RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (3 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

Rookie draft starting today … up to pick 5 in the first round and no hint of Judkins yet.

I’m sitting on 1.12, 2.1, 2.3, 2.4, 2.7 and trying to determine where the reward outweighs the risk.

I should also add I have Derrius Guice PTSD on this particular team.

I wouldn't take him at 1.12, but would consider it at 2.1

Well if he has both that is one and the same.

I think that was thus the wink.

 

[Ilov80s]

Was offered Skattebo and a 2nd for Judkins in a DEVY league and it just didn’t feel right to me.

I don't care for Skattebo but I think I jump on that offer.

You might be right, but my gut told me otherwise. I don't think I'd trade him unless for a 1st, or some other deal. I'm not ccompletely in on Skateebo. I'm not out on him either, but Skattebo and a 2nd doesn't do it for me, even with Judkins' trouble. I took Judkins at the 1.06 several years ago, so I not only have draft capital on him, he has been on my roster for a few years. I might as well see what happens long term. I'm not the panicking type.

One other thing. I'd rather be wrong about refusing this deal and Judkins is out of football, than be wrong about taking this deal and Judkins is a stud and Skattebo isn't very good.

Right call. Easy call.

He is under no threat to be out of football. Could serve a 2 year suspension(he won't) and still be the same age as Skatteboo is now and most of all he's just better.

2 years out of football and I don't care how old he is, his career would be in major major trouble. Football shape is just different and being out of the spot for that long is bad bad news.

Right, he probably won't but what if no team is willing to sign him until the legal case settles and then he gets an NFL suspension. That could be 2 years.

No I don't think that's a realistic scenario you are painting.

Worst case his case is not settled for a few months and a suspension bleeds a few games into next season. I doubt that's the case but again that's as bad as it could be for him. The most realistic scenario is he's playing later this season.

Why do you think the case can't drag out more than a few months? If it goes to court, those things seem to often take well over a year.

 

[menobrown]

Was offered Skattebo and a 2nd for Judkins in a DEVY league and it just didn’t feel right to me.

I don't care for Skattebo but I think I jump on that offer.

You might be right, but my gut told me otherwise. I don't think I'd trade him unless for a 1st, or some other deal. I'm not ccompletely in on Skateebo. I'm not out on him either, but Skattebo and a 2nd doesn't do it for me, even with Judkins' trouble. I took Judkins at the 1.06 several years ago, so I not only have draft capital on him, he has been on my roster for a few years. I might as well see what happens long term. I'm not the panicking type.

One other thing. I'd rather be wrong about refusing this deal and Judkins is out of football, than be wrong about taking this deal and Judkins is a stud and Skattebo isn't very good.

Right call. Easy call.

He is under no threat to be out of football. Could serve a 2 year suspension(he won't) and still be the same age as Skatteboo is now and most of all he's just better.

2 years out of football and I don't care how old he is, his career would be in major major trouble. Football shape is just different and being out of the spot for that long is bad bad news.

Right, he probably won't but what if no team is willing to sign him until the legal case settles and then he gets an NFL suspension. That could be 2 years.

No I don't think that's a realistic scenario you are painting.

Worst case his case is not settled for a few months and a suspension bleeds a few games into next season. I doubt that's the case but again that's as bad as it could be for him. The most realistic scenario is he's playing later this season.

Why do you think the case can't drag out more than a few months? If it goes to court, those things seem to often take well over a year.

I think you got some Chicken Little syndrome right now. It's a misdeamanor charge for someone with no priors. Just don't think it's realistic to think it's going to take that long, especially someone with strong legal representation who will likely push for a deal.

 

[Ilov80s]

Was offered Skattebo and a 2nd for Judkins in a DEVY league and it just didn’t feel right to me.

I don't care for Skattebo but I think I jump on that offer.

You might be right, but my gut told me otherwise. I don't think I'd trade him unless for a 1st, or some other deal. I'm not ccompletely in on Skateebo. I'm not out on him either, but Skattebo and a 2nd doesn't do it for me, even with Judkins' trouble. I took Judkins at the 1.06 several years ago, so I not only have draft capital on him, he has been on my roster for a few years. I might as well see what happens long term. I'm not the panicking type.

One other thing. I'd rather be wrong about refusing this deal and Judkins is out of football, than be wrong about taking this deal and Judkins is a stud and Skattebo isn't very good.

Right call. Easy call.

