RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

[ConnSKINS26]

I sold him and Watson for latavius and Aaron Rodgers. 

You lost both parts of that deal. And not by a little...by a lot. 

 

[SCT]

Time will tell.  I don’t believe in Guice and I love Murray this year.  Slight downgrade in Qb for upgrade at Rb4 in my opinion.  Tried to unload guice for the past two months.  

 Difference in quarterback scoring will be very negligible. Meanwhile, Murray will be a top 24 to 30 running back and if Kamara goes down he will be top 10. 

 

[JohnnyU]

You lost both parts of that deal. And not by a little...by a lot. 

I like the Watson / Guice side by a lot

 

[Interseptopus]

Time will tell.  I don’t believe in Guice and I love Murray this year.  Slight downgrade in Qb for upgrade at Rb4 in my opinion.  Tried to unload guice for the past two months.  

 Difference in quarterback scoring will be very negligible. Meanwhile, Murray will be a top 24 to 30 running back and if Kamara goes down he will be top 10. 

Watson is already better than Rodgers. Time will tell? IMO the only way this works out is if Watson is a complete bust here out. 

You traded for two guys in the sunset of their careers for two in the sunrise.

Ah well, what's done is done. I hope it works out for you

 

[BobbyLayne]

Watson is already better than Rodgers. Time will tell? IMO the only way this works out is if Watson is a complete bust here out. 

You traded for two guys in the sunset of their careers for two in the sunrise. 

Agreed, and even trying to justify by this season,  Watson has an excellent chance at being the top scoring QB and Aaron has a brutal early schedule.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Time will tell.  I don’t believe in Guice and I love Murray this year.  Slight downgrade in Qb for upgrade at Rb4 in my opinion.  Tried to unload guice for the past two months.  

 Difference in quarterback scoring will be very negligible. Meanwhile, Murray will be a top 24 to 30 running back and if Kamara goes down he will be top 10. 

I hope this is redraft, otherwise you killed that team.

 

[Raptors409]

Let him be.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I sold him and Watson for latavius and Aaron Rodgers. 

Wut

 

[popeye]

I suspect people selling Guice in dynasty leagues will look back next year with a with a great of regret at what they have done.  Maybe as early as the middle of this year.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm confused by the people put off by Guice not playing in preseason week 1. Is it because of the delayed reports about his extra surgeries, that came out after he was already healthy again?

He's been looking great in practice and catching lots of balls. They lost him to an ACL exactly a year ago in a meaningless game so they're playing it safe--I'd think dynasty owners would be happy about that.

 

[trader jake]

I suspect people selling Guice in dynasty leagues will look back next year with a with a great of regret at what they have done.  Maybe as early as the middle of this year.

Or AP getting touches, poor surrounding offensive talent (including a rookie QB), and his first year back from injury will combine to keep Guice from putting up numbers.  Add in a talent like Bryce Love lurking and the opportunity to buy low could be even better near the end of the 2019 season.  ??

 

[Interseptopus]

Or AP getting touches, poor surrounding offensive talent (including a rookie QB), and his first year back from injury will combine to keep Guice from putting up numbers.  Add in a talent like Bryce Love lurking and the opportunity to buy low could be even better near the end of the 2019 season.  ??

These are all good points

Edit: well, except AP. I dont think he matters much

I dont think Haskins succeeds in the NFL. 

I also dont like the WRs there. None of them profile as an NFL wr1. 

I can see Guice being stuck on a horrible team during his best years. I dont blame anyone for selling, however selling for L. Murray is a bit extreme to say the least.

I have verbally offered Guice for Carson in one league. Waiting on a response. I'm pretty high on Carson this year. tried to get Guice in another league for essentially Corey Davis and he declined. 

 

[ffmail4me]

I dont think Haskins succeeds in the NFL. 

I also dont like the WRs there. None of them profile as an NFL wr1. 

Why don't you think Haskins succeeds in the NFL?? Waaaay to early to make that prediction. Is that based on a few snaps in his first preseason game? I've been very encouraged by what has been said about him during OTAs and practice so far. 

WRs are a different story :(

 

[Interseptopus]

Why don't you think Haskins succeeds in the NFL?? Waaaay to early to make that prediction. Is that based on a few snaps in his first preseason game? I've been very encouraged by what has been said about him during OTAs and practice so far. 

WRs are a different story :(

No, not based off his preseason game. I actually have no idea how he did. 

