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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (8 Viewers)

Bojang0301 said:
Guy is 29, hard to mount a defense for anything other then mediocrity at this point. He is what he's been his whole career: made of glass and just ok when healthy.
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From the time DMac took over as the starter for DAL in 2015, he scored the 7th most fantasy points for RB's . . . and that includes his bye week in 0 ppr leagues. I don't think it would be much a of a stretch to suggest that he would be similarly successful if he found himself starting for 10 games this year. The point being, he's not a bum off the street like some people are making him out to be.

 
If you need to mount a full Sherlock Holmes investigation and suspend the man for longer then PacMan Jones, you have something incredibly wrong with your disciplinary program.

 
Denard Robinson works out for Dallas Cowboys.....

Hmmm.....they are so deep at RB, I wonder if they know a suspension of some length is coming  :ph34r:

 
Bojang0301 said:
If you need to mount a full Sherlock Holmes investigation and suspend the man for longer then PacMan Jones, you have something incredibly wrong with your disciplinary program.
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Just because they didn't do anything in the past doesn't mean they should try to improve there system and do something now.  Using past events for comparison isn't helpful at this point.  They are trying to fix a disciplinary system that was obviously broken in the past.  It's still not great but it's better than it was.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Just because they didn't do anything in the past doesn't mean they should try to improve there system and do something now.  Using past events for comparison isn't helpful at this point.  They are trying to fix a disciplinary system that was obviously broken in the past.  It's still not great but it's better than it was.
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What?!!?!   A system where Goodell can do whatever he feels like is better?!??

 
Alex P Keaton said:
What?!!?!   A system where Goodell can do whatever he feels like is better?!??
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Yes, punishing players for breaking the rules is better than not punishing them.  Obviously they can do much better but at least there are now more consequences to player's actions. 

 
Hawk,  Please don't get your feathers in a ..  I'm not saying your angle is poor or indifferent.  I can kinda recall a similar stance years ago.

Seriously, I forget.. 

However, I think it would help some of us to grasp (make sense) of the Goodell show, if you humbled us some, in explaining your take..  I diunno, is anything retroactive?  Should Dallas also be held to higher standards?  Did Dallas wrong James for not taking any previous action?  Think the Players Union should make attempts to do more (sooner) for young, new players to the League..  Is anything Zeke done wrong, not something irreproachable?  Fair for Goodell to mention poor judgement/bad luck being involved in accidents at his 'sentencing'? 

 
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Dismattle said:
Hawk,  Please don't get your feathers in a ..  I'm not saying your angle is poor or indifferent.  I can kinda recall a similar stance years ago.

Seriously, I forget.. 

However, I think it would help some of us to grasp (make sense) of the Goodell show, if you humbled us some, in explaining your take..  I diunno, is anything retroactive?  Should Dallas also be held to higher standards?  Did Dallas wrong James for not taking any previous action?  Think the Players Union should make attempts to do more (sooner) for young, new players to the League..  Is anything Zeke done wrong, not something irreproachable?  Fair for Goodell to mention poor judgement/bad luck being involved in accidents at his 'sentencing'? 
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My feathers are perfectly fine.  I'm not that worked up about it.  I'm not sure why some feel it's normal for young adults to do what ever they want without any consequences though.  I did plenty of stupid stuff when I was his age too and when I got caught I paid the price.  It was part of growing up and a lesson learned.

I also agree that what Zeke has done so far really isn't that big of deal, other than if he actually hit a woman, and I don't see the need for a big suspension but I certainly can see the league doing it.  I'd like to see the Cowboys do something to keep him in check and work harder to stay out of trouble.  It's really not that hard to have fun and still be responsible.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
My feathers are perfectly fine.  I'm not that worked up about it.  I'm not sure why some feel it's normal for young adults to do what ever they want without any consequences though.  I did plenty of stupid stuff when I was his age too and when I got caught I paid the price.  It was part of growing up and a lesson learned.

I also agree that what Zeke has done so far really isn't that big of deal, other than if he actually hit a woman, and I don't see the need for a big suspension but I certainly can see the league doing it.  I'd like to see the Cowboys do something to keep him in check and work harder to stay out of trouble.  It's really not that hard to have fun and still be responsible.
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My issue isn't what you outlined above at all.  I'm a big fan of personal responsibility and holding people accountable for their actions.

My beef is that Goodell isn't held accountable for his arbitrary decision making when it comes to player punishment.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
My issue isn't what you outlined above at all.  I'm a big fan of personal responsibility and holding people accountable for their actions.

My beef is that Goodell isn't held accountable for his arbitrary decision making when it comes to player punishment.
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I don't have any arguments with displeasure against Goodell but I'm still happier seeing players getting punished versus not punished at all.  I'm not sure what they need to do to fix it right now.  Some consistency would help.

 
Pac Man Jones assaulted and spit on a cop this offseason (on top of his history being so bad he essentially started the league disciplinary program). If they suspended him for the year and wanted to suspend Zeke, I don't even bring it up. When the only thing that can be charged to Zeke is bad publicity and speeding at this point, the league can go screw.

