RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (2 Viewers)

[Interseptopus]

Most comments here should be constructive.  The comment you added to yours was not constructive at all and was an obvious attempt to egg on someone else.  Some people really enjoy going back and forth like that but in a forum like this it doesn't help when people come here for info.

I certainly don't appreciate it. It makes it difficult to have a legitimate conversation with someone. I am the least bit concerned about "winning" an argument. In fact, when I'm wrong I'm more than happy to admit to being so. I am wrong just as often as I am right. It frustrates me to try and have meaningful discussions with people who can't get over that and have to "win" or are "never wrong." I know I can come across as an "I'm right" kind of person sometimes but I certainly don't mean to. I'm happy to see Joe clear up the forums a bit... things have gotten a little out of control with some folks (and myself at times I can admit), so it's nice to see everyone reminded of how to behave. Joe warning people in threads is nice because it's a reminder not only to that person but to everyone, including me, to keep it excellent and constructive, not destructive 

 

[Mavis]

So others can see what we're doing. If you're unable to dial it back and that's "just your style", please find another board. 

  Wish you guys showed that you would do that to others who have been here since 2003. Was hoping for a little more discussion from you about this. I will try to do better to be able to post your football board. 

I'm glad to see Joe cleaning things up personally. People had gotten very Snarky and nasty over the past few years. Specially with people feel that this is "their" message board because they have the most posts, or someone is too "new", to have an opinion. I remember back in the day you would see people say things like "what do you know your a noob",. 

Keep it up Joe! 

Snark? gees. I mean since people are able to respond and say things, I have a feeling I cant really respond to them. Such a trap. 

 

[Mavis]

Most comments here should be constructive.  The comment you added to yours was not constructive at all and was an obvious attempt to egg on someone else.  Some people really enjoy going back and forth like that but in a forum like this it doesn't help when people come here for info.

I would use an emoticon but was told not to use those in another thread and am scared to say anything for fear of how it can be perceived. Not a very welcoming feeling to be a person who was considering buy a subscription, I mean, just confused especially seeing the names I have been called here and nothing been done about the direct insults. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

I would use an emoticon but was told not to use those in another thread and am scared to say anything for fear of how it can be perceived. Not a very welcoming feeling to be a person who was considering buy a subscription, I mean, just confused especially seeing the names I have been called here and nothing been done about the direct insults. 

Now you're just playing the victim.  If you don't know why you got called out then you can't be helped.  Look at the post I quoted before and explain what that last comment did to add to your post.  The original part or the post was good but then you made a jab at the other poster.  That's the part that wasn't needed.  It looked as if you were trying to pick a bit of a fight/debate.

 

[Mavis]

Now you're just playing the victim.  If you don't know why you got called out then you can't be helped.  Look at the post I quoted before and explain what that last comment did to add to your post.  The original part or the post was good but then you made a jab at the other poster.  That's the part that wasn't needed.  It looked as if you were trying to pick a bit of a fight/debate.

OMG, I'm just having a discussion. You decided to add your two sense to Joes warning. Why join and attack if you didnt want the discussion. What is going on? 

 

[Hawkeye21]

OMG, I'm just having a discussion. You decided to add your two sense to Joes warning. Why join and attack if you didnt want the discussion. What is going on? 

Not trying to attack.  It seemed you didn't know why you got called out and I thought I'd explain why because I noticed it right away. 

 

[Mavis]

Not trying to attack.  It seemed you didn't know why you got called out and I thought I'd explain why because I noticed it right away. 

Guess so, some are more sensitive to words than others so they read things differently. I do understand that. Seems I need to be more safe spacey. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

Guess so, some are more sensitive to words than others so they read things differently. I do understand that. Seems I need to be more safe spacey. 

I wasn't going to say anything at all about the comment originally but you asked.  My first though when I read your post was, what was the purpose of the extra comment.

There's nothing wrong with debating things on here, just not necessary to make little jabs like that at others, unless of course we all know we're just joking around.

 

[Mavis]

I wasn't going to say anything at all about the comment originally but you asked.  My first though when I read your post was, what was the purpose of the extra comment.

There's nothing wrong with debating things on here, just not necessary to make little jabs like that at others, unless of course we all know we're just joking around.