I dont think he has enough experience and IMO the system propped him up. I have been back and forth about him all offseason, but I am just not convinced at this point. 

 

[Faust]

Fantasy football players you're drafting too early: Derrius Guice

 

[SCT]

Guys the difference in projected points for qbs on some sites between qb2 and qb12 is 12 total points.   So I really don’t care about the position and wanted to leverage it to someone who does for what I believe will prove to be a rb upgrade.  Murray is Ingram role but better at it.  If kamara gets dinged up Murray is a league winner.   I hope to come back to this thread in the future to get all my told you sos in.  

 

[SCT]

Fantasy football players you're drafting too early: Derrius Guice

This. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Guys the difference in projected points for qbs on some sites between qb2 and qb12 is 12 total points.   So I really don’t care about the position and wanted to leverage it to someone who does for what I believe will prove to be a rb upgrade.  Murray is Ingram role but better at it.  If kamara gets dinged up Murray is a league winner.   I hope to come back to this thread in the future to get all my told you sos in.  

The point is you could have gotten a lot more for Guice, and a heck of a lot more for Watson- that's the bigger killer of this trade; you trade away a top 3-5 QB over the next decade. 

Since this is the Guice thread, we can stick to the RB side of things. I think you're wrong but you can manage how you like. You could have gotten a much better rb, or even a second rb in addition to Murray if you are that in love with him. I look forward to the I told you sos

 

[SCT]

The point is you could have gotten a lot more for Guice, and a heck of a lot more for Watson- that's the bigger killer of this trade; you trade away a top 3-5 QB over the next decade. 

Since this is the Guice thread, we can stick to the RB side of things. I think you're wrong but you can manage how you like. You could have gotten a much better rb, or even a second rb in addition to Murray if you are that in love with him. I look forward to the I told you sos

Like I said I tried to sell guice for a month and couldn’t get it done.  Nobody wanted him and I don’t blame them.  Every expert and podcast I hear puts him on their do not draft list.    I was happy to offload him off my roster for a guy I see with a lot of upside.   I don’t see any real difference between Watson and Rodgers this year and all the projections having 5-10 point differences supports that idea.  It’s not a dynasty league so the next decade is meaningless. 

 

[Penguin]

Hoping Guice's situation (surrounding cast etc) improves next year. Not expecting a heck of a lot this year. If he stays healthy, next year ADP and Thompson could/should be gone. It will be his show with Love spelling him. Now there's the question of will Haskins succeed, the OL and the WR's, but hopefully things turn for the better.

 

[cloppbeast]

Not long ago, people in this thread thought Guice was worth the 2019 1.02. I'm not understanding what has happened for people to want to abandon ship all of the sudden. He was the long play the whole time.

 

[Interseptopus]

Like I said I tried to sell guice for a month and couldn’t get it done.  Nobody wanted him and I don’t blame them.  Every expert and podcast I hear puts him on their do not draft list.    I was happy to offload him off my roster for a guy I see with a lot of upside.   I don’t see any real difference between Watson and Rodgers this year and all the projections having 5-10 point differences supports that idea.  It’s not a dynasty league so the next decade is meaningless. 

I'd say I like this slightly better then for redraft. I can see Guice a hard sell in redraft. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Not long ago, people in this thread thought Guice was worth the 2019 1.02. I'm not understanding what has happened for people to want to abandon ship all of the sudden. He was the long play the whole time.

I think he still is worth 1.2 in 2019, but I am pessimistic about his situation, hoping it changes. He has more talent than any rb in the 2019 draft 

I think his second half of 2019 will tell a lot about his future. I'm a buyer for Guice as I'm always looking 2 years ahead. 

 

[Penguin]

In a redraft I'm staying away from where he's being taken. I saw him go two rounds before Carson the other day

 

[Mingooch]

Still love and own Guice here. I am taking the long view and see his talent rising as the team tried to improve.  Do I expect a ton this year? No, but I got him later last year with the long range in mind.  

 

[Elevencents]

I suspect people selling Guice in dynasty leagues will look back next year with a with a great of regret at what they have done.  Maybe as early as the middle of this year.

This. It’s waaaay too early to be selling him. I think people are panicking a little too much. You have him, time to ride it out and see how it plays out. I was hoping he could be a RB2 for me but I have tempered my expectations and even if he is RB3 I’m ok with that. I think he is someone that will pay off down the road, maybe not immediately. 

