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If you have a back where the holes are a mile wide....you have a good back.
He moved threw a lot of smaller holes than that, but much of the Cowboys starting 7 were hurt.If you have a back where the holes are a mile wide....you have a good back.
uuuh, he had nearly 200 all purpose yards and 3 TD's. I'm not sure any back in the league will exceed that performance on a regular basis.Sell him now. Best game of his career.
That's true too. I'm a Coleman and Freeman owner hoping one of them will be the man. Upcoming games look very good for him.Most of that defense held Demarco Murray & Eagles running game in check. Freeman should probably be the starter but Coleman will get a fair share of the carries as well (40-50%) when he's healthy.Matt Waldman said Freeman's a better fit for Shanahan's offense. Can't say he's wrong but that was a poor defense yesterday with so many Cowboys out.
I would take 50-60% of that on a weekly basis.Sell him now. Best game of his career.
Fixed that for you.ToughColeman crowd in here...
To get 35 touches and 195 yards and 3 tds in his first NFL start, and also his first game with 12 or more carries.He's hot garbage. He's slow. He's not explosive. He's small. I have no idea why he's even in the NFL. I'll take how he's performed the rest of his short career against this one game and say that is more indicative of his skill set.
Don't sugarcoat it man. Tell us what you think...He's hot garbage. He's slow. He's not explosive. He's small. I have no idea why he's even in the NFL. I'll take how he's performed the rest of his short career against this one game and say that is more indicative of his skill set.
Uhhhh.....he runs 20+ yards untouched, then gets 3-4 extra yards when the defender does a poor job wrapping him up.Watch the very first run in that sequence and tell me what happens at the end of it.I watched the highlights just now. Other than the catch over the middle, I didn't see a single play where the bulk of his yardage was due to anything other than blocking. The Cowboys line was getting handled on all of those plays. On most, Freeman wasn't getting touched until 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.I've been a Freeman dynasty owner since day 1, and I've never been overwhelmed with his talent. That said, I traded out of the 2.01 spot in the rookie draft this year because Coleman was on the board and I've drank the Kool-Aid on him not having the vision, patience, and tackle breaking ability to be a successful back in the NFL. So my take is coloured by this double bias. However...
The Freeman I saw on Sunday was a different player than the one that has sat on my bench for 18 games. He's running with swagger. He's always had the hands, the speed, and the agility. What I saw against Dallas was physicality and confidence. The holes were there, but he hit every one of them with speed and vision. If he keeps that up, I think the Falcons keep him as their 1A, and some high-end RB2 numbers are the spoils.
If you haven't yet, watch the highlights and tell me that this was just the o-line opening holes http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000540334/Devonta-Freeman-highlights
Crawl back into your post week 2 holeFixed that for you.Tough Coleman crowd in here...
That seems fairObjectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
CutWhat happened to Anotne Smith? Is he hurt or something?
That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder in fantasy. What I saw is a diminutive running back seek contact and shed a (larger) tackler with authority, picking up about 6 extra yards (initial contact is at the 43, he goes out at around the 38/37 yard line).Alex P Keaton said:Uhhhh.....he runs 20+ yards untouched, then gets 3-4 extra yards when the defender does a poor job wrapping him up.Watch the very first run in that sequence and tell me what happens at the end of it.I watched the highlights just now. Other than the catch over the middle, I didn't see a single play where the bulk of his yardage was due to anything other than blocking. The Cowboys line was getting handled on all of those plays. On most, Freeman wasn't getting touched until 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.I've been a Freeman dynasty owner since day 1, and I've never been overwhelmed with his talent. That said, I traded out of the 2.01 spot in the rookie draft this year because Coleman was on the board and I've drank the Kool-Aid on him not having the vision, patience, and tackle breaking ability to be a successful back in the NFL. So my take is coloured by this double bias. However...
