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RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

Dr. Dan said:
I like this trade a lot. Honestly I think it's a free Golladay
without golladay that trade makes zero sense imo.  I have guice and would trade him every single time for Gordon straight up.  

 
without golladay that trade makes zero sense imo.  I have guice and would trade him every single time for Gordon straight up.  
I agree, but I don’t think the difference between the two in dynasty is a top 15-20 wr. I’d take the Guice/Golladay side every time personally. 

 
Guice on Melvin's level is such a joke.

Melvin was the RB3 in PPG prior to his injury last season....ahead of Kamara. But now he's equal to a player who fell to the end of the 2nd round in the NFL Draft, tore his ACL, zero NFL carries, had other knee complications in the offseason, and now is listed behind a 34 year old RB in the depth chart? 
Like I've stated, I like Gordon but his lifetime 4 YPC leaves much more to be desired. Plus, it needs to be acknowledged that Philip Rivers is 37 years old. I understand that we're growing accustomed to all QBs aging like fine wine, but that's not supposed to happen!

Anyway, I look at all dynasty trades in a 3-5 year window:

Melvin Gordon, Age 26
Derius Guice, Age 22
Philip Rivers, Age 37
Kenny Golladay, Age 25

We take a time machine 3 years into the future. Melvin Gordon is 29. Derius Guice is 25. Philip Rivers is 40. Kenny Golladay is 28.
We take a time machine 5 years into the future. Melvin Gordon is 31. Derius Guice is 28. Phillip Rivers is 42. Kenny  Golladay is 30.

ACL tears aside (because Gordon has had his fair share of knee injuries). 4 years is a HUGE difference between runningback. It's a lot closer than you're stating here, especially if you believe Gordon's best season(s) are behind him and that Guice's best season(s) are ahead of him. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice a little currently to gain a little on the backend.

Assuming any of these guys are relevant 4 years from now. ;)

 
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Guice on Melvin's level is such a joke.

Melvin was the RB3 in PPG prior to his injury last season....ahead of Kamara. But now he's equal to a player who fell to the end of the 2nd round in the NFL Draft, tore his ACL, zero NFL carries, had other knee complications in the offseason, and now is listed behind a 34 year old RB in the depth chart? 
Are you basing this on Gordon playing 16 games for the Chargers this year? If so, do you think that's a reasonable assumption at this point?

 
Like I've stated, I like Gordon but his lifetime 4 YPC leaves much more to be desired. Plus, it needs to be acknowledged that Philip Rivers is 37 years old. I understand that we're growing accustomed to all QBs aging like fine wine, but that's not supposed to happen!

Anyway, I look at all dynasty trades in a 3-5 year window:

Melvin Gordon, Age 26
Derius Guice, Age 22
Philip Rivers, Age 37
Kenny Golladay, Age 25

We take a time machine 3 years into the future. Melvin Gordon is 29. Derius Guice is 25. Philip Rivers is 40. Kenny Golladay is 28.
We take a time machine 5 years into the future. Melvin Gordon is 31. Derius Guice is 28. Phillip Rivers is 42. Kenny  Golladay is 30.

ACL tears aside (because Gordon has had his fair share of knee injuries). 4 years is a HUGE difference between runningback. It's a lot closer than you're stating here, especially if you believe Gordon's best season(s) are behind him and that Guice's best season(s) are ahead of him. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice a little currently to gain a little on the backend.

Assuming any of these guys are relevant 4 years from now. ;)
I am not sure what this post actually helps with fantasy football.  I think most can add 3 and 5 years to players ages to find out how old they will be in the future.

 
Like I've stated, I like Gordon but his lifetime 4 YPC leaves much more to be desired. Plus, it needs to be acknowledged that Philip Rivers is 37 years old. I understand that we're growing accustomed to all QBs aging like fine wine, but that's not supposed to happen!

