What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

I would stick with Kelly/Perine on early downs and hope Thompson comes back strong. I don't see any truly worthwhile FA signing out there.
I think they'll more likely go the trade route, but trades aren't easy to come by.

If we're just throwing out names, maybe the Pats would dangle Jeremy Hill after last night's solid performance.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I guess that’s true but it means they didn’t send him to the locker room for an x-Ray, further examination or treatment. But sure guys have walked on tears before but usually just to leave the field / they don’t stand around. Hopefully it’s nothing.
I stand corrected and edited my post.

 
oh man. so sorry to hear it. i only just came around on him and drafted him in a FBG last week.  but somehow that is my only share.  i wish him a speedy recovery.  

good thing he was seen smiling on the sidelines.  how many torn ACLs have we seen people walking around on now?




3
Happens more than you think.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/deshaun-watson-played-torn-acl-knee-texans-clemson-injury-college-south-carolina-nfl

https://deadspin.com/5944550/how-did-logan-mankins-play-an-entire-season-with-a-torn-acl

 
As I just mentioned in the 'skins Thread, I'd make as strong a pitch as I could to the Bengals to acquire Gio Bernard. If I'm correct, he has one year left on his contract, and likely walks, this would give him a bigger platform to showcase himself. Gruden knows him, and he knows the Gruden offense intimately. The Bengals drafted Mark Walton to plan for Gio's departure and Walton/Brian Hill could provide a decent COP from Mixon. Marvin Lewis has no idea how to use Mixon/Bernard as a tandem when both are healthy, and Bernard's talent is being wasted in Cinci...

I'd also shout out to the Lions about Abdullah.

 
Just doing the math here, will the Skins roster/carry 5 RBs?  They have Fat Rob and Perine.  They have Thompson and likely want to keep Bibs or Marshall to back him up as a pass catching back.  Anyone they bring in now will be #5. 

 
id take him before kerryon and freeman still. right where Michel goes, be a toss up for me.
Honestly, I'd take Kerryon before him.  I think they'll have similar value a year from now (Blout will be 32 and a free agent).  Guice can't do anything to improve his value out for a year.  The bonus is what you'll get from Johnson this year. 

 
Last year's Murray was a replacement level talent (which is why I'm nervous for Henry, how could he not unset him?). IMO some combination of Perine and a healthy Thompson can be as valuable as Murray. Aside from being a bit more unpredictable with Murray in the backfield, I don't see the upside to signing him but who knows what happens.

 
I hate preseason because it ruins a lot of great potential in players with all the injuries that happen. Oh well, I had Guice in one of my DRAFT lineups and my RB list in that draft is pretty weak to begin with. Now I am struggling to find RBs that may even play.

Not sure if this is the place to ask....but anyone recommend some very late round RBs I might still be able to pick up?

At this point all that's left on the list are peeps like Blount, Riddick, Ivory...etc. All backups. 

 
If I was the Washington I would wait and see who was cut. They don't need any old retreads like Murray or Peterson. Hill, Abdullah, Dixon, Gillisee, Dwayne Washington, the Chiefs, and Saints have like 7 backs rostered right now, Rawls. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
when the emails come out yesterday with "EXPERTS SAY IT IS NOT SERIOUS".. I'd like to know who these experts are.

 
If I was the Washington I would wait and see who was cut. They don't need any old retreads like Murray or Peterson. Hill, Abdullah, Dixon, Gillisee, Dwayne Washington, the Chiefs, and Saints have like 7 backs rostered right now, Rawls. 
I’m trying to offer them Ameer right now for a 5th in 2020

 
when the emails come out yesterday with "EXPERTS SAY IT IS NOT SERIOUS".. I'd like to know who these experts are.
The team doctors. They are just speculating until they do a MRI, they don't have x-ray vision. They do some tests on the knee and see.

 
I’m trying to offer them Ameer right now for a 5th in 2020
If I am any of those teams, I am offering guys up left and right asking for a 4th to 6th round pick. If I am the Skins I am waiting them all out, unless it is a guy under contract after this year.

 
No, I'm worked up over the lack of the word think.

There was no speculation implied.  EXPERTS SAY NOT SERIOUS.  Perhaps, experts believe not serious pending MRI results.
 Who cares? You are nit picking the hell out of this and the 18 hours it took to get the correct diagnose changed nothing. 

 
 Who cares? You are nit picking the hell out of this and the 18 hours it took to get the correct diagnose changed nothing. 
I asked a simple question.

I'd like to know who the experts are so I can from now on understand that they are indeed not experts.

 
Because experts never get anything wrong. Ever!
We aren't talking about magic football "experts" we are talking about people you indeed would expect expertise from.  As in not declaring an injury "not serious" before they know it isn't serious.

 
I completely forgot Gio signed an extension in 2016. He's under contract through 2020 with the Kitties.
Good idea,wrong ex-Bengal. Thompson fills a Gio role already. Ironically the guy they should price check on they faced last night. Hill makes more sense. This is why I don't understand why Hill signed the contract he did when he did.

