RB Devin Singletary, NYG (1 Viewer)

[socrates]

Dude is a stud. I love the projection at the end. That's right where I have him finishing as well. 

When this video was done in February (prior to the NFL draft), I think there was considerably more optimism that Singletary could emerge from the shadow of Frank Gore as a top 12 fantasy back.  With the draft-day addition of Zack Moss, and glowing camp reports about Moss, it is hard to maintain that degree of optimism.

 

[Milkman]

When this video was done in February (prior to the NFL draft), I think there was considerably more optimism that Singletary could emerge from the shadow of Frank Gore as a top 12 fantasy back.  With the draft-day addition of Zack Moss, and glowing camp reports about Moss, it is hard to maintain that degree of optimism.

Have you ever seen a good proven player get pushed of the field by a rookie if he continued to play well?

 

[King of the Jungle]

I think Singletary is a good back, but I also like Moss. What concerns about Singletary is I think Moss is a better goaline back (Allen already takes enough TDs) and from what I read Moss is good in pass pro (and can catch....so who takes 3rd downs?). This could end up being a FF point split even if it a 60/40 playing time split favoring Devin.

 

[Milkman]

The team said they drafted Moss for the Gore role. Once Singletary was up too speed and healthy the split looked like this. 

Singletary 144 carries 65%

Gore 79 carries 35%

These camp reports mean very little unless Singletary sees regression. 

If you prorate that out for an entire season Singletary is getting 288 carries. Even if you lower his yards per carry down to 4.5 ypc that's nearly 1300 yards rushing. Fade away boys. He'll be on all my teams. 

**edit** 

I forgot to mention the 36 targets he saw to 8 targets for gore those final 9 games. So 187 opportunities to Gore's 87. So add roughly 45 receptions to those rushing numbers too. 

You guys want to fade that in the 6th cause he might only have 4 TDs?

Or even crazier yet you want to draft Moss ahead of Singletary. Lololol ok. 

They rode Singletary to the playoffs. They aren't getting off that horse. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think Singletary is a good back, but I also like Moss. What concerns about Singletary is I think Moss is a better goaline back (Allen already takes enough TDs) and from what I read Moss is good in pass pro (and can catch....so who takes 3rd downs?). This could end up being a FF point split even if it a 60/40 playing time split favoring Devin.

Agree. Everything I’ve seen indicates this as well. 

i like Singletary, but when Gore was there it was clear they preferred the bigger back at the stripe/short yardage. Moss is a bowling ball. 

And as you mentioned, the QB is a vulture too. 

Singletary should do just enough to have weekly flex value but barring a Moss injury I’m not expecting a high ceiling. 

 

[GroveDiesel]

The danger on Singletary is that he absolutely did have a problem hanging onto the ball last year and has had a couple of fumbles in practices already as well. He also had some pretty big lapses in blitz pickups last year and reportedly has continued to struggle in camp this year as well.

As much as the Bills love Singletary, if those two things continue to be issues and Moss shows himself to be better than Singletary in those two areas, it legitimately could open the door for Moss to become the lead guy.

There we’re a couple of games last year where Yeldon fumbled and that was that for him in those games. That wasn’t going to happen last year with Singletary because he was by far their best option. This year, if those issues raise their ugly head again, I think he could absolutely find himself on the bench watching Moss play.

 

[Ostro]

Gore started playing like crap midway through the season, that's what really helped Singletary get more touches. Gore had trouble getting through the holes up the middle, and he played like absolute garbage in goal line situations. at least 40 of his 166 carries were goal line carries. With multiple 1st/2nd and goals, lined up inside the 5 yard line and he still couldn't punch it in. The Bills didn't give Singletary very many chances on the goal line. He's too small. He's compact, but just too damn small. The bills had more faith in Gore to get in the endzone(even though he couldn't) than have Singletary get pushed back a 5+ yards and make it 2nd/3rd/4th and goal at the 10+ yard line. What also helped with Singetary's stats are that defenses hardly stacked the box with 8+ guys. Clear evidence of 'Passing to setup the run'. <----- Major factor in his 5.1 ypc.

I'll admit, I drafted Singletary last year in my Dynasty League.

