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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (2 Viewers)

Speaking with SiriusXM Fantasy Sports, ESPN's Adam Schefter said he would be "hesitant" to draft Ezekiel Elliott in fantasy leagues because of uncertainty about the NFL's ongoing investigation.

Schefter is an avid fantasy player as well as the best reporter in the business, so his opinion carries weight. Schefter said he has spoken to some people who gave him a "sense some form of discipline could happen" and others who do not think anything will come of the investigation. Schefter added he expected a news dump to come before the July 4th weekend, but the decision may have been pushed back as the NFL deals with "more information" and holds "more meetings." This investigation is seemingly never ending, and the fact the NFL has not cleared Elliott already suggests they are considering discipline. That concern is not enough to push Zeke out of the first round, but it is worth considering before selecting him in the top five.

Source: SiriusXM Fantasy 

Jul 3 - 11:50 AM
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Andy Dufresne said:
The NFL's investigation is more relevant to a suspension than the police. 

Hard to tell which is more Gestapo like these days - the commissioner's office or the NCAA.
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Sure, but the point being he was cleared by the police after a few weeks, yet the NFL is conducting a year plus long investigation. I think maybe they are just trying to act like they ar doing something about domestic violence. 

 
Gopher State said:
So are we thinking two game suspension?
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For what exactly? 

I think they're just being overly cautious in case something happens between now and the start of the season. 

To to be honest I'm shocked Jerry hasn't put his foot down and demanded that Rodger ####s or gets off the pot on this investigation. Pretty unfair to drag this out for so long. 

 
Rediculous if he's suspended. Im obviously biased but I can't help (hope?) but think it's a slow time of year for news so Shefty is just spewing this just to get some intrigue. 

I'm interested to hear what non fans think. 

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Rediculous if he's suspended. Im obviously biased but I can't help (hope?) but think it's a slow time of year for news so Shefty is just spewing this just to get some intrigue. 

I'm interested to hear what non fans think. 
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I think Elliott's a bit of an idiot that gets himself into trouble.  Wouldn't be surprised if he gets suspended at least one game.  I also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get suspended at all either.

 
Where does McFadden go in redrafts now?   Best ball?

I'm in the 12th of a MFL10 and thought about pulling the trigger but think that Jacquizz can cover the first two weeks just as easily so there is no rush.

 
oldmanhawkins said:
Where does McFadden go in redrafts now?   Best ball?

I'm in the 12th of a MFL10 and thought about pulling the trigger but think that Jacquizz can cover the first two weeks just as easily so there is no rush.
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Good Question!  Think its also worth noting that the NFL enjoys dramatizing things quite a bit..  Whats the value (for both players), if Zeke gets a six game suspension?

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Rediculous if he's suspended. Im obviously biased but I can't help (hope?) but think it's a slow time of year for news so Shefty is just spewing this just to get some intrigue. 

I'm interested to hear what non fans think. 
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DA doesn't have evidence to convict, how does the NFL? Has the witch hunt reached this level?

I'm with the guy who said Shefty wants to boost ESPN's ratings. I'll still take Zeke at 3.

 
cloppbeast said:
DA doesn't have evidence to convict, how does the NFL? Has the witch hunt reached this level?

I'm with the guy who said Shefty wants to boost ESPN's ratings. I'll still take Zeke at 3.
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Don't fool yourself.  In the last ten years, you can probably count the number of times Shefty has whiffed on half a hand. He's one of the best because he is so well connected and he abides by the rules of reporting the news (meaning he has heard what is and is reporting it) vs. trying to make the news.

Now, toss in the nature of the alleged infraction.  Assault. on a woman.  Isn't this the same league that ran domestic abuse ads ad naseum for an entire season and suffered some pretty significant black eyes due to domestic abuse recently?  Is Ray Rice employed by the NFL?  

 
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Shutout said:
Don't fool yourself.  In the last ten years, you can probably count the number of times Shefty has whiffed on half a hand. He's one of the best because he is so well connected and he abides by the rules of reporting the news (meaning he has heard what is and is reporting it) vs. trying to make the news.
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Well then the NFL is off its rocker.

 
Shutout said:
Don't fool yourself.  In the last ten years, you can probably count the number of times Shefty has whiffed on half a hand. He's one of the best because he is so well connected and he abides by the rules of reporting the news (meaning he has heard what is and is reporting it) vs. trying to make the news.
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Just a couple of months ago didn't he say Mitch Trubisky was going to be the #1 overall pick?

 
cloppbeast said:
Well then the NFL is off its rocker.
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Consider the infraction. This is a major, major image issue/topic for the NFL right now and has been for a few years. After Ray Rice, the Giants kicker, and a handful of others, they launched a legitimate media blitz and hosted league-wide fund raisers for domestic abuse.  They can not afford to NOT do something. 