 

[Elevencents]

In a redraft I'm staying away from where he's being taken. I saw him go two rounds before Carson the other day

I love Guice but that’s just dumb. 

 

[Elevencents]

I think he still is worth 1.2 in 2019, but I am pessimistic about his situation, hoping it changes. He has more talent than any rb in the 2019 draft 

I think his second half of 2019 will tell a lot about his future. I'm a buyer for Guice as I'm always looking 2 years ahead. 

I thought you said you were selling him?

 

[Interseptopus]

I thought you said you were selling him?

I'm a buyer and a seller. I am trying to sell for Carson in one league and trying to buy in another. 

Guice is more talented than Carson but Carson is the RB1 "by a wide margin" on a run first team (IMO Carson is a top 8 rb this year if healthy). Guice is expected to be rb1 eventually on a team lacking a current identity and any other proven offensive talent 

In another league I'm trying to buy but his owner has him valued way too high, so I'll sit. The reason I buy is because I am weaker at rb3 onward. so if I can land Guice in a package deal that helps out my depth I'm happy with that. I see Guice as a really good flex play/RB3 in dynasty. So I'm trying to buy him as such. 

 

[SCT]

I believe the narrative that AP isn't going to continue playing if he's not gonna have a big role.  There's a reason they extended him 2 more years.  There's a reason they drafted Bryce Love, and finally let's not forget that Guice isn't going to get the passing downs either with CT back healthy.  Big mess this year if you ask me.  I've seen multiple redraft rankings (in fact most) that show Murray over Guice so I'm surprised you guys are so surprised I pulled that trade.

 

[Elevencents]

I'm a buyer and a seller. I am trying to sell for Carson in one league and trying to buy in another. 

Guice is more talented than Carson but Carson is the RB1 "by a wide margin" on a run first team (IMO Carson is a top 8 rb this year if healthy). Guice is expected to be rb1 eventually on a team lacking a current identity and any other proven offensive talent 

In another league I'm trying to buy but his owner has him valued way too high, so I'll sit. The reason I buy is because I am weaker at rb3 onward. so if I can land Guice in a package deal that helps out my depth I'm happy with that. I see Guice as a really good flex play/RB3 in dynasty. So I'm trying to buy him as such. 

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying! I love Carson too. Shooting for him in the 5th to pair with Guice. 

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I believe the narrative that AP isn't going to continue playing if he's not gonna have a big role.  There's a reason they extended him 2 more years.  There's a reason they drafted Bryce Love, and finally let's not forget that Guice isn't going to get the passing downs either with CT back healthy.  Big mess this year if you ask me.  I've seen multiple redraft rankings (in fact most) that show Murray over Guice so I'm surprised you guys are so surprised I pulled that trade.

Most people responding thought it was a dynasty trade. Even in mid-August most of the posters here aren't talking redraft when talking trades. Most people aren't going to criticize a redraft trade at all as it's much more arbitrary--you need points and you need them now, so go be right about those players. There are no long-term roster ramifications. 

 

[jtd13]

I sold him and Watson for latavius and Aaron Rodgers. 

Is this a dynasty league, or redraft/ keep a couple guys. 

That trade makes some sense in Redraft, but it's pretty brutal in a full dynasty. 

ETA- Looks like it was a redraft based on later reply. Seems fine. Guice is someone I'm not buying in redraft. 

 

[Andrew74]

I believe the narrative that AP isn't going to continue playing if he's not gonna have a big role.  There's a reason they extended him 2 more years.  There's a reason they drafted Bryce Love, and finally let's not forget that Guice isn't going to get the passing downs either with CT back healthy.  Big mess this year if you ask me.  I've seen multiple redraft rankings (in fact most) that show Murray over Guice so I'm surprised you guys are so surprised I pulled that trade.

I thought it was dynasty, too.  Fine trade in redraft. 

 

[-jb-]

Regarding ADP narrative, the dude is nearly broke. Another trusted-the-wrong-people scenario. Candidly I think he will do whatever the team wants rn. That said, Guice is probably a year away from truly contributing. 

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Regarding ADP narrative, the dude is nearly broke. Another trusted-the-wrong-people scenario. Candidly I think he will do whatever the team wants rn. That said, Guice is probably a year away from truly contributing. 