Well I kinda tried to finalize our discussion with my last remark, but I have to respond its what I do. I asked Joe about it and "you" chimed in to be clear. The purpose of the extra comment in that post was from him in another thread as he came to this thread to talk about another player to continue that debate here, me and him have been having a discussion. Again, assuming tone and context is such a slippery slope.

 

[hoffman0001]

Well I kinda tried to finalize our discussion with my last remark, but I have to respond its what I do. I asked Joe about it and "you" chimed in to be clear. The purpose of the extra comment in that post was from him in another thread as he came to this thread to talk about another player to continue that debate here, me and him have been having a discussion. Again, assuming tone and context is such a slippery slope.

It's like Porn....you can't define it but you know it when you see it. Your original post was clearly "snarky" which was Joe's concern. It all comes down to mutual respect. Can we have boards that allow mutual respect and the ability to disagree without making personal attacks. I think this is what Joe is looking for. 

you said....

smart alec guy you know who is harmless but just makes a remark every now and then.

How is someone supposed to know your "harmless"? Just don't be that guy and we don't have to figure out if your harmless. Yes the board might loose a few people who feel this is too restrictive, but as a whole the board will be a more enjoyable. place. Besides I'm pretty sure most of those who leave will see the lack of quality at other boards and return with a better attitude. 

 

[Mavis]

It's like Porn....you can't define it but you know it when you see it. Your original post was clearly "snarky" which was Joe's concern. It all comes down to mutual respect. Can we have boards that allow mutual respect and the ability to disagree without making personal attacks. I think this is what Joe is looking for. 

you said....

How is someone supposed to know your "harmless"? Just don't be that guy and we don't have to figure out if your harmless. Yes the board might loose a few people who feel this is too restrictive, but as a whole the board will be a more enjoyable. place. Besides I'm pretty sure most of those who leave will see the lack of quality at other boards and return with a better attitude. 

Dont read things from others with such an angry tone for starters.  For the most part, I wouldnt correlate any members attitude with quality of content for most boards. Content is content, I dont care how someone says it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Well I kinda tried to finalize our discussion with my last remark, but I have to respond its what I do. I asked Joe about it and "you" chimed in to be clear. The purpose of the extra comment in that post was from him in another thread as he came to this thread to talk about another player to continue that debate here, me and him have been having a discussion. Again, assuming tone and context is such a slippery slope.

He's been spot on. And I don't mean this to be heavy handed but this isn't a discussion. I"m asking you to dial back the tone. I think you're smart and that you know exactly what that means. If you can dial it back, great. If you cannot, or you don't understand or agree that you need to dial it back, please find another board. That's all I have to say on it. 

 

[hoffman0001]

I'm sorry. But he's been spot on. And I don't mean this to be heavy handed but this isn't a discussion. I"m asking you to dial back the tone. I think you're smart and that you know exactly what that means. If you can dial it back, great. If you cannot, or you don't understand or agree that you need to dial it back, please find another board. That's all I have to say on it. 

 

[Interseptopus]

It all comes down to mutual respect. Can we have boards that allow mutual respect and the ability to disagree without making personal attacks

Yeah this hits the nail right on the head Hoffman... This is something I'm going to (try to) remember from here on out before I make a post... Too bad they got rid of siggys because that quote right there would make a great signature as a reminder to everyone how to behave. 

 

[Dismattle]

He confronted me and brought up remarks from another thread, I cant tell him his point is wrong? 

I have had these discussion with mods of whats allowed and what isnt, I was told debate the points. This was just that, and it was a desperate attempt to do so. How are you assuming my tone here? Thats a slippery slope? I type a certain way, so I have to type words a certain way to post here? Assuming how a persons intent is through words is tough. 

I'm so confused with what some are allowed to post and what they say, yet what I said deserved this. Also, the way you come across the way of "keep posting here" is off putting man.  Its a website man, seems like the drama can be toned down. 

I'm not ever sure how you are going to respond to this, based of how you think my tone is. 

Also, why is it you do these warning publicly instead of PM? It seems you are begging for others to chime in and troll when they dont like someone, and that may be the point. 

I kinda enjoy seeing folks do their job..

