I see no reason to move his floor above his result from last year.

I think Wright takes more of a role.

There’s a very good chance I draft him as the RB7, but I’m not setting his floor there.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

The offense as a whole is a concern.
He was the 11th RB PPG last year. While he could improve on that, and I think he will, I see no reason to move his floor above his result from last year.

I think Wright takes more of a role.

There’s a very good chance I draft him as the RB7, but I’m not setting his floor there.

That's a fair assessment. Where do you get PPG stats from, as what I am seeing shows him RB6 in Avg/Game and Player 14 in that category last year.

17.6 PPG in PPR last year, ranked with CeeDee and Nico Collins, according to ESPN?

In any event, we are probably splitting hairs here. I just think his upside is massive and worth the risk.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Summary...
3-5 catches a week almost every single game, if the Phins trade both Smith and Hill then how could Achane's receptions go down?
Is it possible he could catch 100 passes as a RB in the National Football league?
He is a threat for almost 100 total yds each and every week he is healthy which he was almost all of 2024 so he's not brittle
Miami added Ollie Gordon in the 6th round, he only pushes Wright into the RB3 slot if he's really good.
Achane is 75% to score almost every week, 23 TDs in 28 games

180 carries, rebuilt IOL and he will rise up over 5 yds a clip
1,000 yds rushing
80 catches - 600 yds
10 total TDs

250-260+ touches, many of them thru the air and plenty of production without overworking this kid.
Still just 23 yrs old as this post is being written
ADP-18 overall so he's a Mid 2nd and makes a fantastic RB1 behind a stud WR like Puka Nacua, 10-team you could likely pair him with Justin Jefferson, giddy-up!

Nothing has changed IMHO

Your stats seem to average what he has already done, which is great but I think he will see more catches and in PPR, that is gold.

I could see him reeling in 100 receptions.

His efficiency is just scary and if you really did a deep dive on some of that efficiency + more receptions in space? The ceiling is league winning. 180 carries is only 40% of total carries, which is a modest projection and plenty of meat on the bone for a Wright or Gordon to contribute w/o diminishing the role of Achane.

180 car @ 5ypc = 960 yards rushing.
100 rec @ 7.6ypc = 760 receiving yards.
10 TDs
Total output - 332 fantasy points
Translates to RB5 last year (his actual rank).

The more you dive into the data the more you feel like Achane's ceiling is harder to project than his floor.

"Is it possible he could catch 100 passes as a RB in the National Football league?"
Did I not write that in the post?

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Summary...
3-5 catches a week almost every single game, if the Phins trade both Smith and Hill then how could Achane's receptions go down?
Is it possible he could catch 100 passes as a RB in the National Football league?
He is a threat for almost 100 total yds each and every week he is healthy which he was almost all of 2024 so he's not brittle
Miami added Ollie Gordon in the 6th round, he only pushes Wright into the RB3 slot if he's really good.
Achane is 75% to score almost every week, 23 TDs in 28 games

180 carries, rebuilt IOL and he will rise up over 5 yds a clip
1,000 yds rushing
80 catches - 600 yds
10 total TDs

250-260+ touches, many of them thru the air and plenty of production without overworking this kid.
Still just 23 yrs old as this post is being written
ADP-18 overall so he's a Mid 2nd and makes a fantastic RB1 behind a stud WR like Puka Nacua, 10-team you could likely pair him with Justin Jefferson, giddy-up!

Nothing has changed IMHO

Your stats seem to average what he has already done, which is great but I think he will see more catches and in PPR, that is gold.

I could see him reeling in 100 receptions.

His efficiency is just scary and if you really did a deep dive on some of that efficiency + more receptions in space? The ceiling is league winning. 180 carries is only 40% of total carries, which is a modest projection and plenty of meat on the bone for a Wright or Gordon to contribute w/o diminishing the role of Achane.

180 car @ 5ypc = 960 yards rushing.
100 rec @ 7.6ypc = 760 receiving yards.
10 TDs
Total output - 332 fantasy points
Translates to RB5 last year (his actual rank).

The more you dive into the data the more you feel like Achane's ceiling is harder to project than his floor.

"Is it possible he could catch 100 passes as a RB in the National Football league?"
Did I not write that in the post?

That was my way of answering, yes it is.

I can leave it at this, because I am not trying to pump up Achane's value. I just hate the stigma behind Achane and like the player. I think he is a lot of fun to watch.

His upside is league winning and nobody likes him. It's crazy to me.

ETA: Just wanted to layout what a modest workload that actually is and given the climate of the team Waddle & Hill (questionable?) - he could see more usage.

 

[bluemanfoo]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

The offense as a whole is a concern.
He was the 11th RB PPG last year. While he could improve on that, and I think he will, I see no reason to move his floor above his result from last year.

I think Wright takes more of a role.

There’s a very good chance I draft him as the RB7, but I’m not setting his floor there.

RB11 overall last year doesn't tell the full story. Achane's number went down massively without Tua, but he put up huge numbers when Tua was healthy even while running behind an awful offensive line. If Tua had stayed healthy, he'd be one of the first RBs off the board this year. And if the awful offensive line just plays marginally better, he's a league winner. I'll take those odds all day.