I also drafted Moss this year. Then proceeded to trade Singletary.

As good as Singletary has been, he's not a workhorse. He was in college, but he was in the CUSA, not a Power 5 conference. His level of competition was far less than what it is in the NFL.

Although he's played pretty well so far, I wouldn't expect him to do 200+ carries/50+ receptions.

He'd make a great backup, or a pretty good RBBC back.

The positives with Singletary are that he's elusive and difficult to tackle.

He won the CUSA Most Valuable Player award in 2017.

The negatives are:

-he's slow 4.66

-he's small(5'7) how many of these smaller guys last a while in the NFL? not many, and definitely not the slow ones. Just saying...

-has a fumbling issue. he didn't have that in college, but again, it was the CUSA.

-the bills aren't gonna play him in goal line situations

-he can't pass block

-he can't catch. (29rec - 41 tgt.) At least 5 of those were drops. most likely 7-9 were actually drops. compare that to Gores 13rec - 16 tgt. Gore didn't get more because he started to play like crap midway through the season.

Enter Moss.

He played in the PAC-12. He won the PAC 12 Offensive Player of the Year award in 2019.

-maybe not as elusive and difficult to tackle as Singletary, but pretty damn close. They're very similar, but I'd personally give Singletary the leg up on this one.

-he's a hitter, he'll knock you on your ### trying to get through you.

-he ran a 4.66 at the combine.  but tweaked his hamstring earlier that day. Then he went out and ran a 4.52 at a solo workout. If you watch game tape or highlights of both of these two, you can clearly see that Moss is faster. If you can't see that he's faster than Singletary, then you need to get your eyes checked. Seriously, it's that obvious.

-He's 5'9. still a little short, but not 5'7.

-I couldn't find anything about him fumbling in college. So I can't say whether he did or didn't.

-The bills are gonna put him in goal line situation.

According to all reports at training camp, He can both catch and pass block.

So it's looking to me like Moss is the better back here. He's looking like he'll be the goal line back and taking over 3rd down duties. I'd expect him to get more carries as the season goes on. 60/40 Singletary/Moss or 50/50 split to start the season. Leaning more towards Moss by around mid-season, and even more by the end of the season. I'm expecting 70/30 Moss/Singletary if not more at the end of the season.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Re: Moss

-I couldn't find anything about him fumbling in college. So I can't say whether he did or didn't.

Moss fumbled 6 times on 693 touches in college.
 

Devin wasn’t bad in college either though with just 5 in 778 touches.

 

[Ostro]

Moss fumbled 6 times on 693 touches in college.
 

Devin wasn’t bad in college either though with just 5 in 778 touches.

For some reason I thought Singletary had less than that. Oh well.

 

[Milkman]

Gore started playing like crap midway through the season, that's what really helped Singletary get more touches. Gore had trouble getting through the holes up the middle, and he played like absolute garbage in goal line situations. at least 40 of his 166 carries were goal line carries. With multiple 1st/2nd and goals, lined up inside the 5 yard line and he still couldn't punch it in. The Bills didn't give Singletary very many chances on the goal line. He's too small. He's compact, but just too damn small. The bills had more faith in Gore to get in the endzone(even though he couldn't) than have Singletary get pushed back a 5+ yards and make it 2nd/3rd/4th and goal at the 10+ yard line. What also helped with Singetary's stats are that defenses hardly stacked the box with 8+ guys. Clear evidence of 'Passing to setup the run'. <----- Major factor in his 5.1 ypc.

I'll admit, I drafted Singletary last year in my Dynasty League.

I also drafted Moss this year. Then proceeded to trade Singletary.

As good as Singletary has been, he's not a workhorse. He was in college, but he was in the CUSA, not a Power 5 conference. His level of competition was far less than what it is in the NFL.

Although he's played pretty well so far, I wouldn't expect him to do 200+ carries/50+ receptions.

He'd make a great backup, or a pretty good RBBC back.

The positives with Singletary are that he's elusive and difficult to tackle.

He won the CUSA Most Valuable Player award in 2017.

The negatives are:

-he's slow 4.66

-he's small(5'7) how many of these smaller guys last a while in the NFL? not many, and definitely not the slow ones. Just saying...