While I agree its good to praise in public, and critique in private..  Think that's more when everyone knows the correct answer, and chooses to ignore. 

Basically the issue is for instance a brand new guy could see your salt, and chalk it up for learning!  

If try to listen to Joe, because I'm not too impressed..  This is the mans business, and you just decide to post publicly a critique?  After having said:  Why ya bein so Public?  LOL, I'm being rhetorical   (no response/  unless ya real young)

Lets stay on Football, because we all have patience for anything NFL!

 

[Dismattle]

I know I caused some amusement earlier, when I proposed to know the value of effected players with an actual six game suspension..  While Id like to know if six sounds more likely than one?  When I say one, I'm figuring a two game suspension could be reduced to one (possible?)

Once again the original talk back in Oct on this issue, involved a six game (mandatory?) suspension..  Now the NFL could be taking a wait n see approach on player activities.. I don't believe punching DJ's, while inebriated, was something any player could expect ignored..  Zeke may need Dez accommodations, because it aint looking good..   For the record, I do own Zeke in Dynasty!  So this post is mainly for discussion..  heck, maybe someone in my League owns the RB that I maybe, should want at the start of the Season?  Right now, I dunno if Id be all that interested, because I have a few other backs..  I know I wouldn't spend a WR, maybe another RB  West?  I dunno

(fwiw) I'm not really sure I could fathom, a complete six game suspension taking place..  But the League has played hardball w a WR who I believe is/was an outstanding talent.. So yeah, I know I don't have answers, because the NFL Commissioner doesn't always make sense to me

 

[Joe Bryant]

I know I caused some amusement earlier, when I proposed to know the value of effected players with an actual six game suspension..  While Id like to know if six sounds more likely than one?  When I say one, I'm figuring a two game suspension could be reduced to one (possible?)

Once again the original talk back in Oct on this issue, involved a six game (mandatory?) suspension..  Now the NFL could be taking a wait n see approach on player activities.. I don't believe punching DJ's, while inebriated, was something any player could expect ignored..  Zeke may need Dez accommodations, because it aint looking good..   For the record, I do own Zeke in Dynasty!  So this post is mainly for discussion..  heck, maybe someone in my League owns the RB that I maybe, should want at the start of the Season?  Right now, I dunno if Id be all that interested, because I have a few other backs..  I know I wouldn't spend a WR, maybe another RB  West?  I dunno

(fwiw) I'm not really sure I could fathom, a complete six game suspension taking place..  But the League has played hardball w a WR who I believe is/was an outstanding talent.. So yeah, I know I don't have answers, because the NFL Commissioner doesn't always make sense to me

Thanks Dismattle,

The inconsistency is what makes it so hard to predict. And frustrating. Interestingly, that had been our same problem in moderating the board consistently. Maybe the Commissioner should give us a call...

 

[Joe Bryant]

For a quick pulse on what some Twitter people are thinking, I threw out this poll. It's a few hundred people but it gives a snapshot of what folks are thinking. https://twitter.com/Football_Guys/status/887055785582374913

 

[Bojang0301]

In a note to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, fellow club-goer and witness, Michael Huffman, said Ezekiel Elliott was not the one who threw the punch and knocked out a man at a Dallas-area bar Sunday night.

"It didn't go down like that," said Huffman, who said he had a good view because he was close to Elliott. "Everybody is saying that, but he didn't throw the punch. ... Zeke was just standing there arms folded chilling feeling the crowd. Then I seen DJ getting loud toward the vicinity of Zeke and then I see an overhand right come over the back of Zeke shoulder that landed square in [DJ] DTrain’s face and he went to sleep. He didn't even see it. Then the crowd circled and dispersed. I'm surprised a whole video hasn’t been released yet." Take it for what it's worth. At this point, it's been a he said, she said ordeal. Video evidence is needed. Elliott still continues to put himself at the wrong place at the wrong time and needs to avoid situations like this.

 

[Dezbelief]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/fines-suspensions/

For anyone worried about it.

 

[Dezbelief]

2016 Dallas had 12 instances of a fine or suspension. 6 of those instances involved McClain or Gregory. 

2017 2 instances so far. 