Yeah, he could get hurt or Tua could get hurt again. But I believe that injury concerns are usually overdone. I've personally never lost a league because my players got hurt. When I lost, it's because my players weren't good enough. Perhaps I've been fortunate there, but even when I've had major injuries, I either overcame them or would have lost anyways. Like in the Fantasy championship in 2022, I had Jalen Hurts who was hurt and had Derrick Henry who was a healthy scratch in a meaningless game for the Titans. But I would have lost anyways, because my team was weak other than my top three of Hurts, Henry, and AJB.

 

[JoeKappBudGrant]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

The offense as a whole is a concern.
He was the 11th RB PPG last year. While he could improve on that, and I think he will, I see no reason to move his floor above his result from last year.

I think Wright takes more of a role.

There’s a very good chance I draft him as the RB7, but I’m not setting his floor there.

RB11 overall last year doesn't tell the full story. Achane's number went down massively without Tua, but he put up huge numbers when Tua was healthy even while running behind an awful offensive line. If Tua had stayed healthy, he'd be one of the first RBs off the board this year. And if the awful offensive line just plays marginally better, he's a league winner. I'll take those odds all day.

Yeah, he could get hurt or Tua could get hurt again. But I believe that injury concerns are usually overdone. I've personally never lost a league because my players got hurt. When I lost, it's because my players weren't good enough. Perhaps I've been fortunate there, but even when I've had major injuries, I either overcame them or would have lost anyways. Like in the Fantasy championship in 2022, I had Jalen Hurts who was hurt and had Derrick Henry who was a healthy scratch in a meaningless game for the Titans. But I would have lost anyways, because my team was weak other than my top three of Hurts, Henry, and AJB.

Achane averaged 6 catches per game in 11 games with Tua. He averaged 2 catches in 6 games without Tua. PPR he averaged over 22 with Tua, less than 9 without Tua.

 

[-OZ-]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

The offense as a whole is a concern.
He was the 11th RB PPG last year. While he could improve on that, and I think he will, I see no reason to move his floor above his result from last year.

I think Wright takes more of a role.

There’s a very good chance I draft him as the RB7, but I’m not setting his floor there.

RB11 overall last year doesn't tell the full story. Achane's number went down massively without Tua, but he put up huge numbers when Tua was healthy even while running behind an awful offensive line. If Tua had stayed healthy, he'd be one of the first RBs off the board this year. And if the awful offensive line just plays marginally better, he's a league winner. I'll take those odds all day.

Yeah, he could get hurt or Tua could get hurt again. But I believe that injury concerns are usually overdone. I've personally never lost a league because my players got hurt. When I lost, it's because my players weren't good enough. Perhaps I've been fortunate there, but even when I've had major injuries, I either overcame them or would have lost anyways. Like in the Fantasy championship in 2022, I had Jalen Hurts who was hurt and had Derrick Henry who was a healthy scratch in a meaningless game for the Titans. But I would have lost anyways, because my team was weak other than my top three of Hurts, Henry, and AJB.

That’s all fair. I just have no faith in the fins offense. But I have DA in one of my two leagues, so I’m cheering for him.

 

[travdogg]

If Tua stays healthy, RB1 overall is absolutely on the table for Achane. Extrapolate the Tua games to 17, and Achane was RB2 overall last season, and in theory he has less target competition, and a better OL.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I just have no faith in the fins offense.

You and many others including the fan base, FF community, coaches, media, broadcasters, popcorn vendors, the National Institute of Health and NPR all agree

 

[Big Nate]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

 

[Big Nate]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

The offense as a whole is a concern.
He was the 11th RB PPG last year. While he could improve on that, and I think he will, I see no reason to move his floor above his result from last year.

I think Wright takes more of a role.

There’s a very good chance I draft him as the RB7, but I’m not setting his floor there.

RB11 overall last year doesn't tell the full story. Achane's number went down massively without Tua, but he put up huge numbers when Tua was healthy even while running behind an awful offensive line. If Tua had stayed healthy, he'd be one of the first RBs off the board this year. And if the awful offensive line just plays marginally better, he's a league winner. I'll take those odds all day.

Yeah, he could get hurt or Tua could get hurt again. But I believe that injury concerns are usually overdone. I've personally never lost a league because my players got hurt. When I lost, it's because my players weren't good enough. Perhaps I've been fortunate there, but even when I've had major injuries, I either overcame them or would have lost anyways. Like in the Fantasy championship in 2022, I had Jalen Hurts who was hurt and had Derrick Henry who was a healthy scratch in a meaningless game for the Titans. But I would have lost anyways, because my team was weak other than my top three of Hurts, Henry, and AJB.

Achane averaged 6 catches per game in 11 games with Tua. He averaged 2 catches in 6 games without Tua. PPR he averaged over 22 with Tua, less than 9 without Tua.

Huntley was not good for this offence when he went in and that is an understatement. He was NOT GOOD at all for Achane. In Huntleys 5 starts Achane saw 9 target total. That is it while Jonnu Smith had 32.

Neither Huntley or Smith are with the team now as they realized that isn't a winning combo. When Jonnu Smith is your featured "weapon" in your offence you aren't scaring many people.