-has a fumbling issue. he didn't have that in college, but again, it was the CUSA.

-the bills aren't gonna play him in goal line situations

-he can't pass block

-he can't catch. (29rec - 41 tgt.) At least 5 of those were drops. most likely 7-9 were actually drops. compare that to Gores 13rec - 16 tgt. Gore didn't get more because he started to play like crap midway through the season.

Enter Moss.

He played in the PAC-12. He won the PAC 12 Offensive Player of the Year award in 2019.

-maybe not as elusive and difficult to tackle as Singletary, but pretty damn close. They're very similar, but I'd personally give Singletary the leg up on this one.

-he's a hitter, he'll knock you on your ### trying to get through you.

-he ran a 4.66 at the combine.  but tweaked his hamstring earlier that day. Then he went out and ran a 4.52 at a solo workout. If you watch game tape or highlights of both of these two, you can clearly see that Moss is faster. If you can't see that he's faster than Singletary, then you need to get your eyes checked. Seriously, it's that obvious.

-He's 5'9. still a little short, but not 5'7.

-I couldn't find anything about him fumbling in college. So I can't say whether he did or didn't.

-The bills are gonna put him in goal line situation.

According to all reports at training camp, He can both catch and pass block.

So it's looking to me like Moss is the better back here. He's looking like he'll be the goal line back and taking over 3rd down duties. I'd expect him to get more carries as the season goes on. 60/40 Singletary/Moss or 50/50 split to start the season. Leaning more towards Moss by around mid-season, and even more by the end of the season. I'm expecting 70/30 Moss/Singletary if not more at the end of the season.

I think you got it backwards but appreciate the write up and time you took to do it. We'll just go round and round about it so I'll exit stage right now. We'll all see soon enough how this works out. 

 

[rschroeder1]

Gore started playing like crap midway through the season, that's what really helped Singletary get more touches. Gore had trouble getting through the holes up the middle, and he played like absolute garbage in goal line situations. at least 40 of his 166 carries were goal line carries. With multiple 1st/2nd and goals, lined up inside the 5 yard line and he still couldn't punch it in. The Bills didn't give Singletary very many chances on the goal line. He's too small. He's compact, but just too damn small. The bills had more faith in Gore to get in the endzone(even though he couldn't) than have Singletary get pushed back a 5+ yards and make it 2nd/3rd/4th and goal at the 10+ yard line. What also helped with Singetary's stats are that defenses hardly stacked the box with 8+ guys. Clear evidence of 'Passing to setup the run'. <----- Major factor in his 5.1 ypc.

I'll admit, I drafted Singletary last year in my Dynasty League.

I also drafted Moss this year. Then proceeded to trade Singletary.

As good as Singletary has been, he's not a workhorse. He was in college, but he was in the CUSA, not a Power 5 conference. His level of competition was far less than what it is in the NFL.

Although he's played pretty well so far, I wouldn't expect him to do 200+ carries/50+ receptions.

He'd make a great backup, or a pretty good RBBC back.

The positives with Singletary are that he's elusive and difficult to tackle.

He won the CUSA Most Valuable Player award in 2017.

The negatives are:

-he's slow 4.66

-he's small(5'7) how many of these smaller guys last a while in the NFL? not many, and definitely not the slow ones. Just saying...

-has a fumbling issue. he didn't have that in college, but again, it was the CUSA.

-the bills aren't gonna play him in goal line situations

-he can't pass block

-he can't catch. (29rec - 41 tgt.) At least 5 of those were drops. most likely 7-9 were actually drops. compare that to Gores 13rec - 16 tgt. Gore didn't get more because he started to play like crap midway through the season.

Enter Moss.

He played in the PAC-12. He won the PAC 12 Offensive Player of the Year award in 2019.

-maybe not as elusive and difficult to tackle as Singletary, but pretty damn close. They're very similar, but I'd personally give Singletary the leg up on this one.

-he's a hitter, he'll knock you on your ### trying to get through you.

-he ran a 4.66 at the combine.  but tweaked his hamstring earlier that day. Then he went out and ran a 4.52 at a solo workout. If you watch game tape or highlights of both of these two, you can clearly see that Moss is faster. If you can't see that he's faster than Singletary, then you need to get your eyes checked. Seriously, it's that obvious.

