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RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter JohnnyU
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He’d only be eligible to re-enter the draft if he is not signed by next years draft.
The Browns would get nothing.
Haslem spoke on it today, said he’s cautiously optimistic they eventually sign him but they are going to let the legal process play out.
So IMO only way he might not eventually sign with the Browns is if by next April he’s still not resolved his case or some super PR damaging issues come to light. Neither of these seem likely.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
His best bet is to sign, if he were to re-enter the draft he surely would not be selected anywhere near the 2nd round.
Actually did the same thing a few days ago in my only league that has taxi spots.
I drafted 3 rookie TE’s, Taylor, Ferguson and Arroyo and was going to put the last 2 on it moved Judkins onto it.
You keep saying this like it’s his decision to make and it’s not and won’t be until his case is resolved
B Maverick
Footballguy
Saw something the other day saying his best bet would be to settle his legal troubles, negotiate a suspension with the NFL and then sign with CLE. Not sure if that is all possible or what it would look like, they just speculated that could be the quickest way to get on the field.
He is a devy of mine in one league. Don't have to activate until week 6, but can put him on our "Red Shirt" spot. Means I hold his rights until next season unless I drop him. Can't trade or activate him from there. Its a salary cap league so I would have to sign him next season or drop before the league's draft.
I’d say that’s exactly the gameplan, though it’s possible Browns will sign him before the league suspends him. Just not before his legal case is settled.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
You are misinterpreting me. That is his best case scenario, I realize it is out of his control right now. It is his best bet at success to sign versus other options. Sorry I did not spell this out better.
I assume your recent posts are redraft driven. You still value him similarly to before in dynasty 11-13ish?
Correct, this is all redraft related since that's more time sensitive and I don't think he can begin serving any likely suspension until his case is resolved and that could be tomorrow or in months. Then factor in possibly no camp and delay that could bring in getting him up to speed. Just not looking attractive for this year unless the case is resolved soon.
In our league together I have Burden ranked as player 12 and I offered him for Judkins last week so still in that 11-13 range in dynasty.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Maybe this is why Rotoballer is saying he won’t play. The Browns don’t seem at all interested in signing him until the legal process has run its course.
Who knows how long that will take? He’s already missing camp.
Not saying Rotoballer is right (it probably is just for clicks) but they might not be wrong.
Discussed previously, maybe was another thread but in the format I mainly play, which is standard one start TEP FFPC, I'd have him with Golden and Burden making up players in the 11-13 tier.
So 11 is my direct answer for the earliest in that format, adjust QB and TE value for other formats.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
He’s damaged goods in my world. The price I would be willing to pay in a contract league would be lower than others. He’s got zero chance of seeing my roster for years to come.
eighsse2
Footballguy
He is pretty much tied with Egbuka at #8-9 for me. But kinda RB crazy league and I'm wayyyy deeper at WR than RB.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
He was my Plan A at the 1.5 for an RB-needy team. I posted in another thread that I've had thoughts of trading down for another asset and targeting him at this spot. I'm going to make myself abstain until my next pick at the 1.12. I think I'd be willing to roll the dice there. If not, so be it. Someone else's problem.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Just received an offer of Judkins for Fields in a superflex.
Leaves me with Purdy, TLaw, Rattler at QB but that Bijan, Jeanty, Judkins RB room sure is tempting.
My only hesitation is that they are going to dig into this kid and chances are he’s done some other ****ty things.
Leaves me with Purdy, TLaw, Rattler at QB but that Bijan, Jeanty, Judkins RB room sure is tempting.
My only hesitation is that they are going to dig into this kid and chances are he’s done some other ****ty things.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
If this is dynasty this is an auto accept. Redraft I would pass.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Dynasty. Not automatic for me.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am not sure why, Judkins will get another chance pretty much no matter what. If Fields isn't good this season he is going to be a career backup or out of the league, plus two franchises have already given up on him.
I think what he said was he's cautiously optimistic they will sign him.
The holdup is of course his legal situation. There is some PR involved with it all but the main thing is he's not going to see the field until his legal situation is resolved and the NFL is not going to suspend him until that's resolved either. Which means he'd be headed to paid time off via exempt list if he was under contract.
One thing that's been crazy to me over all of this who the Browns gave Schwesinger the fully guaranteed contract after just taking him a few spots over Judkins but apparently did not offer that to Judkins before he ran afoul of the law. He'd have eventually got it all guaranteed but Judkins holding out for that guarantee and the Browns not offering it earlier might cost him a good chunk of change while saving the Browns some coin.
