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RB Giovani Bernard, TB (3 Viewers)

SCT said:
Am I wrong to be warming up to the idea of starting Gio over guys like Sproles and Hartline at flex this week due to Law Firm's illness? Even if he plays, I'd think Gio sees an uptick in snaps....
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lmao why on earth would you ever start either of those other two guys over gio? Just check the pts
 
Struggling with Gio vs. Gore in PPR. FBG staff consensus is Gore, but Gio has a higher ceiling IMO. Classic risk/reward call I guess.

 
shadyridr said:
SCT said:
Am I wrong to be warming up to the idea of starting Gio over guys like Sproles and Hartline at flex this week due to Law Firm's illness? Even if he plays, I'd think Gio sees an uptick in snaps....
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lmao why on earth would you ever start either of those other two guys over gio? Just check the pts
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Hartline is ranked ahead of Gio in every PPR list you can find this week. FantasyPros (consensus of 93 experts) has Hartline a dozen spots ahead of Gio in ppr flex ranking. Hartline has 22 more points than Gio over the past 3 weeks. I don't think it's an lmao to ask that question. Sproles is picked as a potential sleeper this week by several sights, but certainly was more of an afterthought.

 
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JuniorNB said:
With Peterson hurt, I'm probably going to be forced to start Bernard (non-PPR). I guess any shot of getting a touchdown would be if he breaks a long one. Is Bernard getting any short yardage touches these days?
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earlier in the year they routinely used gio in the red zone and around the goal line. not sure why they havent lately.

 
SCT said:
shadyridr said:
SCT said:
Am I wrong to be warming up to the idea of starting Gio over guys like Sproles and Hartline at flex this week due to Law Firm's illness? Even if he plays, I'd think Gio sees an uptick in snaps....
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lmao why on earth would you ever start either of those other two guys over gio? Just check the pts
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Hartline is ranked ahead of Gio in every PPR list you can find this week. FantasyPros (consensus of 93 experts) has Hartline a dozen spots ahead of Gio in ppr flex ranking. Hartline has 22 more points than Gio over the past 3 weeks. I don't think it's an lmao to ask that question. Sproles is picked as a potential sleeper this week by several sights, but certainly was more of an afterthought.
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gio gets 15 touches a game. How many does hartline get. Its a dumb question even in ppr. You can cherrypick all the stats you want. The fact is gio gets more touches than hartline and has more pts then him on the year. And the guy said he's considering benching hartline this week for gio implying he's had hartline in his flex all along
 
shadyridr said:
SCT said:
shadyridr said:
SCT said:
Am I wrong to be warming up to the idea of starting Gio over guys like Sproles and Hartline at flex this week due to Law Firm's illness? Even if he plays, I'd think Gio sees an uptick in snaps....
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lmao why on earth would you ever start either of those other two guys over gio? Just check the pts
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Hartline is ranked ahead of Gio in every PPR list you can find this week. FantasyPros (consensus of 93 experts) has Hartline a dozen spots ahead of Gio in ppr flex ranking. Hartline has 22 more points than Gio over the past 3 weeks. I don't think it's an lmao to ask that question. Sproles is picked as a potential sleeper this week by several sights, but certainly was more of an afterthought.
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gio gets 15 touches a game. How many does hartline get. Its a dumb question even in ppr. You can cherrypick all the stats you want. The fact is gio gets more touches than hartline and has more pts then him on the year. And the guy said he's considering benching hartline this week for gio implying he's had hartline in his flex all along
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LIsten Friendo, I'm the guy who said that and said the last thing. I have started Hartline once this year. I have started Gio every week since acquiring him in October. This week, however, the vast majority of expert ppr rankings have Hartline ahead of him. It got me questioning that choice, that is all.