As a Fins fan nothing makes me happier than not having to see Jonnu on the field anymore. Nothing against Jonnu (he's a good TE) but that isn't what the Fins need when they have Hill, Waddle and Achane - real weapons that can make things happen.

 

[-OZ-]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

The offense as a whole is a concern.
He was the 11th RB PPG last year. While he could improve on that, and I think he will, I see no reason to move his floor above his result from last year.

I think Wright takes more of a role.

There’s a very good chance I draft him as the RB7, but I’m not setting his floor there.

RB11 overall last year doesn't tell the full story. Achane's number went down massively without Tua, but he put up huge numbers when Tua was healthy even while running behind an awful offensive line. If Tua had stayed healthy, he'd be one of the first RBs off the board this year. And if the awful offensive line just plays marginally better, he's a league winner. I'll take those odds all day.

Yeah, he could get hurt or Tua could get hurt again. But I believe that injury concerns are usually overdone. I've personally never lost a league because my players got hurt. When I lost, it's because my players weren't good enough. Perhaps I've been fortunate there, but even when I've had major injuries, I either overcame them or would have lost anyways. Like in the Fantasy championship in 2022, I had Jalen Hurts who was hurt and had Derrick Henry who was a healthy scratch in a meaningless game for the Titans. But I would have lost anyways, because my team was weak other than my top three of Hurts, Henry, and AJB.

Achane averaged 6 catches per game in 11 games with Tua. He averaged 2 catches in 6 games without Tua. PPR he averaged over 22 with Tua, less than 9 without Tua.

Huntley was not good for this offence when he went in and that is an understatement. He was NOT GOOD at all for Achane. In Huntleys 5 starts Achane saw 9 target total. That is it while Jonnu Smith had 32.

Neither Huntley or Smith are with the team now as they realized that isn't a winning combo. When Jonnu Smith is your featured "weapon" in your offence you aren't scaring many people.

As a Fins fan nothing makes me happier than not having to see Jonnu on the field anymore. Nothing against Jonnu (he's a good TE) but that isn't what the Fins need when they have Hill, Waddle and Achane - real weapons that can make things happen.

Is Zach Wilson an upgrade?

DA probably has upside only matched by Barkley, Bijan, CMC. maybe Henry, Gibbs and Jeanty but those three have more questions - Monty, Henry doesn’t get targets, and rookies are always with some risk.

 

[bluemanfoo]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

 

[JohnnyU]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

 

[King of the Jungle]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

He was on our waivers (12 team and only 18 roster spots).

 

[JohnnyU]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

He was on our waivers (12 team and only 18 roster spots).

Yeah, I suppose in shallow leagues he could be for sure. 18 spots isn't much.

 

[bluemanfoo]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

The data, which may not be accurate, shows Wright's ADP it 158.. Even though I snagged him a littler earlier in my two drafts so far, I still consider that close to free. In contrast, I drafted Kenneth Walker in both my leagues, but didn't even entertain the thought of handcuffing him with Charbonnet. I hate wasting a roster spot and significant draft capital on a player who realistically has little upside without an injury to the starter. I'd rather use my roster spots to get real depth at RB. Perhaps I've been fortunate, but that strategy has always worked well for me.

 

[Biabreakable]

Some of you may want to avoid reading Bloom's Top 250.

Add him to the list of guys I disagree with, I guess.

The guy was super efficient in Year 1 with less volume and handled the beating of RB1 volume in year 2... if he was 2 inches taller with 15-20 pounds of muscle, everyone would be gushing over this guy and you wouldn't land him without two 1st rounders on the table.

At some point, you have to trust your eyes... The only thing you can write next to Achane's ranking to justify him being a 3rd round valuation is - "I don't trust his size".

If everyone opposing Achane, just keeps saying he will get injured because of his size, eventually - they will be right, because all RB's get injured.

It's hard for a tiger to change their stripes.

This 'analysis' isn't.

 

[JohnnyU]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

The data, which may not be accurate, shows Wright's ADP it 158.. Even though I snagged him a littler earlier in my two drafts so far, I still consider that close to free. In contrast, I drafted Kenneth Walker in both my leagues, but didn't even entertain the thought of handcuffing him with Charbonnet. I hate wasting a roster spots and significant draft capital on a player who realistically has little upside without an injury to the starter. I'd rather use my roster spots to get real depth at RB. Perhaps I've been fortunate, but that strategy has always worked well for me.

I would roster Charbonnet before Wright.

 

[bluemanfoo]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

The data, which may not be accurate, shows Wright's ADP it 158.. Even though I snagged him a littler earlier in my two drafts so far, I still consider that close to free. In contrast, I drafted Kenneth Walker in both my leagues, but didn't even entertain the thought of handcuffing him with Charbonnet. I hate wasting a roster spots and significant draft capital on a player who realistically has little upside without an injury to the starter. I'd rather use my roster spots to get real depth at RB. Perhaps I've been fortunate, but that strategy has always worked well for me.

I would roster Charbonnet before Wright.

Most people would. But I don't believe in sacrificing a ninth round pick on Charbs to hedge that substantial bet I already made on Walker, nor do I want to clog my roster with an unusable player. Only one of Walker and Charbonnet are likely to be startable on any given week, so one is guaranteed to be unusable over the course of the season. With Wright, there is a bigger chance he becomes startable even while Achane is healthy. And with Wright, if he looks like crap, I'll have no problem cutting him to throw another dart at upside. Charbs is in that dead zone which I hate - too valuable to cut, but not good enough to start. Especially early in the season, I want to utilize every roster spot and all my draft capital on upside. And that aggressive mindset has flat out worked for me.

