Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think he gets a shot at it.
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RB Doug Martin, Free Agent (3 Viewers)
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
With Rainey's recent fumble issues I expect Martin to get the majority of the snaps against Pittsburgh. If Martin doesn't perform the split could be more even going forward.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Just traded Ahmad Bradshaw for Martin, thinking I'd rather have a feature guy than a time share guy. The biggest question for Martin: does he return to his rookie form or remain the runner we've seen the last few games (last season included)? I know a lot of people were encouraged by his performance in the pre-season, so I'm optimistic he'll do well.
Although they don't have best run blocking in Tampa, the Steelers at least don't defend the run particularly well. Definitely play Martin if you have him.
Although they don't have best run blocking in Tampa, the Steelers at least don't defend the run particularly well. Definitely play Martin if you have him.
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root of all aliai
Keep going back and forth between starting him and Asiata. Just put Martin in based on his comments about wanting to show what he can still do. Don't have a lot of confidence in the guy but how stupid would I feel not starting a motivated Doug Martin over Asiata who is only start worthy due to his role (which isn't much different than Martin's this week).
Silver & Black
Footballguy
I'm on the fence between Martin and F-Jax. I'm leaning to Jax. I just feel as though I want to see him play before plugging him into the lineup.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
For me, I can't see a situation where somebody who drafted Martin should fail to play him this week. Unless you have two of McCoy, Murray, Charles, or Bell in a stone age league without a flex, you've got to put in the muscle hamster. Great match up against Pittsburgh, and who doesn't expect 15-20 touches for him this week?
Just my
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I just traded M.Stafford and Chris Ivory away for both D.Martin and Rainey...hoping between one of those 2 i find a RB 2b as i have J.Charles and zac stacy as my 1 and 2cloppbeast said:
ratbast
Footballguy
At some point you have to forget the draft and play your best lineup. There are plenty of guys drafted after Martin that could and should be considered over him.For me, I can't see a situation where somebody who drafted Martin should fail to play him this week. Unless you have two of McCoy, Murray, Charles, or Bell in a stone age league without a flex, you've got to put in the muscle hamster. Great match up against Pittsburgh, and who doesn't expect 15-20 touches for him this week?
Just my
cloppbeast
Footballguy
The draft doesn't have much to do with it; I disagree with the bolded sentence. There's only 4-5 running backs I'd start over Martin this week.At some point you have to forget the draft and play your best lineup. There are plenty of guys drafted after Martin that could and should be considered over him.For me, I can't see a situation where somebody who drafted Martin should fail to play him this week. Unless you have two of McCoy, Murray, Charles, or Bell in a stone age league without a flex, you've got to put in the muscle hamster. Great match up against Pittsburgh, and who doesn't expect 15-20 touches for him this week?
Just my
Silver & Black
Footballguy
A lot has happened since the draft. Martin was getting tons of praise by the staff at being the number 1 guy, they signed Mankins and all was looking promising. Then game 1 comes and he runs for 9 yards on 9 carries and Rainey has looked good. There were whispers of him getting sat not just for the injury and possibly being healthy for the Thur night game...Suffice it to say, I would love to put him in with confidence as my number 2 back behind Lacy, but I just don't know what to expect. Yhea, the matchup is nice, but are we sure Martin is going to get most of the carries? Will Rainey spell him a bit as he gets his game conditioning back? And what if Martin starts slow and Rainey looks good?For me, I can't see a situation where somebody who drafted Martin should fail to play him this week. Unless you have two of McCoy, Murray, Charles, or Bell in a stone age league without a flex, you've got to put in the muscle hamster. Great match up against Pittsburgh, and who doesn't expect 15-20 touches for him this week?
Just my
See what I'm saying? I just feel I need to see what Tampa is going to do and how they handle him before I just plug him into my lineup. Hopefully, he looks good and is used a lot so I can feel comfortable using him next week and moving forward. Until then, I'm sticking with steady Freddy today.