I am not saying I agree with them. I just understand the position they are in. This is like if I owned a tire making factory and it came to be a certain brand of my tires were known defect and injured people and then my salesman in Omaha had a weekend sale of that particular tire and then the media covered it. I simply would have to react. 

 
Shutout said:
Consider the infraction. This is a major, major image issue/topic for the NFL right now and has been for a few years. After Ray Rice, the Giants kicker, and a handful of others, they launched a legitimate media blitz and hosted league-wide fund raisers for domestic abuse.  They can not afford to NOT do something. 

I am not saying I agree with them. I just understand the position they are in. This is like if I owned a tire making factory and it came to be a certain brand of my tires were known defect and injured people and then my salesman in Omaha had a weekend sale of that particular tire and then the media covered it. I simply would have to react. 
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So then it's the public's fault? I can agree with that.

But in most high schools the Crucible is required reading. No excuse for this kind of lunacy.

Edit: btw, Ray Rice at least was different. 100% guilty, only wife didn't press charges. With Zeke there isn't enough evidence to convict.

 
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BoltBacker said:
Just a couple of months ago didn't he say Mitch Trubisky was going to be the #1 overall pick?
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I don't know if he did but if anyone is using that to "prove he was wrong", they are really picking nits. He missed it by what? a pick? in a time where 99.5% of the rest of the informed population would have NEVER said he was going anywhere near that high. When the consensus informed sports media and world would have almost universally said he would never go before Watson.  

I don't know if you asked that question to bolster or discredit Shefty there but I personally think that illustrates just how close he has his fingers on the pulse of the NFL with that one. 

 
cloppbeast said:
So then it's the public's fault? I can agree with that.

But in most high schools the Crucible is required reading. No excuse.
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I don't really say its anyone's fault.Just a realistic understanding of the world we live in. There are countless things SO many people would (and do) point to in life and say that's crap! This political correctness has undermined common sense. Or that's going TOO far in correcting something that is gender, social-economic driven, etc.  It might be. I think it is on some topics.

But what I am saying is I've seen way too many of those commercials and read way too many of those fund raising efforts in the past few years to think for a second that the NFL is going to blind eye this. 

 
Shutout said:
I don't really say its anyone's fault.Just a realistic understanding of the world we live in. There are countless things SO many people would (and do) point to in life and say that's crap! This political correctness has undermined common sense. Or that's going TOO far in correcting something that is gender, social-economic driven, etc.  It might be. I think it is on some topics.

But what I am saying is I've seen way too many of those commercials and read way too many of those fund raising efforts in the past few years to think for a second that the NFL is going to blind eye this. 
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A woman only has to take a selfie with a black eye, maybe after a car accident or something, then post it on social media claiming their ex boyfriend beat them up. That's all it takes for a player to get suspended?

Nobody's fault, you're correct. Just doesn't seem right.

I'll get off my soap box now.

 
cloppbeast said:
A woman only has to take a selfie with a black eye, maybe after a car accident or something, then post it on social media claiming their ex boyfriend beat them up. That's all it takes for a player to get suspended?

Nobody's fault, you're correct. Just doesn't seem right.

I'll get off my soap box now.
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I hear you. The burden of proof is on the innocent sometimes and in the NFL it is almost assumed guilty until proven otherwise. And because of the relationship nature of man-woman and a woman knowing just how powerful a few words can be and how damaging to a known athlete, it is a very dangerous mix especially when emotions and feelings and jealousy and greed are mixed in. 

At the end of the day, that is where the NFL simply must do its due diligence and although I'm not a fan of most policy related things the NFL does, i do think they are being diligent, simply based on how long they are taking to review these types of cases.  

 
Shutout said:
At the end of the day, that is where the NFL simply must do its due diligence and although I'm not a fan of most policy related things the NFL does, i do think they are being diligent, simply based on how long they are taking to review these types of cases.  
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They give their image much more consideration than the young man trying to earn his livlihood. (if Shefter is correct) To me, that's the sad part.

 
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Two main things that puzzle me about this situation.

Seems like the women accused him twice, once in February before the draft and the second time in July but both of course before he ever played in the NFL.  Seems kind of weak that if you can get suspended for stuff you did before you played in the league that guys like Mixon and Tyrek HIll are good to go. And I get the NFL would likely respond to this by saying in July he was under contract but seems kind of a flimsy premise to me.