-He's 5'9. still a little short, but not 5'7.

-I couldn't find anything about him fumbling in college. So I can't say whether he did or didn't.

-The bills are gonna put him in goal line situation.

According to all reports at training camp, He can both catch and pass block.

So it's looking to me like Moss is the better back here. He's looking like he'll be the goal line back and taking over 3rd down duties. I'd expect him to get more carries as the season goes on. 60/40 Singletary/Moss or 50/50 split to start the season. Leaning more towards Moss by around mid-season, and even more by the end of the season. I'm expecting 70/30 Moss/Singletary if not more at the end of the season.

I think some context is needed for some of these numbers.  Full disclosure, I own Singletary in a COVID-paused keeper league.

- While I'm not big on using Combine stats, Singletary pulled a hamstring running the 40 at his Pro Day, so it seems a tad unreasonable to credit Moss with an additional time but saddle Singletary with only one time.  That said, as we've seen time and again, speed in and of itself does not translate to NFL success.

- Rookies in the NFL are on a learning curve.  Yes, Singletary wasn't perfect.  Should we not expect a learning curve for Moss?

- I think at a certain point, gameplay outweighs stats.  Singletary was not the most efficient pass catcher last year - the stats bear that out, as you said.  However, in the Bills' most important game of the season, at the Texans in the wild card round, he was targeted 7 times with a 6/76 line, including running a downfield route on 3rd and 9 in overtime.  It strikes me as odd that the Bills coaching staff would have an ostensibly poor receiver so heavily involved in a playoff game, let alone the game's key moments.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The team said they drafted Moss for the Gore role. Once Singletary was up too speed and healthy the split looked like this. 

Singletary 144 carries 65%

Gore 79 carries 35%

These camp reports mean very little unless Singletary sees regression. 

If you prorate that out for an entire season Singletary is getting 288 carries. Even if you lower his yards per carry down to 4.5 ypc that's nearly 1300 yards rushing. Fade away boys. He'll be on all my teams. 

**edit** 

I forgot to mention the 36 targets he saw to 8 targets for gore those final 9 games. So 187 opportunities to Gore's 87. So add roughly 45 receptions to those rushing numbers too. 

You guys want to fade that in the 6th cause he might only have 4 TDs?

Or even crazier yet you want to draft Moss ahead of Singletary. Lololol ok. 

They rode Singletary to the playoffs. They aren't getting off that horse. 

If Gore got 35% at steady state, that should be the ceiling for a rookie coming in to replace that role....so put me down for Singletary getting 75% of the touches.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If Gore got 35% at steady state, that should be the ceiling for a rookie coming in to replace that role....so put me down for Singletary getting 75% of the touches.

I’m betting it’s closer to 60/40. Gore is 137 years old. 

The questions I have are 

1. who gets the receptions? (Lean singletary, unless his pass pro hasn’t improved) 

2. who gets the short yardage? (Lean Moss)

3. Who gets the 60% & who gets the 40%

Disclaimer: I have Singletary in dynasty so I’m hoping I’m wrong.’

 

[Milkman]

I’m betting it’s closer to 60/40. Gore is 137 years old. 

The questions I have are 

1. who gets the receptions? (Lean singletary, unless his pass pro hasn’t improved) 

2. who gets the short yardage? (Lean Moss)

3. Who gets the 60% & who gets the 40%

Disclaimer: I have Singletary in dynasty so I’m hoping I’m wrong.’

You are. Lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You are. Lol

Fingers crossed. Time will tell I guess. 

 

[Ostro]

I think some context is needed for some of these numbers.  Full disclosure, I own Singletary in a COVID-paused keeper league.

- While I'm not big on using Combine stats, Singletary pulled a hamstring running the 40 at his Pro Day, so it seems a tad unreasonable to credit Moss with an additional time but saddle Singletary with only one time.  That said, as we've seen time and again, speed in and of itself does not translate to NFL success.

- Rookies in the NFL are on a learning curve.  Yes, Singletary wasn't perfect.  Should we not expect a learning curve for Moss?

