nightmare
Footballguy
I think the shake up would be Drew Lock, then WR's, and then RB.
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RB Devin Singletary, NYG (3 Viewers)
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Yeah, the financial commitment to Singletary was legit and it was a real two year commitment on a 3 year deal. One has to assume that was all Dabol's wishes being granted and wanting Singletary so he's probably got a longer leash then people think, that would seem to be his guy.
If Tracy ends up hitting my most optimistic comp, which is David Johnson, then sure things can change but even David Johnson was buried as the RB3 his rookie year and only got his shot after Chris Johnson and Andre Ellington went down.
But on paper, and this is coming from someone who really likes Tracy's potential and would love to see him usurp Singletary, but for now he's a 5th round 25 year old WR convert, Singletary has as light a comp as about any starting RB in the league.
For fantasy purposes not the most robust ceiling going, but a really nice floor. I only got him one place and feel like TheWinz said up post, he's my projected RB4 on that team, but if I need to roll him out as my RB2 for a stretch I think he'll be solid. Last year in PPR leagues you needed to hit about 13 PPG to be a top 24 RB, after he got the main gig last year from week 9-17 he was about 13.5. All seems reasonable to expect actual low end RB2 performance in a literal sense.
MAC_32
Footballguy
You talking redraft or dyno? I'd be okay with him already on my team as a 4th RB, but would probably hate the rest of my redraft team if the 33rd RB is my 4th RB. I don't think there's much difference in his situation vs Vegas, Cincy, Chargers, and a few others aren't much better anyway. A long ways away from draft planning, but I could see targeting one of these types if my draft plays out a certain way, but I wouldn't call any of the guys in this tier plan A. More of a consider one that slips, but then upside becomes a priority to pair with him.
I am confused. Why would you not want a RB3 to be your RB4? In 12-team leagues, RB1's would be RB1 thru RB12, RB2's would be RB13 thru RB24, RB3's would be RB25 thru RB36.
Also, just a question - how many touches do you think Singletary will have?
MAC_32
Footballguy
If I'm drafting the 33rd RB as my 4th RB then my WR, QB, and TE are going to be weak. If that's the case then RB33 needs to have weekly upside akin to Kyren Williams or Achane from a year ago. That ain't Singletary.
I think the key to forecasting his touches is the Giants win / loss record. I'm not optimistic, but if they're winning games then I think they'll keep leaning on their veteran.
jm192
Footballguy
Feels like little to no upside. He’s almost at the point where I’d rather take a high upside handcuff.
The Giants are ugly on offense. Nabers will help, but I don’t see them turning into a good offense.
The O-Line was brutal last year, and I don’t have high hopes for this season. Barkley’s quite a bit better than Singletary IMO. Singletary was in a better situation last year, and wasn’t exactly inspiring.
The Giants will lose a lot of games. They’ll be playing from behind a lot. I don’t think he’s gonna see a ton of volume on the ground. He’s never had a huge pass catching season, and I don’t foresee that changing now. There won’t be enough TD opportunities to overcome the others.
He’s a boring/“ok” flex play because we know he’ll get touches. I just don’t think there will be a lot of boom weeks.
The Giants are ugly on offense. Nabers will help, but I don’t see them turning into a good offense.
The O-Line was brutal last year, and I don’t have high hopes for this season. Barkley’s quite a bit better than Singletary IMO. Singletary was in a better situation last year, and wasn’t exactly inspiring.
The Giants will lose a lot of games. They’ll be playing from behind a lot. I don’t think he’s gonna see a ton of volume on the ground. He’s never had a huge pass catching season, and I don’t foresee that changing now. There won’t be enough TD opportunities to overcome the others.
He’s a boring/“ok” flex play because we know he’ll get touches. I just don’t think there will be a lot of boom weeks.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Yeah, about that situation - it was a team that could stretch the field and utilized a blocking scheme that Singletary was a natural fit in (zone maybe?). Singletary is a decent back and had what, 4 ceiling games? Not sure if he can exceed that with the Giants.
I'm not trying to be least bit snarky, and I'm sure not alone when I say this, but I don't understand your logic here one bit.
On the first question I don't draw a distinction if it's dyno or redraft. If he's your RB4 you got a solid RB4, how he's acquired is another subject.