If they are going to suspend him for beating on a women they made that 6 weeks for the first offense, so why 1-2 games?

 
If his suspension is less than 4 games, I am not adjusting my rankings at all. He will drop a tier if its 4 or more...u can lose your season in the first 4 weeks sometimes.

 
BoltBacker said:
Just a couple of months ago didn't he say Mitch Trubisky was going to be the #1 overall pick?
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I know, right?  I mean, how terrible can someone be to project a guy at #1 and he ends up falling all the way to #2?  I bet he was extremely embarrassed with that. 

 
Hawkeye21 said:
I know, right?  I mean, how terrible can someone be to project a guy at #1 and he ends up falling all the way to #2?  I bet he was extremely embarrassed with that. 
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Look, I'm not here to step on anyone's golden calf. It was just proposed earlier in the thread that the guy is almost never wrong, so I was pointing out an instance just a few months ago. Of course I was using the measure of right and wrong being measured by....... well, being right or wrong. That was my mistake.

I certainly don't dislike Schefter btw. If you are in the rumor mill business your information is only as good as it's sources. I could also bring up the fact Schefter didn't think there was a landing spot in the 1st round for Lynch in the draft unless the Cowboys traded up to draft him...... but I'm sure that is only proof that Schefter is always right. Dallas did try to trade up for him. 

It's this new world of "alternative facts" that keeps me on uneven footing. I will never again make the mistake of trying to tell the Kellyanne Conway's on this board that Schefter has ever been mistaken. Lesson learned.

 
BoltBacker said:
Look, I'm not here to step on anyone's golden calf. It was just proposed earlier in the thread that the guy is almost never wrong, so I was pointing out an instance just a few months ago. Of course I was using the measure of right and wrong being measured by....... well, being right or wrong. That was my mistake.

I certainly don't dislike Schefter btw. If you are in the rumor mill business your information is only as good as it's sources. I could also bring up the fact Schefter didn't think there was a landing spot in the 1st round for Lynch in the draft unless the Cowboys traded up to draft him...... but I'm sure that is only proof that Schefter is always right. Dallas did try to trade up for him. 

It's this new world of "alternative facts" that keeps me on uneven footing. I will never again make the mistake of trying to tell the Kellyanne Conway's on this board that Schefter has ever been mistaken. Lesson learned.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I think all he said was that the Browns were debating between Garrett and Trubisky and there was a split within the organization over which way to go. That was then confirmed by a few other sources.

 
BoltBacker said:
Look, I'm not here to step on anyone's golden calf. It was just proposed earlier in the thread that the guy is almost never wrong, so I was pointing out an instance just a few months ago. Of course I was using the measure of right and wrong being measured by....... well, being right or wrong. That was my mistake.

I certainly don't dislike Schefter btw. If you are in the rumor mill business your information is only as good as it's sources. I could also bring up the fact Schefter didn't think there was a landing spot in the 1st round for Lynch in the draft unless the Cowboys traded up to draft him...... but I'm sure that is only proof that Schefter is always right. Dallas did try to trade up for him. 

It's this new world of "alternative facts" that keeps me on uneven footing. I will never again make the mistake of trying to tell the Kellyanne Conway's on this board that Schefter has ever been mistaken. Lesson learned.
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Mavis said:
If his suspension is less than 4 games, I am not adjusting my rankings at all. He will drop a tier if its 4 or more...u can lose your season in the first 4 weeks sometimes.
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It would be 3 weeks for me as he would lose another week with the bye.

However, someone did a Twitter poll on this and the overwhelming most popular answer so far is 4 games or more at 63%.

https://twitter.com/CoryRadford79/status/886227740265000960

Cory Radford‏ @CoryRadford79 2h2 hours ago

@MyFantasyLeague how many games in a possible suspension would it take for you

to significantly move Ezekiel Elliott down in your rankings?

03% 1

13% 2

21% 3

63% 4 or more

Vote 175 votes•  21 hours left

 
BoltBacker said:
Look, I'm not here to step on anyone's golden calf. It was just proposed earlier in the thread that the guy is almost never wrong, so I was pointing out an instance just a few months ago. Of course I was using the measure of right and wrong being measured by....... well, being right or wrong. That was my mistake.

I certainly don't dislike Schefter btw. If you are in the rumor mill business your information is only as good as it's sources. I could also bring up the fact Schefter didn't think there was a landing spot in the 1st round for Lynch in the draft unless the Cowboys traded up to draft him...... but I'm sure that is only proof that Schefter is always right. Dallas did try to trade up for him. 