 
SCT said:
shadyridr said:
SCT said:
shadyridr said:
SCT said:
Am I wrong to be warming up to the idea of starting Gio over guys like Sproles and Hartline at flex this week due to Law Firm's illness? Even if he plays, I'd think Gio sees an uptick in snaps....
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lmao why on earth would you ever start either of those other two guys over gio? Just check the pts
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Hartline is ranked ahead of Gio in every PPR list you can find this week. FantasyPros (consensus of 93 experts) has Hartline a dozen spots ahead of Gio in ppr flex ranking. Hartline has 22 more points than Gio over the past 3 weeks. I don't think it's an lmao to ask that question. Sproles is picked as a potential sleeper this week by several sights, but certainly was more of an afterthought.
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gio gets 15 touches a game. How many does hartline get. Its a dumb question even in ppr. You can cherrypick all the stats you want. The fact is gio gets more touches than hartline and has more pts then him on the year. And the guy said he's considering benching hartline this week for gio implying he's had hartline in his flex all along
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LIsten Friendo, I'm the guy who said that and said the last thing. I have started Hartline once this year. I have started Gio every week since acquiring him in October. This week, however, the vast majority of expert ppr rankings have Hartline ahead of him. It got me questioning that choice, that is all.
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gotcha. You worded it strange then that is all
 
FBG is pretty low on Gio in general...not sure why. Consensus seems to be Bowe over Gio but I'm leaning towards Gio. Even in PPR.

 
:lmao: :lmao:

Dalton throws another TD pass to Green when they're on the 1-yard-line up 35-7.

I hope these scrubs lose 100-0 in their first playoff game.

 
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He's going to be a bonafide PPR monster in 2014. I'm lickin my chops. Great article!
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Where does he stand in non PPR leagues? I drafted him in a dynasty league this year and don't know if he can be a #2 RB next year. In PPR leagues I understand the love

 
@adamlevitan: Hue Jackson as CIN OC big for Gio. In 2 years with Hue (2010-11), Darren McFadden got 5.27 YPC, 15 TDs. Since, he's at 3.29 YPC, 8 TDs.

 
Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

Re the loss of offensive coordinator Jay Gruden to Washington: You can bet new Cincinnati offensive coordinator Hue Jackson will run it more than 43.8 percent of the snaps in 2014 … and that Gio Bernard and whoever his running mate is next year (BenJarvus Green-Ellis or someone else) will have more than 390 rushing attempts between them. That was the major gripe inside the Cincinnati offices about Gruden—that he didn’t run enough.
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This is why paying attention to coaching changes is important.

 
Rotoworld:

Bengals OC Hue Jackson suggested he will have interest in impending free agent Darren McFadden.

Jackson effectively built the Raiders' running game around McFadden in 2010 and 2011, leading to 336 carries for 1,771 yards (5.27 YPC) and 11 touchdowns during 20 games played across that span. DMC's market has been crushed by his ineffectiveness since Jackson left and an earned injury prone label, so perhaps the Bengals could add him to their backfield on the cheap. "You guys know how I feel about Darren McFadden; he's still one of my favorite players," Jackson said. "What a tremendous talent. But I really like my little guy Gio [bernard]. He had a real good season. But I don't think you can ever have too many good backs."

Related: Bengals

Source: ESPN.com
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Gio is little. Doubt that was meant as a slight. As far as DMC, they can add him for cheap, he will run up the middle in the first quarter of first game, then miss 5 games, come back, run twice for -3, get hurt miss 5 more.

Why on Earth would any want that? Even if for a cheap backup who is a buddy from the past?

I am stuck with DMC in a dynasty league cant cut him, cant trade him, cant play him. What a terrible pick that was.

 
steelcityman said:
Gio is little. Doubt that was meant as a slight. As far as DMC, they can add him for cheap, he will run up the middle in the first quarter of first game, then miss 5 games, come back, run twice for -3, get hurt miss 5 more.

Why on Earth would any want that? Even if for a cheap backup who is a buddy from the past?

I am stuck with DMC in a dynasty league cant cut him, cant trade him, cant play him. What a terrible pick that was.
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You answered your own question. He'll be cheap.

If he ever plays a full season, he'll be a steal for said team. Granted, thats a big IF as we all know.

BTW, this same post could have been said for Ryan Matthews prior to this season.....Jus sayin.

