RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (3 Viewers)

[Dr. Octopus]

Still has his appeal as well as legal options. I say no way he misses the first 6 weeks of the season. JJ has said he believed no suspension was coming and nothing was found in regards to domestic violence. Everyone just saw how Brady skirted a suspension. No way the Cowboys just accept the punishment without a fight.

Brady skirted it?

 

[richn]

???

What do you mean?  I can keep him this year + 2 more years.....but that's a lot to have him miss this year

 

[Insein]

Still has his appeal as well as legal options. I say no way he misses the first 6 weeks of the season. JJ has said he believed no suspension was coming and nothing was found in regards to domestic violence. Everyone just saw how Brady skirted a suspension. No way the Cowboys just accept the punishment without a fight.

Brady eventually missed 4 games. Zeke is not Brady. They'll push that appeal through in a day and uphold.

 

[JAMES!]

Brady skirted it?

For a whole year he did.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Guessing he is 2nd Round in redraft now.  And I think the back to own is Morris who has fresh legs. 

 

[Mavis]

What do you mean?  I can keep him this year + 2 more years.....but that's a lot to have him miss this year

Oh, I thought you were trying to talk about Zeke I did not know you were talking about your league.

Future reference, no one typically cares about yours/others league or team in that regard, its also part of the rules.

The rule of thumb for the Shark Pool here is "Make it applicable to everyone". I hate to break it to you but most people in the Shark Pool don't care about your team. They care about football. If the focus of your post is your team, it won't work.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/177520-board-rules-please-read/

 

[Mavis]

Brady eventually missed 4 games. Zeke is not Brady. They'll push that appeal through in a day and uphold.

It may get dropped to 4 on an appeal but 6 game sis way too much, thats half the fantasy reg season. 

He may post rewards late, but you got to get their first and taking him in the first couple rounds still may be steep in any redraft, no?

He may be a stud, but no contact with your team for 6 weeks will put you behind a bit. 

 

[jmo87usc]

I'm still taking him round 1

Too many sure things in the first round, barring injury of course.  No way I take zero points for 6 games just to get a 5 point advantage in the second half of the season over the guy I would have taken.

Guys I take before him - DJ, Bell, McCoy, Murray, Howard, Ajayi, Freeman, Gordon, AB, OBJ, Evans, Nelson, Julio, AJ Green, Cooks, Cooper maybe even Hilton, Thomas, Baldwin.

That's 20 guys.  May be a few more.  6 games is a long time and your season could be shot by then unless you are a fantastic drafter in a league of mediocre drafters.  Too risky

 

[Mavis]

Guessing he is 2nd Round in redraft now.  And I think the back to own is Morris who has fresh legs. 

You would still take him in the 2nd? Thats gutsy. 

 

[Weebs210]

Why does everyone think McFadden is the starter. Morris is the play.

 

[Bayhawks]

If it's for domestic violence, the league is on much stronger ground than with Brady.  Don't They have a specific 6-game suspension for players involved in a domestic violence situation?  Brady was suspended for detrimental conduct or something?

 

[Mavis]

Why does everyone think McFadden is the starter. Morris is the play.

I agree, and those who are thinking about taking Elliott...He wont be able to play for you until week 8, because of week 7 bye. Ugh, He is a mid round pick at best right now. 

Let someone else take this mess now, in my opinion.

 

[dschuler]

Why does everyone think McFadden is the starter. Morris is the play.

I don't think McFadden could ever stay healthy for six games as a starter

 

[Mavis]

If it's for domestic violence, the league is on much stronger ground than with Brady.  Don't They have a specific 6-game suspension for players involved in a domestic violence situation?  Brady was suspended for detrimental conduct or something?

Yeah, he aint winning this, the best he can do is 4 games in an appeal since this was the league ruling.

Jerruh is throwing his gold shoes all over his office right now. 

 

[hoffman0001]

Why does everyone think McFadden is the starter. Morris is the play.

A. McFadden is a better fit to replace Elliot given his better receiving skills and speed. 

B. Jerry is a Razorback....that is a factor 

C. Morris was already on the roster bubble per many reports. 

D. Morris is a more predictable player for the defense than McFadden. 

My 2 cents, probably worth 1 cent 

 

[dschuler]

If it's for domestic violence, the league is on much stronger ground than with Brady.  Don't They have a specific 6-game suspension for players involved in a domestic violence situation?  Brady was suspended for detrimental conduct or something?