He is under no threat to be out of football. Could serve a 2 year suspension(he won't) and still be the same age as Skatteboo is now and most of all he's just better.

2 years out of football and I don't care how old he is, his career would be in major major trouble. Football shape is just different and being out of the spot for that long is bad bad news.

Right, he probably won't but what if no team is willing to sign him until the legal case settles and then he gets an NFL suspension. That could be 2 years.

No I don't think that's a realistic scenario you are painting.

Worst case his case is not settled for a few months and a suspension bleeds a few games into next season. I doubt that's the case but again that's as bad as it could be for him. The most realistic scenario is he's playing later this season.

Why do you think the case can't drag out more than a few months? If it goes to court, those things seem to often take well over a year.

I think you got some Chicken Little syndrome right now. It's a misdeamanor charge for someone with no priors. Just don't think it's realistic to think it's going to take that long, especially someone with strong legal representation who will likely push for a deal.

Maybe. I know we had a little exchange before the arrest where I said it's no foregone conclusion yet that Judkins is going to fill the role they drafted him. Others said his draft capital guaranteed that he was going to way past Ford and Sampson in the pecking order. I brought up nothing is for sure and often unexpected things happen. Well an unexpected thing happened.

 

[menobrown]

Was offered Skattebo and a 2nd for Judkins in a DEVY league and it just didn’t feel right to me.

I don't care for Skattebo but I think I jump on that offer.

You might be right, but my gut told me otherwise. I don't think I'd trade him unless for a 1st, or some other deal. I'm not ccompletely in on Skateebo. I'm not out on him either, but Skattebo and a 2nd doesn't do it for me, even with Judkins' trouble. I took Judkins at the 1.06 several years ago, so I not only have draft capital on him, he has been on my roster for a few years. I might as well see what happens long term. I'm not the panicking type.

One other thing. I'd rather be wrong about refusing this deal and Judkins is out of football, than be wrong about taking this deal and Judkins is a stud and Skattebo isn't very good.

Right call. Easy call.

He is under no threat to be out of football. Could serve a 2 year suspension(he won't) and still be the same age as Skatteboo is now and most of all he's just better.

2 years out of football and I don't care how old he is, his career would be in major major trouble. Football shape is just different and being out of the spot for that long is bad bad news.

Right, he probably won't but what if no team is willing to sign him until the legal case settles and then he gets an NFL suspension. That could be 2 years.

No I don't think that's a realistic scenario you are painting.

Worst case his case is not settled for a few months and a suspension bleeds a few games into next season. I doubt that's the case but again that's as bad as it could be for him. The most realistic scenario is he's playing later this season.

Why do you think the case can't drag out more than a few months? If it goes to court, those things seem to often take well over a year.

I think you got some Chicken Little syndrome right now. It's a misdeamanor charge for someone with no priors. Just don't think it's realistic to think it's going to take that long, especially someone with strong legal representation who will likely push for a deal.

Maybe. I know we had a little exchange before the arrest where I said it's no foregone conclusion yet that Judkins is going to fill the role they drafted him. Others said his draft capital guaranteed that he was going to way past Ford and Sampson in the pecking order. I brought up nothing is for sure and often unexpected things happen. Well an unexpected thing happened.

Actually I rememeber that but in a different context then you.

What I recall is you were making a mountain out a mole hill about him not being signed and as we know had this not happened that was a nothingburger. You are doing the same thing again, making something bigger then it needs to be.

And something unexpected can come up with every single player in the history of the game. I'm not sure were you are trying to go with that but if you think you "called this" I'm going to hard disagree.

I mean you no slight, you are one of the "good guys" here, but I think you are wildy off base and making things way bigger then they are,,,,again.

 

[JohnnyU]

Was offered Skattebo and a 2nd for Judkins in a DEVY league and it just didn’t feel right to me.

I don't care for Skattebo but I think I jump on that offer.

You might be right, but my gut told me otherwise. I don't think I'd trade him unless for a 1st, or some other deal. I'm not ccompletely in on Skateebo. I'm not out on him either, but Skattebo and a 2nd doesn't do it for me, even with Judkins' trouble. I took Judkins at the 1.06 several years ago, so I not only have draft capital on him, he has been on my roster for a few years. I might as well see what happens long term. I'm not the panicking type.

One other thing. I'd rather be wrong about refusing this deal and Judkins is out of football, than be wrong about taking this deal and Judkins is a stud and Skattebo isn't very good.

Right call. Easy call.