 

[JohnnyU]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

The data, which may not be accurate, shows Wright's ADP it 158.. Even though I snagged him a littler earlier in my two drafts so far, I still consider that close to free. In contrast, I drafted Kenneth Walker in both my leagues, but didn't even entertain the thought of handcuffing him with Charbonnet. I hate wasting a roster spots and significant draft capital on a player who realistically has little upside without an injury to the starter. I'd rather use my roster spots to get real depth at RB. Perhaps I've been fortunate, but that strategy has always worked well for me.

I would roster Charbonnet before Wright.

Most people would. But I don't believe in sacrificing a ninth round pick on Charbs to hedge that substantial bet I already made on Walker, nor do I want to clog my roster with an unusable player. Only one of Walker and Charbonnet are likely to be startable on any given week, so one is guaranteed to be unusable over the course of the season. With Wright, there is a bigger chance he becomes startable even while Achane is healthy. And with Wright, if he looks like crap, I'll have no problem cutting him to throw another dart at upside. Charbs is in that dead zone which I hate - too valuable to cut, but not good enough to start. Especially early in the season, I want to utilize every roster spot and all my draft capital on upside. And that aggressive mindset has flat out worked for me.

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

 

[King of the Jungle]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

The data, which may not be accurate, shows Wright's ADP it 158.. Even though I snagged him a littler earlier in my two drafts so far, I still consider that close to free. In contrast, I drafted Kenneth Walker in both my leagues, but didn't even entertain the thought of handcuffing him with Charbonnet. I hate wasting a roster spots and significant draft capital on a player who realistically has little upside without an injury to the starter. I'd rather use my roster spots to get real depth at RB. Perhaps I've been fortunate, but that strategy has always worked well for me.

I would roster Charbonnet before Wright.

Most people would. But I don't believe in sacrificing a ninth round pick on Charbs to hedge that substantial bet I already made on Walker, nor do I want to clog my roster with an unusable player. Only one of Walker and Charbonnet are likely to be startable on any given week, so one is guaranteed to be unusable over the course of the season. With Wright, there is a bigger chance he becomes startable even while Achane is healthy. And with Wright, if he looks like crap, I'll have no problem cutting him to throw another dart at upside. Charbs is in that dead zone which I hate - too valuable to cut, but not good enough to start. Especially early in the season, I want to utilize every roster spot and all my draft capital on upside. And that aggressive mindset has flat out worked for me.

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

 

[JohnnyU]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

The data, which may not be accurate, shows Wright's ADP it 158.. Even though I snagged him a littler earlier in my two drafts so far, I still consider that close to free. In contrast, I drafted Kenneth Walker in both my leagues, but didn't even entertain the thought of handcuffing him with Charbonnet. I hate wasting a roster spots and significant draft capital on a player who realistically has little upside without an injury to the starter. I'd rather use my roster spots to get real depth at RB. Perhaps I've been fortunate, but that strategy has always worked well for me.

I would roster Charbonnet before Wright.

Most people would. But I don't believe in sacrificing a ninth round pick on Charbs to hedge that substantial bet I already made on Walker, nor do I want to clog my roster with an unusable player. Only one of Walker and Charbonnet are likely to be startable on any given week, so one is guaranteed to be unusable over the course of the season. With Wright, there is a bigger chance he becomes startable even while Achane is healthy. And with Wright, if he looks like crap, I'll have no problem cutting him to throw another dart at upside. Charbs is in that dead zone which I hate - too valuable to cut, but not good enough to start. Especially early in the season, I want to utilize every roster spot and all my draft capital on upside. And that aggressive mindset has flat out worked for me.

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

I believe he is partially taking into consideration ADP for taking Wright, but where we disagree is insinuating Wright will be more usable.

 

[bluemanfoo]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

The data, which may not be accurate, shows Wright's ADP it 158.. Even though I snagged him a littler earlier in my two drafts so far, I still consider that close to free. In contrast, I drafted Kenneth Walker in both my leagues, but didn't even entertain the thought of handcuffing him with Charbonnet. I hate wasting a roster spots and significant draft capital on a player who realistically has little upside without an injury to the starter. I'd rather use my roster spots to get real depth at RB. Perhaps I've been fortunate, but that strategy has always worked well for me.

I would roster Charbonnet before Wright.

Most people would. But I don't believe in sacrificing a ninth round pick on Charbs to hedge that substantial bet I already made on Walker, nor do I want to clog my roster with an unusable player. Only one of Walker and Charbonnet are likely to be startable on any given week, so one is guaranteed to be unusable over the course of the season. With Wright, there is a bigger chance he becomes startable even while Achane is healthy. And with Wright, if he looks like crap, I'll have no problem cutting him to throw another dart at upside. Charbs is in that dead zone which I hate - too valuable to cut, but not good enough to start. Especially early in the season, I want to utilize every roster spot and all my draft capital on upside. And that aggressive mindset has flat out worked for me.