- I think at a certain point, gameplay outweighs stats.  Singletary was not the most efficient pass catcher last year - the stats bear that out, as you said.  However, in the Bills' most important game of the season, at the Texans in the wild card round, he was targeted 7 times with a 6/76 line, including running a downfield route on 3rd and 9 in overtime.  It strikes me as odd that the Bills coaching staff would have an ostensibly poor receiver so heavily involved in a playoff game, let alone the game's key moments.

I'm a Bills fan, and have been for years. I was born into it. My parents were born and raised in Buffalo. I was really young during the early/mid 90's Super Bowl run. I vaguely remember them. So yes, I'm watching every game. I'm not trying to hate on Singletary, or bash anyone on the team. But I'm also not gonna look at it through rose colored glasses. I'm gonna try to be as unbiased as possible. Also, keep in mind I'm in a very deep Dynasty keeper league. I don't play the one year leagues, not challenging enough. So I'm looking at this on a longer term basis. But in regular FF, I'd say Singletary would be better for the 1st half of the season, with Moss getting more carries and more points down the stretch when you'd really want them. Barring injury.

In regards to his speed, just put on some Singletary/Moss highlights. The speed difference is noticeable.

Learning curve- The Bills brought Singletary in slowly, the same way I'm expecting them to bring in Moss(although they'll give Moss a bit more playing time to start the season than they did with Singletary because they no longer have a veteran presence in the backfield.) I'm guessing 10+ carries/game to start the season, gradually increasing as the season rolls on. And more receiving targets also.

Below are his weekly rushing attempts, and his weekly receiving target/reception numbers. I didn't include his yards per attempt because I don't think that's relevant in regards to his usage/learning curve and showing how the Bills gradually eased him in over the course of the season behind Gore.

Week 1-     4 rushing attempts     6 targets - 5 receptions

2- 6 att     0 tgt - 0 rec

7- 7 att     0 tgt - 0 rec

8- 3 att     6 tgt - 4 rec

9- 20 att    4 tgt - 3 rec

10- 8 att    6 tgt  - 3 rec

11- 15 att    1 tgt - 1 rec

12- 21 att   2 tgt - 1 rec

13- 14 att    4 tgt - 3 rec

14-  17 att    8 tgt - 6 rec

15- 21 att    3 tgt - 2 rec

16- 15 att   1 tgt - 1 rec

Playoff game vs Texans

13 att   7 tgt - 6 rec

Singletary was injured and missed weeks 3-6. There were 2 things that helped Singletary get more touches as the season went on, Singletary learning the playbook better/getting more rushing opportunities, and Gore playing like crap.

In regards to Singletary's receiving usage in the playoff game, It's similar to the reason the Bills gave Gore more goal line carries. The Bills had more faith in Gore at the goal line. The Bills also have more faith in Singletary in the open field. He's a shifty little guy who can be a pain to take down in the open field. While gore lost a step or 3.

I'm sure Singletary will get better in year 2, but eventually Moss will take over. There's only so much he can do when he can't pass block and the Bills aren't using him in goal line situations. If Singletary was 5'11+ and was 20+ pounds heavier, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I’m not convinced that the Bills won’t use Singletary at the goal line. He was actually really really good at the goal line and short yardage situations in college because he has elite vision and is so shifty. His last year in college I think he was 2nd in the nation in touchdowns. Moss is definitely a great interior runner though and Allen is such a tremendous weapon in those situations that rushing TDs will likely be pretty unpredictable and spread around.

 

[Ostro]

I’m not convinced that the Bills won’t use Singletary at the goal line. He was actually really really good at the goal line and short yardage situations in college because he has elite vision and is so shifty. His last year in college I think he was 2nd in the nation in touchdowns. Moss is definitely a great interior runner though and Allen is such a tremendous weapon in those situations that rushing TDs will likely be pretty unpredictable and spread around.

I was gonna bring it up in my 1st post on this page, but I didn't. While Singletary was an excellent goal line back in college, he played in the CUSA which is a lower conference. The level of competition in that conference isn't that great.

