Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
It's pretty comical that you are peeved that your question isn't being answered, given that you refused to honestly answer a question I directly asked you.
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RB Ezekiel Elliott, DAL (1 Viewer)
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The General
Footballguy
Would be accused of something you say you didn’t do and weren’t charged for bother you?
That is what he is saying happened.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
So people are really still convicting an innocent man of a crime while pretending to be on the moral high ground?
I have no problem defending a guy who didnt commit a crime from the terrible slander of such lies like that he would beat a woman. Some people seem to be ok sending a man to be punished based of rumors that can not be substantiated and that people much more qualified than them at such investigations say that you accusing him of such crimes is wrong.
Its not hard to defend people of bad crimes if they didnt do it, you dont automatically have to believe the woman because you think you have to morally. We have a tendency now to just believe things without proof.
YES, Zeke is the victim here. No one else, not the lying woman and not Goodell, Zeke. The guy who was harassed by a woman and now being tortured with her lies. No charges and no crime, saying so just exposes your bias, the facts are on my side. Also, yes, I am biased to defend men wrongfully slandered by haters in the public. I will go to the dramatic extreme to defend him because he is on my fantasy team just the way those who dislike him will go to their dramatic extremes, like wrongfully saying he committed a crime.
I have no problem defending a guy who didnt commit a crime from the terrible slander of such lies like that he would beat a woman. Some people seem to be ok sending a man to be punished based of rumors that can not be substantiated and that people much more qualified than them at such investigations say that you accusing him of such crimes is wrong.
Its not hard to defend people of bad crimes if they didnt do it, you dont automatically have to believe the woman because you think you have to morally. We have a tendency now to just believe things without proof.
YES, Zeke is the victim here. No one else, not the lying woman and not Goodell, Zeke. The guy who was harassed by a woman and now being tortured with her lies. No charges and no crime, saying so just exposes your bias, the facts are on my side. Also, yes, I am biased to defend men wrongfully slandered by haters in the public. I will go to the dramatic extreme to defend him because he is on my fantasy team just the way those who dislike him will go to their dramatic extremes, like wrongfully saying he committed a crime.
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Per @AmyDashTV (CBS legal analyst) She thinks hopefully by Friday they will rule if there is a stay put back on to allow him to play Sunday until Tuesday 11/7's hearing.
Koya
Footballguy
I don't see anyone convicting him here. That's a legal issue and a high burden of proof.
As to his employers rights and his own in terms of the CBA, and our ability to postulate as to if we think he's guilty (not whether we'd legally convict him), he has a pattern of behavior by which its at the least understandable that his employer came to the conclusion - and punishment - they did.
Koya
Footballguy
What are the chances (legally) this at some point gets totally thrown out?
As I said before, this distraction has already impacted the Boys' season... and if another stay or two occurs, then are we to see Elliott out of football when the hammer finally comes down at the end of this year, down the stretch? Could he end up getting 3 games this year and STILL have to serve 3 more next?
Just doesn't seem to be in the boy's favor to continually prolong this, UNLESS there's a legit chance to overturn the whole decision.
As I said before, this distraction has already impacted the Boys' season... and if another stay or two occurs, then are we to see Elliott out of football when the hammer finally comes down at the end of this year, down the stretch? Could he end up getting 3 games this year and STILL have to serve 3 more next?
Just doesn't seem to be in the boy's favor to continually prolong this, UNLESS there's a legit chance to overturn the whole decision.
Koya
Footballguy
The court of public opinion <> the court of legal remedy. They also have far different standards, and especially in the former, a person's pattern of behavior is more than fair game by which to assist in coming to a personal judgement on the matter.
Personal judgement. Not legal.
Just like no one is actually "convicting" him
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
he wouldn't have been found innocent - just that he was entitled to a stay of the suspension through a PI.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Zero. Or to be fair, 0.01%
The only way for it to get thrown out for sure is the CBA gets dissolved or Gooddell suddenly drops the case.
