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RB Devonta Freeman, BAL (1 Viewer)
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lod01
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Yep. Watched the whole game. Poor mans' Gio Bernard but their OL is not good at opening holes. Needs used like Gio which I would expect this staff will do.
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Resident A
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Alex P Keaton
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Totally agree. Freeman is the 3rd down back whenever Coleman is healthy.Freeman doesn't impress me at all as a runner. He looks like just a guy. I do like him as a receiver though.Seems clear as day that Coleman is the lead dog when healthy.
I don't own Freeman anywhere, but I do own one share of Coleman. I like Coleman.Resident A said:
Regardless, I've seen nothing to suggest that Freeman is not here to stay. When healthy, Coleman will get 60-70% of the carries and 1-2 random targets. Freeman will get the remaining 30-40% of the carries and 4-5 targets. From a PPR standpoint, I'd say this is about even. A lot will depend on who get the GL work.
lod01
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ImTheScientist
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I don't understand why Freeman is ranked so high this week by footballguys. I know he is the feature guy but in PPR he is like RB8. Dallas has been good against the run thus far, then again, they played the Giants and Eagles.
What are others thoughts on him? He is averaging 2.0YPC.
What are others thoughts on him? He is averaging 2.0YPC.
ImTheScientist
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Quez
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Due to his size there were a lot of people who thought Freeman would be a 3rd down back in the NFL. They must not of watched him in college. He can do it all!
He isn't the biggest, fastest, most explosive RB, but he is reliable & can do it all.
A bargain for a 4th round draft pick.
He isn't the biggest, fastest, most explosive RB, but he is reliable & can do it all.
A bargain for a 4th round draft pick.
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Sabertooth
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#1 back in my ppr league as of this morning.
Squintz82
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I'm happy that I started him too. But I think we can agree that being ranked #1 is a but skewed as of this point.
ImTheScientist
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1) This is the first time Freeman has been 100%.
2) Coleman can't do what Freeman did yesterday.
Its at best even-split if you are a Coleman owner. I believe this is Freeman's job now.
ImTheScientist
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If you didn't see the game watch this: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000540334/Devonta-Freeman-highlights
I will admit I didn't know much about the guy. I was shocked at his quickness, hands, and how physical he ran. He looked nothing like the guy the rotoworld, FBG's, and fantasy suggested he was. Tremblay here had him in his top 10 PPR this week. Kinda stuck out to me as strange so I took a long look at Freeman and started him this week. Thank you Tremblay.
I will admit I didn't know much about the guy. I was shocked at his quickness, hands, and how physical he ran. He looked nothing like the guy the rotoworld, FBG's, and fantasy suggested he was. Tremblay here had him in his top 10 PPR this week. Kinda stuck out to me as strange so I took a long look at Freeman and started him this week. Thank you Tremblay.
ourmanflint
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Yea a lot of backs would have looked good with those truck sized holes to run through. Everyone loves the backs that have room to run. When the line isn't opening any holes, it's the back that looks terrible right?
He had plenty of room to run all day and I have to think that Coleman would have taken at least one of those to the house.
I'm sure that everyone that picked him up for free off the waiver feels like they have a gem in their pocket right now. That's what everyone thought about Hyde after week 1 too wasn't it?
He had plenty of room to run all day and I have to think that Coleman would have taken at least one of those to the house.
I'm sure that everyone that picked him up for free off the waiver feels like they have a gem in their pocket right now. That's what everyone thought about Hyde after week 1 too wasn't it?
ImTheScientist
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You have to actually be on the field to take one to the house. I smell panic from Coleman owners today. Bottom line is Coleman got on the field in the preseason in the last game and got the job. He is now off the field again (seems he is injury prone) and Freeman posted one of the best RB games this year if not the best against a Dallas defense that was ranked #1 against the run. Not only did Freeman run the ball well but he actually catches the ball which is something Coleman doesn't do. Now Coleman owners are faced with the reality at best they have a RB that splits carries and doesn't get receptions which limits his value.
Im sure plenty of owners felt they had a gem in their pocket in Coleman this year. Right now they are faced with the reality that all they have is a cubic zirconia.
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ourmanflint
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What reality were we facing when Hyde rumbled for 168 and 2? Oh yea right. It was a fairy tale. Can Atlanta really run the ball this well? Maybe. Or maybe they just did a great job of scheming and running against the nickel. My guess is its a one week wonder but who knows?
lod01
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Now lets see if this convinced the coaching staff. He's got more shake and bake than Coleman does.
I don't think we have enough of a sample of either to know that for sure. With a full game as the guy, Freeman looked great. I also don't think Coleman has nearly the vision that Freeman has.
ImTheScientist
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You keep bringing up Hyde. I don't see it as relevant AT ALL. Freeman is going to be on the field in passing situations as he is the far better receiver when compared to Coleman. Freeman has now shown he can run the ball as well and at worst splits those touches with Coleman when back. Arguing Hyde is not an argument.
lod01
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There is always the chance he gets 'Gio'ed' or 'DeAngeloed'. That comes down to the ability of the coaching staff.
Carolina totally failed with Williams and Cincy is not too far behind. I think this staff is quite a bit smarted than those coaches. They have won games that Mike Smith would have definitely lost. Pretty sure they are 0-3 with Smith at the helm.