 

[Dezbelief]

Teams with more instances

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NYG

PIT

SEA

Teams with the same 

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NYJ

 

[Alex P Keaton]

In a note to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, fellow club-goer and witness, Michael Huffman, said Ezekiel Elliott was not the one who threw the punch and knocked out a man at a Dallas-area bar Sunday night.

"It didn't go down like that," said Huffman, who said he had a good view because he was close to Elliott. "Everybody is saying that, but he didn't throw the punch. ... Zeke was just standing there arms folded chilling feeling the crowd. Then I seen DJ getting loud toward the vicinity of Zeke and then I see an overhand right come over the back of Zeke shoulder that landed square in [DJ] DTrain’s face and he went to sleep. He didn't even see it. Then the crowd circled and dispersed. I'm surprised a whole video hasn’t been released yet." Take it for what it's worth. At this point, it's been a he said, she said ordeal. Video evidence is needed. Elliott still continues to put himself at the wrong place at the wrong time and needs to avoid situations like this.

Love it.   Sounds like the team is finding "witnesses" to support the notion that Elliott did nothing wrong.  Wonder if this guy got paid.

Zeke needs to get his act together.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Zeke also has this going on from another stupid thing he did earlier in the year.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/frisco/2017/07/17/cowboys-elliott-appealing-conviction-speeding-100-mph-tollway-frisco

 

[gabes1919]

Zeke also has this going on from another stupid thing he did earlier in the year.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/frisco/2017/07/17/cowboys-elliott-appealing-conviction-speeding-100-mph-tollway-frisco

Knucklehead alert. I'm not the kind of person who panics after one blurb about a player but there's getting to be a lot of smoke around Elliott. He'll probably be ok in terms of his NFL career but I get the feeling he is going to be devalued in fantasy because of the fear that he will finally do something to get him in real trouble.

In regards to this upcoming year, he does not seem focused on football and staying clean this offseason. Heard that Dak Prescott commented that Zeke shouldn't have been in the body issue for ESPN. Sounds kind of weird but take into account all this other stuff, maybe Zeke just isn't focused in on the game like he should be and Dak is commenting on that.

 

[[icon]]

2016 Dallas had 12 instances of a fine or suspension. 6 of those instances involved McClain or Gregory. 

2017 2 instances so far. 

In THIS offseason (Mostly in the last month or two):

Elliott RB: Speeding +100mph, Domestic Assault, Two Car Crashes, Potential sexual assault (pulling woman's top up), potential assault (punching DJ out), hanging out in weed shops (not good optics in light of all the other stuff) 
Wilson LB - Arrested for assault with deadly weapon & possible weapons charge
Carroll CB - Arrested for DWI 
Lewis CB - Arrested for Domestic Violence 

Don't worry.. the fines and suspensions are coming

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

In THIS offseason (Mostly in the last month or two):

Elliott RB: Speeding +100mph, Domestic Assault, Two Car Crashes, Potential sexual assault (pulling woman's top up), potential assault (punching DJ out), hanging out in weed shops (not good optics in light of all the other stuff) 
Wilson LB - Arrested for assault with deadly weapon & possible weapons charge
Carroll CB - Arrested for DWI 
Lewis CB - Arrested for Domestic Violence 

Don't worry.. the fines and suspensions are coming

You seem to care a whole lot about the Cowboys. It's weird. 

 

[Shutout]

Everything I need to know at this point is hearing Jerry Jones say "i don't want to speculate".  Every freaking time he goes this route "I don't want to speculate on Tony coming back", "I don't wan to speculate on Greg Hardy", etc, it is bad news. 

 

[hoffman0001]

Love it.   Sounds like the team is finding "witnesses" to support the notion that Elliott did nothing wrong.  Wonder if this guy got paid.

Zeke needs to get his act together.

Sounds like Cowboy "security" is doing their job, greasing some hands and making this go away....that does not get rid of the Domestic Abuse accusation.....all these minor items do it make it harder for the commish to give Elliot the benefit of the doubt. If he had simply stayed away from trouble I'll bet that would have gone away by now. Now Elliot is the talk of every sports news cast, and the commish is forced to do SOMETHING.  

Again, look for 4 games suspension reduced to 3 by appeal. That's assuming he keeps clean which is not a given. The guy does not make good decisions. He should have put himself on house arrest along time ago. 

