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RB Devonta Freeman, BAL (5 Viewers)

Zone blocking scheme has helped Freeman but he is also very talented. Coleman is also very good, maybe the best 1-2 punch in all of football. I'm just glad I'm starting him every week on my Daily Fantasy Leagues.
Easy there sparky.

/signed a Steeler fan.
I'll take Freeman-Coleman over Bell / insert your choice of Steeler RB here for the rest of the season.
blasphemy (real nfl not, fantasy as i am an owner of both in multiple leagues)

bell/dwill/choice of Steeler RB here for the rest of the season> freeman/coleman.

no doubt the ATL franchise would take that deal in a heartbeat, as would any other.

-biz-

 
Deamon said:
montana_grizzly_bears said:
Deamon said:
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. I mean a Freeman-not-Coleman owner.
thatguythere is down in the dumps, dont rub it in.
Damn it feels good to own both, because if Freeman goes down Coleman will do just as good behind that line club is even better.
I own both too... thinking about dropping coleman now.
That would be insane.
Why? Coleman's doing nothing. He's getting dropped in some money leagues I'm in too and no one went for him. Don't think its that insane with a 15 man roster to drop him... he only has value if Freeman goes down, no?
If Freeman gets hurt, Coleman is a top 10 RB, that's why.

Are you watching these games? The holes are gigantic, Coleman had a 10 ypc tonight too. The situation is phenomenal.
I don't see the major need of holding a "if a guy gets hurt then he's huge" player in short bench leagues.

What about Deangello Williams? He was dropped in almost every league, and if Bell gets hurt, he's also a top 10 RB. He's fine to keep, or drop, but I don't think dropping him is as exaggerated of a mistake as you're making it.
If you play in atypical leagues, you should mention that when you post. Coleman should be owned in the vast majority of leagues, and for good reason. Freeman is no Bell either.
not atypical... 15 roster spots. 7 bench spots currently employed by Rivers, Gates, Karlos Williams, Crowell, Morris, Matt Jones, Crabtree. Dont really see any ot those I'm dying to drop for a guy getting a few carries a game. Plus it's one of the few leagues I don't own Freeman in.

 
15 man rosters/7 man bench, and I wasn't chancing it. I guess if you have other RB's, yeah you can drop him but right now I don't have that luxury. I actually needed a qb (need to last 2 weeks until Ben is back and TTaylor isnt playing the next couple), so I traded away Gore for Mariota and Coleman. I couldn't be happier. Coleman will get his shot if Freeman goes down, and if the Falcons have a meaningless game week 17 I can start Coleman too. It's not gonna hurt me.

 
Zone blocking scheme has helped Freeman but he is also very talented. Coleman is also very good, maybe the best 1-2 punch in all of football. I'm just glad I'm starting him every week on my Daily Fantasy Leagues.
Easy there sparky.

/signed a Steeler fan.
I'll take Freeman-Coleman over Bell / insert your choice of Steeler RB here for the rest of the season.
blasphemy (real nfl not, fantasy as i am an owner of both in multiple leagues)bell/dwill/choice of Steeler RB here for the rest of the season> freeman/coleman.

no doubt the ATL franchise would take that deal in a heartbeat, as would any other.

-biz-
So add a third Steelers back?

Also who cares about real football the steelers line allowed Dwill to run wild the same guy everyone was saying was done when he was in Carolina.

Fantasy I will take Atl without question.

 
Zone blocking scheme has helped Freeman but he is also very talented. Coleman is also very good, maybe the best 1-2 punch in all of football. I'm just glad I'm starting him every week on my Daily Fantasy Leagues.
Easy there sparky.

/signed a Steeler fan.
I'll take Freeman-Coleman over Bell / insert your choice of Steeler RB here for the rest of the season.
blasphemy (real nfl not, fantasy as i am an owner of both in multiple leagues)bell/dwill/choice of Steeler RB here for the rest of the season> freeman/coleman.

no doubt the ATL franchise would take that deal in a heartbeat, as would any other.

-biz-
So add a third Steelers back?