The second comment I quoted is just really baffling. Why would you other positions be weak because you used like a double digit round pick on RB4???? Why would a RB chosen in that range need to have top 5 weekly upside like Achane and Kyren had to be a good pick? I just don't get any of that.
Here I at least understand what you are saying and don't agree. His situation is different because those teams don't have a RB they made the financial starter RB commitment to like the Giants did Singletary. This places may offer more upside, but they are different.
Limited upside for sure and that's why he's going so low in drafts, in the mid 30's for Rb's.
He's lower to me in a best ball format as he won't have many spike weeks. I'm lower on him if I'm stocked with good RB's. I'm lower on him in the national type contest where upside is key. These kind of formats/situations I'd also rather have a high end hancuff who is an injury away from having big upside.
Saying all that in actual PPG performance you can draft him in the mid 30's for RB's and I believe you'll actually get a PPG performance in the RB20-24 range. Which is not big upside, something in the 13'ish PPG range.
Are you willing to venture a guess on the number of touches Singletary will have?
255
I just wanted someone to spit out a number, so thank you. The worst fantasy finish for a RB with 255+ touches was Sony Michel in 2019, when he finished RB31. He had 6 good weeks with double digit fantasy points. He is the only RB I could find that finished outside the top 30 with that many touches. Sure, we always want more, but seems like an average flex play to me.255
MAC_32
Footballguy
Every league is different, but the 33rd RB equates to about player #100, which is round 8 in a standard league; not double digits. If I'm picking my 4th RB then I only have 4 players between QB, WR, and TE. A low ceiling option like him on an already established dyno roster is very different than a paper thin one like this hypothetical redraft team is developing.
His contract is akin to the one Jamaal Williams signed last year, not much different than Tony Pollard, and less than Miles Sanders. Williams wasn't a starter, Pollard's likely viewed as a committee back, and the Panthers very quickly reduced Sanders' workload when things got off to a poor start. I don't think it'll be impactful when it comes to future decision making.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
No. I'm sure it's an unpopular opinion here, but I don't think rest of season projections carry much value. If you were to map out 17 game projections for the top 40 RB's right now you'd come up with about 30-35 (plus?) that net 250+ touches. You'll be lucky if half of them actually do that come season's end. Range of potential outcomes, forecasting, potential weekly impact - that's how I prepare and it's treated me well. Always gonna be misses, but those generally don't matter as long as you're right about the ones you actually pick.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
As a Purdue fan I'm really curious how Tracy does at the next level. He split time with walk on Devin Mockobee and had 60 less carries. I think Tracy was banged up mid season and missed the Ohio State game. The fact he couldn't really separate himself from Mockobee, who I doubt will be an NFL player, was a head scratcher.
IMOP if Singletary gets 255 touches he will outperform Michel's numbers from 2019. By how much? No idea,but I do think he would be better than RB31.I just wanted someone to spit out a number, so thank you. The worst fantasy finish for a RB with 255+ touches was Sony Michel in 2019, when he finished RB31. He had 6 good weeks with double digit fantasy points. He is the only RB I could find that finished outside the top 30 with that many touches. Sure, we always want more, but seems like an average flex play to me.255
Here are all the RB's that finished as RB1's (1-12) in any given week last year. I chose to leave week 18 off, because it doesn't matter for fantasy purposes, and many big name RB's take it off anyway. For RB’s with the same number of top 12 finishes, I put them in reverse order of number of games played. If they are still tied, I went with the RB with more RB2 (13-24) finishes. And if they are still tied after that, I went with the RB who finished the season higher. First number is RB1 finishes; second number is RB2 finishes.