The General
Footballguy
Starting him with zero confidence.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Rainey only had 12 yards on 4 carries in that same game...so he didnt light it up vs that Car defA lot has happened since the draft. Martin was getting tons of praise by the staff at being the number 1 guy, they signed Mankins and all was looking promising. Then game 1 comes and he runs for 9 yards on 9 carries and Rainey has looked good. There were whispers of him getting sat not just for the injury and possibly being healthy for the Thur night game...Suffice it to say, I would love to put him in with confidence as my number 2 back behind Lacy, but I just don't know what to expect. Yhea, the matchup is nice, but are we sure Martin is going to get most of the carries? Will Rainey spell him a bit as he gets his game conditioning back? And what if Martin starts slow and Rainey looks good?For me, I can't see a situation where somebody who drafted Martin should fail to play him this week. Unless you have two of McCoy, Murray, Charles, or Bell in a stone age league without a flex, you've got to put in the muscle hamster. Great match up against Pittsburgh, and who doesn't expect 15-20 touches for him this week?
Just my
See what I'm saying? I just feel I need to see what Tampa is going to do and how they handle him before I just plug him into my lineup. Hopefully, he looks good and is used a lot so I can feel comfortable using him next week and moving forward. Until then, I'm sticking with steady Freddy today.
thats pretty crazy. mccoy, forte, bell, murry, foster, lacy, charles, lamar, donald, jennings, morris, spiller, fjax, bradshaw are no brainers. id add ivory, deangelo, khiry, pierre, asiata, reggie.The draft doesn't have much to do with it; I disagree with the bolded sentence. There's only 4-5 running backs I'd start over Martin this week.At some point you have to forget the draft and play your best lineup. There are plenty of guys drafted after Martin that could and should be considered over him.For me, I can't see a situation where somebody who drafted Martin should fail to play him this week. Unless you have two of McCoy, Murray, Charles, or Bell in a stone age league without a flex, you've got to put in the muscle hamster. Great match up against Pittsburgh, and who doesn't expect 15-20 touches for him this week?
Just my
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
You didnt list Rainey???? I thought hes the starter and Doug was being traded?cvnpoka said:thats pretty crazy. mccoy, forte, bell, murry, foster, lacy, charles, lamar, donald, jennings, morris, spiller, fjax, bradshaw are no brainers. id add ivory, deangelo, khiry, pierre, asiata, reggie.cloppbeast said:The draft doesn't have much to do with it; I disagree with the bolded sentence. There's only 4-5 running backs I'd start over Martin this week.ratbast said:At some point you have to forget the draft and play your best lineup. There are plenty of guys drafted after Martin that could and should be considered over him.cloppbeast said:Silver & Black said:For me, I can't see a situation where somebody who drafted Martin should fail to play him this week. Unless you have two of McCoy, Murray, Charles, or Bell in a stone age league without a flex, you've got to put in the muscle hamster. Great match up against Pittsburgh, and who doesn't expect 15-20 touches for him this week?Andrew74 said:
Just my
cloppbeast
Footballguy
looking at your list, I change my answer to 8: mccoy, forte, bell, foster, charles, morris, jennings, and maybe donald brown.cvnpoka said:thats pretty crazy. mccoy, forte, bell, murry, foster, lacy, charles, lamar, donald, jennings, morris, spiller, fjax, bradshaw are no brainers. id add ivory, deangelo, khiry, pierre, asiata, reggie.cloppbeast said:The draft doesn't have much to do with it; I disagree with the bolded sentence. There's only 4-5 running backs I'd start over Martin this week.ratbast said:At some point you have to forget the draft and play your best lineup. There are plenty of guys drafted after Martin that could and should be considered over him.cloppbeast said:Silver & Black said:For me, I can't see a situation where somebody who drafted Martin should fail to play him this week. Unless you have two of McCoy, Murray, Charles, or Bell in a stone age league without a flex, you've got to put in the muscle hamster. Great match up against Pittsburgh, and who doesn't expect 15-20 touches for him this week?Andrew74 said:
Just my
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Rainey's YPC in just his starts is in the ~3.7 range if I recall.cstu said:
And that's not even accounting for the fact that the Bucs as a whole were much better in the 2nd half of last year when things came together around the midway point (prior to which Rainey and James were struggling as well, but after which they both played much better behind a much improved line).
ETA: The bottom line is that, in 9 starts Rainey has had 2 really good games and 7 really bad ones. He's only rushed for 4ypc or better in 2 out of 9 starts.
ETA2: By comparison Doug Martin has eclipsed 4ypc in 6 of his last 9 starts.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
As a Martin owner, I am not pulling the trigger today.
1. I want to see him get the bulk of the RB touches first.
2. I want to see him stay healthy for a full game.
I don't want to start him and see him get limited touches or leave in the first quarter after getting dinged up again.