Anyway, I look at all dynasty trades in a 3-5 year window:

Melvin Gordon, Age 26
Derius Guice, Age 22
Philip Rivers, Age 37
Kenny Golladay, Age 25

We take a time machine 3 years into the future. Melvin Gordon is 29. Derius Guice is 25. Philip Rivers is 40. Kenny Golladay is 28.
We take a time machine 5 years into the future. Melvin Gordon is 31. Derius Guice is 28. Phillip Rivers is 42. Kenny  Golladay is 30.

ACL tears aside (because Gordon has had his fair share of knee injuries). 4 years is a HUGE difference between runningback. It's a lot closer than you're stating here, especially if you believe Gordon's best season(s) are behind him and that Guice's best season(s) are ahead of him. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice a little currently to gain a little on the backend.

Assuming any of these guys are relevant 4 years from now. ;)
everyone would take the trade you did at this point in time, with Golladay included (I think they would anyways....).        He is responding back to the statement that Gordon and Guice have the same value right now (getting golladay for free).  the Rivers/age argument is kinda pointless because its not like the skins have the position on lockdown either.   Its not really that close, he had to give you a top 20 wr to make it happen.

Would you have traded Gordon for guice straight up?

 
Win now, I'd keep gordon and hope he comes back to play this year (and I think he will at some point).  If I'm rebuilding I take Guice and Golladay. 

Also, unless he signs the deal in front of him right now, I'm doubting Gordon will be on the Chargers in 3 or 5 years. 

 
I am not sure what this post actually helps with fantasy football.  I think most can add 3 and 5 years to players ages to find out how old they will be in the future.
I'm not sure how actually helpful this post is to fantasy football. It doesn't even talk about the topic at hand and is really just a ridiculous nitpick that adds nothing to the discussion.
 

The post IS HELPFUL BECAUSE, to this point nobody had listed any of the ages of the player pertinent to the trade involved. If you want to be a juvenile and claim that all I did was add 3-5 year to the players age, you're ignoring the fact the players' ages were listed nowhere in this thread. That was the content that was being added to the discussion. If you want to be juvenile and only comment on the simple math, then fine be that way.

But I don't like or find your style of posting very helpful as you're strictly looking for negative things to post while ignoring the actual work being done.

 
I didn't focus much on the post after realizing what he was doing so I didn't catch the adding error.  Maybe most can't.
That's because you're kind of a rude person. I went out of the way to Google the players and provide their ages to prove my greater point and you come in here complaining about the usefulness. LAST I CHECKED, LISTING A PLAYER'S AGE IN A TRADE BEING DISCUSSED IS HELPFUL.

 
That's because you're kind of a rude person. I went out of the way to Google the players and provide their ages to prove my greater point and you come in here complaining about the usefulness. LAST I CHECKED, LISTING A PLAYER'S AGE IN A TRADE BEING DISCUSSED IS HELPFUL.
The thing is I take into account the players' age when I trade.  I don't just assign random years to add to the players in the trade to dictate whether I should make the trade or not.  I wasn't trying to be rude, just wondering why you chose 3 and 5 years to add and what the point was.

The point in this is that the more years you add the older player becomes less valuable.  

 
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The thing is I take into account the players' age when I trade.  I don't just assign random years to add to the players in the trade to dictate whether I should make the trade or not.  I wasn't trying to be rude, just wondering why you chose 3 and 5 years to add and what the point was.
In regards to the bolded, that's not what the argument is. We all account for the ages of players in dynasty trades. The point here, is that do you think offhand, everyone in this thread knows the ages of:

Melvin Gordon
Derius Guice
Kenny Golladay
Philip Rivers


By memory? I know I sure didn't. Since all players were relevant to the point I was making, I posted their ages so everyone can have the same luxury of viewing this information without having to look their ages up on Google. Putting all the data in one place so it can be viewed at once gives you a better idea of the bigger picture / future. The adding 3-5 years was all part of the example and the picture I was illustrating. Sure, we feel such ways about these players now when they're all relatively young (sans Rivers). But how do we feel about them in 3-5 years when certain players get closer to 30? The idea was to place you directly into the future instead of calculating ages of players they don't know by heart in their heads. 