 
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I think 1.01 is a bit too high, picking him over guys like McCoy/Calvin/AJ Green/Julio/etc is too risky but once you get to pick 1.08-1.12 he's a viable selection in dynasty leagues.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
I think 1.01 is a bit too high, picking him over guys like McCoy/Calvin/AJ Green/Julio/etc is too risky but once you get to pick 1.08-1.12 he's a viable selection in dynasty leagues.
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This thread was started in April and the title is referring to a rookie draft.

 
Rotoworld:

Giovani Bernard expects new Bengals OC Hue Jackson to install the "craziest playbook ever."

"We just got to go into it with an open mind," Bernard said. "I'm excited for it." Jackson was one of the league's most creative play-callers during his time in Oakland, particularly with the running game. Bernard is a candidate to take a major step forward under his new offensive coordinator. He'll be on the RB1 radar if the Bengals hold off on adding in big names in free agency. Jackson has already been linked to Darren McFadden.


Source: ESPN.com
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Coaching Change Winners

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[SIZE=medium]WINNERS[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]1. Gio Bernard, RB, Bengals[/SIZE]

We’re going to talk a lot about Jay Gruden in this column because he had such a profound effect on the Bengals as the true boss of the offense. Gruden believes in rotations where possible, and also skews himself toward the pass (Bengals were 18th in rush attempts, 12th in pass attempts). It led to the electric Bernard getting just 170 carries as a rookie while plodding BenJarvus Green-Ellis got 220.

So based on the above, we know Bernard gets a boost simply from Gruden moving on. And Gio gets another boost as a second-year player entering his prime while 29-year-old (in July) BJGE continues to pile up tread. But the biggest boost comes from the promotion of Hue Jackson to offensive coordinator. Jackson has been a running backs coach for most of his career, ever since he broke into the NFL with the Redskins in 2001. When he’s been an offensive coordinator or head coach, his runners have usually flourished:

2001 Redskins: Stephen Davis 356 carries, 1432 yards, 5 TDs in 16 games
2002 Redskins: Stephen Davis 207 carries, 820 yards, 7 TDs in 12 games
2003 Redskins: Trung Canidate 142 carries, 600 yards, 1 TD in 11 games
2007 Falcons: Warrick Dunn 227 carries, 720 yards, 4 TDs in 16 games
2010 Raiders: Darren McFadden 223 carries, 1157 yards, 7 TDs in 13 games
2011 Raiders: Michael Bush 256 carries, 977 yards, 7 TDs in 16 games; Darren McFadden 113 carries, 614 yards, 4 TDs in 7 games.

Note that in two years (20 games) with Jackson, McFadden averaged 5.27 YPC and scored 11 touchdowns. In DMC’s other four years (47 games), he’s averaged 3.55 YPC and scored 12 touchdowns. Hue knows how to take advantage of running back talent and Bernard has gobs of it. Expect Gio to leave BJGE in the dust.
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Faust said:
Coaching Change Winners

Excerpt:

WINNERS

1. Gio Bernard, RB, Bengals

Were going to talk a lot about Jay Gruden in this column because he had such a profound effect on the Bengals as the true boss of the offense. Gruden believes in rotations where possible, and also skews himself toward the pass (Bengals were 18th in rush attempts, 12th in pass attempts). It led to the electric Bernard getting just 170 carries as a rookie while plodding BenJarvus Green-Ellis got 220.

So based on the above, we know Bernard gets a boost simply from Gruden moving on. And Gio gets another boost as a second-year player entering his prime while 29-year-old (in July) BJGE continues to pile up tread. But the biggest boost comes from the promotion of Hue Jackson to offensive coordinator. Jackson has been a running backs coach for most of his career, ever since he broke into the NFL with the Redskins in 2001. When hes been an offensive coordinator or head coach, his runners have usually flourished:

2001 Redskins: Stephen Davis 356 carries, 1432 yards, 5 TDs in 16 games

2002 Redskins: Stephen Davis 207 carries, 820 yards, 7 TDs in 12 games

2003 Redskins: Trung Canidate 142 carries, 600 yards, 1 TD in 11 games

2007 Falcons: Warrick Dunn 227 carries, 720 yards, 4 TDs in 16 games

2010 Raiders: Darren McFadden 223 carries, 1157 yards, 7 TDs in 13 games

2011 Raiders: Michael Bush 256 carries, 977 yards, 7 TDs in 16 games; Darren McFadden 113 carries, 614 yards, 4 TDs in 7 games.