Also who cares about real football the steelers line allowed Dwill to run wild the same guy everyone was saying was done when he was in Carolina.

Fantasy I will take Atl without question.
only to answer in real NFL terms...

i suppose i meant leveon & dwill/whoever you wish.

im not mad nor am i an NFL GM, but that seems like a win-win-win (to quote michael scott).

go steelers.

-biz-

 
Also who cares about real football
:hey:
football fans not from Pittsburgh?

ETA: Al O'Pecia: bizkliz blew that one, sorry bud. TDorBust hates real NFL, not you!!!! totally my bad (although my wife also does not care about real NFL).

to get back to the point...freeman is very awesome, but hes just not leveon. sorry to all.

-biz-

 
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Also who cares about real football
:hey:
football fans not from Pittsburgh?

ETA: Al O'Pecia: bizkliz blew that one, sorry bud. TDorBust hates real NFL, not you!!!! totally my bad (although my wife also does not care about real NFL).

to get back to the point...freeman is very awesome, but hes just not leveon. sorry to all.

-biz-
To clarify:

On a board about fantasy football

In a official thread about the fantasy value of a player

During a discussion of who is the best scoring option the rest of the season

Why do I care about real football?

I love the Packers and talking general football but that doesn't have a place in most threads on here.

If we want to take real football though Pittsburgh run blocking has been pretty damn good recently. I think you could see that with D-Will who was basically sold off as over the hill but was able to produce very well behind that Pittsburgh line.

 
15 man rosters/7 man bench, and I wasn't chancing it. I guess if you have other RB's, yeah you can drop him but right now I don't have that luxury. I actually needed a qb (need to last 2 weeks until Ben is back and TTaylor isnt playing the next couple), so I traded away Gore for Mariota and Coleman. I couldn't be happier. Coleman will get his shot if Freeman goes down, and if the Falcons have a meaningless game week 17 I can start Coleman too. It's not gonna hurt me.
Their game won't be meaningless week 17. Also, I'd say 95% or more of fantasy leagues don't even use week 17

 
Freeman is an absolute PPR stud.

His usage on the drive where he scored the second touchdown is exactly what you want to see from an elite PPR back in a losing gamescript.

Atlanta was down by two scores for most of the game and their running back scored 35 points in most PPR formats. Yes please.

 
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Deamon said:
montana_grizzly_bears said:
Deamon said:
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. I mean a Freeman-not-Coleman owner.
thatguythere is down in the dumps, dont rub it in.
Damn it feels good to own both, because if Freeman goes down Coleman will do just as good behind that line club is even better.
I own both too... thinking about dropping coleman now.
That would be insane.
Why? Coleman's doing nothing. He's getting dropped in some money leagues I'm in too and no one went for him. Don't think its that insane with a 15 man roster to drop him... he only has value if Freeman goes down, no?
If Freeman gets hurt, Coleman is a top 10 RB, that's why.Are you watching these games? The holes are gigantic, Coleman had a 10 ypc tonight too. The situation is phenomenal.
I don't see the major need of holding a "if a guy gets hurt then he's huge" player in short bench leagues. What about Deangello Williams? He was dropped in almost every league, and if Bell gets hurt, he's also a top 10 RB. He's fine to keep, or drop, but I don't think dropping him is as exaggerated of a mistake as you're making it.
If you play in atypical leagues, you should mention that when you post. Coleman should be owned in the vast majority of leagues, and for good reason. Freeman is no Bell either.
not atypical... 15 roster spots. 7 bench spots currently employed by Rivers, Gates, Karlos Williams, Crowell, Morris, Matt Jones, Crabtree. Dont really see any ot those I'm dying to drop for a guy getting a few carries a game. Plus it's one of the few leagues I don't own Freeman in.
iIf I'm a Freeman owner and I have the choice of Coleman or Crowell or Jones or Crabtree on my bench, it's Coleman for absolute sure.

 
The reason I was so high on Freeman as a rookie was because of his pass blocking. For being a smaller guy he blocks very well. He gets low & wide, and has really good leverage against bigger athletes.

I never predicted this success, but there is always room on a roster for a RB who can block.