He is under no threat to be out of football. Could serve a 2 year suspension(he won't) and still be the same age as Skatteboo is now and most of all he's just better.

2 years out of football and I don't care how old he is, his career would be in major major trouble. Football shape is just different and being out of the spot for that long is bad bad news.

Right, he probably won't but what if no team is willing to sign him until the legal case settles and then he gets an NFL suspension. That could be 2 years.

No I don't think that's a realistic scenario you are painting.

Worst case his case is not settled for a few months and a suspension bleeds a few games into next season. I doubt that's the case but again that's as bad as it could be for him. The most realistic scenario is he's playing later this season.

Why do you think the case can't drag out more than a few months? If it goes to court, those things seem to often take well over a year.

I think you got some Chicken Little syndrome right now. It's a misdeamanor charge for someone with no priors. Just don't think it's realistic to think it's going to take that long, especially someone with strong legal representation who will likely push for a deal.

Maybe. I know we had a little exchange before the arrest where I said it's no foregone conclusion yet that Judkins is going to fill the role they drafted him. Others said his draft capital guaranteed that he was going to way past Ford and Sampson in the pecking order. I brought up nothing is for sure and often unexpected things happen. Well an unexpected thing happened.

Actually I rememeber that but in a different context then you.

What I recall is you were making a mountain out a mole hill about him not being signed and as we know had this not happened that was a nothingburger. You are doing the same thing again, making something bigger then it needs to be.

And something unexpected can come up with every single player in the history of the game. I'm not sure were you are trying to go with that but if you think you "called this" I'm going to hard disagree.

I mean you no slight, you are one of the "good guys" here, but I think you are wildy off base and making things way bigger then they are,,,,again.

Group hug

 

[Ilov80s]

Was offered Skattebo and a 2nd for Judkins in a DEVY league and it just didn’t feel right to me.

I don't care for Skattebo but I think I jump on that offer.

You might be right, but my gut told me otherwise. I don't think I'd trade him unless for a 1st, or some other deal. I'm not ccompletely in on Skateebo. I'm not out on him either, but Skattebo and a 2nd doesn't do it for me, even with Judkins' trouble. I took Judkins at the 1.06 several years ago, so I not only have draft capital on him, he has been on my roster for a few years. I might as well see what happens long term. I'm not the panicking type.

One other thing. I'd rather be wrong about refusing this deal and Judkins is out of football, than be wrong about taking this deal and Judkins is a stud and Skattebo isn't very good.

Right call. Easy call.

He is under no threat to be out of football. Could serve a 2 year suspension(he won't) and still be the same age as Skatteboo is now and most of all he's just better.

2 years out of football and I don't care how old he is, his career would be in major major trouble. Football shape is just different and being out of the spot for that long is bad bad news.

Right, he probably won't but what if no team is willing to sign him until the legal case settles and then he gets an NFL suspension. That could be 2 years.

No I don't think that's a realistic scenario you are painting.

Worst case his case is not settled for a few months and a suspension bleeds a few games into next season. I doubt that's the case but again that's as bad as it could be for him. The most realistic scenario is he's playing later this season.

Why do you think the case can't drag out more than a few months? If it goes to court, those things seem to often take well over a year.

I think you got some Chicken Little syndrome right now. It's a misdeamanor charge for someone with no priors. Just don't think it's realistic to think it's going to take that long, especially someone with strong legal representation who will likely push for a deal.

Maybe. I know we had a little exchange before the arrest where I said it's no foregone conclusion yet that Judkins is going to fill the role they drafted him. Others said his draft capital guaranteed that he was going to way past Ford and Sampson in the pecking order. I brought up nothing is for sure and often unexpected things happen. Well an unexpected thing happened.

Actually I rememeber that but in a different context then you.

What I recall is you were making a mountain out a mole hill about him not being signed and as we know had this not happened that was a nothingburger. You are doing the same thing again, making something bigger then it needs to be.

And something unexpected can come up with every single player in the history of the game. I'm not sure were you are trying to go with that but if you think you "called this" I'm going to hard disagree.

I mean you no slight, you are one of the "good guys" here, but I think you are wildy off base and making things way bigger then they are,,,,again.

Perhaps my point wasn’t well presented there. I was just saying things happen and just because guys get drafted to fill a certain role, we can’t ever just definitively say that is what will happen. Fantasy is fully of surprises. But thanks, I certainly have no hard feelings about our discussions here and as someone with Judkins in dynasty, I do hope you’re right.