Note that in two years (20 games) with Jackson, McFadden averaged 5.27 YPC and scored 11 touchdowns. In DMCs other four years (47 games), hes averaged 3.55 YPC and scored 12 touchdowns. Hue knows how to take advantage of running back talent and Bernard has gobs of it. Expect Gio to leave BJGE in the dust.
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Good stuff, thx for posting! I'm loving Gio with Hue running the offense. He was effusive in his praise for the "little guy" during the year, so I'm confident he's in store for a great season

 
He needs to be seeing at minimum 3 receptions a game. If he can bulk up a little bit, I think he can be competent on the goalline. He looked decent against poor defenses, tore up Green Bay.

 
Eminence said:
He needs to be seeing at minimum 3 receptions a game. If he can bulk up a little bit, I think he can be competent on the goalline. He looked decent against poor defenses, tore up Green Bay.
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I don't know where to look up the stats but the Bengals games that I watched this year I recall him being very good at the goal line.

 
msudaisy26 said:
Eminence said:
He needs to be seeing at minimum 3 receptions a game. If he can bulk up a little bit, I think he can be competent on the goalline. He looked decent against poor defenses, tore up Green Bay.
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I don't know where to look up the stats but the Bengals games that I watched this year I recall him being very good at the goal line.
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Very small sample size, but within that sample, he was as good as or better than most.

In fact, for players with at least five carries with 3 yards of the goal-line, he produced the most yards per carry of any back. That's a horribly flawed stat in many ways (you can only get one yard if you are on the one, so guys who have more carries at the three are going to do better here).

Still, he also scored 3 times in 5 attempts from the 3 or closer. Not bad at all. That ratio is on the high end of typical. Better than Lynch, Foster, BJGE (of course), Peterson, etc (over the past couple of years). Lacy was the stand out this year in that department.

I think bulk is overrated when it comes to short yardage conversion, both in fantasy and NFL circles. Smaller guys with great vision and burst seem to do just as well as the battering rams.

 
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Rotoworld:

Bengals.com's Geoff Hobson believes Giovani Bernard will "no doubt border on 300 touches" in 2014.
A workload that large would propel Bernard into the RB1 conversation after he ranked 16th among fantasy backs on 226 touches as a rookie. New OC Hue Jackson's track record in the running game is highly promising. There is still a chance Cincinnati adds a running back via free agency or the draft, but Gio is shaping up as a high-upside RB2. He is versatile with dynamic playmaking ability, and it now looks like he'll have the opportunity to capitalize.

Source: bengals.com
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An agent at the Scouting Combine told NFL.com that free agent Darren McFadden isn't expected to sign with the Bengals.
McFadden and his agent reportedly feel like they'll have more attractive offers. (We're skeptical.) Bengals OC Hue Jackson has always been a big believer in McFadden, and the running back had his best season under Jackson in Oakland. DMC wants to be a starter and big part of the offense. With Gio Bernard ready to take off in Cincy, it may not be in the cards there. DMC simply can't be trusted to stay healthy. He might be best off signing a one-year deal.

Related: Bengals

Source: NFL.com
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Rotoworld:

Coach Marvin Lewis said at the NFL meetings that he envisions "second-year growth" from Giovani Bernard similar to Ray Rice's in Baltimore.
Lewis is a former Ravens assistant, and has faced Rice twice a year as Bengals head coach. Rice's carries ballooned from 107 as a rookie to 254 in his second year, and he caught 78 passes as a sophomore, finishing as the No. 4 overall fantasy running back. Bernard has similarities to Rice in his prime both in terms of size and skill set. Gio is a fantasy blowup candidate for 2014.

