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ESPN guy is awful.
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RB Ezekiel Elliott, DAL (1 Viewer)
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The General
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Who gives a #### about your cheating PatsI love how Jerry Jones is such a butthurt hypocrite.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/29/jerry-jones-has-a-much-better-chance-to-derail-goodell-extension-in-may/
"That’s when, per a league source, owners voted 32-0 to authorize the Compensation Committee to enter into a new contract with Goodell. Jones, given the 32-0 vote, approved the measure. And if Jones wanted to oppose the vote in May, he would have needed only eight other owners to agree with him in order to block it."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/12/jerry-jones-supported-roger-goodell-after-tom-brady-suspension/
"While Patriots owner Robert Kraft criticized Goodell’s decision in Deflategate, Jones threw his support behind Commissioner Roger Goodell."
?Just stare at your Tom Brady posters when you feel the need to troll.
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WiDDoW_MaKeR
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The OC didn't quite say that?
"We were preparing Alfred before the thing with Zeke became final for the week."
"He had taken a lot of reps with the first group be honest with you, and we felt like he had earned that at that point."
"As it went on, we felt like he was earning his way based on how he played in the preseason"
All quotes from Linehan on Morris being ahead of McFadden.
So, this is far from clear? This is vague and conflicting information? Especially considering that everything since these comments have fell directly in line with what he said. Given that Morris has been active for every single game, and McFadden has yet to even dress.
Sure, no problem. Would you mind showing me the posts from the last couple days where the “Salty Haters” were randomly whining about something from 10 years ago, because I couldn’t find those posts. It’s almost as if they don’t exist; like they were the figment of some crazy, obsessed, delusional mind. Weird, huh. I’ll just wait for you to post links to those posts.
Alex P Keaton
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The facts clearly demonstrate that he wasn't treated fairly. But the courts aren't opining on fair treatment - you've told us such over and over. They are just opining on whether or not Goodell is operating within the framework of the CBA.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I would love it if Goodell was banned from his Commissioner status ... not based on being convicted of anything, just based on something that the owners thinks he might have done.
That would be exceptional wouldn't it? Maybe just like 1/2 a year, loss of salary, slander his name .... that kinda thing
That would be exceptional wouldn't it? Maybe just like 1/2 a year, loss of salary, slander his name .... that kinda thing
Where did I say it was from a few days ago? Way to make things up. Figments of a crazy delusional mind indeed.
I pointed to the Deflategate thread, where people referenced Spygate constantly.
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If you look at the Deflategate thread, there were literally hundreds of references to Spygate, which happened 10 years ago. Maybe you should look in the mirror, and get over Spygate first.
After you get over Spygate, which happened 10 years ago, then you can complain about me bringing up Deflategate, which happened last year. Amirite?
Hilts
Footballguy
Crazy that a grown man who actually frosted his hair spends all this time whining about other grown men instead of things that actually matter.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
You answered yourself with all your own questions ironically with exception for time frame which no one knows.
Rule of thumb, when it involves courts, the decisions are made when the judge says so. If you have not heard a decision from a judge, continue waiting.
So your answer to your question of what the time frame is, when the Appeals court judges say so.
Why is it people are asking the same questions that have been answered, that if they were not so lazy they could find out themselves? Why is it people who have time to log in to a website and type a post but are not able to go through previous posts to see their answer? This case has not been hard to follow.
Rule of thumb, when it involves courts, the decisions are made when the judge says so. If you have not heard a decision from a judge, continue waiting.
So your answer to your question of what the time frame is, when the Appeals court judges say so.
Why is it people are asking the same questions that have been answered, that if they were not so lazy they could find out themselves? Why is it people who have time to log in to a website and type a post but are not able to go through previous posts to see their answer? This case has not been hard to follow.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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WheelsUp
Footballguy
I answered his question, whats the issue? My passing statement at the end? I just saw laziness and spoke about it. Seems the person who woke up on the wrong side of the bed is someone who takes issue with a comment about laziness and not the laziness itself. I just spent time typing out verbatim statement to help the gullible who believe a roto blurb without doing their research, I am more then entitled to critique lazy questions...and I will. I tell my 8 yo child who keeps asking for me to get her a juice box when she can get it herself, thats laziness. If I inform her she can get it herself, is that me waking up on the wrong side of the bed, or good advice? FFT.
Zeke will file appeal this morning, if not already, they will let us know their next steps when the court is ready. You tell me, how many more times in this thread will we hear, "whats the time frame, next steps and so on?" It has all already been laid out.
