leftcoastguy7
Footballguy
Everyone's guessing the # of games, but if Zeke is being suspended for domestic violence, doesn't that mean he must be suspended for 6 games under the new policy?
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Sometimes people read things differently and it says a lot about them and how they think and perceive the words read.
I don't think anyone has any vitriol towards you and the only person becoming unraveled is you.
You made a statement and par for the course, somebody responded with a smart ### retort. Nothing more, nothing less.
You could have ignored it for the insignificant post it was or you could read waaaaaaay too deep into it and let another person affect how you feel and respond to it.
This isn't the Kennedy assassination, it's a couple of nerds talking football, sprinkled with a couple smart ### responses.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I don't think his suspension would be for domestic violence, it would be for conduct detrimental to the league, i.e.; getting accused of domestic violence in the first place, being seen at the pot store and pulling down his female friends top.
It's a total witchhunt. I could accuse you of rape tomorrow if I so chose and you would have to defend yourself, the weed dispensary he was that was in a state where weed is legal and as far as everyone knows he didn't buy any. He hasn't failed any drug tests that we know of and despite what all the feminist say in this thread, if his female friend was cool with him pulling down her top, which apparently she was, that's not assault.
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
And that's why I think they are focused on his behavior with the exposure incident more than the accusation that was pretty well debunked.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Though I think its weird that you throw feminist in here like its a negative, I agree with you completely. The conduct detrimental to the league clause was bogus when they suspended Ben or Brady and it is bogus here. Goodell and the owners want to feel like they control these players. It makes it easier to make them disposable, which in turn makes the NFLPA weaker, keeping the salary cap and contracts down.
Can't say I agree with any of these premises and logically it does not compute. The investigation has been ongoing before he ever pulled down the girls' top and before he ever went into the pot store in Seattle. Those incidents are not what he is being investigated for or possibly facing a suspension over.
My best guess is something similar to the Brady suspension and I'm basing this on a follow up interview Shefter gave were he said something to the effect of Elliot not complying or providing the NFL with data or information they requested. They don't have evidence to suspend for what they were investigating, but feel like an attempt at a coverup was made so they might suspend him for that instead.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
What is McFadden worth in redraft? He already had value as a backup in an ideal situation, but add a couple guaranteed starts behind that line and I'd think his value climbs.
need2know
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'd much rather have McFadden than West in redraft though. If Dixon gets hurt, how excited are you to start West? If Elliot gets hurt, how many backs in the league would you bench McFadden for?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I'm not so sure. Weeks 1-4 aren't very promising for McFadden.
Gaints D is tough against the run (and pass).
Denver has a good D.
Rams Dline is no joke.
Cardinals D is rough as well.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The giants were a top 3 run D, but they gave up 107 yards to Elliot the second time they met (he also played them week 1 and had 51 yards and a touchdown, but that was his first game as an nfl player).
Denver had one of the worst run defenses in the league last year. They were 28th.
The rams were middle of the road - 16th.
The cardinals were 9th, which is solid, but not enough for me to bench him.
Plus, McFadden catches the ball a lot better than Elliot did last year. If he starts for the cowboys, he's starting for me.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Adam Caplan quoting Dallas reporter Mike Fisher
Looks like Elliott was involved in an altercation at a bar last night. Might be nothing. Twitter starting to twit.
Looks like Elliott was involved in an altercation at a bar last night. Might be nothing. Twitter starting to twit.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Jon machota of dallas news just tweeted Source confirms @fishsports report that Ezekiel Elliott was involved in an altercation last night at Clutch bar in Dallas
DropKick
Footballguy
I'm thinking with all these behavioral issues, I can get Elliott classified as a WR in my league.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm about ready to offload this guy. He's a time bomb.
need2know
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Nowadays? Never but I'm 40 years old. When I was 20 I dated several girls who are rather liberal with their tops.
Zeke and his girlfriend were at parade where the girl dripped her top down numerous times and so did a lot of girls at that event.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure, but the 90s were still a little looser with what was sexual assault vs boys being boys.
There is some random guy on twitter who tweeted like 11-12 hours ago that he just saw Elliot lay a "N word" out at Clutch.
Seeing as how this incident did occur at Clutch and it was not reported yet when random twitter guy made this tweet it kind of has some bit of merit to me.
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
Word here in Dallas is he knocked a bouncer at Clutch out cold. Broken nose. Witnesses.
This kid just doesn't get it.
This kid just doesn't get it.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
TMZ Sports reports a witness saw Ezekiel Elliott punch a man at a Dallas-area bar Sunday night.
A video shows the victim laying on the ground after the incident, but there is no video of the actual altercation. The victim suffered a broken nose. Despite a witness identifying Elliott as the assailant, police did not make any arrests because of a lack of information and the fact the witness appeared to be intoxicated. Police also did not speak with Elliott because he was gone by the time they arrived. No charges have been filed at this time.