If you want to take that as "me telling everyone that since Melvin Gordon is 25 now, he will be 28 in 3 years" be my guest. I personally give people more benefit of the doubt than that.

 
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The joke's on you guys for laughing and reacting to @Shrugs post. I am literally sitting here working in a CPA Office as a Junior Accountant who is studying to become a Certified Public Accountant myself. If me accidentally typing a "7" instead of  an "8" is the basis for such amusement and bullying at my expense, I have to question whether or not I am wasting my time posting here in the first place.

You guys never made a typo before?

 
In regards to the bolded, that's not what the argument is. We all account for the ages of players in dynasty trades. The point here, is that do you think offhand, everyone in this thread knows the ages of:

Melvin Gordon
Derius Guice
Kenny Golladay
Philip Rivers


By memory? I know I sure didn't. Since all players were relevant to the point I was making, I posted their ages so everyone can have the same luxury of viewing this information without having to look their ages up on Google. Putting all the data in one place so it can be viewed at once gives you a better idea of the bigger picture / future. The adding 3-5 years was all part of the example and the picture I was illustrating. Sure, we feel such ways about these players now when they're all relatively young (sans Rivers). But how do we feel about them in 3-5 years when certain players get closer to 30? The idea was to place you directly into the future instead of calculating ages of players they don't know by heart in their heads. 

If you want to take that as "me telling everyone that since Melvin Gordon is 25 now, he will be 28 in 3 years" be my guest. I personally give people more benefit of the doubt than that.
Stating a players age is useful.

Bring up the point of "think about the future" is useful.

Specifically adding a randomly assigned year (twice) (incorrectly in an instance) is talking down to your audience.  It's you being rude first.  Everyone here can add 3 or 5 to whatever, we don't need your help.

 
The joke's on you guys for laughing and reacting to @Shrugs post. I am literally sitting here working in a CPA Office as a Junior Accountant who is studying to become a Certified Public Accountant myself. If me accidentally typing a "7" instead of  an "8" is the basis for such amusement and bullying at my expense, I have to question whether or not I am wasting my time posting here in the first place.

You guys never made a typo before?
Can we make fun of your incredibly thin skin?

 
@Raptors409Take a timeout 

Give me the Guice/Golladay side in that trade all day long. It would't surprise me in the least if Guice = MG by the end of the year. I'm higher on Guice than most (homer alert).

 
Stating a players age is useful.

Bring up the point of "think about the future" is useful.

Specifically adding a randomly assigned year (twice) (incorrectly in an instance) is talking down to your audience.  It's you being rude first.  Everyone here can add 3 or 5 to whatever, we don't need your help.
Are you being serious with this response right now? You’re calling me rude because I provided the exact ages of the players in 3 years instead of letting you do the math yourself? 

It’s my scenario and point. It’s about you SEEING the numbers and understanding than when Gordon turns 30 both those guys will be in their prime still. 

Seeing their ages written out instead of asking you to imagine them is what I wanted to illustrate my point.

 
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Are you being serious with this response right now? You’re calling me rude because I provided the exact ages of the players in 3 years?

It’s my scenario and point. It’s about you SEEING the numbers and understanding than when Gordon turns 30 both those guys will be in their prime still.

Seeing their ages written out instead of asking you to imagine them is what I wanted to illustrate my point.
Then you pick one or two examples.  That's illustrating a point.  Saying everyone will be this much older in this much time is just stating a fact like we're too dumb to figure it out ourselves.

 
Then you pick one or two examples.  That's illustrating a point.  Saying everyone will be this much older in this much time is just stating a fact like we're too dumb to figure it out ourselves.
But that’s not what I said and I’ve clarified myself multiple times. You are being intellectually dishonest and mean spirited.

As previously stated, I give people way more benefit of the doubt than you’re giving me. Because you saying what you think my intention was tells me you think I’m an idiot.

Do I want to converse with somebody who thinks that about me?