When this is all settled I'll be curious to see what he signs for. Will he still l ask for full guarantees in light of the players picked right after him got it? Or will he not even be able to ask for typical pay for his draft slot?
Either way every time I see this thread bumped I'm hoping for an update on his legal situation. That's holding everything up.
RC94
Footballguy
I get that his legal situation is a major part of the holdup, but what I meant was has he been offered a contract? It sounds like he has, but he's holding out because it's not fully guaranteed. IMO it would be best for him to sign and take his paid punishment. If the guarantees are what's holding this up, Judkins' agent should get him to be realistic with his legal situation and sign and get his career started.
He may have been offered a contract he did not want to accept over guarantees prior to his legal situation but that is no longer the case.
At this point the Browns are not offering him anything until his legal situation is resolved.
He is not holding out or haggling over guarantees now. There is no contract of paid leave available for him at this time.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
If there is no more to the Judkins story then I agree with you. I sure hope there isn’t but sometimes other things come to the surface.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Ever since Hernandez, Watson and a few other players, NFL teams have and social media outlets have found out and known everything about these athletes.
Is there a chance more comes out? Sure, but probably very slim. We have 6ish years of tape on Fields and he hasn't been very good.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Agree.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't care for Skattebo but I think I jump on that offer.
Dez
Footballguy
That was the exact trade that happened a week ago in my FFPC league
Dez
Footballguy
With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You might be right, but my gut told me otherwise. I don't think I'd trade him unless for a 1st, or some other deal. I'm not ccompletely in on Skateebo. I'm not out on him either, but Skattebo and a 2nd doesn't do it for me, even with Judkins' trouble. I took Judkins at the 1.06 several years ago, so I not only have draft capital on him, he has been on my roster for a few years. I might as well see what happens long term. I'm not the panicking type.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Yeah I'm pretty much with you. At the moment I wouldn't be super worried about him. If you put a numerical value on the guy, yes it absolutely has to be a lesser number now than pre-situation. But back then he was anywhere from the RB3-6 of the class, and probably closer to 3 than 6. He's still a fantastic prospect. Unless I hear some truly damning news he's still my RB6 of the class at worst. I would not even call it an insane take to say he's the RB3.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right or wrong, DV is looked at differently than what Rice did. Kamara beat up a guy. Different. The Browns just went through all this drama with Watson so they might approach this differently than other organizations. And finally, this is the very rare situation where Judkins technically is not an NFL player yet. He has not signed a contract. We have never seen something like this (that I am aware of) and the Browns might just say we aren't going to give you a cent until the legal stuff is settled. Then there could a suspension on top of it and now where are we?
I can't say I've seen anyone that feels this way, at most a few people who said they'd not touch him.
Reasonable expectation is he's going to get a 6 game suspension but major concern emanates from Watson missing 28 games and Antonio Brown missing 24 games despite only officially getting 11 and 8 game suspensions due to leagues penchant for using exempt list or threat of it to put you away if the PR of you playing is uncomfortable until your case is resolved and then they can suspend you.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
One other thing. I'd rather be wrong about refusing this deal and Judkins is out of football, than be wrong about taking this deal and Judkins is a stud and Skattebo isn't very good.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep I think that is the evaluation everyone with Judkins has to make. Which side are you more worried about being on. I got Judkins for the 1st that I received for moving James Cook last year and obviously after the draft felt like it was a huge win. Now, I am looking at my team which is very good and could certainly contend this year thinking hmmm James Cook sure would look nice plugged into my lineup.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You have to ask yourself. Which would make me feel worse, having a 1st round pick of mine get kicked out of football, or panic and feel like an idiot for accepting a lesser player + 2nd round pick and Judkins becomes a very good player in fantasy, whether soon, or down the road? I can mentailly chalk the former as bad luck and move on. The latter would sting a lot worse.
Right call. Easy call.
He is under no threat to be out of football. Could serve a 2 year suspension(he won't) and still be the same age as Skatteboo is now and most of all he's just better.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
2 years out of football and I don't care how old he is, his career would be in major major trouble. Football shape is just different and being out of the spot for that long is bad bad news.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right, he probably won't but what if no team is willing to sign him until the legal case settles and then he gets an NFL suspension. That could be 2 years.
No I don't think that's a realistic scenario you are painting.
Worst case his case is not settled for a few months and a suspension bleeds a few games into next season. I doubt that's the case but again that's as bad as it could be for him. The most realistic scenario is he's playing later this season.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Well if he has both that is one in the same.
edited: was told you were likely being sarcastic. Well done, sir.
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