The CUSA only had 10 players drafted in the 2020 draft, first one wasn't taken until the 3rd round. Alex Highsmith - Pittsburgh Steelers pick #102

Only 6 players taken in the 2019 draft. The first player that was taken was, yup, Devin Singletary. In the 3rd round pick #75.

2018 draft was 10 players. First player was Marcus Davenport by the Saints in the 1st round. 14th overall pick. The 2nd player was Will Hernandez in the 2nd round by the Giants at pick # 34. 3rd player was Tarvarius Moore by the 49ers in the 3rd round, pick #95.

In the past 3 years, only 2 players have been drafted in the first two rounds from that conference.

His goal line work was great in college, but it doesn't look like that'll work in the NFL. He's just too small. I wish they would have given him goal line work this past season. He probably would have been pushed around a couple times and not make it in the end zone, but I'm sure he would have more goal line TD's than all of Gore's TD's from last season(2).

 

[IvanKaramazov]

But in regular FF, I'd say Singletary would be better for the 1st half of the season, with Moss getting more carries and more points down the stretch when you'd really want them. Barring injury.

I agree 100%.  I love Singletary -- he's a fun guy to watch, and ideally he should have gotten more touches last year after it became clear that Gore was running on fumes.  As a fan of the team, I couldn't be happier to have a player of this caliber as part of a thunder/lightning-type duo.  We have a really good backfield right now.  It just seems pretty obvious to me that Moss is the kind of runner that McDermott prefers to lean on, especially in crunch time.  

Last year, it was almost as if the Bills deliberately restricted Singletary's early-season workload to save him for later in the season.  (He was injured for some of that time of course, but there also seemed to be an intentional decision on the part of the coaching staff to avoid having him hit the rookie wall).  If this season goes the way I'm expecting/hoping, they'll do the same with Moss.  Not a ton of work early, but getting the plurality of carries by week 12 or so. 

I don't own either player anywhere.  Just speaking as a homer.  

 

[Faust]

The Athletic's Joe Buscaglia said if RB Devin Singletary's fumbling issues continue into the regular season, rookie RB Zack Moss "could take over as the lead back."

Buscaglia added that Moss, the bigger of the two backs, is the superior option between the tackles and is "the likelier option for goal line touches." Buffalo coaches have emphasized that Singletary must improve with ball security and blitz pickup. Moss, meanwhile, has shined as a ball carrier and a pass catcher. The rookie is being drafted three rounds after Singletary. Moss is an ideal pick for Zero RB drafters. 

RELATED: 

Zack Moss

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Sep 3, 2020, 11:33 AM ET

 

[RushHour]

It would be easier to take these negative Singletary updates more seriously if they didn't all come from the same beat writer. He just rehashes the same things in different ways and it's clear he's on the Moss hype train. No doubt there's a committee here, but I question how much this is one writer pushing an agenda for clicks. 

 

[cloppbeast]

It would be easier to take these negative Singletary updates more seriously if they didn't all come from the same beat writer. He just rehashes the same things in different ways and it's clear he's on the Moss hype train. No doubt there's a committee here, but I question how much this is one writer pushing an agenda for clicks. 

I was wondering if it was just me noticing Roto constantly busting on Singletary, hadn't even noticed it was the same source every time. The only way to keep updated is by following the beat guys on Twitter, can't trust Roto.

I'm a big Moss guy too, but there's no sense in delusion. Singletary isn't going away unless it's on IR. 

 

[Steve Tasker]

It would be easier to take these negative Singletary updates more seriously if they didn't all come from the same beat writer. He just rehashes the same things in different ways and it's clear he's on the Moss hype train. No doubt there's a committee here, but I question how much this is one writer pushing an agenda for clicks. 

I have no idea whether the fumble problem is as big a deal as they're making it sound, but just for the record, Joe Buscaglia is generally regarded locally here as probably the top beat writer for the team.  There are some other pretty reputable writers, but Joe B is about as good as they come.  I would be surprised if there's a clickbait agenda here - that is very much not his style.

 

[Milkman]

I guess I was wrong. 50/50 with Moss right out the gate. 

 

[foxco]

I guess I was wrong. 50/50 with Moss right out the gate. 

And Allen vulturing, could be a long year.