Hyde is irrelevant. He went against an ill-prepared D. All the teams now know K-Stink by name and will fill the box to stop Hyde.
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ourmanflint
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The relevance is the holes he ran thru. Whether it was the defense or the offense, the holes were seriously wide. Will Atlanta keep opening those holes no matter who the back is? That is the question. Freeman had all kinds of space and was untouched on 2 of his TD runs.
habsfan
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I'm not sympathetic to the old "the other guy could have done that too" argument. Freeman carried the mail - 30 carries, end zone, held onto the ball and made catches. What else could he have done? Pretty tough to try and hypothetically overlay Coleman on that situation and say he would have done more, less or about the same...
ImTheScientist
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I agree. It reminds me of the "if he didn't have that big run he would only have averaged ____" argument.
bagger
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he looked a lot bigger than I remember him in college. Seemed that he has bulked up some but still has the quickness.
habsfan
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Not exactly hard-hitting analysis but he looked like a vet out there. Really comfortable. He didn't get Ryan killed and didn't put the ball no the ground. They won't run like that every week but they're going to be dangerous if they can get some reasonable percentage of that every week.
Killtops
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I've been a Freeman dynasty owner since day 1, and I've never been overwhelmed with his talent. That said, I traded out of the 2.01 spot in the rookie draft this year because Coleman was on the board and I've drank the Kool-Aid on him not having the vision, patience, and tackle breaking ability to be a successful back in the NFL. So my take is coloured by this double bias. However...
The Freeman I saw on Sunday was a different player than the one that has sat on my bench for 18 games. He's running with swagger. He's always had the hands, the speed, and the agility. What I saw against Dallas was physicality and confidence. The holes were there, but he hit every one of them with speed and vision. If he keeps that up, I think the Falcons keep him as their 1A, and some high-end RB2 numbers are the spoils.
If you haven't yet, watch the highlights and tell me that this was just the o-line opening holes http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000540334/Devonta-Freeman-highlights
The Freeman I saw on Sunday was a different player than the one that has sat on my bench for 18 games. He's running with swagger. He's always had the hands, the speed, and the agility. What I saw against Dallas was physicality and confidence. The holes were there, but he hit every one of them with speed and vision. If he keeps that up, I think the Falcons keep him as their 1A, and some high-end RB2 numbers are the spoils.
If you haven't yet, watch the highlights and tell me that this was just the o-line opening holes http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000540334/Devonta-Freeman-highlights
fightingillini
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The holes were there because Freeman is very quick to the hole. That takes vision. Maybe Freeman doesn't have top line speed, but I don't think ATL is going to care. 4.7 YPC on 30 carries is going to get you some more playing time.
I forsee a 50/50 split in carries, with Freeman getting the 3rd down work. It will be interesting to see how they split the goalline work.
Going forward, Freeman should be a solid #2RB in PPR leagues, and a flex play in non PPR.
I forsee a 50/50 split in carries, with Freeman getting the 3rd down work. It will be interesting to see how they split the goalline work.
Going forward, Freeman should be a solid #2RB in PPR leagues, and a flex play in non PPR.
Shlon
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Most of that defense held Demarco Murray & Eagles running game in check. Freeman should probably be the starter but Coleman will get a fair share of the carries as well (40-50%) when he's healthy.
Ya this is going to be a tough situation for fantasy owners. I drafted both of them back to back in 2 leagues, in hopes that one would emerge as the clear starter either due to talent or injury (wasn't HOPING for an injury, but you get it). I thought I had a viable starter in Coleman for a bit there, and now I do in Freeman. I just hope its not a split and they let one guy be "the guy".... so many coaches (Carolina, Buffalo with Spiller, Cinci with Hill) don't let that happen and I know it's not about fantasy to them, but even from a football-wins point of view I think this hinders their success as a team.
Maybe they will get Coleman back VERY slowly. And even on games he could probably play, my not dress him, or may pull an Ivory with him.
No one is saying it's just the offensive line, but I watched the game, and those highlights more than once now, and the vast majority of that was the offensive line IMO. He had very few yards after contact there. Not saying he didn't have a good game, he did, but those holes were huge.
His ypc on the season is 3.5 (including last week). It was 3.7 last year. He certainly took advantage of Coleman being out, but I don't think the coaching staff is going to change their game plan based on one good game. Now, if he goes out there next week and does the same thing, that could be different.
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ImTheScientist
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They decided on Coleman because he made it back for the last preseason game and Freeman didn't. This situation is far from decided and very fluid. The fact that Coleman is out and Freeman played lights out clearly hurts Coleman. Suggesting anything less is not being realisitc.If I could pick one guy today to have on my fantasy team it would be Freeman.
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Alex P Keaton
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I watched the highlights just now. Other than the catch over the middle, I didn't see a single play where the bulk of his yardage was due to anything other than blocking. The Cowboys line was getting handled on all of those plays. On most, Freeman wasn't getting touched until 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.
ImTheScientist
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Killtops
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Watch the very first run in that sequence and tell me what happens at the end of it.
He gets a few yards after getting hit by the safety- how does that contradict what he said?