Source: TMZ Sports Jul 17 - 11:31 AM
A video shows the victim laying on the ground after the incident, but there is no video of the actual altercation. The victim suffered a broken nose. Despite a witness identifying Elliott as the assailant, police did not make any arrests because of a lack of information and the fact the witness appeared to be intoxicated. Police also did not speak with Elliott because he was gone by the time they arrived. No charges have been filed at this time.
Source: TMZ Sports Jul 17 - 11:31 AM
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Just trying to take him on the only team I own. Just a matter of time with this guy. Maybe Jerry will hire some 24 hour security team for him like Dez. Only chance he has.
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hoffman0001
Footballguy
I think Elliot owners that don't have a deep bench need to move to have McFadden on their bench. In one league I picked up McFadden off waivers a month ago with this in mind. When news of the Suspension of 1-2 days came out I offered him McFadden for a 2018 3rd rounder (probably late) and he declined. Given the news today I made the same offer again. I think the drumbeat of issues, should be something Elliot owners need to take seriously.
It might seem like a steep price for a guy that was on the waiver wire, a month ago but shame on the Elliot owner for not getting him himself. Assuming that Elliot now gets the 2 game suspension (more likely given this most recent issue) I would now expect McFadden to start maybe 3-4 games between suspensions and potential injury. If he Does start, given that offensive line and his knowledge of the system, McFadden should do well.
The play here is to grab McFadden if he is floating around. If you own Elliot you should already have him. If you don't and you get him now, the Elliot owner will come a calling.
It might seem like a steep price for a guy that was on the waiver wire, a month ago but shame on the Elliot owner for not getting him himself. Assuming that Elliot now gets the 2 game suspension (more likely given this most recent issue) I would now expect McFadden to start maybe 3-4 games between suspensions and potential injury. If he Does start, given that offensive line and his knowledge of the system, McFadden should do well.
The play here is to grab McFadden if he is floating around. If you own Elliot you should already have him. If you don't and you get him now, the Elliot owner will come a calling.
efactor
Footballguy
Yeah. You would think with the domestic violence issue still hanging over his head with the NFL that he would have been playing the role of "perfect citizen" instead of bringing more negative attention to himself, at least until training camp started and he had other things to occupy his time.
Obviously, his judgement is poor. But that was evident on draft night when he wore the half shirt and bow tie.
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hoffman0001
Footballguy
Why wait? The price will only go higher. Morris is expected to be released, and McFadden is clearly the back-up. When in doubt, don't discount that the owner is an Ammuni of McFadden's school. McFadden is also a FAR better match to Elliot's skill-set, especially as a receiver.
Once Elliot's suspension is confirmed and/or he gets nicked up in camp, McFadden's will be more expensive.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I don't understand, you said this about a different player:
Zeke came into the NFL with a pending domestic violence charge, or as you put it "a clean slate". Well, his behavior continues to raise eye brows and now will likely end in a suspension. Maybe now you see the point I was making, that personal conduct does have some value?
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Why is the price only going up? McFadden will turn 30 before the season starts and hasn't been the most durable guy. No way I'd buy before TC even starts. I don't think Morris will be released either. Who else is on the RB depth chart? One UDFA? It's possible they could even bring in a DeAngelo Williams type (cap permitting) if the suspension is 4 games or more. Or something happens with another team where a door is opened for a free/cheaper/younger player. If anything, the price will only go lower IMO, though it could peak some after a suspension is officially handed down.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
"though it could peak some after a suspension is officially handed down"
That is my point. Once you Know McFadden is going to start a few games, his price will go up. Morris might stick at the #3, but it's McFadden who better fits as the replacement in the offense. Plus he is a Jerry Jones favorite.
If you wait till after the suspension the McFadden owner is going to ask for more, or just role the the dice and play him at the #1 RB in a great offense for a few weeks.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I've found out that most guys who get knocked out in a bar desreved to get knocked out in a bar.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Well said. I don't have Elliot on any of my teams, and as much as I would LOVE to have him, he has a high risk factor for these types of issues. Would I not want him? NO! Would I make sure I had his back-up on my roster?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
That's true but how many mistakes did McCoy have leading up to that? Elliot's recent past issues are not helping at all.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
The overreaction in this thread is unsightly. He won't be arrested over this. The worst case scenario is a civil suit unless clear video emerges to show he assaulted the man unprovoked. Right now it's nothing but hearsay and the cops thought so much of it that they essentially issued a statement saying this is nothing right now. Certainly this effects draft value but people saying they don't want him on their fantasy teams. Lol, sure.
That's pretty much already the assumption, we just don't know if it's 1, 2, 4 or even 6. If 4 or 6 and he doesn't go down before the season starts, you're right, his price will go up. If it's 1 or 2 or he tweaks a hammy or busts his busted toe, I think people would regret hastily trading for him. He'll never command too much as he's a 30 year old RB set to start only a few games. Why pay a 2nd for that when you can probably get Terrance West and have a shot at more production throughout the year?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Let me respond with a question: Does Goodell only suspend players who are arrested, charged, convicted?
