Any chance after his appeal is heard they knock this down to four games? If that happens, I'm still ok with taking him at the back end of rd 1. I still like him over Gordon, Nelson, Ajayi, Evans, and Freeman. All guys going around then. I think Morris is a more than capable backup who has produced in the past when given the carries. Yea, you burn a little higher pick on Morris than you normally would but I think it would be worth the 1st rd risk still.
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For redraft, a second suspension seems an extremely remote possibility. Even if something happened in-season it could be appealed and dragged out for a while. Edit: Outside of something Ray Rice-esque where a video or something gets leaked.
Dynasty it is a pretty big question mark though. Maybe the NFL will release details on what and why they felt 6 games was justified.
Dynasty it is a pretty big question mark though. Maybe the NFL will release details on what and why they felt 6 games was justified.
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
I get the thought process but we don't know this is any more likely than him taking this as a wakeup call and getting it corrected. Plenty of young men do. He has no history of trouble/discipline in his past so it's pure speculation either way.
Shutout
Footballguy
Lol. Told ya fellas . Jerry Jones saying he doesn't want to speculate is the equivalent of the Madden poster boy
yeah, if I am drafting at the tail end near the turn I'd seriously consider Zeke myself. Zeke plus another RB or maybe a WR instead and then I target RB's at the 3/4 turn.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Was that fight worth it for New England? No, the lesson is to quietly appeal, be contrite, and live with the consequences.
JAMES!
Footballguy
I think it was worth it somewhat in terms of protecting Brady's image which was a big reason he fought it in the first place. If Zeke simply accepts he in essence admits to the accusations.
Shutout
Footballguy
You guys saying you still take him in the second are giving money away. All those playoff points don't count if you don't make it to the playoffs. I'm sure some people will do it and get away with it but the odds of your #2 guy missing half your season and you making the playoffs had to be against you pretty heavily.
When you do this you automatically give up your second best weapon for half the season, you burn a roster spot you cannot drop, you hope he steps in the second he is eligible and performs as you remember him at his best ( but many players take a few weeks to get ramped back up), you pray the team chemistry doesn't settle into some other successful Groove, you pray the team is playing at a level to best utilize him, you alter your draft strategy for building your entire team, etc, etc.
I guess you could say he will be fresher down the stretch and thats great if the cowboys are still in contention and playing for something but overall you are playing against the house on this one.
When you do this you automatically give up your second best weapon for half the season, you burn a roster spot you cannot drop, you hope he steps in the second he is eligible and performs as you remember him at his best ( but many players take a few weeks to get ramped back up), you pray the team chemistry doesn't settle into some other successful Groove, you pray the team is playing at a level to best utilize him, you alter your draft strategy for building your entire team, etc, etc.
I guess you could say he will be fresher down the stretch and thats great if the cowboys are still in contention and playing for something but overall you are playing against the house on this one.
Caesar
Footballguy
Ask the people who drafted Le'veon at the 2-3 turn last year how things worked out for them.
Its a few more games than Bell had last year, but I do think it will appeal down to 4. From what I saw, taking Bell late 2nd or early 3rd worked out quite well. This seems a no brainer, and I am taking EZE without a doubt after about 2.06..... if it gets down to 4 games, anywhere in the second and maybe end of first.
Its a few more games than Bell had last year, but I do think it will appeal down to 4. From what I saw, taking Bell late 2nd or early 3rd worked out quite well. This seems a no brainer, and I am taking EZE without a doubt after about 2.06..... if it gets down to 4 games, anywhere in the second and maybe end of first.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I dislike the idea of Zeke burning up a bench spot for 7 weeks than I am about not being able to start him for 6 weeks.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
All they did was spend money and keep it in the news cycle. His fighting it did not help his image, it hurt it, in my estimation.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Playing the Packers in Week 5. as a packer fan I hope this does not get reduced to four games. Yeah, I fear him a bit.
Caesar
Footballguy
I think you are overvaluing the early draft spots vs a good draft strategy that gives you depth. In one contest I was in last year, the guy with the most total points, by a lot, drafted Keenan Allen in the first round. He didn't seem to have a problem because he had quality and value in the later rounds.