I thought it was 2 games for a first offense, maybe it changed

 

[barackdhouse]

Why does everyone think McFadden is the starter. Morris is the play.

You might be onto something, but I thought the Cowboys had DMC listed as the direct backup. As well as what has appeared to be consensus among the FF community. But to your point maybe that is a bad assumption. DMC is certainly a better receiver so I could see a situation where Morris is the early down guy and DMC is 3rd down. But Morris has also reportedly been on the roster bubble. Current bet would have to be on DMC but stay tuned I suppose.

 

[Weebs210]

You might be onto something, but I thought the Cowboys had DMC listed as the direct backup. As well as what has appeared to be consensus among the FF community. But to your point maybe that is a bad assumption. DMC is certainly a better receiver so I could see a situation where Morris is the early down guy and DMC is 3rd down. But Morris has also reportedly been on the roster bubble. Current bet would have to be on DMC but stay tuned I suppose.

Good points but this situation is fluid. These next couple weeks will be telling.

 

[Vanilla Guerrilla]

I don't think McFadden could ever stay healthy for six games as a starter

He did for one season.  Out of like 10 or so?  Sayin there's a chance.

 

[JoeSteeler]

I hope each of you get 37% of your salary in the next 12 months taken away by your employer for something you allegedly did. Not found guilty of doing, no arrests, no trials, no convictions ..... just because your employer wants to set an example and try to keep you in line 

I would go work someplace else

 

[richn]

Oh, I thought you were trying to talk about Zeke I did not know you were talking about your league.

Future reference, no one typically cares about yours/others league or team in that regard, its also part of the rules.

This is my particular situation, but many many people in the same or a similar spot.  You saying where he should go is any different??  Semantics my friend.  Stick to the topic.  I know the rules. I've been on this board for 13 years.

 

[Bayhawks]

I hope each of you get 37% of your salary in the next 12 months taken away by your employer for something you allegedly did. Not found guilty of doing, no arrests, no trials, no convictions ..... just because your employer wants to set an example and try to keep you in line 

And I hope I get the chance to be paid an obscene amount of money TO PLAY A GAME, provided I agree to the contract negotiated by my labor union.

 

[NFL-ons]

As an owner, one can only hope his ability to perform fellatio rivals Leveon Bell's.  That guy has skated on so much.

 

[Ilov80s]

I have the first pick so if he comes back to me, I bite just fir the chance to make a playoff run with DJ+Zeke.

 

[Clifford]

A. McFadden is a better fit to replace Elliot given his better receiving skills and speed. 

B. Jerry is a Razorback....that is a factor 

C. Morris was already on the roster bubble per many reports. 

D. Morris is a more predictable player for the defense than McFadden. 

My 2 cents, probably worth 1 cent 

A. Debatable, McFadden has averaged under 4 ypc for a few seasons now

B Nonfactor

C Offseason

D Yeah, he can be predicted to eclipse 4 yards on most runs

Just joking with you but I think it's Alf: younger, healthier, better ypc in game action past two seasons. I think it starts with a split game 1 and it's Alf thereafter until week 8

 

[Ojaays]

If the league is citing DV, and they are, you can forget an appeal. It will be the full 6 games.

 

[Mavis]

This is my particular situation, but many many people in the same or a similar spot.  You saying where he should go is any different??  Semantics my friend.  Stick to the topic.  I know the rules. I've been on this board for 13 years.

Interesting response.

 

[Mavis]

If the league is citing DV, and they are, you can forget an appeal. It will be the full 6 games.

They are also saying if something happens again its banishment, thats not very good for his chances of winning an appeal. They must have audio of threats, thats what some are saying on twitter. So many rumors around this. Some truth to some of it. 

 

[pantherclub]

Guessing he is 2nd Round in redraft now.  And I think the back to own is Morris who has fresh legs. 

How in the hell do you figure 2nd rd?  6 games is an awful lot of ground to make up.

 

[espnespn]

I hope each of you get 37% of your salary in the next 12 months taken away by your employer for something you allegedly did. Not found guilty of doing, no arrests, no trials, no convictions ..... just because your employer wants to set an example and try to keep you in line 

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

All the Salty Haters loved it when the NFL punished the Patriots for Deflategate without any direct or circumstantial evidence.  A (non-Patriots fan) sports lawyer who knows a lot more about this than anyone on these forums explained it all, but all the Salty Haters chose to ignore it.

http://www.stradleylaw.com/patriots-draft-picks/

"No evidence exists that Tom Brady or anyone from the Patriots wanted balls deflated outside of the ranges dictated by the rules.  None. Zero. Nothing in thousands of pages of documents or testimony or found anywhere in the known universe."