 

[zamboni]

It’s only one game, but I didn’t think Moss looked any better. But at least Moss is getting the red zone looks.

 

[Endowed]

This was a match-up that was supposed to favor Moss. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I honestly did not expect to see this much Moss this early.  I would be worried if I were a Singletary owner.  (Which I'm not -- just speaking as a Bills homer).

 

[Joe Summer]

I honestly did not expect to see this much Moss this early.  I would be worried if I were a Singletary owner.  (Which I'm not -- just speaking as a Bills homer).

12 touches is right around where Moss was projected. It's just that Singletary didn't do much and Allen took 14 carries.

 

[Ostro]

Jests had the 2nd best run D last year. We should expect more points from both Singletary/Moss next week.

 

[The Frankman]

Devin Singletary rushed nine times for 30 yards in the Bills' Week 1 win over the Jets, adding five receptions for 23 additional yards. 

Singletary started over Zack Moss and out-touched him 14-12. He out-gained him 53-27 and out-snapped him 49-39. The problem for fantasy players is that Moss, as feared, monopolized goal-line work, handling the ball four times inside the five-yard line, including a four-yard touchdown reception. If that usage continues going forward — which seems likely following Singletary's summer fumbling woes — it cuts the legs out from underneath Singletary's RB2 candidacy. The Bills have another soft Week 2 matchup in the Dolphins, so we should see more 10-plus touch days from both backs. Singletary will be a low-floor FLEX for that one. 

- Rotoworld

 

[The Frankman]

Devin Singletary rushed 10 times for 56 yards, hauling in 2-of-3 targets for 20 yards in Buffalo's Week 2 win over the Dolphins.

Singletary wasn't called on often but did bowl over Miami's second level for 10-plus yards with one of his 10 carries on the afternoon. He also rotated in with teammate Zack Moss (8/37) inside the 10-yard line — an unexpected wrinkle following Singletary's red zone usage against the Jets in Week 1. The second-year runner has now out-touched Moss 26 to 20 through two games and remains a sly RB3 for fantasy players desperate for touches. He'll remain ranked as such next week against the Rams.

- Rotoworld

Just when you think he's free because Gore was released... he gets Moss'd.

 

[ahartig]

Well. Just traded away Cam Newton for him in my 12 team redraft. I’ve got Josh Allen as my starter so not a huge loss. The Bills have looked damn good these past two weeks, albeit against mediocre opponents. Devin still seems to be the lead back, he was all the rage last year. 

 

[Milkman]

Yeah the Bills are 2-0 so can't really argue with the way they're doing it. I guess they are better when they play Singletary less. 

 

[The Captain]

Before the draft I dealt my 2021 1st for Singletary in 3 separate leagues where I thought he’d be the missing piece. Thought I was smarter than everyone else.  I’m not smarter than everyone else. 

 

[Ostro]

As the weather gets colder, the RB's will get more usage. As I said earlier Moss will take over eventually.

 

[Milkman]

As the weather gets colder, the RB's will get more usage. As I said earlier Moss will take over eventually.

Yeah Moss isn't going to take over. They both are just going to kill each others upside. They're both crap now. Especially with Allen stealing all the GL TDs. 

 

[cloppbeast]

Yeah Moss isn't going to take over. They both are just going to kill each others upside. They're both crap now. Especially with Allen stealing all the GL TDs. 

Cheer up milkman. Commitees are pretty normal now. With all the injuries going around both Singletary and Moss can be useful. This offense will score points and not all the tds will keep going to the wrs. Better days ahead.

 

[Ostro]

Yeah Moss isn't going to take over. They both are just going to kill each others upside. They're both crap now. Especially with Allen stealing all the GL TDs. 

It looks like the Bills are gonna become more of a passing offense, and with Moss being a better pass blocker and catcher, I'm sure he'll end up getting more playing time as the year goes on. But Singletary definitely looks better than Moss right now. The Bills are playing their hot hand right now, and that's Allen.

 

[Milkman]

It looks like the Bills are gonna become more of a passing offense, and with Moss being a better pass blocker and catcher, I'm sure he'll end up getting more playing time as the year goes on. But Singletary definitely looks better than Moss right now. The Bills are playing their hot hand right now, and that's Allen.