 

[JFS171]

Judkins went 1.12 (I had previously traded it to move up). Just FYI ...

 

[RC94]

Is there a deadline for rookies to sign before they have to sit out the season and re-enter next year's draft?

ETA - I found this -

• If a rookie doesn't sign by August 6th, they are restricted from being traded to another team.
• After that date, the drafting team maintains exclusive negotiating rights with the player until the following year's draft.

 

[TripItUp]

He's such a great pick in dynasty right now if you don't need him this year. Absolute steal in the late 1st.

 

[King of the Jungle]

He's such a great pick in dynasty right now if you don't need him this year. Absolute steal in the late 1st.

This “may” prove to be true, thought he was the second best RB in this draft. Time will tell how this plays out and if he grows from it. At this point I took him at 1.06 and am stuck with him.

 

[JohnnyU]

He's such a great pick in dynasty right now if you don't need him this year. Absolute steal in the late 1st.

This “may” prove to be true, thought he was the second best RB in this draft. Time will tell how this plays out and if he grows from it. At this point I took him at 1.06 and am stuck with him.

I had him as the 5th best RB in the class

He's such a great pick in dynasty right now if you don't need him this year. Absolute steal in the late 1st.

This “may” prove to be true, thought he was the second best RB in this draft. Time will tell how this plays out and if he grows from it. At this point I took him at 1.06 and am stuck with him.

I have him as the 5th best RB in the class behind Jeanty, Hampton, Henderson. and Johnson. IMO he's a lot closer to Johnson than Henderson.

 

[KellysHeroes]

With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?

I can't say I've seen anyone that feels this way, at most a few people who said they'd not touch him.

Reasonable expectation is he's going to get a 6 game suspension but major concern emanates from Watson missing 28 games and Antonio Brown missing 24 games despite only officially getting 11 and 8 game suspensions due to leagues penchant for using exempt list or threat of it to put you away if the PR of you playing is uncomfortable until your case is resolved and then they can suspend you.

I don't think anyone is comfortable with saying it out loud... but lets be honest, what Rice did WAS way worst in the terms of the law which is why they went after him with 8 felonies and hes going to do jail time.

 

[menobrown]

With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?

I can't say I've seen anyone that feels this way, at most a few people who said they'd not touch him.

Reasonable expectation is he's going to get a 6 game suspension but major concern emanates from Watson missing 28 games and Antonio Brown missing 24 games despite only officially getting 11 and 8 game suspensions due to leagues penchant for using exempt list or threat of it to put you away if the PR of you playing is uncomfortable until your case is resolved and then they can suspend you.

I don't think anyone is comfortable with saying it out loud... but lets be honest, what Rice did WAS way worst in the terms of the law which is why they went after him with 8 felonies and hes going to do jail time.

No doubt what Rice did was worse in the eyes of the law. That is not something debatable though he likely will never do jail time.

This is why the NFL suspension/exempt list has always bothered me, because it's a bunch of PR driven BS. The punishment has never been meted out in line with the crime but in line with how much PR blowback the crime or incident involves.

Females make up a large rooting interest in NFL games and girls flag football is a growing sport. So anything that gives people a platform to say "the NFL does not care about women" has to be nipped. That' why AB and Watson got banished but Rice kept on playing because there is no special interest group out there raising a stink over Rice, Jennry Vrentas did not roll through town doing one of her (hit) pieces on Rice. But if the Brown signed Judkins and tried to roll him out in week one the NFL would certainly step in and find a way to remove him from the field to buy time for the legal process to play out so they can suspend him.

It's just all a PR game.

 

[Terpman22]

With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?

I can't say I've seen anyone that feels this way, at most a few people who said they'd not touch him.

Reasonable expectation is he's going to get a 6 game suspension but major concern emanates from Watson missing 28 games and Antonio Brown missing 24 games despite only officially getting 11 and 8 game suspensions due to leagues penchant for using exempt list or threat of it to put you away if the PR of you playing is uncomfortable until your case is resolved and then they can suspend you.

I don't think anyone is comfortable with saying it out loud... but lets be honest, what Rice did WAS way worst in the terms of the law which is why they went after him with 8 felonies and hes going to do jail time.

No doubt what Rice did was worse in the eyes of the law. That is not something debatable though he likely will never do jail time.