Christian McCaffrey (13)(3)
Rachaad White (9)(3)
Kyren Williams (9)(1)
Derrick Henry (9)(1)
Breece Hall (8)(4)
Travis Etienne (8)(3)
Raheem Mostert (7)(6)
Bijan Robinson (7)(6)
Alvin Kamara (6)(5)
Joe Mixon (6)(5)
Isiah Pacheco (6)(4)
Jahmyr Gibbs (6)(3)
James Cook (6)(3)
D'Andre Swift (5)(4)
Saquon Barkley (5)(3)
Josh Jacobs (5)(3)
Tony Pollard (5)(3)
James Conner (5)(2)
De'Von Achane (5)(1)
Austin Ekeler (5)(1)
Jerome Ford (4)(8)
Ken Walker (4)(4)
Gus Edwards (4)(4)
Zack Moss (4)(2)
David Montgomery (3)(8)
Jaylen Warren (3)(5)
Najee Harris (3)(5)
Jonathan Taylor (3)(4)
Rhamondre Stevenson (3)(4)
Brian Robinson (3)(4)
Javonte Williams (3)(2)
Devin Singletary (3)(2)
Khalil Herbert (3)(0)
Chuba Hubbard (2)(5)
Alexander Mattison (2)(4)
Aaron Jones (2)(3)
Ezekiel Elliott (2)(3)
Jaleel McLaughlin (2)(0)
Tyler Allgeier (1)(4)
Jerick McKinnon (1)(3)
Kareem Hunt (1)(3)
Roschon Johnson (1)(3)
Tyjae Spears (1)(3)
Keaton Mitchell (1)(2)
Zamir White (1)(2)
Justice Hill (1)(2)
D’Onta Foreman (1)(1)
Ty Chandler (1)(1)
Clyde Edwards-Helaire (1)(1)
Miles Sanders (1)(1)
Joshua Kelley (1)(1)
Nick Chubb (1)(0)
Chase Brown (1)(0)
Chris Rodriguez (1)(0)
Christian McCaffrey (13)(3)
Rachaad White (9)(3)
Kyren Williams (9)(1)
Derrick Henry (9)(1)
Breece Hall (8)(4)
Travis Etienne (8)(3)
Raheem Mostert (7)(6)
Bijan Robinson (7)(6)
Alvin Kamara (6)(5)
Joe Mixon (6)(5)
Isiah Pacheco (6)(4)
Jahmyr Gibbs (6)(3)
James Cook (6)(3)
D'Andre Swift (5)(4)
Saquon Barkley (5)(3)
Josh Jacobs (5)(3)
Tony Pollard (5)(3)
James Conner (5)(2)
De'Von Achane (5)(1)
Austin Ekeler (5)(1)
Jerome Ford (4)(8)
Ken Walker (4)(4)
Gus Edwards (4)(4)
Zack Moss (4)(2)
David Montgomery (3)(8)
Jaylen Warren (3)(5)
Najee Harris (3)(5)
Jonathan Taylor (3)(4)
Rhamondre Stevenson (3)(4)
Brian Robinson (3)(4)
Javonte Williams (3)(2)
Devin Singletary (3)(2)
Khalil Herbert (3)(0)
Chuba Hubbard (2)(5)
Alexander Mattison (2)(4)
Aaron Jones (2)(3)
Ezekiel Elliott (2)(3)
Jaleel McLaughlin (2)(0)
Tyler Allgeier (1)(4)
Jerick McKinnon (1)(3)
Kareem Hunt (1)(3)
Roschon Johnson (1)(3)
Tyjae Spears (1)(3)
Keaton Mitchell (1)(2)
Zamir White (1)(2)
Justice Hill (1)(2)
D’Onta Foreman (1)(1)
Ty Chandler (1)(1)
Clyde Edwards-Helaire (1)(1)
Miles Sanders (1)(1)
Joshua Kelley (1)(1)
Nick Chubb (1)(0)
Chase Brown (1)(0)
Chris Rodriguez (1)(0)
jm192
Footballguy
Pretty sure I'll have zero shares of him.
FBG and Fantasypros both have him at RB31 in 0.5 PPR. Which isn't some bad ranking if you're trying to guess how guys actually finish. I fully believe Singletary can finish top 31 in points. But you're not drafting a RB in the 30's hoping to a guy that "can finish in the 30's." You're looking for a guy that can outperform that--or a guy that can give you big weeks situationally.
He's going ahead of guys like:
Jonathan Brooks
Javonte Williams
Spears
Gus
Zeke
I'd rather have all 5 of those guys. I think all 5 have higher upside.
Brooks could take over the backfield and dominate the touches, though the November ACL tear gives me some pause
Javonte will be in his 2nd year removed from the ACL tear, and should be better. And his in a Sean Payton offense.
Spears is more dynamic, and really sky rockets if Pollard gets hurt.
Gus should dominate the touches given the other RB's--and I'd rather have a piece of a Herbert offense than Daniel Jones's offense.