But like I have said before he can do it all.

 
Milkman said:
I'd still trade him. It's pretty obvious he's not special just in a great situation and Coleman looked better again before he fumbled.
:lmao: What happened to the 'The guy is garbage' posts? Surprised you even showed up on this board. You can cut Coleman. I know you say you don't own him but you either own him or you are him.

 
Probably in last place if I had to guess
I own Freeman and LeVeon Bell and I'm in a tie for last place at 1-4 thanks to Seattle wanting a receiving TE and Caldwell herminating Calvin Johnson.

But man, I like this guy.
That's surprising. Freeman should have carried even a poor roster to 2 wins at least. Rest of the team must be very rough.
Nope. Highest ranked team (as far as projected points) going into every week. Just real bad luck. Like 5 D TDs scored against me in 3 weeks. AJ Green and Julio go nuts together against me in one week, etc.

 
Can't wait till the offseason when all the draftniks start saying Coleman will eventually take the job because he was drafted after and higher than Freeman. These are the same guys that trumpeted Ben Tate and knives davis as eventual studs

 
Zone blocking scheme has helped Freeman but he is also very talented. Coleman is also very good, maybe the best 1-2 punch in all of football. I'm just glad I'm starting him every week on my Daily Fantasy Leagues.
As some one that thought he was a good, but not great running back entering the league (and who didn't want much to do with him this year splitting carries at best with Coleman), I'll admit I was wrong about.

I'm still not sure he's an elite talent - and he's certainly getting some huge holes to run though - but he has surely shown great decisiveness and burst, and he's a pretty powerful runner for a "smaller" back. The fact that Coleman has looked nearly as good (and is way faster) may cause some concern for his long term outlook, but with what he's been doing there's no danger whatsoever of him losing his significant role in this offense and he's shown to be good enough to always have some role in it down the road.

 
I rejected freeman for dt last week. that's gonna sting all year. Not much i can do at this point
Man would have loved to receive that offer; been trying to move DT for a couple of weeks.
yeah dumb decision on my part. I just wanted to see how Coleman return would affect him and figured dt vs oak would be a great game and i can reevaluate. Turns out Coleman had no impact and dt sucked vs oak and now freeman is no longer on the board.
 
Milkman said:
I'd still trade him. It's pretty obvious he's not special just in a great situation and Coleman looked better again before he fumbled.
Dude, you just need to quit while you're behind. Way behind.

Please admit defeat here.

 
Deamon said:
montana_grizzly_bears said:
Deamon said:
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. I mean a Freeman-not-Coleman owner.
thatguythere is down in the dumps, dont rub it in.
Damn it feels good to own both, because if Freeman goes down Coleman will do just as good behind that line club is even better.
I own both too... thinking about dropping coleman now.
That would be insane.
Why? Coleman's doing nothing. He's getting dropped in some money leagues I'm in too and no one went for him. Don't think its that insane with a 15 man roster to drop him... he only has value if Freeman goes down, no?
If Freeman gets hurt, Coleman is a top 10 RB, that's why.

Are you watching these games? The holes are gigantic, Coleman had a 10 ypc tonight too. The situation is phenomenal.
ATL plays it different with Coleman - they are pulling guards and tackles to make the reads easier and he is still doing what he did at IU by running into the back of his O-Line. I'm a huge IU and Coleman fan and when he gets a crease he's gone quicker than Chevy Chase snow sledding in Christmas Vacation, but you gotta expect a lot (16-18) 2-3 yard runs and then 1 or 2 60+ yard TDs with him.

 
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Looking back to the offseason, we were so so very wrong about him. What is the lesson here? Don't sell anyone?
no one could predict the huge turnaround by the OL in a short time.

Remember when the OL was supposed to be horrible?

We're all just fishing here.

 
Deamon said:
montana_grizzly_bears said:
Deamon said:
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. I mean a Freeman-not-Coleman owner.
thatguythere is down in the dumps, dont rub it in.
Damn it feels good to own both, because if Freeman goes down Coleman will do just as good behind that line club is even better.
I own both too... thinking about dropping coleman now.
That would be insane.
Why? Coleman's doing nothing. He's getting dropped in some money leagues I'm in too and no one went for him. Don't think its that insane with a 15 man roster to drop him... he only has value if Freeman goes down, no?
If Freeman gets hurt, Coleman is a top 10 RB, that's why.