 
Hawk  hats off to even consider   But ya wanna try to address Bojang post? 

Is it kinda like comparing Andy Griffith Barney dealing with Otis?  https://youtu.be/rlC1PbY6EoU  Gotta stop Zeke now, so as to avoid future embarrassment for yourself?  I mean America is based sorta on treating everyone equal..  I can see failing Pac Man in some aspects, almost sad to see him effected financially..  Whats your take though?  You say "start somewhere"..

While we gotta a 'thug' in the League by some accounts, taking a weekend off, so hes only actually working 15 days! (brutal huh, that'll teach him)  What ya think will make Zeke drop his jaw,,  I mean what will get his attention,,  I mean whats fair "punishment"  I mean, whats fair to his fellow co-workers, and his Fans? 

Listen her Son, We caught ya red-handed!  I don't care what kind of embarrassment, you caused your Family.  This is what I'm gonna do ___.. 

 
Dismattle said:
Hawk  hats off to even consider   But ya wanna try to address Bojang post? 

Is it kinda like comparing Andy Griffith Barney dealing with Otis?  https://youtu.be/rlC1PbY6EoU  Gotta stop Zeke now, so as to avoid future embarrassment for yourself?  I mean America is based sorta on treating everyone equal..  I can see failing Pac Man in some aspects, almost sad to see him effected financially..  Whats your take though?  You say "start somewhere"..

While we gotta a 'thug' in the League by some accounts, taking a weekend off, so hes only actually working 15 days! (brutal huh, that'll teach him)  What ya think will make Zeke drop his jaw,,  I mean what will get his attention,,  I mean whats fair "punishment"  I mean, whats fair to his fellow co-workers, and his Fans? 

Listen her Son, We caught ya red-handed!  I don't care what kind of embarrassment, you caused your Family.  This is what I'm gonna do ___.. 
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I think Pac Man should've been kicked out of the league years ago. 

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Yes, punishing players for breaking the rules is better than not punishing them.  Obviously they can do much better but at least there are now more consequences to player's actions. 
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If only there was a police department and a system of laws they enforced already in place.

But seriously if it's a violent crime kick them out otherwise leave it to the courts. Goodell has had the opposite affect as NFL players are viewed as the worst in sports because he brings so much attention to negative issues. He's a cancer.

 
voiceofunreason said:
If only there was a police department and a system of laws they enforced already in place.

But seriously if it's a violent crime kick them out otherwise leave it to the courts. Goodell has had the opposite affect as NFL players are viewed as the worst in sports because he brings so much attention to negative issues. He's a cancer.
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I don't like Goodell either but I don't think he's a cancer to the NFL.  He's responsible for making the NFL the most popular sport in the nation. I doubt the team owners think he's a cancer either as he's made them all a ton of money. 

 
Hawkeye21 said:
I don't like Goodell either but I don't think he's a cancer to the NFL.  He's responsible for making the NFL the most popular sport in the nation. I doubt the team owners think he's a cancer either as he's made them all a ton of money. 
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Roger Goodell did not make the NFL the most popular sport in the nation. 

 
Hawkeye21 said:
I don't like Goodell either but I don't think he's a cancer to the NFL.  He's responsible for making the NFL the most popular sport in the nation. I doubt the team owners think he's a cancer either as he's made them all a ton of money. 
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What specific things has he done, in your view, to make him responsible for the NFL being so popular?

 
Alex P Keaton said:
What specific things has he done, in your view, to make him responsible for the NFL being so popular?
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Goodell was heavily involved in the negotiation of the collective bargaining agreement with the NFLPA and NFL owners during the summer of 2011. He also played an extensive role in league expansion, realignment, and stadium development, including the launch of the NFL Network and securing new television agreements.

Think its kinda like the QB grabbing all the glory..  It may not have much merit, but it happens   I hi-lighted NFL Network not because he bought stocks or something   Think in my mind The NFL Network actually grew the fan base   fwiw  I'm not currently a big fan of the morning crew, but I can see the attraction too..  I used to watch it quite often.

 
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Alex P Keaton said:
What specific things has he done, in your view, to make him responsible for the NFL being so popular?
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/football/best-worst-roger-goodell-10-years-nfl-commissioner-article-1.2824168

Goodell inherited a business with $6 billion annual revenues in 2006 and has grown that into what’s projected to be right around $14 billion in 2016 with a goal of $25 billion by 2027.

Ensured no work stoppages with a 10-year labor deal in 2011 through the 2020 season.

Pushed for technological advances to allow the game to be more accessible and enjoyable for fans.

 
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(fwiw)  I really loved Rozelle  Its kinda ironic that there isn't much youtube video.

Ya know what I just noticed, reviewing suspensions..  The NFL has sure made a push towards using 'undisclosed'.. 

Also of note.. No suspensions from 64-81  Rozelle was 60-89, but still its almost like a direct correlation between player suspensions, and the sports popularity increase..  Once they break out the suspension wand, I guess its hard to put away.. 