You can get by for 6 weeks with a first or second rounder on the bench.. Making the right week to week start/sit choices and playing the waiver wire are FAR more influential in the season outcome than just the first two rounds of the draft.
Shark move to take Zeke in the 2nd, IMO.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
In my main big money league, I took Lamar Miller, Gronk, Sammy, Maclin, Moncrief and Marvin Jones. My first 6 picks were basically all busts. I won the league. I am not at all concerned if my 2nd round pick doesn't pan out relative to the possibility of having Zeke and DJ down the stretch. If my team is struggling, I can always trade Zeke after a couple weeks. There will always be a huge market for him.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
The number, and the length of the threads here would be evidence to the contrary. That Pats fans have cropped up here to re-litigate their positions on Deflategate and to try to find some redemption or backing here would argue otherwise. We see this differently. No worries. That is the beauty of sport and opinion.
pantherclub
Footballguy
JAMES!
Footballguy
If he just accepted the suspension he would have forever been seen by most as a cheater. Now only a handful feel that way. He portrayed himself as an innocent victim of an overreaching commissioner during that time he was fighting.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Cool. Everywhere I look on ESPN, NFLN, etc. I see people bowing to Brady and his greatness. I will say this is going to be different because it's domestic violence as opposed to the level a ball is inflated.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I didn't win my league last year? Those guys weren't busts? Nobody will want to trade for Zeke after 3 or 4 weeks?
shadyridr
Footballguy
burnall
Footballguy
same, I'd love to take the 2 spot and get a DJ/Bell then a zeke, but I imagine he will probably go late first/early second, so that's probably going to be the sweet spot
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I see fans feting players and former players all the time while simultaneously holding counter-veiling beliefs. Ray Lewis, Michael Irvin, Peyton Manning all have jobs and financial opportunities and yet many to most have beliefs they committed crimes or unworthy acts. Myself, I believe Brady and Belichick are cheaters, liars, and among the greatest football players and coaches who have ever lived.
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Caesar
Footballguy
exponentially? I think it barely changes the draft strategy. As someone has pointed out, you aren't taking a zero at the RB2 spot for 6 weeks. You just happen to be plugging in your 6th or 7th or 8th rounder instead. There is enough value in those rounds where the dropoff is not so significant.
I'm not saying you don't have to hit on one of your picks, but to say the margin is exponentially tighter is a fallacy.
A team of DJ and Zeke down the stretch and into the playoffs would be pretty tough to beat. I'll take that chance all day every day.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I think it's the fact that you're just passing on a lot of possible points. You're replacing a 2nd round pick, which should get a lot of points, with a late round pick, which shouldn't get a lot of points. It's making your starting roster weaker along with making your bench weaker. I think everything need to be considered when thinking about drafting Elliott in the first two rounds.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Outside of Elliot's annoying "fed me" gesture he seems a likable enough young man, and he is clearly a talent at running back. I hope he learns and grows and learns from the entirety of this cautionary tale. Best of luck young man.
Shutout
Footballguy
There are always exceptions to the rule of people who are just that much better in their league than the others or play against very marginal owners but by the numbers, you absolutely hurt yourself to volunteer to give up a top draft pick tried half the season. Its points left on the tablet that you just gave to someone else. Your zeroes each week are your opponent's AJ Green and Gronk, etc.
There is a reason you don't see people trade their top draft picks in leagues and reasons why you see so many people crying on boards or throwing in the towel when their top guy get out for the season in weeks 2-3.
So I guess it comes down to betting on yourself heavily armed understanding whether you are are above average of not. If you're a ff maven then it will likely work but if you're a regular guy, it's a huge risk.
Caesar
Footballguy
I just looked back at all of my FFPC leagues last year and Bell went 2.07, 2.01, 2.01, 2.07, 1.08, 2.11, 2.03, 2.03, 2.09. So, you are correct that my memory was off as to where he was going, but I will keep in mind twice the number of games for Zeke, and am thinking people may not be as quick to pull the trigger. I could be wrong.
It will be interesting to see where he starts going now. Even such, pairing him with JJ, or OBJ, or McCoy is a pretty nice thing to imagine.