Are you watching these games? The holes are gigantic, Coleman had a 10 ypc tonight too. The situation is phenomenal.
ATL plays it different with Coleman - they are pulling guards and tackles to make the reads easier and he is still doing what he did at IU by running into the back of his O-Line. I'm a huge IU and Coleman fan and when he gets a crease he's gone quicker than Chevy Chase snow sledding in Christmas Vacation, but you gotta expect a lot of 16-18 2-3 yard runs and then 1-2 60+ yard TDs with him.
I tried to explain that once but people just focused on the 2 huge runs against OSU.

Weaknesses Treats every carry like a sprint. Must improve run tempo and patience on stretch plays. Has to learn when to keep run play-side and improve patience to allow back-side cutback lanes to develop. Less creative than most of the top-level backs in this draft. Could use more creativity once he gets to the second level.

Freeman has this ability to find holes that Coleman doesn't.... at least yet. He just runs fast to the line.

 
Deamon said:
montana_grizzly_bears said:
Deamon said:
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. I mean a Freeman-not-Coleman owner.
thatguythere is down in the dumps, dont rub it in.
Damn it feels good to own both, because if Freeman goes down Coleman will do just as good behind that line club is even better.
I own both too... thinking about dropping coleman now.
That would be insane.
Why? Coleman's doing nothing. He's getting dropped in some money leagues I'm in too and no one went for him. Don't think its that insane with a 15 man roster to drop him... he only has value if Freeman goes down, no?
If Freeman gets hurt, Coleman is a top 10 RB, that's why.

Are you watching these games? The holes are gigantic, Coleman had a 10 ypc tonight too. The situation is phenomenal.
ATL plays it different with Coleman - they are pulling guards and tackles to make the reads easier and he is still doing what he did at IU by running into the back of his O-Line. I'm a huge IU and Coleman fan and when he gets a crease he's gone quicker than Chevy Chase snow sledding in Christmas Vacation, but you gotta expect a lot of 16-18 2-3 yard runs and then 1-2 60+ yard TDs with him.
I tried to explain that once but people just focused on the 2 huge runs against OSU.

Weaknesses Treats every carry like a sprint. Must improve run tempo and patience on stretch plays. Has to learn when to keep run play-side and improve patience to allow back-side cutback lanes to develop. Less creative than most of the top-level backs in this draft. Could use more creativity once he gets to the second level.

Freeman has this ability to find holes that Coleman doesn't.... at least yet. He just runs fast to the line.
:goodposting:

 
Also who cares about real football
:hey:
football fans not from Pittsburgh?

ETA: Al O'Pecia: bizkliz blew that one, sorry bud. TDorBust hates real NFL, not you!!!! totally my bad (although my wife also does not care about real NFL).

to get back to the point...freeman is very awesome, but hes just not leveon. sorry to all.

-biz-
To clarify:

On a board about fantasy football

In a official thread about the fantasy value of a player

During a discussion of who is the best scoring option the rest of the season

Why do I care about real football?

I love the Packers and talking general football but that doesn't have a place in most threads on here.

If we want to take real football though Pittsburgh run blocking has been pretty damn good recently. I think you could see that with D-Will who was basically sold off as over the hill but was able to produce very well behind that Pittsburgh line.
The Shark Pool (NFL Talk)IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT THE SHARK POOL Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum.
 
Deamon said:
montana_grizzly_bears said:
Deamon said:
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. I mean a Freeman-not-Coleman owner.
thatguythere is down in the dumps, dont rub it in.
Damn it feels good to own both, because if Freeman goes down Coleman will do just as good behind that line club is even better.
I own both too... thinking about dropping coleman now.
That would be insane.
Why? Coleman's doing nothing. He's getting dropped in some money leagues I'm in too and no one went for him. Don't think its that insane with a 15 man roster to drop him... he only has value if Freeman goes down, no?
If Freeman gets hurt, Coleman is a top 10 RB, that's why.