This is why the NFL suspension/exempt list has always bothered me, because it's a bunch of PR driven BS. The punishment has never been meted out in line with the crime but in line with how much PR blowback the crime or incident involves.

Females make up a large rooting interest in NFL games and girls flag football is a growing sport. So anything that gives people a platform to say "the NFL does not care about women" has to be nipped. That' why AB and Watson got banished but Rice kept on playing because there is no special interest group out there raising a stink over Rice, Jennry Vrentas did not roll through town doing one of her (hit) pieces on Rice. But if the Brown signed Judkins and tried to roll him out in week one the NFL would certainly step in and find a way to remove him from the field to buy time for the legal process to play out so they can suspend him.

It's just all a PR game.

You're not wrong here. Its a business first, entertainment 2nd, then its a game. They are primarily 100% invested in keeping that image there b/c you always have the fear of congress getting involved and trying to change the Anti Trust laws if its gets too outta hand.

There is never going to be a "fair and just" system within the NFL b/c of these factors, IMO.

 

[darksideofoz]

Where I work would somewhat be the same. They don't have to wait for the full legal process to play out before firing you for any, or no, reason. I've tried to impress on HR that our company policy shouldn't require notifying the company for only charges being levied as that is a very low threshold, but they are extremely dumb and overly sensitive when someone points out something is wrong. If the possible PR is bad, and you aren't in a certain echelon in the company, yo butt is as good as gone.

 

[rockaction]

With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?

knell, buddy. death knell. I always gotcha back if you need a proofreader.

 

[smbkrypt24]

With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?

knell, buddy. death knell. I always gotcha back if you need a proofreader.

You people are too smart for me

 

[rockaction]

With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?

knell, buddy. death knell. I always gotcha back if you need a proofreader.

You people are too smart for me

that’s my Rodin impersonation in your emoji rectangle because that’s who I am.

 

[smbkrypt24]

With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?

knell, buddy. death knell. I always gotcha back if you need a proofreader.

You people are too smart for me

that’s my Rodin impersonation in your emoji rectangle because that’s who I am.

Had to google that too

 

[rockaction]

With all the stuff NFL players have done in the past 5 years this is the death nail for a player ? Seems like most of you think this way. His career over ?
This is worse than Rice hit and run ? Kamara beating the piss out of someone ? Plus all the others that are still playing ?

knell, buddy. death knell. I always gotcha back if you need a proofreader.

You people are too smart for me

that’s my Rodin impersonation in your emoji rectangle because that’s who I am.

Had to google that too

I wouldn’t know it if my intern-turned-buddy hadn’t gotten me a mini replica of it. It was a bit of nineties irony because we worked at what they call a “think tank.” That place let me read for five years straight, so I’d better know at least three esoteric things. Oh yeah, and I was about 3/4 of the way down the intelligence totem pole there and maybe more like 7/8ths.

 

[Aznflyer14]

A little more than month to go before first week of regular season, Any latest update on Judkins? What's the prognosis of his status (legal, contract, etc)? I'm already preparing the worst-case scenario (multiple game suspension) but the question is... when will it begin?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Domestic Violence charges already, I'll pass

 

[KellysHeroes]

A little more than month to go before first week of regular season, Any latest update on Judkins? What's the prognosis of his status (legal, contract, etc)? I'm already preparing the worst-case scenario (multiple game suspension) but the question is... when will it begin?

Honestly, he's lucky if he gets to play 8 games this yr. Still only 21 and healthy so even if its a lost season he can bounce back. Chalk it up to lessons learned... and if it happens again! Kid gotta find a new career

 

[Winning IS Everything]

This was just on the news wire....

Browns RB Quinshon Judkins waived his right to a speedy trial, which could push the case into 2026.
Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said he was “cautiously optimistic” that Judkins would play in 2025, but that outcome now appears less likely. The second-round rookie remains unsigned as he awaits trial for his domestic battery arrest.

 

[TheWinz]

What does this recent news really mean? Is he now more or less likely to play this year?

 

[King of the Jungle]

What does this recent news really mean? Is he now more or less likely to play this year?

I doubt the Browns offer a contract until the legal matter is over, less likely he plays this year based on that.

 

[scothawk]

Am i right if they dont sign him before next year's draft , then he goes back in?

 

[Faust]

Hayden Winks
Quinshon Judkins news. No speedy trial increases odds he misses significant time. Possibly all year. Browns likely won't sign him until this is settled because he'd just go to Commissoner's Exempt List.