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Before last year, that Miami backfield often had two startable running backs. I'm not betting my life on that happening, but it is in the possible range of outcomes if the offensive line plays better and Wright gets better. Btw Wright looks jacked right now.

And once again, Wright's cost is negligible compared to Charbs. I always wait on QB and TE, and Charbs is being taken in the same range of the QBs and TEs I love. I'm absolutely not willing to draft a handcuff over a player I am high on. And that strategy has never bit me. Anytime my starter has gotten hurt while I was contending, I either had RB depth or the handcuff didn't score enough to make a difference. I'm dating myself, but I likely lost my first championship game because I cut Kevan Barlow later in the 2003 season to handcuff Jamal Lewis amidst his 2000 yard rushing season. So I learned the reality of handcuffing very early. You have to keep accruing upside and have to play to win. Handcuffing is playing not to lose.

 

[bluemanfoo]

In terms of Dynasty talk, if you are a D Achane owner. Do you go out and look to acquire J Wright? I am torn with this thought. My RB group is pretty decent in Bijon Robinson, Achane and Chase Brown. I did draft Taje Brooks @ 3.11, not because he is Brown’s backup(it helps a bit), but he seemed like a real upside guy at that point of rookie draft. I also drafted Woody Marks and I have W Shipley as my other RB’s. considering this is FFPC and we can only keep 20 players, do you guys like pairing up like that?

In redraft, it’s not something I do at all.

I would 100% handcuff my RBs like Achane and this is likely the cheapest Wright will be. It all depends on roster size and if you can manage holding the RB. I would rather have handcuff RBs than some WR5 I will likely never start taking up space on my bench.

If Achane gets injured it will take a lot more to get Wright than now.

I hate handcuffing. Especially early in the season, I want to throw every dart I can at upside. But I'm fine handcuffing Achane with Wright, because this backfield has supported two viable fantasy RBs in the past, and Wright is close to free.

Wright is nowhere close to free as you stated. What is your definition of close to free? Certainly not in dynasty he isn’t.

The data, which may not be accurate, shows Wright's ADP it 158.. Even though I snagged him a littler earlier in my two drafts so far, I still consider that close to free. In contrast, I drafted Kenneth Walker in both my leagues, but didn't even entertain the thought of handcuffing him with Charbonnet. I hate wasting a roster spots and significant draft capital on a player who realistically has little upside without an injury to the starter. I'd rather use my roster spots to get real depth at RB. Perhaps I've been fortunate, but that strategy has always worked well for me.

I would roster Charbonnet before Wright.

Most people would. But I don't believe in sacrificing a ninth round pick on Charbs to hedge that substantial bet I already made on Walker, nor do I want to clog my roster with an unusable player. Only one of Walker and Charbonnet are likely to be startable on any given week, so one is guaranteed to be unusable over the course of the season. With Wright, there is a bigger chance he becomes startable even while Achane is healthy. And with Wright, if he looks like crap, I'll have no problem cutting him to throw another dart at upside. Charbs is in that dead zone which I hate - too valuable to cut, but not good enough to start. Especially early in the season, I want to utilize every roster spot and all my draft capital on upside. And that aggressive mindset has flat out worked for me.

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

I just believe handcuffing is a bad use of roster spots and in Charbs case, bad use of draft capital on top of it.

 

[Payne]

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

I just believe handcuffing is a bad use of roster spots and in Charbs case, bad use of draft capital on top of it.

In most cases, it can be. In the case of Walker / Charbonnet, it is not. First of all, you can get Walker later than he should go due to injury concerns.
Second, Charbonnet is worth his ADP. He is an instant RB1 if Walker were to miss time.

I LOVE handcuffing RB's when there is a clear RB1 and a backup who has the ability to produce RB1 numbers if needed.

Outside of Seattle, the only team that comes close is Atlanta in my opinion.

 

[Statorama]

I had Wright last year, and I don't know man, when he had the shot he just looked to me like an average back.

BTW - I love handcuffing backs. I made my bones on having Larry Johnson cheap when Priest Holmes went down.

 

[bluemanfoo]

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

I just believe handcuffing is a bad use of roster spots and in Charbs case, bad use of draft capital on top of it.

In most cases, it can be. In the case of Walker / Charbonnet, it is not. First of all, you can get Walker later than he should go due to injury concerns.
Second, Charbonnet is worth his ADP. He is an instant RB1 if Walker were to miss time.

I LOVE handcuffing RB's when there is a clear RB1 and a backup who has the ability to produce RB1 numbers if needed.

Outside of Seattle, the only team that comes close is Atlanta in my opinion.

I'd much rather draft three or four RBs I love rather than draft two RBs I love and their handcuffs. In the former build, I've often had three good to great RBs. If one gets hurts or one just flat out disappoints, usually I've been ok to still firing on all cylinders. In the latter strategy, I'll have at most two starting RBs in any given week. And if one of those rushing offenses stinks, I've doubled my pain, and have no "outs". Handcuffing is a terrible strategy IMO.

 

[bluemanfoo]

I had Wright last year, and I don't know man, when he had the shot he just looked to me like an average back.

BTW - I love handcuffing backs. I made my bones on having Larry Johnson cheap when Priest Holmes went down.