 

[hoffman0001]

Everything I need to know at this point is hearing Jerry Jones say "i don't want to speculate".  Every freaking time he goes this route "I don't want to speculate on Tony coming back", "I don't wan to speculate on Greg Hardy", etc, it is bad news. 

True....they guy get's all sweaty and his eye bug out when he knows the hammer is coming. His smooth talk does not hide his visual ticks. He knows his team has been under the radar too much and the commish will make an example of Elliot, likely to tell Jerry to get his house in order. 

 

[hoffman0001]

 l had 4 leagues where McFadden was sitting on the waivers a month ago, so I snatched him up. Last week, I offered him up to the Elliot owner for a 3rd round rookie pick in each league. One owner was smart enough to make the deal, the other 3 sent me emails saying they wanted me to lower the price (but did not decline the offer). Saying it was "too much" because I just picked him off waivers (Shame on them for not having McFadden on their bench). One of them even told me I should drop McFadden since it was the "right thing to do", . As of last night I removed all the offers....I figure the owners were letting it sit out there so they could hit accept if a suspension came down. 

I wonder if their hearts skipped a beat and they rushed to ESPN when they saw that notification in their email that the deal was withdrawn....

I'll just let them come to me when they are ready to deal, or I can just let them lose a few games while I have a nice flex.bye week start. This is feeling more and more like 3-4 games suspension. That means McFadden could start 4-5 games if there is also an injury....

If he is on the waiver wire, he won't be next week. Grab him! 

 

[Faust]

The Dallas PD investigation into Ezekiel Elliott's Sunday bar incident has been suspended.

Police haven't been able to locate the alleged victim in the case, and other witnesses are reportedly not cooperating. It's good news for Elliott, but the NFL is still doing it's own investigation. Elliott is facing a potential suspension for his off-field incidents.

Source: Rebecca Lopez on Twitter

 

[Bojang0301]

 l had 4 leagues where McFadden was sitting on the waivers a month ago, so I snatched him up. Last week, I offered him up to the Elliot owner for a 3rd round rookie pick in each league. One owner was smart enough to make the deal, the other 3 sent me emails saying they wanted me to lower the price (but did not decline the offer). Saying it was "too much" because I just picked him off waivers (Shame on them for not having McFadden on their bench). One of them even told me I should drop McFadden since it was the "right thing to do", . As of last night I removed all the offers....I figure the owners were letting it sit out there so they could hit accept if a suspension came down. 

I wonder if their hearts skipped a beat and they rushed to ESPN when they saw that notification in their email that the deal was withdrawn....

I'll just let them come to me when they are ready to deal, or I can just let them lose a few games while I have a nice flex.bye week start. This is feeling more and more like 3-4 games suspension. That means McFadden could start 4-5 games if there is also an injury....

If he is on the waiver wire, he won't be next week. Grab him! 

I doubt it, and that's fairly assumptive. Just as easily McFadden can get hurt and Alf Morris get the call IF there is even a suspension. I still haven't seen the NFL suspend a player for hearsay and speeding so this will be a first. 

 

[Dismattle]

I doubt it, and that's fairly assumptive. Just as easily McFadden can get hurt and Alf Morris get the call IF there is even a suspension. I still haven't seen the NFL suspend a player for hearsay and speeding so this will be a first. 

don't try an jinx us..  http://sportsnaut.com/2017/07/dante-fowler-racked-10-traffic-violations-past-20-months/  If Fowler is going to have a long career in the NFL, that’s something that will have to change in a hurry. Though, if the league office has anything to say about all this, he might have to wait a while to get back onto the field in the first place.

Sadly it almost appears as if "news" writers were already anticipating that angle..  That being driving offenses.  Seriously this could be stuff like tail light out, 10 mph over the speed limit  (just dumb luck)  However combined with the actual physical confrontation, it could start a precedence..  Its still kinda crazy though..  I mean in Zekes case at least, I mean we still call them 'accidents', even in cases of "preventable" accidents.  No clue of the type for Zeke, if ya ever really know..

 

[cockroach]

In McFadden's big year with Dallas 2 years ago he had a massive 3 touchdowns.  Two decent years in a 9 year career.  