"As a NFL fan, I shouldn’t want a results-oriented punishment created because the rest of the owners were mad at the Patriots and thought they were insufficiently punished for Spygate. Because next time it could involve my favorite team and players."

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

How in the hell do you figure 2nd rd?  6 games is an awful lot of ground to make up.

Agreed, plus a bye week so he's missing 7/13 regular season games. That's way too much for 2nd round.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

And I hope I get the chance to be paid an obscene amount of money TO PLAY A GAME, provided I agree to the contract negotiated by my labor union.

A game where 300 pound men try to rip off your head and bury you in the turf on every play?

 

[Bayhawks]

A game where 300 pound men try to rip off your head and bury you in the turf on every play?

That's the one.

 

[Bayhawks]

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

All the Salty Haters loved it when the NFL punished the Patriots for Deflategate without any direct or circumstantial evidence.  A (non-Patriots fan) sports lawyer who knows a lot more about this than anyone on these forums explained it all, but all the Salty Haters chose to ignore it.

http://www.stradleylaw.com/patriots-draft-picks/

"No evidence exists that Tom Brady or anyone from the Patriots wanted balls deflated outside of the ranges dictated by the rules.  None. Zero. Nothing in thousands of pages of documents or testimony or found anywhere in the known universe."

"As a NFL fan, I shouldn’t want a results-oriented punishment created because the rest of the owners were mad at the Patriots and thought they were insufficiently punished for Spygate. Because next time it could involve my favorite team and players."

Yeah, but I hate the Cowboys.

 

[hoffman0001]

A game where 300 pound men try to rip off your head and bury you in the turf on every play?

 I think that's a bit much. The League is not half as violent as it was 5 years ago due to safety changes. And players are making a lot more money. I'm sure if you were offered a game check to go out there (i think the average is around 25K per game), I think you would be out there in a heartbeat. 

 

[Hankmoody]

Lets assume the 6 games is going to happen and be upheld, what round does he drop to now?  No way I'm touching him in the first few rounds.

I take him in the 2nd in a flash from any draft position and I might still take him in the first.  I'm drafting a 3rd RB anyway, now I just know he'll get at least 6 starts.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I hope each of you get 37% of your salary in the next 12 months taken away by your employer for something you allegedly did. Not found guilty of doing, no arrests, no trials, no convictions ..... just because your employer wants to set an example and try to keep you in line 

It's interesting that this is the comparison you make because I think it works against you here.  People get suspended or put on probation from work all the time for stuff they weren't arrested for or convicted of doing.  There are far different standards for being employed than there are for not being in prison.

 

[whiskey7]

I hope each of you get 37% of your salary in the next 12 months taken away by your employer for something you allegedly did. Not found guilty of doing, no arrests, no trials, no convictions ..... just because your employer wants to set an example and try to keep you in line 

I get what you're saying, but you really cant compare a star NFL player with your average cubicle dweller. Zeke is subject to different rules than most humans. Its part of the gig.

 

[Buckna]

I have the first pick so if he comes back to me, I bite just fir the chance to make a playoff run with DJ+Zeke.

First thing I thought of as well. If you are drafting early you've got to be salivating at the thought of him being there at the turn. DJ or Bell plus a decent WR1 plus Zeke? Ouch.

Will depend on the league, but I agree with those that say he likely won't make it out of the 2nd round in a lot of drafts.

 

[whiskey7]

 I think that's a bit much. The League is not half as violent as it was 5 years ago due to safety changes. And players are making a lot more money. I'm sure if you were offered a game check to go out there (i think the average is around 25K per game), I think you would be out there in a heartbeat. 

I gotta respectfully disagree with the bolded. Yes, there have been some changes made in the name of player safety but the speed of the game and violence of the collisions is as extreme (if not more) as its ever been.

 

[Ilov80s]

First thing I thought of as well. If you are drafting early you've got to be salivating at the thought of him being there at the turn. DJ or Bell plus a decent WR1 plus Zeke? Ouch.

Will depend on the league, but I agree with those that say he likely won't make it out of the 2nd round in a lot of drafts.