I agree Wright looked bad, but he also looked like a rookie who had room from improvement. And Wright does look like jacked after hitting the weights.

I remember Larry Johnson and Priest. You weren't really handcuffing there. You had the backup in a dominant rushing offense. And that's sort of what I'm doing with Wright.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

and being drafted at his floor.

I like DA and agree with the high potential. But his floor is lower than RB7.

Without accounting for an injury, I don't. I am interested to hear what you think Achane's floor is without factoring injury into the equation.

He checks all the boxes for me:

Opportunity, Efficient, Explosive, Youth, (What Projects to be a...) Good Offense.

I normally like an RB to get heavy redzone opportunity but guys like Achane, every touch is a redzone opportunity. Gibbs concedes RZ touches to Montgomery frequently, but nobody seems to care (neither do I). I just wanted to point out Montgomery is a much more capable RB than anything behind Achane.

Anyway, curious to see what you see that could cause his floor to be below an ADP of 17? He's ahead of guys like Bucky Irving, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Chase Brown in consensus and in my own rankings.

The offense as a whole is a concern.
He was the 11th RB PPG last year. While he could improve on that, and I think he will, I see no reason to move his floor above his result from last year.

I think Wright takes more of a role.

There’s a very good chance I draft him as the RB7, but I’m not setting his floor there.

RB11 overall last year doesn't tell the full story. Achane's number went down massively without Tua, but he put up huge numbers when Tua was healthy even while running behind an awful offensive line. If Tua had stayed healthy, he'd be one of the first RBs off the board this year. And if the awful offensive line just plays marginally better, he's a league winner. I'll take those odds all day.

Yeah, he could get hurt or Tua could get hurt again. But I believe that injury concerns are usually overdone. I've personally never lost a league because my players got hurt. When I lost, it's because my players weren't good enough. Perhaps I've been fortunate there, but even when I've had major injuries, I either overcame them or would have lost anyways. Like in the Fantasy championship in 2022, I had Jalen Hurts who was hurt and had Derrick Henry who was a healthy scratch in a meaningless game for the Titans. But I would have lost anyways, because my team was weak other than my top three of Hurts, Henry, and AJB.

Achane averaged 6 catches per game in 11 games with Tua. He averaged 2 catches in 6 games without Tua. PPR he averaged over 22 with Tua, less than 9 without Tua.

Huntley was not good for this offence when he went in and that is an understatement. He was NOT GOOD at all for Achane. In Huntleys 5 starts Achane saw 9 target total. That is it while Jonnu Smith had 32.

Neither Huntley or Smith are with the team now as they realized that isn't a winning combo. When Jonnu Smith is your featured "weapon" in your offence you aren't scaring many people.

As a Fins fan nothing makes me happier than not having to see Jonnu on the field anymore. Nothing against Jonnu (he's a good TE) but that isn't what the Fins need when they have Hill, Waddle and Achane - real weapons that can make things happen.

Is Zach Wilson an upgrade?

DA probably has upside only matched by Barkley, Bijan, CMC. maybe Henry, Gibbs and Jeanty but those three have more questions - Monty, Henry doesn’t get targets, and rookies are always with some risk.

Zach Wilson over Tyler Huntley at QB is an upgrade to Achane - you don't have to look too far. Breece Hall two years ago had 95 targets with Wilson at the helm. 76 receptions - which is a 33% increase to his highest RB targets in his (short) career.

After playing in Baltimore with Mark Andrews, Huntley probably assumed you only throw to the TE.

Zach Wilson knows there are a variety of options outside of the TE. He can throw it to the cameraman, sideline official, other team or if you want to complete 80% of your passes, the RB.

 

[FantasyMC]

Someone explain this to me because I've always found the "draft my backup vs. someone else's backup" debate fascinating.

Whether you draft your own backup (handcuffing) or someone else's backup, you're still using a roster spot(s) in case a lead RB misses time.

If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Walker in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you've "covered" yourself in case of a Walker injury. If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Cook in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you have an upside RB1 in case of an injury to the lead back.

In both scenarios, you are using a roster spot on a player for the same reason.

 

[Payne]

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

I just believe handcuffing is a bad use of roster spots and in Charbs case, bad use of draft capital on top of it.

In most cases, it can be. In the case of Walker / Charbonnet, it is not. First of all, you can get Walker later than he should go due to injury concerns.
Second, Charbonnet is worth his ADP. He is an instant RB1 if Walker were to miss time.

I LOVE handcuffing RB's when there is a clear RB1 and a backup who has the ability to produce RB1 numbers if needed.

Outside of Seattle, the only team that comes close is Atlanta in my opinion.

I'd much rather draft three or four RBs I love rather than draft two RBs I love and their handcuffs. In the former build, I've often had three good to great RBs. If one gets hurts or one just flat out disappoints, usually I've been ok to still firing on all cylinders. In the latter strategy, I'll have at most two starting RBs in any given week. And if one of those rushing offenses stinks, I've doubled my pain, and have no "outs". Handcuffing is a terrible strategy IMO.

Who said two? If you draft four total RB's and one happens to be Walker, Charbonnet is a must. Then you draft an RB2 and RB3 like you normally would.

Drafting two RB's and two handcuffs is not at all what I suggested.