 
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But that’s not what I said and I’ve clarified myself multiple times. You are being intellectually dishonest and mean spirited.

As previously stated, I give people way more benefit of the doubt than you’re giving me. Because you saying you think this was my intention tells me you think I’m an idiot.
I don't think it was your intention. And I apologize for making it seem that way.  I do think that's how you came off though.

Added to that you brought up what you do for a living, which doesn't matter unless it gives you a special insight to the NFL or fantasy, which just irks me.  But that's a personal bias.

 
I don't think it was your intention. And I apologize for making it seem that way.  I do think that's how you came off though.

Added to that you brought up what you do for a living, which doesn't matter unless it gives you a special insight to the NFL or fantasy, which just irks me.  But that's a personal bias.
No need to apologize, it’s just silly that in a post that was 4.5 paragraphs long, people want to nitpick the fact that I gave the players ages in 3-5 years from now. 

No comments on the other 3.5 paragraphs I wrote, only angry comments that I did a little extra math for you so I could illustrate MY point the way I wanted.

How am I supposed to react to that? “Thanks for ignoring the content of my post and giving me criticism for providing player ages during the time frame my post referred to.”

The profession comment was tongue in cheek. As in, “laugh at my typo all you want, I’m an accountant!”. Anyway, I’m over it.

Everyone enjoy the thread!!!

 
everyone would take the trade you did at this point in time, with Golladay included (I think they would anyways....).        He is responding back to the statement that Gordon and Guice have the same value right now (getting golladay for free).  the Rivers/age argument is kinda pointless because its not like the skins have the position on lockdown either.   Its not really that close, he had to give you a top 20 wr to make it happen.

Would you have traded Gordon for guice straight up?
Hell no! 😂

 
Sorry AP but you aren't going to hold him off.
 

As former LSU running back Derrius Guice continues to get stronger and stronger after a torn ACL in the preseason ended his rookie season with the Washington Redskins before it got off the ground, head coach Jay Gruden said after practice over the weekend that the Baton Rouge native is getting more and more work.

"Derrius is doing good," Gruden said on Sunday. "You know we’ve increased his workload a little bit on a daily basis and he’s handled it pretty well. Now it’s just a matter of handling the reps and making sure he gets enough, but also not overloading him coming off that injury. But, I’ve been impressed with Derrius both in the passing game and the running game."

Guice caught plenty of balls at the All-American Bowl in the slot coming out of high school. In practice in Richmond, Va., he showed some of that skillset once again as he made a big play in the passing game before two more impressive plays that caught Gruden's eye.

"Yeah, I think he feels good – he looks good. The other day he caught a rail route down the sideline and ran 80 yard and the next play he ran an outside zone and ran about 50 yards, next play he picked up a blitz in pass protection," Gruden said. "I think he’s showing flashes of being good in all phases – cutting – obviously we can’t see the power which is his strength. I’ve been impressed with him."

As the Redskins approach their first preseason game against the Cleveland Browns, wide receiver Paul Richardson sees an offense that can be dynamic and that's in part because Guice is working with a strong group of running backs. Quarterbacks Colt McCoy, Case Keenum and Dwayne Haskins are all battling to see who will lead that offense.

"I think we could be as productive as we allow ourselves to be. You have Jordan Reed who is a tight end but lines up at receiver and runs routes like a receiver, has great speed," Richardson said on Sunday. "You got [Derrius] Guice coming back who's a multi-down running back, he can catch passes out of the back field, which we've seen here at camp, he can make cuts, he can hit the hole and you got CT (Chris Thompson) who does it all as well. I think we have a great group of guys.