 
We aren't talking about magic football "experts" we are talking about people you indeed would expect expertise from.  As in not declaring an injury "not serious" before they know it isn't serious.
So in the middle of a game the team doctor runs some tests on his knee and tells the coach or whoever. I think it is just sprain, we should get a MRI to confirm. He will probably be ready by week 2 of the regular season. Coach gets asked a couple hours later after the game how serious it is and he says the doctors said it was just a sprain we will have a precautionary MRI tomorrow. 

Please show me the point where they did anything wrong. Did they jeopardize his career and put him back in there? Did they send him out to practice today in full pads?

They made an initial diagnosis based on limited information and passed the info along and you are mad because they got it wrong at first, but corrected it after getting all the info. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
So in the middle of a game the team doctor runs some tests on his knee and tells the coach or whoever. I think it is just sprain, we should get a MRI to confirm. He will probably be ready by week 2 of the regular season. Coach gets asked a couple hours later after the game how serious it is and he says the doctors said it was just a sprain we will have a precautionary MRI tomorrow. 

Please show me the point where they did anything wrong. Did they jeopardize his career and put him back in there? Did they send him out to practice today in full pads?

They made an initial diagnosis based on limited information and passed the info along and you are mad because they got it wrong at first, but corrected it after getting all the info. 
I would not say they did anything wrong but I just listened to Dr. Chao on Sirius and he said he'd never personally been in a situation where he or a medical staff he worked with was not able to identify an ACL injury immediately with a physical exam. 100% accuracy with physical exam is what he is saying.  He added that for all we know the teams medical staff could have told them they thought it was an ACL and they decided to just put the MCL story out but that does not seem plausible.

So in summary they did not do anything wrong, but it's a giant red flag for the Redskins medical staff to miss the ACL diagnosis with immediate physical exam.

On that note last I knew the Redskins team doctor was Dr. Andrews. I have a hard time thinking he'd miss that diagnosis so I'm guessing he's not their medical doctor anymore or was not available yesterday.

 
Thinking of the answer to this leads me to want to say this might be the most overrated top half of first round dynasty draft in memory.
No kidding.  I have the 1.02 and I'm probably STILL taking Guice.  It helps I have the 1.01 and Kamara, but still.  There's just no one else I want there.

Also as a Skins fan, FML.  It's like football didn't come this year.  Watching him was the only thing I was looking forward to about this season.

 
Thinking of the answer to this leads me to want to say this might be the most overrated top half of first round dynasty draft in memory.
Everyone would have to be out of the league in like 3 years to make it worse than the Trent Richardson draft.

  1. Trent Richardson
  2. Doug Martin
  3. Justin Blackmon
  4. Michael Floyd
  5. Robert Griffin III
  6. Andrew Luck
  7. Kendal Wright
  8. David Wilson
  9. Isaiah Pead
  10. Coby Fleener
  11. Ronnie Hillman
 
Last edited by a moderator:
No kidding.  I have the 1.02 and I'm probably STILL taking Guice. 
That's what is crazy is on most of my teams I'd still take him at 2 as well. Like your team it helps that I'm generally deep at RB on those teams but when I sat and tried to think of who I'd take over him I drew a giant blank. If I felt like I needed a RB that would not be the case on those teams but as is I'd rather just wait a year on him.

Sorry for your loss as a Skins fan, horrible way to start the year. The replay of the game went down on NFL Network and just finished an hour ago. I was super jacked to get home and watch that game and don't even want to turn it on anymore.

 
Everyone would have to be out of the league in like 3 years to make it worse than the Trent Richardson draft.

  1. Trent Richardson
  2. Doug Martin
  3. Justin Blackmon
  4. Michael Floyd
  5. Robert Griffin III
  6. Andrew Luck
  7. Kendal Wright
  8. David Wilson
  9. Isaiah Pead
  10. Coby Fleener
  11. Ronnie Hillman
Key word is overrated. That was considered a weak class at the time.

 
Key word is overrated. That was considered a weak class at the time.
I remember the top 7 being thought as strong. Richardson, Martin, Blackmon, Floyd, Luck, RG3, and Wilson

I remember going into year 2

Richardson and Martin were 1st round dynasty picks

Luck and RG 3 were considered the top 5 dynasty qbs

Floyd and Blackmon were up there I forget where

Wilson was a mid 2nd round dynasty pick.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I feel bad for this kid. Fake news about his character during and after the draft and now this. Hope he comes out of this even stronger. I do not own him anywhere but still rooting for the youngblood. 

 
For a guy that italicizes words to prove some sort of point (of which you were wrong) you sure do have thin skin. 
no, I just think its hilarious and really telling when someone goes back hours or days just to say I told you so. the vast majority of anything any of us say is likely to be incorrect. but some people love popping into threads to say told you so. I'm not one of those guys. 

 
when the emails come out yesterday with "EXPERTS SAY IT IS NOT SERIOUS".. I'd like to know who these experts are.
honestly, the acl is extremely difficult to properly diagnose right on the sideline. anterior drawer and lachman test are not accurate because the hamstrings tend to bind up, making it seem like the acl is intact (hamstrings kind of do the same job as the acl to over simplify it). false negatives are terribly common. I dont know why they even do those tests anymore. chances are even if you do get a positive test, itll be negative immediately after as the hamstrings realize the mobility issue and contract to stabilize. 

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top