ADP is interesting in that I, too, would assume this is the year he finally breaks down, but he's proven everyone so wrong that I won't believe it until I see it. He will likely be trotted out for his signature counter trey until he can't do it any more. 

I am actually concerned about a healthy Chris Thompson's role, and how that, too, will cut into opportunity. 

Guice has youth and has the tools, he just needs to prove it. But at this point you are banking on injury to others to give him that shot than Guice playing at a level that clearly outshines the others.

We'll see.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

  Murray is Ingram role but better at it.  

Murray is better than Ingram?

 

[SCT]

Murray is better than Ingram?

Best goal line rb for last five years. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Best goal line rb for last five years. 

That's not Ingram's entire role and Ingram is good there as well.

 

[matttyl]

Still not cleared to play?  Why not?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Derrius Guice (ACL, hamstring) has still not been cleared to play in games.

Guice injured his hamstring last month while rehabbing his torn ACL, and that's complicated things. The Redskins aren't sure when Guice will be cleared, but they probably want to see him suit up in a preseason game if he can get ready. In the meantime, Guice is practicing with the team. He'll be competing for snaps with Adrian Peterson this season, assuming his health improves.

SOURCE: John Keim on Twitter

Aug 13, 2019, 2:04 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Jay Gruden impressed with the running back unit and has high praise for Derrius Guice

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Still not cleared to play?  Why not?

Because preseason is pointless for a RB other than practicing pass protection, that's how they lost him a year ago, and he's the type of dude who will go 150% against scrubs and hurt himself for no reason. As a fan who watched Portis dislocate his shoulder chasing down an INT in preseason a decade ago, I'm good with it. He looks good in practice. 

 

[ffmail4me]

Because preseason is pointless for a RB other than practicing pass protection, that's how they lost him a year ago, and he's the type of dude who will go 150% against scrubs and hurt himself for no reason. As a fan who watched Portis dislocate his shoulder chasing down an INT in preseason a decade ago, I'm good with it. He looks good in practice. 

Exactly. He was hurt in a meaningless preseason game last year, they know what they have with Guice, they are being as cautious as possible. I think its smart on their part. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Exactly. He was hurt in a meaningless preseason game last year, they know what they have with Guice, they are being as cautious as possible. I think its smart on their part. 

They know what they have?

So far they have a paperweight. 

The reason he’s not been cleared is because he has a hamstring injury & reportedly it’s set back his rehab from his ACL. 

I don’t think this is about the team being cautious, I think it’s about Guice not being able to get healthy. 

 

[ConnSKINS26]

They know what they have?

So far they have a paperweight. 

The reason he’s not been cleared is because he has a hamstring injury & reportedly it’s set back his rehab from his ACL. 

I don’t think this is about the team being cautious, I think it’s about Guice not being able to get healthy. 

He's been practicing fully I believe. The hamstring thing is way old news, was when it was reported. They see him in practice every day, it makes sense if they don't want to risk him in preseason before they can see him in a real game for the first time.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's been practicing fully I believe. The hamstring thing is way old news, was when it was reported. They see him in practice every day, it makes sense if they don't want to risk him in preseason before they can see him in a real game for the first time.

Nope - I just read he hasn’t practiced in full because he hasn’t been cleared for contact. Practicing fully = playing football. 

So sure, he’s running around in his pajamas out there a little bit. Maybe doing individual drills. But that’s hardly seeing what he can do as a football player. He isn’t taking any hits, nor is he making cuts or working in 11 on 11 drills.

The hammy may well be old news, but it’s apparently still a problem. And he’s likely to be out of shape from the combo of his knee & having to put his knee rehab on hold because of his hammy. 

I’m avoiding him like the plague this year. Not like that Redskins offense is gonna light the world on fire anyway, and they have a certain HOF RB who’s reportedly in incredible shape ready to shoulder the load.

if I’m the redskins, imma keep Guice in bubble wrap in 2019 & build the team for 2020 letting AP pad his HOF resume on the way to a top 5 draft pick. 

But that’s just me. 

Regardless, Guice has not been practicing in full, from every account I’ve seen. 

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Nope - I just read he hasn’t practiced in full because he hasn’t been cleared for contact. Practicing fully = playing football. 

So sure, he’s running around in his pajamas out there a little bit. Maybe doing individual drills. But that’s hardly seeing what he can do as a football player. He isn’t taking any hits, nor is he making cuts or working in 11 on 11 drills.