This is an entirely different realm than I grew up knowing..  We watched players use smelling salts, on the sidelines, and/or in huddles, like they were pick me ups /energy drinks..  However, we barely knew anything outside of any special appearances, in like off-Season contests..  Players now days will run off the field for numerous testing, and then return after a quarter or miss an entire half..  Today its near impossible to not know anything, that isn't worthwhile knowing.. 

I guess I'm admitting that Goodell doesn't have it so easy..  I mean I know that I would have probably considered various options, in the past at times..  But, I'm kinda stumped now in some of these scenarios.. 

Hopefully the NFL can get back on track, and start helping the players more.  (Cowboys fixed Dez right)  Hope to see some positive news on Zeke soon!

 
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Hawkeye21 said:
Who did then? Or do you feel there is another sport that is more popular?
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Your statement was that Roger Goodell made the NFL the most popular sport in the nation and that's patently false. 

The NFL was already the most popular sport in the nation prior to Goodell taking the position of commissioner. 

Its hard to argue with the financial success the NFL has made during Goodell's tenure but I believe that would have happened with or without the Ginger Hammer. 

 
Hawkeye21 said:
I don't like Goodell either but I don't think he's a cancer to the NFL.  He's responsible for making the NFL the most popular sport in the nation. I doubt the team owners think he's a cancer either as he's made them all a ton of money. 
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Ratings have been tumbling and I think Giidell can take a lot of credit. He's made short term money with Thursday games but all the major sports have grown a lot in the last 10 years and I think he has little to do with it.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Your statement was that Roger Goodell made the NFL the most popular sport in the nation and that's patently false. 

The NFL was already the most popular sport in the nation prior to Goodell taking the position of commissioner. 

Its hard to argue with the financial success the NFL has made during Goodell's tenure but I believe that would have happened with or without the Ginger Hammer. 
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He certainly has made it even more popular. 

 
Alex P Keaton said:
My beef is that Goodell isn't held accountable for his arbitrary decision making when it comes to player punishment.
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What makes you think his decisions are arbitrary?  You've seen all the evidence and mitigating circumstances presented to him in each of his decisions to come to this conclusion?   

 
[icon] said:
Huh? Multiple people listed, in detail, things that were done by him on this very page. I'm no Goodell fan, but cmon 
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I would think that given what was possible in his position, that he hasn't done much..  We could point to somethings, which actually paint a negative picture too.  I mean yeah even bad pub, is good pub..  But that may just help keep what ya got, it doesn't necessarily increase the amt of fans.. 

He's the QB   The media thinks hes winning, so hes gonna get a pat on the back..  Wait until the view changes.. (if it does) Only an ignorant, feeble Owner will have a nice thing to say on camera.. (Commish works for all the Owners)

Killface, we have a whole thread discussing the # of threads, w/ voting too!

Bronco Billy, I think its arbitrary, because of a lack of standards..  A written violation occurs, and No one can tell you with a straight face, what will be the outcome..  We're left with more questions..  Think they'll over look this, or that?  Do you think their finished?  IF not, you really need to get over to the voting thread ASAP..

 
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Dismattle said:
Bronco Billy, I think its arbitrary, because of a lack of standards..  A written violation occurs, and No one can tell you with a straight face, what will be the outcome..  We're left with more questions..  Think they'll over look this, or that?  Do you think their finished?  IF not, you really need to get over to the voting thread ASAP..
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So one punishment equivalent to all violators, regardless of any history or mitigating circumstances, so that you will know the outcome as soon as the violation occurs is what you consider "fair"?

 
Ahhh the old "I'll make assertions and deflect the burden of proof" defense! I love it  :D

(Jokes aside: I agree discipline has been inconsistent at best under Goodell. 

 
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[icon] said:
Ahhh the old "I'll make assertions and deflect the burden of proof" defense! I love it  :D

(Jokes aside: I agree discipline has been inconsistent at best under Goodell. 
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lol

Subjective and arbitrary are two very different things.

I'm not sure how anyone can make an accurate judgment about whether the decisions are arbitrary when there is no way that they can have access to all the information that went into making the decision.

Subjective?  No question.  Arbitrary?  I don't know - as much as no one else here does either - but I'd be willing to bet these decisions are anything but arbitrary.

 
Bronco Billy said:
lol

Subjective and arbitrary are two very different things.

I'm not sure how anyone can make an accurate judgment about whether the decisions are arbitrary when there is no way that they can have access to all the information that went into making the decision.

Subjective?  No question.  Arbitrary?  I don't know - as much as no one else here does either - but I'd be willing to bet these decisions are anything but arbitrary.
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I'm fine with using the words subjective and inconsistent, rather than "arbitrary."

 
NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the league will not announce a decision on Ezekiel Elliott's potential discipline this week.

Many believed Zeke's ban would be announced in a typical Friday news dump, but it never came. And it's not coming at all this week. Per Pelissero, commissioner Roger Goodell is "waiting for outside advisors to finish (their) work" on the multiple investigations into Zeke's off-field behavior. Until we get confirmation of whether or not Elliott is going to be disciplined, he will remain a risky top-five fantasy pick.

Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter 

Jul 31 - 4:44 PM
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