The Freeman I saw on Sunday was a different player than the one that has sat on my bench for 18 games. He's running with swagger. He's always had the hands, the speed, and the agility. What I saw against Dallas was physicality and confidence. The holes were there, but he hit every one of them with speed and vision. If he keeps that up, I think the Falcons keep him as their 1A, and some high-end RB2 numbers are the spoils.
If you haven't yet, watch the highlights and tell me that this was just the o-line opening holes http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000540334/Devonta-Freeman-highlights
Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
17 of Colemans 27 runs vs OSU were for 1 yard or less in his big game vs them. That doesn't work in the NFL.
"There are two kinds of back who are successful in this league - runners who break tackles and runners who can create for themselves. He's not either one." -- NFC running back coach NFL Comparison Darren McFadden
I see it flew right over your head. I'll elaborate. You run 17 times for 1 yard or less out of 27 carries, you will find the bench in the NFL.humpback said:Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
17 of Colemans 27 runs vs OSU were for 1 yard or less in his big game vs them. That doesn't work in the NFL.
"There are two kinds of back who are successful in this league - runners who break tackles and runners who can create for themselves. He's not either one." -- NFC running back coach NFL Comparison Darren McFadden
The guy had a historic game against them, but I guess that "doesn't work in the NFL".
Good thing he wasn't playing in the NFL. He was playing for punk ### Indiana which had ZERO other than Coleman and he still laid 228 and 3 on them.I see it flew right over your head. I'll elaborate. You run 17 times for 1 yard or less out of 27 carries, you will find the bench in the NFL.humpback said:Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
17 of Colemans 27 runs vs OSU were for 1 yard or less in his big game vs them. That doesn't work in the NFL.
"There are two kinds of back who are successful in this league - runners who break tackles and runners who can create for themselves. He's not either one." -- NFC running back coach NFL Comparison Darren McFadden
The guy had a historic game against them, but I guess that "doesn't work in the NFL".
He ran thru giant holes untouched vs OSU. When touched, he went down like a baby. The Indiana QB even had a run of 55+ yards in that game.Good thing he wasn't playing in the NFL. He was playing for punk ### Indiana which had ZERO other than Coleman and he still laid 228 and 3 on them.I see it flew right over your head. I'll elaborate. You run 17 times for 1 yard or less out of 27 carries, you will find the bench in the NFL.humpback said:Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
17 of Colemans 27 runs vs OSU were for 1 yard or less in his big game vs them. That doesn't work in the NFL.
"There are two kinds of back who are successful in this league - runners who break tackles and runners who can create for themselves. He's not either one." -- NFC running back coach NFL Comparison Darren McFadden
The guy had a historic game against them, but I guess that "doesn't work in the NFL".
Freeman was the 3rd down receiving back, so what changes?There should be enough carries for both to be useful fantasy guys. We don't have that third RB ala Sproles or Woodhead to take snaps from freeman & Coleman. Both might get 15 touches per game.
Not from what I saw and he ran through some small creases last week avoiding and even breaking tackles.He ran thru giant holes untouched vs OSU. When touched, he went down like a baby. The Indiana QB even had a run of 55+ yards in that game.Good thing he wasn't playing in the NFL. He was playing for punk ### Indiana which had ZERO other than Coleman and he still laid 228 and 3 on them.I see it flew right over your head. I'll elaborate. You run 17 times for 1 yard or less out of 27 carries, you will find the bench in the NFL.humpback said:Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
17 of Colemans 27 runs vs OSU were for 1 yard or less in his big game vs them. That doesn't work in the NFL.
"There are two kinds of back who are successful in this league - runners who break tackles and runners who can create for themselves. He's not either one." -- NFC running back coach NFL Comparison Darren McFadden
The guy had a historic game against them, but I guess that "doesn't work in the NFL".
Calm down and give it little time to see if your guess is right..Going to need to see more from Freeman to believe in him. He's never going to be an every down back so even if you think he's turned a corner here, I think he always stays high variance RB2-RB3 and is difficult to start.