It's this new world of "alternative facts" that keeps me on uneven footing. I will never again make the mistake of trying to tell the Kellyanne Conway's on this board that Schefter has ever been mistaken. Lesson learned.
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Attempting to debate he's "almost never wrong", you cite a single occurrence in a few months' window?  How do you expect people to take that seriously?  That's like the definition of "almost never wrong" man.

 
squistion said:
It would be 3 weeks for me as he would lose another week with the bye.
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This kind of reasoning comes up every time a suspension is discussed, but it never makes sense.

Zeke will have a bye, even if he is unsuspended.  You could decide to draft David Johnson instead, but he has a bye week too.

The need to cover a player's bye is already built into roster construction.  It shouldn't have any impact on how you build around a player's suspension.

 
Arodin said:
This kind of reasoning comes up every time a suspension is discussed, but it never makes sense.

Zeke will have a bye, even if he is unsuspended.  You could decide to draft David Johnson instead, but he has a bye week too.

The need to cover a player's bye is already built into roster construction.  It shouldn't have any impact on how you build around a player's suspension.
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Sorry, but it makes perfect sense to me. LeVeon Bell was suspended 3 games (not 4) last year and I missed the playoffs in every league that I own him, as that was too much to overcome with the bye week added. If your fantasy season runs 13 weeks and it takes a 7-6 record (generally) to make the playoffs, it is real difficult to lose your star player for over 1/3 of the games (which would be 5 with a 4 week suspension) and still make the playoffs.

Now, despite the Bell debacle for my leagues last year, I believe I can hopefully work around Zeke for 3 games (plus the bye) in a 13 week season and still make my league playoffs. If we are talking 4 weeks plus a bye, that is now 5 games out of 13 and at that point I fade him in leagues.

 
Mavis said:
If his suspension is less than 4 games, I am not adjusting my rankings at all. He will drop a tier if its 4 or more...u can lose your season in the first 4 weeks sometimes.
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I spent a first or second round pick, mainly seconds,  on Bell in 5-6 leagues last year. All high stakes type leagues with 11 week regular season and all those teams made the playoffs. I think people wildly overrate missed games in those first few weeks. You don't have bye weeks and injuries have not mounted, no easier weeks to work around a players absence than those first few weeks. I can't recall the last time I did a draft where I left the draft without a solid third RB, your roster should never have as many options as it does before bye weeks and attrition hit.

I'm fairly anti-NFL suspension policy so would not classify me as rooting for Elliot to get suspended but if he does I'm going to look favorably upon it for my own selfish desire in hopes a few missed games makes him this years Bell in redrafts and someone you can get at a great bargain.

But don't get me wrong, anything more than one game and I'm adjusting where he is ranked but I can both lower a players rankings and still feel they are a great value if they fall enough.

Arodin said:
This kind of reasoning comes up every time a suspension is discussed, but it never makes sense.
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Agreed, don't get it either even after people explain why they feel this way. Everyone has a bye week.

 
Hankmoody said:
Attempting to debate he's "almost never wrong", you cite a single occurrence in a few months' window?  How do you expect people to take that seriously?  That's like the definition of "almost never wrong" man.
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Actually, there's a lot going wrong fundamentally in this thread. So let's rewind to the start.

First,the statement was made, "In the last ten years, you can probably count the number of times Shefty has whiffed on half a hand". That was the post I replied to. That post implies that Shefty goes several years without getting anything wrong. That is not MY definition. That is the definition put forth by the individual I replied to. If you have a problem with that definition..... ok. Fine. It's not my definition. Have at it.

Secondly, a major problem is that I'm not debating. I'm stating a simple fact. A simple fact that seems to have unraveled several people in this thread. I will not debate whether Mitch Trubisky was the first player taken in the draft. If a group of people in this thread want to pretend that facts are not facts, again.... ok. Fine. I guess I'm old school in that facts are just facts. They are not evil characters trying to beat up on my friends. They are not "fake news". They just are. If you or anyone else want to debate if 7 is 9, or green is blue.... ok. I am not going to "debate" that you are wrong.

Lastly, I don't even dislike Schefter so I am not sure where all this vitriol is coming from. I guess just putting forth the notion than he(actually, sources of his) put out inaccurate information more than once every few years was some sort of trigger for a lot of people in this thread. Put down your rape whistles. You guys win. If you want to believe 2+2=5 then I will certainly not burst your bubble. 

 
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