 

[bostonfred]

In McFadden's big year with Dallas 2 years ago he had a massive 3 touchdowns.  Two decent years in a 9 year career.  

That's not entirely fair.

Joe Randle was the starter the first 5 weeks of that season, which included all four of Romo's games. McFadden began to take over in week 5 against the patriots, when he had a 9 reception game off the bench, and coming out of their week 6 bye he was the starter the rest of the way. 

Mcfadden ran for 4.6 yards per carry and averaged 108 total yards a game the rest of the way with 27 receptions in his final 11 games (36 in his final 12).  

You're right that he wasn't scoring a lot of touchdowns,  but it wasn't his fault the offense wasn't good.  The quarterbacks he played with were Matt Cassel (1-6)  Kellen Moore (0-2) and Brandon weeden (0-3). 

 

[Hankmoody]

 l had 4 leagues where McFadden was sitting on the waivers a month ago, so I snatched him up. Last week, I offered him up to the Elliot owner for a 3rd round rookie pick in each league. One owner was smart enough to make the deal, the other 3 sent me emails saying they wanted me to lower the price (but did not decline the offer). Saying it was "too much" because I just picked him off waivers (Shame on them for not having McFadden on their bench). One of them even told me I should drop McFadden since it was the "right thing to do", . As of last night I removed all the offers....I figure the owners were letting it sit out there so they could hit accept if a suspension came down. 

I wonder if their hearts skipped a beat and they rushed to ESPN when they saw that notification in their email that the deal was withdrawn....

I'll just let them come to me when they are ready to deal, or I can just let them lose a few games while I have a nice flex.bye week start. This is feeling more and more like 3-4 games suspension. That means McFadden could start 4-5 games if there is also an injury....

If he is on the waiver wire, he won't be next week. Grab him! 

You should offer him and a 4th for Allen Robinson.

 

[JohnnyU]

In a note to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, fellow club-goer and witness, Michael Huffman, said Ezekiel Elliott was not the one who threw the punch and knocked out a man at a Dallas-area bar Sunday night.

"It didn't go down like that," said Huffman, who said he had a good view because he was close to Elliott. "Everybody is saying that, but he didn't throw the punch. ... Zeke was just standing there arms folded chilling feeling the crowd. Then I seen DJ getting loud toward the vicinity of Zeke and then I see an overhand right come over the back of Zeke shoulder that landed square in [DJ] DTrain’s face and he went to sleep. He didn't even see it. Then the crowd circled and dispersed. I'm surprised a whole video hasn’t been released yet." Take it for what it's worth. At this point, it's been a he said, she said ordeal. Video evidence is needed. Elliott still continues to put himself at the wrong place at the wrong time and needs to avoid situations like this.

$$$$$

 

[hoffman0001]

$$$$$

So they greased this guys palm, who cares. Even if he was not involved, all this poor press is pushing him TOWARD an suspension. The Commish can see the Smoke around Elliot and the Cowboys organization and will send a message. You will see. 

 

[Interseptopus]

So they greased this guys palm, who cares. Even if he was not involved, all this poor press is pushing him TOWARD an suspension. The Commish can see the Smoke around Elliot and the Cowboys organization and will send a message. You will see. 

According to Adam Schefter, Zeke could be suspended for 1-2 games for a domestic violence incident in Ohio last year

That doesn't even include this new incident.

The more I look at this incident, the more confused I am. So Zeke's friend admits to this? Someone mentioned that earlier. But this unaffiliated person, Huffman, says he didn't? There's no surveillance video, but there is a video? 

Apparently the victim was so intoxicated he didn't even know who hit him when originally asked... I'm not so sure Zeke gets punished in this case, he may not even be guilty... or am I just terribly confused? 

The Dallas PD investigation into Ezekiel Elliott's Sunday bar incident has been suspended.

Police haven't been able to locate the alleged victim in the case, and other witnesses are reportedly not cooperating. It's good news for Elliott, but the NFL is still doing it's own investigation. Elliott is facing a potential suspension for his off-field incidents.