Zeke will file appeal this morning, if not already, they will let us know their next steps when the court is ready. You tell me, how many more times in this thread will we hear, "whats the time frame, next steps and so on?" It has all already been laid out.
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4th&inches
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In most cases I 100% agree with you, people do tend to be a bit on the lazy side and end up asking questions that were previously (& recently) answered which gets tiresome & annoying. However, in this case I think the bolded sentence above is clearly incorrect. This case has been anything but easy to follow. Nothing seems to have been what was expected and no one knows what Zeke/ NFLPA will do next.
Last known info I’m aware of is that the Southern District of New York has denied Elliott's request for an emergency injunction & Elliott is now waiting for a decision from the Second Circuit. However, that info was from yesterday and who knows what has happened since then.
Personally, I’m curious if anyone who follows more people on Twitter that I do or is closer to the case/ has more legal knowledge than myself has any new news on this case as well. That’s why I come to this page.
Because some people don't have all day to sort through 20 pages of posts. It's easier sometimes to just ask the question come back in an hour and see if it was answered. There's also a ton of information coming from a ton of different sources. Twitter Reddit Etc. Something that was posted a page or two ago could be old news. This is a message board. A place to ask questions and get information from people with common interests. I hope your morning gets better
That was pretty much the case for me this morning. I just happened to spend last night trick or treating with my kids. I didn't have time to scroll back several pages to get the latest news. Thought it would be easy to just ask the question and, as you mentioned, return later to see the answer.
That's what makes this forum so great.
But I guess that can be considered laziness. ??
WheelsUp
Footballguy
I do find it strange then that so many people with common interests who are visiting this thread lack so much info on this common interest in this thread. Like you said this is a message board, and I answered his questions and left a message to him to avoid asking same questions and do some research. I love the "Hope my day gets better" lines from those who are angry an innocent man is trying not to get punished and says things like "Crazy that grown men running around tackling each other warrants 'emergency' special hearings and leaps above hearings about PFAs and things that actually matter." Thats was a quote from you, right Jr.? Hope your day got better. But I digress. I would take that line better from people who do not appear to be constantly angry.
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WheelsUp
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The 2nd circuit got the paperwork last night for the appeal after a delay. Some worry was they would not get it in last night amongst Zeke camps as they update the appeal to include from my understanding the conflict of interest with the judge.
Kate Hairopoulos Verified account @khairopoulos
Elliott's appeal is on the docket in the 2nd Circuit.
Kate Hairopoulos Verified account @khairopoulos
Elliott's appeal is on the docket in the 2nd Circuit.
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Yes. That was me. And I stand by it. I think it's crazy that a football player gets emergency status and his decisions are always moved ahead of actual things that matter in life. That's irrelevant. No one's criticizing you for your opinion. They're blasting you for being a ##### when someone simply asked a question. The reason most of us are checking this thread. A common place to gather and get updates. You should probably think twice before calling people lazy. If you don't like the questions being asked on this board, feel free to delete our account. Pretty simple.
My day couldn't possibly get better. I hope you pay attention to what people were trying to tell you above. Many people called you out for being a DB. Learn from it and grow.
WheelsUp
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You are upset over my post answering a guys question then pointing out its easy to research if you are not lazy as a parting remark, but you;re in a good mood? I could be wrong but no one called me a DB, just you, just now...but I think we can all agree, the those who are the DBs are the ones with the frosted tips if movies tell me anything. Hope your day truly gets better. I will be patiently waiting for Zeke news.
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The Frankman
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BassNBrew
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4th&inches
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Tommy Collins
Footballguy
One time warning. If you want to keep posting here, drop the back and forth jabbing at each other and keep it on the topic of the subject.
Gottabesweet
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So would anything happen if he misses one game, but then wins on Tuesday somehow? He essentially would have served 1 game suspension when found innocent. This is all stupid.
Hilts
Footballguy
That sounds like he's staying suspended. Could be wrong but would think they'd otherwise get this figured out before the horse leaves the barn.
JIMGET
Footballguy
There's no finding innocent with any decision that might be made Tuesday. AFAIK, that would be just a decision about whether they will over-rule Failla and put his suspension on hold until the case has been decided. IF they decide Tuesday to do that, he will have served 1 game of his suspension. If he ultimately loses, he will "owe" 5 more games. If he were to end up with no suspension at all, he would be reimbursed for the salary of the 1 game suspension that he served.
WheelsUp
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Not only would he win the money back from his suspension, he would also now have a lawsuit against the league forged from the irreparable harm and there for would get some pretty lofty monetary judgement if he wins that lawsuit. That would not fall under a CBA or LMRA, that would be under good old fashion let the jury decide.
