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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (2 Viewers)
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Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Nope, but when has Goodell's suspensions made any rhyme or reason? If this is a two game suspension and a civil suit, it's only a long term maturity issue. Two games sucks to lose but you'd have to expect that out of the majority of your players throughout a season due to injuries. It's unreasonable to come to this board and go "I wouldn't roster the third best back in the league". It is reasonable to go, "well I'm not drafting this guy in the first" or something of that nature. Right now I have no reason to believe clarity will be brought to the night club situation seeing as the cops don't have a tape and one hasnt been uploaded online.
efactor
Footballguy
That's virtually always the police reaction initially unless it is blatantly obvious what happened. Zeke left, so they have to do their investigation before they can arrest him.
Doesn't mean he is free and clear especially since the NFL has it's own justice system.
Mavis
Footballguy
No, you are comparing apples to oranges. One did something just yesterday as an NFL player and has issues already as an NFL player, the other has had nothing of the sort as an NFL player.
But, I totally understand your desperate attempt to here.
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Footballguy
Why? The Cowboys have had fewer arrests and suspensions than the majority of the league over the past several years.
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hoffman0001
Footballguy
Ummmmm proof please? It seems like every other week we see a Cowboy suspended for a violation. Do you have any proof? This sounds like a fantasy to me.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
He's actually right if we're going by arrests. There's a website that keeps track of it and I believe their data goes back to 2000.
http://nflarrest.com/
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
hoffman0001
Footballguy
He said arrest AND Suspensions. I'm sure if we combine the two the suspensions bring them back to the pack.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Well since you disagree go ahead and get your googling on homeboy. We've given you half of the puzzle.
Dont be lazy.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Given the latest incident and the domestic violence issue (which we know is a sore sport the the NFL) I think we see a 4 games suspension....maybe dropped down to 3 by appeal. I think this is going to be more than 1-2 games.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Here's a list for the Cowboys I found that included arrests, fines and suspensions. I believe it goes back to 2002.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/fines-suspensions/all-years/dallas-cowboys/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/fines-suspensions/all-years/dallas-cowboys/
hoffman0001
Footballguy
I did not make the claim, the POSTER made the claim. If you make a claim like that you need to back it up. It's not up to me to prove his argument. Everyone on this board knows that the Cowboys D-Line has been a major source of issues the last 2 years.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Great stuff...I think we see a common theme here "Violating the NFL's substance abuse policy",. Clearly the Cowboys are not the choir boys the poster wanted us to believe. Either a disgruntled Elliot owner in denial, or a homer?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I wouldn't too cocky until you see the rest of the league, LOL. Dallas isn't near as bad as you think. I'm working on gathering more info.Great stuff...I think we see a common theme here "Violating the NFL's substance abuse policy",. Clearly the Cowboys are not the choir boys the poster wanted us to believe. Either a disgruntled Elliot owner in denial, or a homer?
hoffman0001
Footballguy
I NEVER said the Cowboys were the best or worst. I simply said the idea that the Cowboys were the darlings of the NFL as far as suspensions made me
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
If they are not the worst then what is your criteria for them being the darlings? Are you just going by media coverage because that would make sense since Dallas gets more attention than most teams.I NEVER said the Cowboys were the best or worst. I simply said the idea that the Cowboys were the darlings of the NFL as far as suspensions made me
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Zeke entered the NFL with an accusation of domestic violence. Prior to the start of his rookie season. Is that apples to apples for you?
Cook, domestic violence accusations in college, later dropped.
Zeke, domestic violence accusations in college, later dropped.
One of those two went on to continue a pattern of bad behavior and is now staring at a suspension. The other you say has a clean slate and is not at any risk for repeated bad behavior or being suspended because nothing he did before getting into the NFL matters. I'm showing you one example where it does. There are plenty of examples where it didn't matter and that player did not get into further trouble. I'm not saying it's true for all. All I'm saying is that you give it zero weight and I believe it carries some at least worth talking about.
This why it's difficult to have a serious conversation with you. I'm really trying to just have a normal conversation... you get defensive and ignore the basics of what I'm saying.
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Yea, used that site to scan suspensions of a few teams and Dallas seemed to be kind of normal, in fact every team I looked at seemed to be in same range.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
The claim was per above. I do not buy that claim without some sort of proof given the Cowboys record with suspensions in the last 2 years. End of story. Majority means more than half......unless he can prove that more than half the league has more arrests and Suspensions than the Cowboys, his argument does not fly. I'm very confident that this is not the case.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I looked at each team on Spotrac.com and wrote down how many players made their list since 2002 and how much they accumulated in fines. Here were the top 15 teams. For reference Dallas has 53 players and $5.4M in fines.
PIT - 88 players, $4.2M
TEN - 88 players, $2.8M
BAL - 84 players, $6.5M
WAS - 81 players, $10.3M
NYG - 80 players, $2.4M
MIN - 76 players, $6.2M
NE - 75 players, $4M
DET - 73 players, $2.4M
CHI - 69 players, $5.9M
DEN - 68 players, $8.2M
CAR - 67 players, $4.7M
GB - 64 players, $2.5M
NYJ - 64 players, $3.2M
SEA - 63 players, $3M
CIN - 57 players, $4.3M
PIT - 88 players, $4.2M
TEN - 88 players, $2.8M
BAL - 84 players, $6.5M
WAS - 81 players, $10.3M
NYG - 80 players, $2.4M
MIN - 76 players, $6.2M
NE - 75 players, $4M
DET - 73 players, $2.4M
CHI - 69 players, $5.9M
DEN - 68 players, $8.2M
CAR - 67 players, $4.7M
GB - 64 players, $2.5M
NYJ - 64 players, $3.2M
SEA - 63 players, $3M
CIN - 57 players, $4.3M
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Hi Bojang,
If you had to guess right now, how many games (if any) do you think he'll be suspended?