Singletary is better but teams do dumb things all the time. So if they want to give this backfield to Moss it wouldn't be unprecedented. 

 

[humpback]

Yeah Moss isn't going to take over. They both are just going to kill each others upside. They're both crap now. Especially with Allen stealing all the GL TDs. 

If only there were signs....

 

[GroveDiesel]

It looks like the Bills are gonna become more of a passing offense, and with Moss being a better pass blocker and catcher, I'm sure he'll end up getting more playing time as the year goes on. But Singletary definitely looks better than Moss right now. The Bills are playing their hot hand right now, and that's Allen.

Great post, though Singletary has been clearly the better runner so far. Moss has shown terrible vision and just keeps running directly into piles of defenders.

But if biggest thing is the Bills really seem to have embraced modern football and are a legit passing offense. I think we’re going to see a lot of 4 WR sets for them and possibly situations where it’s their FB/TE Gilliam in there instead of either Singletary or Moss.

I do think teams may have to start playing way more nickel and dime against Buffalo and the running game could see an uptick at that point. And if Buffalo has games where they use as much RPO as they did in Week 1, I would hope Allen does a better job reading the defenders and gives the ball up to the RB more often.

 

[Milkman]

If only there were signs....

Pretty snarky but I'll address it.......

If you're talking about the camp news coming out this year I can't agree with you. Camp news can be very deceiving. 

 

[humpback]

Pretty sparky but I'll address it.......

If you're talking about the camp news coming out this year I can't agree with you. Camp news can be very deceiving. 

Sure it can be, but it can also be telling. In this case you chose to disregard it because you didn't want it to be true.

It was much more than just camp news by the way, but again, you dismissed it all simply because you wanted Singletary to be a fantasy stud. You're still doing it above with the "teams do dumb things all the time" comment.

Don't mean to single you out by the way, lot's of people do the same thing. Obviously it could all change (especially if there's an injury), but so far it's playing out pretty much the way it should have been expected to based on reading the tea leaves IMO.

 

[Milkman]

Sure it can be, but it can also be telling. In this case you chose to disregard it because you didn't want it to be true.

It was much more than just camp news by the way, but again, you dismissed it all simply because you wanted Singletary to be a fantasy stud. You're still doing it above with the "teams do dumb things all the time" comment.

Don't mean to single you out by the way, lot's of people do the same thing. Obviously it could all change (especially if there's an injury), but so far it's playing out pretty much the way it should have been expected to based on reading the tea leaves IMO.

Lol no I disregarded it because of Singletary's play second half of last year and watching Moss's college tape but thanks for knowing my process. Btw Moss looks like a JAG so far and Singletary looks better so I might be right in the end. Might want to hold off celebrating. 

Also camp news on rookies is always good. Lol always.

 

[JamboTaylor]

Buy low?

 

[Milkman]

Buy low?

Not sure man. If you go by Moss's camp news, well all the rookies camp news for that matter, you should probably go buy Moss. 

 

[zamboni]

It looks like the Bills are gonna become more of a passing offense, and with Moss being a better pass blocker and catcher, I'm sure he'll end up getting more playing time as the year goes on. But Singletary definitely looks better than Moss right now. The Bills are playing their hot hand right now, and that's Allen.

I agree with most of this, although I don't think Moss has looked that bad despite the poor YPC. Seems to be a decisive runner but just needs to get used to the speed of the NFL game.

I hope I'm wrong as a Singletary owner, but my concerns are the same above - that Moss is a good pass blocker and solid in the passing game. Unless the team has truly become a passing offense, which I'm not convinced of, it seems like Moss seems to fit better what they want to do on offense and Singletary will evolve into a very good change of pace guy.

 

[humpback]

Buy low?

Not sure man. If you think that he's going to reach 1750 total yards and is the #7 RB in dynasty, you should probably be trying to trade Jacobs, Sanders or Chubb for him.

 

[Milkman]

Not sure man. If you think that he's going to reach 1750 total yards and is the #7 RB in dynasty, you should probably be trying to trade Jacobs, Sanders or Chubb for him.

Probably right. Should def just go with camp fluff pieces. That's where the good info is. All the sharks use it.