"Offensively, I think we can be dynamic because I know we're going to run the ball and then on the outside we got guys who can make plays on the ball down field, who can get the ball up and down."
https://247sports.com/college/lsu/Article/Derrius-Guice-Washington-Redskins-LSU-Tigers-preseason-snap-count-Jay-Gruden-134184583/

 
without golladay that trade makes zero sense imo.  I have guice and would trade him every single time for Gordon straight up.  
I wouldnt trade Gordon straight up for Guice either as I can get more, but I like Guice more than Gordon personally. IMO there is a reason he is holding out and I think it's his knee. wanta to pull a Gurley

 
I wouldnt trade Gordon straight up for Guice either as I can get more, but I like Guice more than Gordon personally. IMO there is a reason he is holding out and I think it's his knee. wanta to pull a Gurley
Irresponsible baseless conjecture, or intentionally misleading baseless conjecture?

 
Irresponsible baseless conjecture, or intentionally misleading baseless conjecture? 
It's a forum, where people offer whatever they feel like offering. I said "I think" and added a comment. I realize you don't like this, and that's fine, but I think it's something to consider. These guys see Gurley have arthritis in his knee, but thankfull for him he signed his big deal. Meanwhile Ajayi is sitting unemployed with a questionable knee (does his knee have OA?) I can't blame these guys for trying to cash out while they can. 

eta- I do know someone from  the chargers medical staff, so I could see what I can get out of him. His info may be a year old. 

 
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It's a forum, where people offer whatever they feel like offering. I said "I think" and added a comment. I realize you don't like this, and that's fine, but I think it's something to consider. These guys see Gurley have arthritis in his knee, but thankfull for him he signed his big deal. Meanwhile Ajayi is sitting unemployed with a questionable knee (does his knee have OA?) I can't blame these guys for trying to cash out while they can. 

eta- I do know someone from  the chargers medical staff, so I could see what I can get out of him. His info may be a year old. 
Thanks for the detailed reply. I think that if you’re going to offer that kind of speculation as a medical professional, you should have put that in with the original statement. Adding your explanation changes it from being a hot take to a reasoned argument. 

 
Thanks for the detailed reply. I think that if you’re going to offer that kind of speculation as a medical professional, you should have put that in with the original statement. Adding your explanation changes it from being a hot take to a reasoned argument. 
yeah I didn't mean for it to be a hot take. apologies 

I've been wrong about Gordon's knee doe about 3 years so I'm probably just looking for the eventual chicken coming home to roost. 

 
Thanks for posting this. This is great to see. I kept him from last year and will be my 4th RB and I was obviously super stoked but the early commentary was not good but looks to be turning around. I think he’ll surprise a lot of people this year as long as the Skins can move the ball. 

 
It's a forum, where people offer whatever they feel like offering. I said "I think" and added a comment. I realize you don't like this, and that's fine, but I think it's something to consider. These guys see Gurley have arthritis in his knee, but thankfull for him he signed his big deal. Meanwhile Ajayi is sitting unemployed with a questionable knee (does his knee have OA?) I can't blame these guys for trying to cash out while they can. 

eta- I do know someone from  the chargers medical staff, so I could see what I can get out of him. His info may be a year old. 
But he couldn’t possibly think the Chargers would extend him if they knew his knee was bad (and they would know) so if anything he’d be stupid not to take the $5MM this year.

 
I've been trying to sell Guice in the league I own him, but no realistic bites. 

He is my RB3, and that's where I think I feel comfortable with him this year. I wouldnt feel confident with him as my rb2. so heres hoping Mixon or Barkley dont go down!

 
I've been trying to sell Guice in the league I own him, but no realistic bites. 

He is my RB3, and that's where I think I feel comfortable with him this year. I wouldnt feel confident with him as my rb2. so heres hoping Mixon or Barkley dont go down!
You should never hope that in fantasy football.  Not to mention the bad karma it brings.

ETA:  never mind, I read it wrong.  Keyword "Don't".  Sorry about that :)

 
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You should never hope that in fantasy football.  Not to mention the bad karma it brings.

ETA:  never mind, I read it wrong.  Keyword "Don't".  Sorry about that :)
I'm hoping Guice and Henderson can provide a stopgap at Rb3 and 4 until 2020 where I have a few 1st rounders and plan to upgrade my rb situation

 

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