So yeah, he'll probably go for 100 and two scores now.
1. I want to see him get the bulk of the RB touches first.
2. I want to see him stay healthy for a full game.
I don't want to start him and see him get limited touches or leave in the first quarter after getting dinged up again.
So yeah, he'll probably go for 100 and two scores now.
The General
Footballguy
Was hoping for 50 yards. Lowering expectations.dickey moe said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The good: Martin is getting most of the RB touches so far.
The bad: The Bucs offense looks like a dumpster fire.
The bad: The Bucs offense looks like a dumpster fire.
Well, it's not PPR, PIT isn't really good against the run and CB Jimmy Smith was said to be one-on-one with Benjamin. Was going back and forth with it andwent with Martin.
its not the 2 minute drill. theres still plenty of time to run the normal offense.
and now they have rainey throwing a halfback pass lol.
Qtip Callahan
Footballguy
The offensive coaching in Tampa is a mess today. Pathetic. All the delay of games, obviously with the new coaches they are still figuring out a few things.
It's Tampa. They will throw it because they're behind and they will not pretend to do otherwise.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Tedford wasn't calling plays today, the quarterbacks coach took over the responsibilities. I thought he slung it a little too much, but of course they still put up a bunch of points and won the game, so I really have no room to talk. Still, when Tedford returns, I would think they run it a little bit more.
I definitely wasn't impressed with Martin in this game, but he also surprisingly didn't have much running room either. Fortunately it seemed like he got the majority of the work over Rainey except in the hurry up offense.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Martin is the lead back. Rainey is the change of pace, two minute, and four minute back.
Tedford hasn't called plays all year, and he won't be back this season. It's hard to argue against the play calling when they weren't able to have success running the ball. The situation stinks right now, and I'm not seeing much reason for optimism that it's going to improve.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That's a little concerning that Martin is not the hurry up RB, but when healthy, he is obviously gonna be the workhorse, so that is definitely good. Hopefully, TB's late offensive surge and Glennon playing better than McCown was will open things up and make TB's offense look less awful.
thatguythere
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Approaching droppable status in 12 teamers and smaller. Pretty much useless even with majority of carries.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Martin had been getting a lot of work that drive, I think he actually came out for a blow the play before the TD and the Bucs ended up running a tempo snap.
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IheartGuinness
Footballguy
mikel0254
Footballguy
I'm interested in how he looked yesterday, from someone who watched the game.
Early on he had 11 yards on 8 carries or something along those lines, but in the game thread someone posted he actually looked pretty good (making something out of nothing). He ended with his best total yard output of the year even with a long catch and run called back, but didn't get that TD. I did see on the next drive he was in once they got into the red zone. On the drive that Rainey got the TD, was he pulled when they got close, or was he taking a breather?
I've seen people talk about dropping him which I think is nuts. With the dearth of startable RBs in the league, I'm actually very encouraged by the last two weeks. Should I be? Rainey may have gotten that TD, but was out-touched almost 2 to 1 and didn't look any better running the ball (at least according to YPC). TB seems to be getting better and I know he was in once they got into the red zone on at least one occasion. Seems to me the arrow is pointing up on this guy, not down.
Am I off base?
Early on he had 11 yards on 8 carries or something along those lines, but in the game thread someone posted he actually looked pretty good (making something out of nothing). He ended with his best total yard output of the year even with a long catch and run called back, but didn't get that TD. I did see on the next drive he was in once they got into the red zone. On the drive that Rainey got the TD, was he pulled when they got close, or was he taking a breather?
I've seen people talk about dropping him which I think is nuts. With the dearth of startable RBs in the league, I'm actually very encouraged by the last two weeks. Should I be? Rainey may have gotten that TD, but was out-touched almost 2 to 1 and didn't look any better running the ball (at least according to YPC). TB seems to be getting better and I know he was in once they got into the red zone on at least one occasion. Seems to me the arrow is pointing up on this guy, not down.
Am I off base?
Banger
Footballguy
I don't own Martin in any league and have loaded up on Rainey where ever I can. I think it's a matter of time either until he gets injured again, fumbles, misses a block, continues to be ineffective. Rainey has his warts too but is so much more electric when he has the balls in his hands...the problem with were the fumbles. I think Rainey is a must own because I think it's a cheap upside play.