Source: Rebecca Lopez on Twitter

Sounds fishy to me... If Zeke did in fact punch this guy you'd think he'd be clamoring to get his pay day in a civil suit. My guess is the witnesses and the victim have been already offered a pay out to keep quiet.   I know, but nothing would surprise me when it comes to the NFL, and especially Jerrah Jones

 

[hoffman0001]

other witnesses are reportedly not cooperating.

I.E. Elliot's "crew" or people that were "talked too" by Cowboys Security. Think about it, even if they guy was hit by someone else, why would they not come forward and get their moment of fame (especially if they were a DJ at a crappy bar). This is fishy....I think some people just became Cowboy season ticket holders for a major discount. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

I.E. Elliot's "crew" or people that were "talked too" by Cowboys Security. Think about it, even if they guy was hit by someone else, why would they not come forward and get their moment of fame (especially if they were a DJ at a crappy bar). This is fishy....I think some people just became Cowboy season ticket holders for a major discount. 

This is why big time athletes should not be out at places like this or at all.  Even if they are staying out of trouble there are too many other people out there trying to take advantage of them.  Stop putting yourself in bad positions.

 

[Interseptopus]

This is why big time athletes should not be out at places like this or at all.  Even if they are staying out of trouble there are too many other people out there trying to take advantage of them.  Stop putting yourself in bad positions.

While I agree with the idea that an athlete should not put themselves in a position to fail/get in trouble. That is violation #1. However, are we going to ask athletes to not do anything? Not have any fun? Zeke is 21... I can remember (most of) what I was doing when I was 21, so I can only imagine what Zeke's social calendar is with all that money he has. 

Sure, trouble can follow these guys for just being famous athletes. Zeke walks into a bar and all it takes is one person there to recognize him and suddenly he's surrounded by fanboys/girls. I imagine that can be frustrating. Sure, he can wipe his eyes with a $100 bill and get over it pretty quick. Poor Zeke for being a rich and famous athlete right? But I just can't fault a young athlete for wanting to have fun. Surrounding yourself with friends who want to smuggle guns into a club, staying out way too late, drinking way too much, starting fights, beating women, etc... sure that's different. But can we really fault him for trying to have fun, if in fact that's all he's guilty of here? Just playing devil's advocate here so that the discussion doesn't start down the path of "athletes can't go to a club ever." Maybe a better choice of a club is a better idea, more privacy etc

 

[hoffman0001]

While I agree with the idea that an athlete should not put themselves in a position to fail/get in trouble. That is violation #1. However, are we going to ask athletes to not do anything? Not have any fun? Zeke is 21... I can remember (most of) what I was doing when I was 21, so I can only imagine what Zeke's social calendar is with all that money he has. 

Sure, trouble can follow these guys for just being famous athletes. Zeke walks into a bar and all it takes is one person there to recognize him and suddenly he's surrounded by fanboys/girls. I imagine that can be frustrating. Sure, he can wipe his eyes with a $100 bill and get over it pretty quick. Poor Zeke for being a rich and famous athlete right? But I just can't fault a young athlete for wanting to have fun. Surrounding yourself with friends who want to smuggle guns into a club, staying out way too late, drinking way too much, starting fights, beating women, etc... sure that's different. But can we really fault him for trying to have fun, if in fact that's all he's guilty of here? Just playing devil's advocate here so that the discussion doesn't start down the path of "athletes can't go to a club ever." Maybe a better choice of a club is a better idea, more privacy etc

Hmmmm....If I was a rich and famous player I would just get a nice crib, hang out at my place and let the fun.....errr...ladies come to me, and  play video games. He could also travel, and do other things than say...be out late at a club, race his car at 100 MPH, and taking of ladies tops in public. He has plenty of options to have fun and keep out of trouble. 95% of the players do last time I checked. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Hmmmm....If I was a rich and famous player I would just get a nice crib, hang out at my place and let the fun.....errr...ladies come to me, and  play video games. He could also travel, and do other things than say...be out late at a club, race his car at 100 MPH, and taking of ladies tops in public. He has plenty of options to have fun and keep out of trouble. 95% of the players do last time I checked. 

He could also shoot himself in the leg in a "public park" I suppose. 