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JIMGET
Footballguy
Possibly, but that sounds like a slippery slope. This would air a lot of dirty laundry for Zeke.
The Frankman
Footballguy
This has been linked so many times but I'm going to link it once more for the conspiracy theorists and Ezekiel Elliot owners:
https://twitter.com/PeteBrush/status/925751611359719425
This is why Elliot had no chance once it got to the 2nd Circuit Court. Doesn't matter who the judge is when a legal precedent was established.
https://twitter.com/PeteBrush/status/925751611359719425
This is why Elliot had no chance once it got to the 2nd Circuit Court. Doesn't matter who the judge is when a legal precedent was established.
I'm pretty sure Zeke doesn' want to open that door. If he does something like that, all of his shortcomings and infractions are going to be made public. He would gladly swallow that one game missed then to have all that happen.
If the scenario I posed did play out that well, Zeke would have grounds for a lawsuit. However, that scenario is unlikely. He's going to lose & serve the suspension, IMO. Even the experts who believed that Zeke would be able to get enough TROs, injuctions, stays, etc to play this entire year have said all along that he would serve the suspension at some point. Even in a best case scenario, where the 2nd ignores their own precedent & says Goodell was unfair, they'd most likely order Goodell to redo the discipline process, and make the "unfair" stuff "fair." In that case, Goodell could consider the advice of the NFL's investigator, interview the ex-girlfriend, etc, etc, and still hand down a 6 game suspension. If that happens, Zeke's grounds for a lawsuit essentially vanish.
You don't get to sue for irreparable harm when the courts don't side with you. That's not how this works.
Gottabesweet
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Kate HairopoulosVerified account @khairopoulos 17m17 minutes ago
NFLPA asks 2nd Circuit for a stay in time for Elliott to play vs. Chiefs on Sunday
NFLPA asks 2nd Circuit for a stay in time for Elliott to play vs. Chiefs on Sunday
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Gottabesweet
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Kate HairopoulosVerified account @khairopoulos 8m8 minutes ago
NFLPA: While it's true the Commissioner has discretion, he has no bargained-for authority to ruin lives & careers in violation of CBA rights
NFLPA: While it's true the Commissioner has discretion, he has no bargained-for authority to ruin lives & careers in violation of CBA rights
Anarchy99
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In the Brady case, it has already been established that the court will give a broad berth in allowing the commissioner to impose sanctions, even if the process does not fully comply within labor laws, as long as they league sticks mostly within the framework of the CBA.
IMO, it is going to be nearly impossible for Elliott to show that the league didn't follow the arbitration process outlined in the CBA and that his CBA rights have been violated. There is nothing spelled out in the CBA indicating who may or may not be called as witnesses, what documents have to be shared, what constitutes "full cooperation," etc. His best argument is that the process was blatantly unfair, but that argument got tossed in the Deflategate case. We learned then that the league doesn't even need evidence (as they testified to in open court with Brady) to reach their conclusions.
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Oh geez. I'd say the guy raising his hand and roughing up women is the one ruining lives. I've asked this numerous times and never get an answer...what does Goodell have to gain by keeping the league's best players and biggest draws off the field? It's a terrible business model. Goodell has heard 100 times more information on this case than any of us have. If you want to argue that it should be 4 games instead of 6, that's reasonable. To pretend that goodell is randomly ruining lives is allowing fantasy football to mess with your logic.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Exactly - But pushing it back till Tuesday and granting a 5 day stay until they can hear the case just seems most logical. If he wins Tuesday, which is extremely unlikely, he gets his game check back but nothing else.
Disagree with the bolded. The NFL can't get away with skirting labor laws.
And strike "mostly". They have to comply with the CBA, period.
The rest, spot on.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
In one of the court's opinions this week, the judge cited that the commissioner could stray from labor laws some as long as the process as a whole stayed close to the provisions set forth in the CBA. That's the issue for the players . . . not much of the process or steps is clearly spelled out in the CBA, so the league will get the benefit of the doubt in how to interpret it.
in2win
Footballguy
This is a Joke right? Ruining lives? LOL
My man you have a great talent and massive paychecks in front of you, the only person that could ruin it is you. Stay out of situations that could lead to trouble....simple
It's crazy how people are trying to turn this guy into Tim Tebow. We don't know all the details but to imply that he's some innocent victim after knowing all the character issues, is just being a blind fan.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Or an Ezekiel Elliot owner in Fantasy. Here's the other thing I read in a tweet response
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