Yeah or depending on who is available, you could just go total HR swing with DJ, Zeke, Gronk or Bell, Zeke, Rodgers.

 

[pantherclub]

I take him in the 2nd in a flash from any draft position and I might still take him in the first.  I'm drafting a 3rd RB anyway, now I just know he'll get at least 6 starts.

Thats a lot of points you are missing out on for a second rd pick.  I just dont see how you risk that for 6 games.  You are essentially letting him and his suspension dictate your draft strategy and that is never a good thing.  If you pick him in the 2nd like you said now all of a sudden you have to pick another RB a bit higher just to compensate.  I think I would let someone else deal with that headache. 

 

[pantherclub]

Yeah or depending on who is available, you could just go total HR swing with DJ, Zeke, Gronk or Bell, Zeke, Rodgers.

Its not a homerun if his missing 6 games.  That is more like a suicide squeeze.

 

[Weebs210]

Its not a homerun if his missing 6 games.  That is more like a suicide squeeze.

If your survive those 6 weeks though. 

 

[Hankmoody]

Thats a lot of points you are missing out on for a second rd pick.  I just dont see how you risk that for 6 games.  You are essentially letting him and his suspension dictate your draft strategy and that is never a good thing.  If you pick him in the 2nd like you said now all of a sudden you have to pick another RB a bit higher just to compensate.  I think I would let someone else deal with that headache. 

It doesn't change my draft strategy one bit. I take BPA.  He'll clearly be BPA.  I'm not taking a donut for 6 weeks, I still get to start someone.  I was going to take a 3rd RB anyway, now I just might start them.  Or I might not, because my 4th RB might have a better matchup.  Or my 5th RB might see his RBBC mate get hurt or suspended for 6 games.  Or someone on waivers is going to pop.  If some donkey is going to reach for McFadden or Morris that just means they left someone else on the board they shouldn't have like Latavius Murray or Terrance West so now I double-dip on getting talent value for the draft spot.

Draft day is not about filling your lineup.  It's about getting the most amount of talent.  You fill your lineup with trades and waiver moves.

 

[pantherclub]

^ but you are taking a donut from your 2nd rd pick for six weeks.  Sure you could start your rb3,4 but thats not the same (in theory) as a top dog you could get in the 2nd.  What would be a reach for Morris?  A round up maybe?  thats not really a donkey move.

Plus we are not even talking about if zeke gets in more trouble down the line this season.  The kid could be done all together.  From his actions the past year or so it doesnt sound like he makes the best choices.

 

[Hankmoody]

^ but you are taking a donut from your 2nd rd pick for six weeks.  Sure you could start your rb3,4 but thats not the same (in theory) as a top dog you could get in the 2nd.  What would be a reach for Morris?  A round up maybe?  thats not really a donkey move.

Plus we are not even talking about if zeke gets in more trouble down the line this season.  The kid could be done all together.  From his actions the past year or so it doesnt sound like he makes the best choices.

https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp?format=standard&year=2017&teams=12&view=draftboard

So for example you take what, Crowell in the 2nd?  And I take Blount in the 5th?  So for games 1-6 you matchup with Crowell over Blount, then for games 7-15 (especially games 13-15) I match up with Elliott over Crowell.  That doesn't scare me at all (and I'm a Crowell fan) and it's well worth the risk for the prize of getting EZE during a playoff run.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

I'm with @Hankmoody on the logic and strategy here. I value Zeke almost the same. I wouldn't take him in the top 3 but if he's available in the mid-late 2nd, I'm all over that. 

 

[Ojaays]

https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp?format=standard&year=2017&teams=12&view=draftboard

So for example you take what, Crowell in the 2nd?  And I take Blount in the 5th?  So for games 1-6 you matchup with Crowell over Blount, then for games 7-15 (especially games 13-15) I match up with Elliott over Crowell.  That doesn't scare me at all (and I'm a Crowell fan) and it's well worth the risk for the prize of getting EZE during a playoff run.

I get it, but at this point in time, I wouldn't discount another something coming up with Zeke, and then he's toast.

 

[hoffman0001]

I gotta respectfully disagree with the bolded. Yes, there have been some changes made in the name of player safety but the speed of the game and violence of the collisions is as extreme (if not more) as its ever been.

Based on what? Respectfully...The league has made many changes to improve the safety of the game. Besides every player has been made aware of the risks and each one decides to suit up. It's like when I see a 20 year old smoker....he knows the risks and he makes a choice to smoke.