 

[Payne]

Someone explain this to me because I've always found the "draft my backup vs. someone else's backup" debate fascinating.

Whether you draft your own backup (handcuffing) or someone else's backup, you're still using a roster spot(s) in case a lead RB misses time.

If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Walker in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you've "covered" yourself in case of a Walker injury. If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Cook in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you have an upside RB1 in case of an injury to the lead back.

In both scenarios, you are using a roster spot on a player for the same reason.

Agree. I don't get it either. Seems like the same guy could be "I'm not taking Charbonnet because I don't like handcuffing" and "I drafted Charbonnet for the upside".

 

[3nOut]

Someone explain this to me because I've always found the "draft my backup vs. someone else's backup" debate fascinating.

Whether you draft your own backup (handcuffing) or someone else's backup, you're still using a roster spot(s) in case a lead RB misses time.

If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Walker in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you've "covered" yourself in case of a Walker injury. If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Cook in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you have an upside RB1 in case of an injury to the lead back.

In both scenarios, you are using a roster spot on a player for the same reason.

When you draft someone else’s handcuff, you are counting on TWO things to happen for them to have value for you. Your own starter going down AND theirs. Unless their handcuff is better than one of your starters.

I take my handcuff only if he has decent starter potential if my guy goes down to ensure I still have a starter. I only draft someone else’s handcuff in deep roster leagues to fill a roster spot or if I feel they may have some standalone flex value.

 

[msudaisy26]

Someone explain this to me because I've always found the "draft my backup vs. someone else's backup" debate fascinating.

Whether you draft your own backup (handcuffing) or someone else's backup, you're still using a roster spot(s) in case a lead RB misses time.

If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Walker in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you've "covered" yourself in case of a Walker injury. If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Cook in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you have an upside RB1 in case of an injury to the lead back.

In both scenarios, you are using a roster spot on a player for the same reason.

When you draft someone else’s handcuff, you are counting on TWO things to happen for them to have value for you. Your own starter going down AND theirs. Unless their handcuff is better than one of your starters.

I take my handcuff only if he has decent starter potential if my guy goes down to ensure I still have a starter. I only draft someone else’s handcuff in deep roster leagues to fill a roster spot or if I feel they may have some standalone flex value.

That first part isn't correct. Your starter doesn't have to go down. That player has trade value, they would have stand alone value, and the fact those players points would be on your bench and not in your opponents lineup being used against you or helping with tie breakers.

 

[-OZ-]

Someone explain this to me because I've always found the "draft my backup vs. someone else's backup" debate fascinating.

Whether you draft your own backup (handcuffing) or someone else's backup, you're still using a roster spot(s) in case a lead RB misses time.

If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Walker in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you've "covered" yourself in case of a Walker injury. If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Cook in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you have an upside RB1 in case of an injury to the lead back.

In both scenarios, you are using a roster spot on a player for the same reason.

When you draft someone else’s handcuff, you are counting on TWO things to happen for them to have value for you. Your own starter going down AND theirs. Unless their handcuff is better than one of your starters.

I take my handcuff only if he has decent starter potential if my guy goes down to ensure I still have a starter. I only draft someone else’s handcuff in deep roster leagues to fill a roster spot or if I feel they may have some standalone flex value.

That first part isn't correct. Your starter doesn't have to go down. That player has trade value, they would have stand alone value, and the fact those people points would be on your bench and not in your opponents lineup being used against you or helping with tie breakers.

In a way, drafting your own handcuff is buying insurance. Buying another handcuff is a speculative investment.

Fwiw, I have DA and Wright but had drafted wright before trading for DA last summer.

 

[Big Nate]

Someone explain this to me because I've always found the "draft my backup vs. someone else's backup" debate fascinating.

Whether you draft your own backup (handcuffing) or someone else's backup, you're still using a roster spot(s) in case a lead RB misses time.

If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Walker in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you've "covered" yourself in case of a Walker injury. If you draft Gibbs in the 1st, Cook in the 4th then Charbonnet in the 9th, you have an upside RB1 in case of an injury to the lead back.

In both scenarios, you are using a roster spot on a player for the same reason.

Everyone has their own thoughts on this strategy and even for those that draft cuffs it could vary. It also hugely depends on league, roster sizes etc. I play in one PPR redraft with only 5 bench spots while starting 9 players. The waivers are wild each week. No room to roster many cuffs.

So keep in mind when you see someone comment it likely depends on dynasty vs redraft and roster/bench sizes.

I think the general thought is in good offenses with good back up RBs who could be a fantasy worthy starter they are worth rostering. Those that are arguing over my backup vs another backup probably like that particular back-up better - and that is probably it.

In this offense it has shown that they can have very productive RBs and I think Wright could be inline for a decent amount of work should Achane get injured. Now there is the one issue of Mattison being there and we do know this coaching staff likes their veterans....

 

[bluemanfoo]

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

I just believe handcuffing is a bad use of roster spots and in Charbs case, bad use of draft capital on top of it.

In most cases, it can be. In the case of Walker / Charbonnet, it is not. First of all, you can get Walker later than he should go due to injury concerns.
Second, Charbonnet is worth his ADP. He is an instant RB1 if Walker were to miss time.