Zeke should get a lot of pass catching work and the goal line work for a very good offense with a very good OL.
I've got him at RB36, and he may go lower than that. He's a guy I wouldn't mind having in a pinch. But to start the season, I'm not sure I would rather have him over guys like Trey Benson or Charbonnet where their value catapaults with an injury.
FBG and Fantasypros both have him at RB31 in 0.5 PPR. Which isn't some bad ranking if you're trying to guess how guys actually finish. I fully believe Singletary can finish top 31 in points. But you're not drafting a RB in the 30's hoping to a guy that "can finish in the 30's." You're looking for a guy that can outperform that--or a guy that can give you big weeks situationally.
He's going ahead of guys like:
Jonathan Brooks
Javonte Williams
Spears
Gus
Zeke
I'd rather have all 5 of those guys. I think all 5 have higher upside.
Brooks could take over the backfield and dominate the touches, though the November ACL tear gives me some pause
Javonte will be in his 2nd year removed from the ACL tear, and should be better. And his in a Sean Payton offense.
Spears is more dynamic, and really sky rockets if Pollard gets hurt.
Gus should dominate the touches given the other RB's--and I'd rather have a piece of a Herbert offense than Daniel Jones's offense.
Zeke should get a lot of pass catching work and the goal line work for a very good offense with a very good OL.
I've got him at RB36, and he may go lower than that. He's a guy I wouldn't mind having in a pinch. But to start the season, I'm not sure I would rather have him over guys like Trey Benson or Charbonnet where their value catapaults with an injury.
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creepythinman
Footballguy
Daboll loves Motor. Inefficient workhorse > efficient split carry guy in PPR
Great news, except he isn't Saquon. I don't think he can take that kind of a beating for long.x.com
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jtd13
Footballguy
Maybe he does get the same workload as Saquon. But I remember the Mike Davis hype being pumped with similar logic. "Arthur Smith relied on a workhorse when he had Derrick Henry so he'll do that with Mike Davis, too!"Great news, except he isn't Saquon. I don't think he can take that kind of a beating for long.x.com
Poor guy lost his job to the unknown Tracy kid. Coaches ride the waves and last week's win, without Nabers and Singles hitter, will realize that old Devin is....old
Lost his job?
As a Tracy owner that would be great, but I think you're getting ahead of yourself.
Insein
Footballguy
Just have yesterday's limited report. Nothing yet for today.
Coaches know what they have in Tracy after he had his opportunity. Singles hitter has had 2 crap games and 2 mediocre games.
Insein
Footballguy
Limited today.
Queue up Tracy. I wish I had him
Hope you're right. Could swear they said Singletary trending in the right direction. Would love to plug Tracy in instead of Dowdle.
Insein
Footballguy
Singletary will play and this will end up being a Zeke/Pollard or similar to a Moss/Brown situation were fantasy owners and fans are going to love the juice and big plays the secondary RB shows when they get their chance but will be left by and large frustrated with their roles because the coaches are going to lean on the vet who does everything the right way.
Maybe if Singletary keeps fumbling a change will be afoot, as bad as I want it to happen, he's going to remain the #1RB and my hope for Tracy is to at minimum carve out a usable role I can use if I need a RB.
Maybe if Singletary keeps fumbling a change will be afoot, as bad as I want it to happen, he's going to remain the #1RB and my hope for Tracy is to at minimum carve out a usable role I can use if I need a RB.
16 for 95 and a TD is mediocre?
Fantasy score...average. Its 15 points if your league gives 6 pts for TDs. Not spectacular. Mediocre.
Chaka
Footballguy
Actually maybe he won't, sure hope not.
Hearing he's not doing much at practice and Daboll said "we'll see" on if he'll play.
The General
Footballguy
Take a load off this weekend, Devin. But tell us Sunday morning not like one hour before the game. Don't be a CMC.
zamboni
Footballguy
And (and, and) you put the load right on Tracy.
Insein
Footballguy
Nothing yet.
nittanylion
Footballguy
More, please.
I don't have an injury report but Duggan, who has been pretty spot on with this, tweeted out last night that he thinks Singletary is most likely to return and it will be a RBBC.
Anybody want to translate that to expected usage?
Insein
Footballguy
No idea but probably 50/50.