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Koya
Footballguy
If that is indeed the reality, the boy's are killing their season. And possibly harming their next as well.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I'm not a lawyer but I would say close to none. This is a LABOR case . . . not a criminal case and not a civil case. Zeke will have to prove that the NFL clearly and demonstratively did not abide by the terms of the CBA. I just don't see it happening. Things being unfair is not going to cut it as an argument.
The best outcome for Elliott is that some way, some how the court decides that the league did not conform to the CBA . . . in which case they would force the NFL to conduct another arbitration hearing. That's it. They can't vacate the suspension entirely, as it is not the court's place to determine punishment on an agreed upon labor contract. All they could do is have the NFL conduct another arbitration hearing and ensure the CBA provisions were followed.
From there, Goodell could determine the same punishment and at that point there would be nothing Zeke could do. I suppose if he really wanted to push things, he could try to file a defamation lawsuit against the league suggesting the NFL conspired to drag him through the mud. But he would need to prove intent, which I don't know how he could show evidence of that. And I also am not sure that would get him out of serving a suspension even if he were to win.
in2win
Footballguy
While it could be possible, why put yourself in that situation when you have much to lose?
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My question doesn't really even require an answer. The answer is obvious. Goodell gains nothing by having the league's biggest stars sitting out. It was asked without expecting an answer.
Exactly. I can't believe that no one in upper management has told him to stop acting like a petulant child and to start thinking about the team instead of just himself.
Koya
Footballguy
Holy cow - I hadn't realised that if he was mid suspension that meant no playoffs. Ouch
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
The real question is how anyone can write a 24 page deposition in 3 hours. 180 WPM!
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
You are a filthy Eagles fan and it's bazaar that you find this so interesting.
The only reason you keep saying that Elliot is guilty is because you are a filthy dirty Eagles fan.
This is exactly what Elliot is fighting as well as his guaranteed money. He's fighting against his reputation so filthy dirt balls like yourself can't walk around calling him a woman beater.
Whether Elliot is a woman beater or not is up for debate, you being a filthy dirt ball is not.
Who is arguing he committed a crime? You keep making this straw man argument. It’s ridiculous; this is not a criminal case, it never was a criminal case. Zeke’s lawyers aren’t trying to convince the 2nd that he didn’t commit a crime, they are trying to convince them that Goodell violated the CBA. If you want to argue that Zeke didn’t abuse a woman, why don’t you start a thread about that, because it’s a completely different subject than does Goodell have the power to suspend him.
in2win
Footballguy
Yeah, I brought this up way back in the preseason. Most people assumed he’d serve the first 6 games, or get it out off until 2018. If he is under suspension when the playoffs start, he can’t play.
Johnny Bing
Footballguy
The Cowboys are 4-3 and down three games in that division. I find it hard to believe the management and coaches are penciling in their playoff schedule right now.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
Zeke understandably isn't concerned about when his suspension could possibly fall, and the Cowboys organization has nothing to do with this. Zeke says that he is innocent. He's simply going to fight until he wins, or he exhausts all avenues available for him to fight this. This has a lot less to do with missing games, and a lot more to do with being labeled a woman beater, being suspended, and irreparable harm being done to his name and future earning potential.
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need2know
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Footballguy
Why do people still think this is about what the Cowboys want?
Goodell has slandered an individual and stripped him of his guaranteed money.
The Cowboys have nothing to do with any of this other then they are also impacted by this travesty.
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Johnny Bing
Footballguy
I wouldn't say they are writing off the season at 4-3 in week 9. There is a lot of football to go. My point is there is no guarantee they make playoffs so to say Zeke should stop and just take the suspension doesn't make any sense.
Sure if they lose Zeke for playoffs that will be a blow, but you worry about that at that time. Right now you have to focus on winning each game. I think they would be foolish to just stop the appeal expecting they are in the playoffs.