That was the book on him coming out of college, what he's shown so far in the NFL, and how he's being used. I don't know why you would think otherwise. Anything is possible if he exceeds expectations but that's wishful thinking.Calm down and give it little time to see if your guess is right..Going to need to see more from Freeman to believe in him. He's never going to be an every down back so even if you think he's turned a corner here, I think he always stays high variance RB2-RB3 and is difficult to start.
You couldn't have described it worse if you hadn't seen the game at all. Not sure what Diamont's scramble had to do Coleman.He ran thru giant holes untouched vs OSU. When touched, he went down like a baby. The Indiana QB even had a run of 55+ yards in that game.Good thing he wasn't playing in the NFL. He was playing for punk ### Indiana which had ZERO other than Coleman and he still laid 228 and 3 on them.I see it flew right over your head. I'll elaborate. You run 17 times for 1 yard or less out of 27 carries, you will find the bench in the NFL.humpback said:Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
17 of Colemans 27 runs vs OSU were for 1 yard or less in his big game vs them. That doesn't work in the NFL.
"There are two kinds of back who are successful in this league - runners who break tackles and runners who can create for themselves. He's not either one." -- NFC running back coach NFL Comparison Darren McFadden
The guy had a historic game against them, but I guess that "doesn't work in the NFL".
Yeah, your absurd post flew right over my head, that must be it. The guy was 6th in the Heisman voting playing on a garbage team, and in the particular game you're talking about he had more rushing yards than they had given up in 15+ years, and the longest TD run they'd given up in over 50 years. But go ahead, blame him instead of the offensive line for those short carries and try to make it sound like he stinks.I see it flew right over your head. I'll elaborate. You run 17 times for 1 yard or less out of 27 carries, you will find the bench in the NFL.humpback said:Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
17 of Colemans 27 runs vs OSU were for 1 yard or less in his big game vs them. That doesn't work in the NFL.
"There are two kinds of back who are successful in this league - runners who break tackles and runners who can create for themselves. He's not either one." -- NFC running back coach NFL Comparison Darren McFadden
The guy had a historic game against them, but I guess that "doesn't work in the NFL".
Except they didn't make him the starter right away and Freeman is above him on the depth chart as of today. Boom.Yeah, your absurd post flew right over my head, that must be it. The guy was 6th in the Heisman voting playing on a garbage team, and in the particular game you're talking about he had more rushing yards than they had given up in 15+ years, and the longest TD run they'd given up in over 50 years. But go ahead, blame him instead of the offensive line for those short carries and try to make it sound like he stinks.Atlanta obviously doesn't agree with you, since they drafted him and made him the starter right away.I see it flew right over your head. I'll elaborate. You run 17 times for 1 yard or less out of 27 carries, you will find the bench in the NFL.humpback said:The guy had a historic game against them, but I guess that "doesn't work in the NFL".Coleman has no power. He goes down on 1st contact. He needs those gaping holes to succeed. Freeman doesn't.17 of Colemans 27 runs vs OSU were for 1 yard or less in his big game vs them. That doesn't work in the NFL.That's funny because I thought Freeman would have housed 2 of the 10 yard carries Coleman had the week before.Objectively, I think Coleman probably houses one of those 15 yard runs but whatever. Freeman played great and IMO this is a 50-50 split. Good thing is there isn't a 3rd rb to take carries.
"There are two kinds of back who are successful in this league - runners who break tackles and runners who can create for themselves. He's not either one." -- NFC running back coach NFL Comparison Darren McFadden
Devonta Freeman - RB - Falcons
Devonta Freeman has leaped Tevin Coleman on the Falcons' "unofficial" depth chart.
Team-issued depth charts are rarely worth the bytes they're posted on, but the Falcons' social media team went to great pains to publicize Freeman's "promotion." That's not something they'd be doing if they thought it would anger the coaching staff. We've questioned Freeman's skill-set — it's still highly unclear if he's a viable between-the-tackles back — but last week's demolition of a previously stingy Dallas run defense speaks for itself. At the very least, Freeman has earned an extended audition. Even if Coleman (ribs) returns for Sunday's game against the Texans, Freeman will be on the RB2 map.