Best case might be an unpredictable plea deal, then a 6 game suspension.

https://x.com/haydenwinks/status/1953515470323429422?s=61

Maybe I shouldn't say the Browns aren't likely to sign him shortly, they could at any point. But there is a history that he'd go on the Commissioner's Exempt List with the current allegations, which is a paid leave.

He needs case dropped and NFL investigation to not care.

https://x.com/haydenwinks/status/1953519982748327947?s=61

 

[rockaction]

Such a mess. Glad I didn’t have a first-round pick because I might have leveraged other picks or players to move up and get him (even though I learned not to do that the hard way with Kendre Miller).

Sorry to everybody that drafted him. This is tough luck. I’d be sick to my stomach. Once these guys miss a year they almost never get it back, but see Calvin Ridley (I would say Lev Bell but he stunk for the Jets and had lost just enough of a step to go from very good to barely adequate) and I’m sure there are others. It’s the jailed guys that never do.

Just not good news and pump Dylan Sampson’s tires on the way to Route 66 and fame.

 

[nightmare]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

 

[rockaction]

I also think Ilov the Chicken Little made some good points upthread that reinforced that as soon as these guys get in trouble with the law it’s time to consider trying to get equal value if you can. It might be time to consider less. If somebody godfathered me an offer for Ja’Marr Chase I would consider it. Any time a woman goes public and recants that means she isn’t likely looking to extort (though it could happen privately) and you ought take your warning with vitamins and get moving in moving him.

You can call it risk-averse but staring at a blank spot on your roster instead of three bonafides just makes you miss Christmas Eve dinner you’re so sick.

 

[rockaction]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

Uh, he’s not signed yet for a reason and fantasy scribes are saying year. Have you read the police report? Remember when the arbitrator said the witness against Zeke was “not credible” and he still caught six games?

This guy went back after he’d hit her and continued to beat her, leaving visible and presumably photographed bruises and wounds. Yeah, he is suspended a long time if they sign him.

NFL loves girls’ flag football and guys that beat the **** out of their girlfriend. No, wait. That’s not how that all goes, is it?

 

[Proteus]

Can anyone explain why in God's name he would waive his right to a speedy trial?

Has he decided he doesn't want to play tackle football now?

 

[Harjiran]

This dude is on my Do Not Draft list, I don't care how far he falls, he can be someone else's headache. I think he'll receive a significant suspension but even if he skates and plays well, I still don't want him on my team because I want to feel good about rooting for the players on my team, and I have a problem with what he did. Easy choice for me but to each his own.

 

[KellysHeroes]

This dude is on my Do Not Draft list, I don't care how far he falls, he can be someone else's headache. I think he'll receive a significant suspension but even if he skates and plays well, I still don't want him on my team because I want to feel good about rooting for the players on my team, and I have a problem with what he did. Easy choice for me but to each his own.

Let's not get crazy. 1st there still isn't any leaked evidence... only the police statement. 2nd, how much do you expect him to get suspended for? Watson and Tucker were suspended roughly 10 games and they were accused of sexual abuse by multiple women which i think all of us can agree is a lot worse

 

[Ray Barboni]

Doesn’t anyone think that he’s thinking of himself here? And not his career? He’s said previously that he was going to fight this aggressively. Now he’s waived his right to a speedy trial - which, I dunno, seems to me he believes he’s somehow “innocent” of these charges.

Do we have an admission of guilt? Just maybe he’s being setup by a scorned ex.

This whole thing sucks. But there’s got to be a reason his council is allowing this to be prolonged.

 

[JohnnyU]

What does this recent news really mean? Is he now more or less likely to play this year?

I doubt the Browns offer a contract until the legal matter is over, less likely he plays this year based on that.

See him in two years then?

 

[Penguin]

Drew Davenport weighs in X

 

[King of the Jungle]

What does this recent news really mean? Is he now more or less likely to play this year?

I doubt the Browns offer a contract until the legal matter is over, less likely he plays this year based on that.

See him in two years then?

Not sure, but I would not offer a contract to an employee who has never worked for me and is currently accused of hitting his girlfriend. No idea how this is going to play out, but the chances of Judkins thriving in the NFL are on a downward trajectory.

 

[Harjiran]

This dude is on my Do Not Draft list, I don't care how far he falls, he can be someone else's headache. I think he'll receive a significant suspension but even if he skates and plays well, I still don't want him on my team because I want to feel good about rooting for the players on my team, and I have a problem with what he did. Easy choice for me but to each his own.