Koya
Footballguy
Many of us don't believe he has been "slandered" - if that's the case, there are other legal remedies.
And I have not heard one peep as far as Elliott persuing those avenues.
Btw, TRAVESTY? A bit harsh perhaps, but again, this is hardly the only instance of Elliott's behavior that has been questionable.
Il not willing to say he's definitely guilty, buts it's even more laughable to speak as if we are defaming some beacon of the community.
Short Corner
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Come on man, this doesn't belong here. You always gave me wood.
I asked you guys nicely not to do this. Take a week off and if you can be way cooler when you come back, you can stay.
need2know
Footballguy
WheelsUp
Footballguy
It appears the 2nd will rule on the stay this week from the briefs the NFLPA and the NFL will submit this week, by tomorrow evening. NFLPA will file its response to the NFLs brief and then they will rule by tomorrow is my guess.
It all depends on how the 3 judge panel sees it, I think we have learned by now not to trust or predict what judges will do but again this has gone the exact opposite way that the popular opinion has been. Now it looks like everyone is calling this a hail mary, some of those have been completed more often lately. Two of the three judges could see it the opposite way, or they may not. As we have seen from the last judges ruling, sometimes judges want to rule for a reason maybe Zeke will get two judges like that on the appeals.
It all depends on how the 3 judge panel sees it, I think we have learned by now not to trust or predict what judges will do but again this has gone the exact opposite way that the popular opinion has been. Now it looks like everyone is calling this a hail mary, some of those have been completed more often lately. Two of the three judges could see it the opposite way, or they may not. As we have seen from the last judges ruling, sometimes judges want to rule for a reason maybe Zeke will get two judges like that on the appeals.
I can't find this anywhere. I see that Brush said that the 2nd "may" rule on the stay motion this week, just based on the briefs, but I can't find anything stating definitively that it WILL happen. If it's true, I wouldn't be surprise if the 2nd grants him the stay, until they finish the appeal. They don't normally conduct business on Thursdays or Fridays, so IMO, re-arranging their schedule suggests that they feel it was important enough to do it now, rather than next week, when they return. A logical assumption for why they are "rushing" would be that they feel he wouldn't be able to get the game back he'd miss this week (irreparable harm).
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
This is how I see it. Most of the legal people I've been following say it's been requested and they just assume they'll decide by Friday if they will put a 4-day STAY back on.
JIMGET
Footballguy
Highly unlikey in that they have already requested dates for NFL to file briefs and for them to respond. This sounds like the NFLPA know's the answer already. Indeed this is all conjecture, but the tea leaves point to zeke being suspended for at least 5 weeks.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
NFLPA already submitted their reply brief to the NFL that was submitted today, things moving quickly...now, we wait. No expected time frame for decision, but some suggest by tomorrow. But clearly they have been told to submit briefs otherwise the NFL wouldnt have rushed. Maybe all things dont link to the media.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
Here is a tweet from the DW guy that some have sources here, but yes, no time frame but its clear they were told to submit briefs, otherwise the NFL wouldnt have rushed it in today. Doesnt mean that they will rule, but does point to the fact that they may by this weekend.
Daniel Wallach @WALLACHLEGAL 2m2 minutes ago
With briefing complete in #Zeke emergency motion, and no scheduled court dates this week, 2nd Circuit could decide on basis of papers alone.
Daniel Wallach @WALLACHLEGAL 2m2 minutes ago
With briefing complete in #Zeke emergency motion, and no scheduled court dates this week, 2nd Circuit could decide on basis of papers alone.
So to clarify, has it been stated definitively that they will rule by tomorrow using just the briefs, or is that just conjecture at this point? Do we even know if the 2nd is meeting today or tomorrow? I understand that is a safe assumption based on the quick submission of briefs, but wondering if we’re connecting too many dots. If anyone has a link to reports about this, I’d appreciate it.