I LOVE handcuffing RB's when there is a clear RB1 and a backup who has the ability to produce RB1 numbers if needed.

Outside of Seattle, the only team that comes close is Atlanta in my opinion.

I'd much rather draft three or four RBs I love rather than draft two RBs I love and their handcuffs. In the former build, I've often had three good to great RBs. If one gets hurts or one just flat out disappoints, usually I've been ok to still firing on all cylinders. In the latter strategy, I'll have at most two starting RBs in any given week. And if one of those rushing offenses stinks, I've doubled my pain, and have no "outs". Handcuffing is a terrible strategy IMO.

Who said two? If you draft four total RB's and one happens to be Walker, Charbonnet is a must. Then you draft an RB2 and RB3 like you normally would.

Drafting two RB's and two handcuffs is not at all what I suggested.

Charbs a must? Not even close to a must in my mind. I'd much much much rather roster a third option that has weekly upside, and I 'd rather use that ninth round pick on my first QB or TE.

 

[zamboni]

The whole handcuffing strategy definitely warrants its own thread if it hasn't already (guessing it has over the years). It's a fascinating debate because there are definitely positives for both handcuffing or not handcuffing. This is especially so since last year the RB landscape was uncharacteristically rather injury-free among the bulk of the starting RBs. Can't expect that to happen again.

 

[bluemanfoo]

The whole handcuffing strategy definitely warrants its own thread if it hasn't already (guessing it has over the years). It's a fascinating debate because there are definitely positives for both handcuffing or not handcuffing. This is especially so since last year the RB landscape was uncharacteristically rather injury-free among the bulk of the starting RBs. Can't expect that to happen again.

You're right. Handcuffing is a bigger topic that should be in a thread on its own. My original point was, as someone who hates handcuffing, I'm ok with Wright because that offense has supported two backs in the past, so there is some possibility he has value outside being a handcuff. And he's cheap enough that I can drop him if he looks kind of lost, like he did last year. That point is important too.

 

[Payne]

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

I just believe handcuffing is a bad use of roster spots and in Charbs case, bad use of draft capital on top of it.

In most cases, it can be. In the case of Walker / Charbonnet, it is not. First of all, you can get Walker later than he should go due to injury concerns.
Second, Charbonnet is worth his ADP. He is an instant RB1 if Walker were to miss time.

I LOVE handcuffing RB's when there is a clear RB1 and a backup who has the ability to produce RB1 numbers if needed.

Outside of Seattle, the only team that comes close is Atlanta in my opinion.

I'd much rather draft three or four RBs I love rather than draft two RBs I love and their handcuffs. In the former build, I've often had three good to great RBs. If one gets hurts or one just flat out disappoints, usually I've been ok to still firing on all cylinders. In the latter strategy, I'll have at most two starting RBs in any given week. And if one of those rushing offenses stinks, I've doubled my pain, and have no "outs". Handcuffing is a terrible strategy IMO.

Who said two? If you draft four total RB's and one happens to be Walker, Charbonnet is a must. Then you draft an RB2 and RB3 like you normally would.

Drafting two RB's and two handcuffs is not at all what I suggested.

Charbs a must? Not even close to a must in my mind. I'd much much much rather roster a third option that has weekly upside, and I 'd rather use that ninth round pick on my first QB or TE.

If you own Walker, Charbonnet is a must.

 

[Big Nate]

Sorry, but I can’t see a world where Wright is usable without an injury. Even if the same is true about Charbs, there is no indication of Wright being better than Charbs.

Charbs has proven to have production when Walker was out, so I would say most would value him more than Wright.

I just believe handcuffing is a bad use of roster spots and in Charbs case, bad use of draft capital on top of it.

In most cases, it can be. In the case of Walker / Charbonnet, it is not. First of all, you can get Walker later than he should go due to injury concerns.
Second, Charbonnet is worth his ADP. He is an instant RB1 if Walker were to miss time.

I LOVE handcuffing RB's when there is a clear RB1 and a backup who has the ability to produce RB1 numbers if needed.

Outside of Seattle, the only team that comes close is Atlanta in my opinion.

I'd much rather draft three or four RBs I love rather than draft two RBs I love and their handcuffs. In the former build, I've often had three good to great RBs. If one gets hurts or one just flat out disappoints, usually I've been ok to still firing on all cylinders. In the latter strategy, I'll have at most two starting RBs in any given week. And if one of those rushing offenses stinks, I've doubled my pain, and have no "outs". Handcuffing is a terrible strategy IMO.

Who said two? If you draft four total RB's and one happens to be Walker, Charbonnet is a must. Then you draft an RB2 and RB3 like you normally would.

Drafting two RB's and two handcuffs is not at all what I suggested.

Charbs a must? Not even close to a must in my mind. I'd much much much rather roster a third option that has weekly upside, and I 'd rather use that ninth round pick on my first QB or TE.

If you own Walker, Charbonnet is a must.

And even if you don't he is a great later round RB to roster. He's worth it because you know 100% you can play Charbs if Walker goes down. Charbs has proven he can carry the load AND produce for fantasy. He's a perfect handcuff to own, and a good RB just to roster assuming you have space/league settings allow it.

Wright could be very similar assuming he's the next back up and Mattison doesn't end up causing problems. I keep forgetting Mattison is there.