Let's not get crazy. 1st there still isn't any leaked evidence... only the police statement. 2nd, how much do you expect him to get suspended for? Watson and Tucker were suspended roughly 10 games and they were accused of sexual abuse by multiple women which i think all of us can agree is a lot worse

I don't know if it's worse or not but none of it is good. Putting his hands on a woman cost Ray Rice his career. More will be revealed here, sure but I don't think there's a scenario that would make me feel good about having Judkins on my fantasy team, yet there are plenty of scenarios where his professional journey is basically over before it began because he couldn't handle his temper, or never learned how to handle disappointment or rejection or whatever.

 

[Dez]

Well the ball is in the Browns court now. I can't imagine they just want to throw away the 36th pick in the draft and let him go back in the draft next year especially considering that pick 36 was part of giving up Hunter.

I hate that exempt list because that just derails anything. Some players get to wait until legal process plays out and other players get completely screwed and "get paid" time off and then get suspended anyway but for us that ain't great.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Such a mess. Glad I didn’t have a first-round pick because I might have leveraged other picks or players to move up and get him (even though I learned not to do that the hard way with Kendre Miller).

Even before this incident happened, I would have said "don't". Not for a Brown. Almost everything that franchise touches turns to poop.

 

[Ilov80s]

Can anyone explain why in God's name he would waive his right to a speedy trial?

Has he decided he doesn't want to play tackle football now?

Yeah I’m not a lawyer. It seems like this something you would almost never want to waive.

 

[Jail]

Doesn’t anyone think that he’s thinking of himself here? And not his career? He’s said previously that he was going to fight this aggressively. Now he’s waived his right to a speedy trial - which, I dunno, seems to me he believes he’s somehow “innocent” of these charges.

Do we have an admission of guilt? Just maybe he’s being setup by a scorned ex.

This whole thing sucks. But there’s got to be a reason his council is allowing this to be prolonged.

Did he say he was going to fight it? Last time I read about it he had been fairly quiet on it. I did check out after I thankfully avoided having any shares.

It’s possible he opted out of the speedy trial if he is working on a settlement with his accuser. That would be his best option. Settle with the accuser and it becomes a lot harder to prosecute on the criminal side.

 

[menobrown]

Can anyone explain why in God's name he would waive his right to a speedy trial?

I’m assuming it’s to buy more time to work out a plea deal.

 

[Proteus]

Can anyone explain why in God's name he would waive his right to a speedy trial?

I’m assuming it’s to buy more time to work out a plea deal.

I began to gather that after reading that Drew Davenport X thread some posts back.

I want to believe that it's all going to go "poof" they settled and he's suspended for 4-6, and comes in with some mid-season fresh legs at an opportune time. But my internal hope generator is broken on this. I blame Derrius Guice.

 

[menobrown]

Did he say he was going to fight it? Last time I read about it he had been fairly quiet on it.

No he did not say that or anything. It’s been one of the stranger ways to handle an accusation from a PR angle in that he’s been stone cold silent. No statements, no “I did not do it” or “please don’t judge and let the legal process play out”.

Other then his attorney in his actual hearing saying the stuff like the bruises could have already existed and the state over reached there has not been a single word or confirmed sighting of him.

His mom works in law I think, fuzzy on those details if she works in a law office or is a lawyer, I think the former. Heard the attorney he hired is top notch. So maybe they know what they are doing but feel like they should have hired some PR help, even the guiltiest of the guilty are more adamant they did not do it.

My guess on his silence is that he’s trying to work on a settlement with the girl and perhaps feels going public with denials would agitate her. Just a guess but nothing else makes sense to me.

 

[zed2283]

Make sure to get an NDA.

 

[menobrown]

Can anyone explain why in God's name he would waive his right to a speedy trial?

I’m assuming it’s to buy more time to work out a plea deal.

I began to gather that after reading that Drew Davenport X thread some posts back.

I want to believe that it's all going to go "poof" they settled and he's suspended for 4-6, and comes in with some mid-season fresh legs at an opportune time. But my internal hope generator is broken on this. I blame Derrius Guice.

I lived through Guice as well and that stings but he did stuff that no one could ever associate with him again, even after he cleared some of it legally.

I will keep saying the realistic worst case scenario for Judkins is that he sits this year, case adjudicated in off-season, serves suspension of 6”ish games to begin 2026 season.

That’s awful, but I think it’s the worst case situation.