Source: Paul Dehner on Twitter
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Sabertooth said:
I really like Bernard. I wouldn't trade him for any back in this class for sure.
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He is exciting so I get the thought but, as far as production in fantasy and opportunity, I think Lacy leads the pack with Bell having the potential to be there depending on how quickly the Steelers right their ship. I just do not see the Bengals operating the type of offense CONSISTENTLY that will result in Gio having one of those 2011 Ray Rice type years (the type of year you have to have to garner the "top back" statement).

 
Inside the projection: Giovani Bernard

By Dave Richard | Senior Fantasy Writer

The typical projection for a well-known Fantasy player takes anywhere from two to seven minutes.

Giovani Bernard's projection took over an hour.

I am not shy about my excitement for Bernard. I think he's multi-talented and versatile -- how can you say otherwise about him after last season?

Already this offseason Marvin Lewis has said he "hoped" to have Bernard follow the early-career trajectory of Ray Rice. But a not-so-quick dig into new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson's history suggests really big things for Gio.

Jackson is a friend to running backs going back to his days of coaching up the Southern Cal offense from 1997 to 2000. Long story short, backs have averaged around 40 percent of his playcalls on handoffs alone for all but one of his years as a coordinator. And as for his time in the NFL, backs have caught at least 21 percent of his team's completions every year and over 25 percent in three of four years.

So, yeah. Gio should get a bumper crop of touches. Assuming he stays healthy. He played in 16 games last year, missed two games the year before in college and didn't miss any in his second year at North Carolina after tearing up his knee as a freshman in 2010. I think it's safe enough to count on him for 16 games.

Jackson's running backs have averaged 24.5 carries per game in his four years as a play caller. After watching Bernard dominate carries late last season I think we can assume he'll get at least 15 of them per game. Could be more like 17-18. I'm comfortable giving him close to 16 per game -- call it 16.2 carries per -- with 3.3 grabs per game. Remember, backs play a big role in Jackson's passing attack and the Bengals don't have a back on the roster besides Bernard who can fill that role. It's also why Bernard's carry average isn't higher. I'm giving Bernard 259 carries and 53 receptions.

Bernard's 2013 rushing average was an acceptable 4.1 yards per carry, but I'm afraid I've got some bad news. He struggled in his last four games (when he had more touches than BenJarvus Green-Ellis) including the playoffs with a 2.4 rushing average. Normally we like to see a player finish strong and Bernard did the opposite, suggesting that he was gassed by the time the season was over. Bernard also sported a poor rushing average -- 1.9 -- in his only game with 15 carries last season. I'm not ready to let this information sway me but it will keep a lid on the rushing average I'll give him. A basic 4.0 keeps forecasts grounded, so mark him for 1,040 yards.

Where Bernard was much better last year was as a receiver. On the season he averaged 9.2 yards per catch and he finished strong in those final four games, picking up 11.5 per catch. And in games where he had at least three receptions he averaged 8.8 yards per. What does it all mean? Well, finishing strong late suggests he's excelling at what he's being asked, and being productive with a lot of work suggests stability and consistency. So at least we know Bernard can be a factor as a receiver, which is great considering Jackson's track record and what he'll ask Gio to do this year. Let's roll with that 8.8 receiving average for a fantastic 466 yards through the air.

Do you still believe that BenJarvus Green-Ellis is the Bengals' best back at the goal line? The team probably thinks so as it's really the only role he's still qualified for. Each of his seven touchdowns came from five yards or closer including three from a yard out. Bernard had some short-yardage scores too, three of 'em to be exact, so it's not like he'll always get replaced at the stripe. That's on top of whatever he can deliver from outside five yards of the end zone as well as what he can do on a catch-and-run. Gio had eight touchdowns last year, repeating could definitely be in the cards.

Final early projection: 259 carries, 1,040 yards, six touchdowns; 53 catches, 466 receiving yards, two touchdown catches, two fumbles.
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