Caesar
Footballguy
I liked this beause i think you do make a good point. Even though we disagree, I think it would be an interesting look at how it plays out this year for teams willing to take the chance.
pantherclub
Footballguy
What we are trying to explain to you here is that its a long way from Point A to Point B in your above scenario not to mention how far behind the 8 ball you could potentially be and the ground you would have to make up.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I was wondering whether there is a summation, or better yet a recitation of the evidence and case against him. Has this been linked yet? Has it been released yet? Does such automatically go to the player , their team, and the agent, which I think it would? Has Elliot released the information and a rebuttal to it?
Right now there seems much speculation. I would like some facts. The thing is, even if a report is released there is always a possibility that it does not contain "facts" and th speculation and spin game can start anew. Still, my curiosity has been roused and needs feeding to put 'er to bed.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I do understand the idea behind taking Elliott in the second or late in the first and I find it very tempting myself but I just feel like you're putting yourself in an unnecessarily risky position to start the season. Having DJ and Elliott on your roster sounds AMAZING but it won't be those two together until week 8.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I always thought game suspension were an unfair form of punishment in that this inures to the benefit of some on a schedule and not to others. I think suspensions should be for the first three possessions or appearances of the defense (if a defensive player) over so many games. for 4 game suspensions currently this would be for the first three possessions of every game for which the player is address for a whole year. essentially you suspend guys for the equivalent of a quarter at a time until their suspension is served. I hate when divisional opponents face unequal opportunities in the name of punishment.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I would buy zeke everywhere I could in redraft. He's going to appeal, there's a large chance this is like the Brady suspension and gets pushed out a year.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I'm not sure if this scenario has been gone over much yet. What if Elliott appeals this and it pushes a final decision back so he does get to start the season, where do you draft him not knowing exactly when and how long he'll be suspended? How early do you draft him if he now risks being suspended during your playoffs?
shadyridr
Footballguy
They have 10 days to make the appeal ruling. You think he's gonna go to court after?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Basically you'll be starting a player scoring around 10 points instead of a player that would be scoring around 16, hypothetically. This is just one of your positions affect by the pick, the rest of your team will be affected by it as well because you are most likely going to be neglecting another position in order to compensate for the RB position.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Good debate for sure. But suggesting that an owner who takes Zeke is going to be sucking up a bunch of zeros on the scoreboard is just silly. If your draft is otherwise strong, all you have to do is tread water (maybe even lose a point or two per week) in that RB2 spot and you are fine. But there won't be any zeros posted.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Who here is saying that you would be taking zeros from him? You're just taking zeros from an early draft pick from the view of looking at the draft board. Obviously he would be on your bench so you'd have a replacement player getting you points. All you have to do is tread water for 7 weeks? That doesn't sound enjoyable at all. If all you're losing is a point or two by not having him in your line up then what's the advantage of drafting him at all? You draft him because he's suppose to give you a big point advantage over any other RB so who have to figure in that you are now losing those points the first 7 weeks. That's a lot to overcome, especially if your in a league with smart owners.
In a public league I would most certainly try it because I feel I'm better than the majority of owners. In my league, I don't need to give myself a disadvantage to start the season. It's hard enough to win the way it is.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
When drafting, don't we all draft assuming many of the players, even some early picks will bust/miss games?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think this is mostly correct. I think the difference could be far less than 6 points, though. Especially if you hit later on Jacquizz, West, DMC, or maybe a rookie that flashes early, like Hunt or Kamara. Early guess seems to be late 2nd/early 3rd for Zeke. I'd probably rather have Cooks or Baldwin, but there are a whole heap of players in that range that I'm not crazy about. Also, I have a lot of confidence in my drafting abilities as well as inseason management that I think I could weather the storm.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
The players I take in the early rounds I expect to play every game. The ones that I don't expect to play every game can be had in later rounds, that's why they are positioned there. That's one Gronk isn't going in the first. That's why Keenan Allen isn't going in the second or Alshon Jeffery. I take them high because I think they will play every game but I know there's a chance they could miss a game or two, it's the same for everyone.
Just because l'm willing to take players that just may miss a game or two due to injury doesn't mean I would take a player that is guaranteed to miss games. Not only is he guaranteed to miss games but he still carries the same amount of risk as everyone else to get hurt when he comes back.