Are you watching these games? The holes are gigantic, Coleman had a 10 ypc tonight too. The situation is phenomenal.
ATL plays it different with Coleman - they are pulling guards and tackles to make the reads easier and he is still doing what he did at IU by running into the back of his O-Line. I'm a huge IU and Coleman fan and when he gets a crease he's gone quicker than Chevy Chase snow sledding in Christmas Vacation, but you gotta expect a lot (16-18) 2-3 yard runs and then 1 or 2 60+ yard TDs with him.
So what if they play it different with him? As long as he puts up fantasy points, that's all that matters right? Coleman would be a #1 RB if Freeman went down.

 
So what if they play it different with him? As long as he puts up fantasy points, that's all that matters right? Coleman would be a #1 RB if Freeman went down.
Without a doubt and since I own Freeman, with my bad luck, it would be wise to own Coleman. Gio got the screw job by Cincy and he's more talented than Freeman. Fortunately the ATL coaching staff is more talented than Cincy's. A couple 2 yard gains by Gio on poor play calling sent him into RBBC with Mr. Fumble Jeremy Hill.

 
Deamon said:
montana_grizzly_bears said:
Deamon said:
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. I mean a Freeman-not-Coleman owner.
thatguythere is down in the dumps, dont rub it in.
Damn it feels good to own both, because if Freeman goes down Coleman will do just as good behind that line club is even better.
I own both too... thinking about dropping coleman now.
That would be insane.
Why? Coleman's doing nothing. He's getting dropped in some money leagues I'm in too and no one went for him. Don't think its that insane with a 15 man roster to drop him... he only has value if Freeman goes down, no?
If Freeman gets hurt, Coleman is a top 10 RB, that's why.

Are you watching these games? The holes are gigantic, Coleman had a 10 ypc tonight too. The situation is phenomenal.
ATL plays it different with Coleman - they are pulling guards and tackles to make the reads easier and he is still doing what he did at IU by running into the back of his O-Line. I'm a huge IU and Coleman fan and when he gets a crease he's gone quicker than Chevy Chase snow sledding in Christmas Vacation, but you gotta expect a lot (16-18) 2-3 yard runs and then 1 or 2 60+ yard TDs with him.
So what if they play it different with him? As long as he puts up fantasy points, that's all that matters right? Coleman would be a #1 RB if Freeman went down.
You could very well be right. That wasn't the argument I made. I'm saying at this time Freeman, while having arguably lesser physical talents, is a more complete back for what the Falcons want to do. That doesn't detract from Coleman being a high value handcuff.

 
Yes, the hole are there, but he's crushing them. Coleman may be faster, but I'm not seeing the same burst/explosion from him.

 
Yes, the hole are there, but he's crushing them. Coleman may be faster, but I'm not seeing the same burst/explosion from him.
Based on what though? He had 4 carries last night, 2 the week before. He showed at least as much burst/explosion as Freeman in the first two weeks.

 
Coleman looks really good to me. They both look really good, with Freeman looking better. I see great burst and speed from both players. Freeman seems to be finishing runs really well and making decisive and strong cuts with excellent lateral quickness. Coleman can really hit the home run but needs to be more patient.

As a Freeman owner in Dynasty I desperately want to own Coleman too. The holes really are huge and both backs will be successful in my opinion.

The passing game usage for Freeman is just amazing for his value.

 
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Yes, the hole are there, but he's crushing them. Coleman may be faster, but I'm not seeing the same burst/explosion from him.
He generally is going through the holes at a slower speed, probably lacking confidence but will get better. Took Freeman in the 2nd round in dynasty rookie draft and Coleman in the first this year. It's a 1.5 PPR league so the catches are nice.

 
I rejected freeman for dt last week. that's gonna sting all year. Not much i can do at this point
damn man that sucks.... also that trade you mentioned earlier for Freeman/Andre damn that didn't work out so good for the guy with AJ at all. Freeman has put up 8 tds in last 4 weeks. He is putting up Priest Holmes numbers.

 

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