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Does that include fines for on the field incidents? And we are not talking about since 2002. We are taking about recent history. The claims was " over the past several years" not going back 15 years. The research is appreciated but it does not answer the question.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
He said several years and for some reason you changed it to two years. I know I went back pretty far but several should include much more than two years.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
My thought exactly. It'd be interested to see off-field incidents only.
What is "recent history" though? For my profession it's 10 years. For some 5 years back would be legitimate, but there are some problem athletes who have been on an NFL team for longer than that. I think 15 is a bit of a stretch. I'd be comfortable with 10.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Fine, run to for say the last 5 years if you want, and throw out any on the field fines. Just suspensions and arrests only. Show me that 17 teams (a majority) have had more instances in the last 5 years than the Cowboys and I'll admit I'm wrong.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I would guess 2 games if the NFL does decide to do something on the hearsay. Considering Le'veon went in the 2nd with a 3 game last year I don't think Zeke should even drop out of the first.
Post your guess here for how (if any) games you think he'll be suspended in this poll https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/757496-ezekiel-elliott-suspension-worries-717-how-many-games-suspended/
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Given the recent bar incident (which I am guessing is more than "he was in the room") I say 4 games, and then down to 3 on appeal.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Don't necessarily need a right or wrong. Historically speaking the Cowboys have had their dark years. They have shown to give problem athletes chances (Pacman Jones, Terrell Owens was just a headcase, Greg Hardy to name a few). I think saying the Cowboys have had more instances than most NFL teams would be an accurate statement. Maybe more accurate to say they've employed the most, and highest profile "problem children" on their team in recent years.
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Cool. Thanks. We'll see soon. How to react properly for what happens here feels one of the more important choices for redraft leagues this year.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
That's a good point. If they signed a FA that had a recent incident that wouldn't really count as being a Cowboy player that got fined or suspended. The lists I have been looking at were including players that were on the team's current roster at the time of getting in trouble.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
No problem brother...It's not your job to prove his claim. If he can't back it up I'm throwing a flag on that one. The Cowboys and suspensions are common knowledge the last 2 years. Jimmy is making too many risky picks on draft day and they are not helping their case.
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I started doing a quick search and saw that the Cowboys had 19 players since 2015. I only went as far as BUF who had 21 players during that same time frame and BAL had 18 players. This was from the same site and it included on field fines so once I realized that wasn't the criteria being looked for I stopped.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Exactly. Notice that the original poster decided to "run deep" as soon as we asked for proof. Again, feel to me like a Elliot owner in denial or a Cowboy Homer.
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Mavis
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I believe you got called out on that one added comment there that wasn't necessary. Your point was made with the first part. The second part was a small shot which looked like an attempt to start an argument.
Dial the argumentative tone way back if you want to keep posting here and be way more cool.
Mavis
Footballguy
He confronted me and brought up remarks from another thread, I cant tell him his point is wrong?
I have had these discussion with mods of whats allowed and what isnt, I was told debate the points. This was just that, and it was a desperate attempt to do so. How are you assuming my tone here? Thats a slippery slope? I type a certain way, so I have to type words a certain way to post here? Assuming how a persons intent is through words is tough.
I'm so confused with what some are allowed to post and what they say, yet what I said deserved this. Also, the way you come across the way of "keep posting here" is off putting man. Its a website man, seems like the drama can be toned down.
I'm not ever sure how you are going to respond to this, based of how you think my tone is.
Also, why is it you do these warning publicly instead of PM? It seems you are begging for others to chime in and troll when they dont like someone, and that may be the point.
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Mavis
Footballguy
Nah, my style is just that. It seems people are supposed to type and phrase thing a certain way here. Very regulatory, but so be it "If I want to keep posting here."
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Just saying. I thought it was unnecessary when I first saw it and then I knew it wasn't going to be well received after I read the thread about making this site a little more friendly.
Mavis
Footballguy
I mean, ok...but if we turn the sensitivity to things down to a level of expectations that we would have in everyday life, maybe it would seem more reasonable.
It seems we want to eliminate that smart alec guy you know who is harmless but just makes a remark every now and then. So proper, I'm concerned at how this conversation is gonna be perceived, and we are just simply talking.
So others can see what we're doing. If you're unable to dial it back and that's "just your style", please find another board.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
I'm glad to see Joe cleaning things up personally. People had gotten very Snarky and nasty over the past few years. Specially with people feel that this is "their" message board because they have the most posts, or someone is too "new", to have an opinion. I remember back in the day you would see people say things like "what do you know your a noob",.
Keep it up Joe!
Mavis
Footballguy
I mean, ok...but if we turn the sensitivity to things down to a level of expectations that we would have in everyday life, maybe it would seem more reasonable.
It seems we want to eliminate that smart alec guy you know who is harmless but just makes a remark every now and then. So proper, I'm concerned at how this conversation is gonna be perceived, and we are just simply talking.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
or "most likes"I'm glad to see Joe cleaning things up personally. People had gotten very Snarky and nasty over the past few years. Specially with people feel that this is "their" message board because they have the most posts, or someone is too "new", to have an opinion. I remember back in the day you would see people say things like "what do you know your a noob",.
Keep it up Joe!
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Most comments here should be constructive. The comment you added to yours was not constructive at all and was an obvious attempt to egg on someone else. Some people really enjoy going back and forth like that but in a forum like this it doesn't help when people come here for info.I mean, ok...but if we turn the sensitivity to things down to a level of expectations that we would have in everyday life, maybe it would seem more reasonable.
It seems we want to eliminate that smart alec guy you know who is harmless but just makes a remark every now and then. So proper, I'm concerned at how this conversation is gonna be perceived, and we are just simply talking.