Related: Tevin Coleman
Source: atlantafalcons.com
Sep 29 - 5:25 PM
whats to LOL about? Devonta ran really well against Dallas and is the better pass catcher. and for the record I own both in a dynastyLol @ Atlanta
This is the same team that left Antone Smith on the bench so this ridiculousness isn't surprising.
He sucks B. I don't own either but Atlanta is terrible at playing their best players. So no surprise.whats to LOL about? Devonta ran really well against Dallas and is the better pass catcher. and for the record I own both in a dynastyLol @ Atlanta
This is the same team that left Antone Smith on the bench so this ridiculousness isn't surprising.
Not true.He sucks B. I don't own either but Atlanta is terrible at playing their best players. So no surprise.whats to LOL about? Devonta ran really well against Dallas and is the better pass catcher. and for the record I own both in a dynastyLol @ Atlanta
This is the same team that left Antone Smith on the bench so this ridiculousness isn't surprising.
Everytime 5 times Antone Smith touched the ball last year he went 50+ yards for a touchdown. So what did Atlanta do? They ran hot garbage like Freeman out there in front of Smith all year. It was a terrible decision.Not true.He sucks B. I don't own either but Atlanta is terrible at playing their best players. So no surprise.whats to LOL about? Devonta ran really well against Dallas and is the better pass catcher. and for the record I own both in a dynastyLol @ Atlanta
This is the same team that left Antone Smith on the bench so this ridiculousness isn't surprising.
How does last year hold any relevance to this year and the new coaching staff? Terrible argument if thats all you have.Everytime 5 times Antone Smith touched the ball last year he went 50+ yards for a touchdown. So what did Atlanta do? They ran hot garbage like Freeman out there in front of Smith all year. It was a terrible decision.Not true.He sucks B. I don't own either but Atlanta is terrible at playing their best players. So no surprise.whats to LOL about? Devonta ran really well against Dallas and is the better pass catcher. and for the record I own both in a dynastyLol @ Atlanta
This is the same team that left Antone Smith on the bench so this ridiculousness isn't surprising.
Well Antone Smith is a FA and they just ran hot garbage Freeman out there again didn't theyHow does last year hold any relevance to this year and the new coaching staff? Terrible argument if thats all you have.Everytime 5 times Antone Smith touched the ball last year he went 50+ yards for a touchdown. So what did Atlanta do? They ran hot garbage like Freeman out there in front of Smith all year. It was a terrible decision.Not true.He sucks B. I don't own either but Atlanta is terrible at playing their best players. So no surprise.whats to LOL about? Devonta ran really well against Dallas and is the better pass catcher. and for the record I own both in a dynastyLol @ Atlanta
This is the same team that left Antone Smith on the bench so this ridiculousness isn't surprising.
FBG has him as RB10 going forward this season in PPR.... Coleman is RB42.my eyes tell me coleman is the better back, but is it really possible for freeman to be a high end rb2 ROS? he'd have to dominate touches 2 to 1 vs. coleman to do that. he's my rb4 but i dont know what value to price him at in a trade.
Top 10 seems steep IMO. Even before the Coleman injury, FBGs consistently had Freeman ahead of Coleman. Seems like they've really gone all in now.FBG has him as RB10 going forward this season in PPR.... Coleman is RB42.my eyes tell me coleman is the better back, but is it really possible for freeman to be a high end rb2 ROS? he'd have to dominate touches 2 to 1 vs. coleman to do that. he's my rb4 but i dont know what value to price him at in a trade.
That's interesting. He was rb30 going forward in last week's to 200... Seems like an aggressive move up the rankings based on one gameFBG has him as RB10 going forward this season in PPR.... Coleman is RB42.my eyes tell me coleman is the better back, but is it really possible for freeman to be a high end rb2 ROS? he'd have to dominate touches 2 to 1 vs. coleman to do that. he's my rb4 but i dont know what value to price him at in a trade.