The hammy may well be old news, but it’s apparently still a problem. And he’s likely to be out of shape from the combo of his knee & having to put his knee rehab on hold because of his hammy. 

I’m avoiding him like the plague this year. Not like that Redskins offense is gonna light the world on fire anyway, and they have a certain HOF RB who’s reportedly in incredible shape ready to shoulder the load.

if I’m the redskins, imma keep Guice in bubble wrap in 2019 & build the team for 2020 letting AP pad his HOF resume on the way to a top 5 draft pick. 

But that’s just me. 

Regardless, Guice has not been practicing in full, from every account I’ve seen. 

Not sure what you're talking about, this is the first tweet I found after searching "Guice" on twitter, from two days ago. Literally the first result:

https://twitter.com/InstantRHIplay/status/1160571282515271680?s=19

"Derrius Guice uses two cuts to get loose on his way to the end zone. Montae Nicholson was last defense tried to thud him, Guice stuff armed tf out of him. Nicholson took a tumble, stood up and clapped #HTTR"

And that stiff arm was retaliation for this:

https://twitter.com/P_ConnerJr/status/1158579118134452224?s=19

So he's practicing fully, cutting, in pads, with contact, in full 11-on-11 work. He's just not cleared for game day because they're being cautious. 

I'm not sure where you got most of the stuff you're saying. Especially this part: "So sure, he’s running around in his pajamas out there a little bit. Maybe doing individual drills. But that’s hardly seeing what he can do as a football player. He isn’t taking any hits, nor is he making cuts or working in 11 on 11 drills."

Not true at all and the confidence with which you posted it could mislead a lot of people here.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not sure what you're talking about, this is the first tweet I found after searching "Guice" on twitter, from two days ago. Literally the first result:

https://twitter.com/InstantRHIplay/status/1160571282515271680?s=19

"Derrius Guice uses two cuts to get loose on his way to the end zone. Montae Nicholson was last defense tried to thud him, Guice stuff armed tf out of him. Nicholson took a tumble, stood up and clapped #HTTR"

And that stiff arm was retaliation for this:

https://twitter.com/P_ConnerJr/status/1158579118134452224?s=19

So he's practicing fully, cutting, in pads, with contact, in full 11-on-11 work. He's just not cleared for game day because they're being cautious. 

I'm not sure where you got most of the stuff you're saying. Especially this part: "So sure, he’s running around in his pajamas out there a little bit. Maybe doing individual drills. But that’s hardly seeing what he can do as a football player. He isn’t taking any hits, nor is he making cuts or working in 11 on 11 drills."

Not true at all and the confidence with which you posted it could mislead a lot of people here.

How’s that possible when he hasn’t been cleared for contact? 

That report was from today. 

You must be using some different google, because this is the 1st link I got:

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/8/13/20804201/jay-gruden-redskins-presser-derrius-guice-hasnt-been-cleared-for-full-contact

that's dated August 13th.

and it’s right there in the link:

Jay Gruden Redskins Presser: Derrius Guice hasn’t been cleared for full contact

 

[PhantomJB]

Not sure what you're talking about, this is the first tweet I found after searching "Guice" on twitter, from two days ago. Literally the first result:

https://twitter.com/InstantRHIplay/status/1160571282515271680?s=19

"Derrius Guice uses two cuts to get loose on his way to the end zone. Montae Nicholson was last defense tried to thud him, Guice stuff armed tf out of him. Nicholson took a tumble, stood up and clapped #HTTR"

And that stiff arm was retaliation for this:

https://twitter.com/P_ConnerJr/status/1158579118134452224?s=19

So he's practicing fully, cutting, in pads, with contact, in full 11-on-11 work. He's just not cleared for game day because they're being cautious. 

I'm not sure where you got most of the stuff you're saying. Especially this part: "So sure, he’s running around in his pajamas out there a little bit. Maybe doing individual drills. But that’s hardly seeing what he can do as a football player. He isn’t taking any hits, nor is he making cuts or working in 11 on 11 drills."

Not true at all and the confidence with which you posted it could mislead a lot of people here.

Sorry. Your posts are even more misleading.

That video is not evidence of "practicing fully." Those guys are going half-speed in shorts.

4:37 of Gruden's presser, "...when the doctors say he can go full contact, he'll go...until then he'll be next to me."

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yNxavgQWPQKj