You're right, and I agree, he doesn't have to be in a club to have fun. Most of the other players don't do these things and they manage to stay out of trouble

 

[Hawkeye21]

While I agree with the idea that an athlete should not put themselves in a position to fail/get in trouble. That is violation #1. However, are we going to ask athletes to not do anything? Not have any fun? Zeke is 21... I can remember (most of) what I was doing when I was 21, so I can only imagine what Zeke's social calendar is with all that money he has. 

Sure, trouble can follow these guys for just being famous athletes. Zeke walks into a bar and all it takes is one person there to recognize him and suddenly he's surrounded by fanboys/girls. I imagine that can be frustrating. Sure, he can wipe his eyes with a $100 bill and get over it pretty quick. Poor Zeke for being a rich and famous athlete right? But I just can't fault a young athlete for wanting to have fun. Surrounding yourself with friends who want to smuggle guns into a club, staying out way too late, drinking way too much, starting fights, beating women, etc... sure that's different. But can we really fault him for trying to have fun, if in fact that's all he's guilty of here? Just playing devil's advocate here so that the discussion doesn't start down the path of "athletes can't go to a club ever." Maybe a better choice of a club is a better idea, more privacy etc

It's not fair or realistic to say they shouldn't do anything but there are obvious things a person can do that have much less risk.  Anything involving alcohol should be avoided unless at home.  Most things late at night should be avoided as well.

 

[Interseptopus]

It's not fair or realistic to say they shouldn't do anything but there are obvious things a person can do that have much less risk.  Anything involving alcohol should be avoided unless at home.  Most things late at night should be avoided as well.

I would agree. Especially when you're in the public spotlight

 

[Anarchy99]

It's not fair or realistic to say they shouldn't do anything but there are obvious things a person can do that have much less risk.  Anything involving alcohol should be avoided unless at home.  Most things late at night should be avoided as well.

This goes against pretty much every element of being privileged. What's the point in having tons of money and having fame and fortune on your side if you can't go out? Only going out in the day time? Heck, most 21-year-olds start going out for the night when the rest of us are getting ready for bed.

I agree that these guys should avoid strip clubs, casinos, and blatant dives and shouldn't be mixing it up at 3 or 4 am. But going out in respectable places in the evening should not bother anyone.

As a rule of thumb, they should have a reality checklist. If they can answer yes to any of the following before heading out for the evening, they should probably make a different plan for the night:

- Hang out with guys with double digit tattoos, lots of scantily clad women, and gold teeth
- Bring your hand gun, but leave the holster at home
- Associate with people known only by nickname and make sure you don't know their first or last names
- Drink with a crowd that knows Adam Pacman Jones, Josh Gordon, and Johnny Manziel
- Pretend that Uber, Lyft, and car services don't exist and make sure you drive yourself home at 4 AM.
- Remember to avoid the bathroom at all costs and pee on the side of a building or the side of the road
- Don't ask if they are real and just squeeze them to double check
- Rehearse your line . . . sure, she might have had 10 or 12 drinks, but it was consensual

BONUS: Strippers want it more than regular chicks do.

 

[Bojang0301]

Dan Patrick today saying other owners around the league are pushing for the suspension. This is so bizarre. The league has no proof of anything. In fact, all evidence points to the domestic violence being a downright lie. I wish the players union were stronger. This #### does not fly in other leagues. The suspension happens immediately or when there is evidence that surfaces to warrent there being a suspension, They don't wait a year and a half, find nothing and then suspend the guy for essentially having some ignorant and stupid moments in the offseason prior.

 

[Bojang0301]

That's not entirely fair.

Joe Randle was the starter the first 5 weeks of that season, which included all four of Romo's games. McFadden began to take over in week 5 against the patriots, when he had a 9 reception game off the bench, and coming out of their week 6 bye he was the starter the rest of the way. 

Mcfadden ran for 4.6 yards per carry and averaged 108 total yards a game the rest of the way with 27 receptions in his final 11 games (36 in his final 12).  

You're right that he wasn't scoring a lot of touchdowns,  but it wasn't his fault the offense wasn't good.  The quarterbacks he played with were Matt Cassel (1-6)  Kellen Moore (0-2) and Brandon weeden (0-3). 

Guy is 29, hard to mount a defense for anything other then mediocrity at this point. He is what he's been his whole career: made of glass and just ok when healthy.