Max Power
Footballguy
Herbert has played 12 snaps all season. The Bears obviously don't care to get him involved. Waldron likes Homer for some reason.
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RB Isiah Pacheco, KC (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter rockaction
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karl.Racki
Footballguy
What about a first for the kid from Atlanta? Allgeier?
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
A 1st for Tyler Allgeier!!!!!
Nobody is giving up a first for Allgeier
The literal difference between fantasy and reality. A first for Allgeier is crazy lol.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
why not? If they think he can get them a Super Bowl, plus a KC first is pretty much second..
I fully believe he could be one of the best backs in the league.. Kid has speed, is powerful, and hard to bring down.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I don't know what to say bud.
Atlanta would snap their hand off if they offered a 3rd for him and you're up for throwing a 1st their way!
Atlanta would snap their hand off if they offered a 3rd for him and you're up for throwing a 1st their way!
karl.Racki
Footballguy
I would def get rid of a 3rd for him..Kid's first year he avg nearly 5YPC and then they drafted Robinson.Nothing against Bijan, but Allegier would have been fine as a starting back.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Or they could just get 85-90% of the production he'd offer with the players already on their roster and available as free agents, while keeping their valuable picks?
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
sweet fancy moses
I think the Tyreek trade was a net plus for KC. McDuffie, a top CB. One pick helped them trade up for Rice. And this year a backup C. Plus cap space savings.
OTOH, they trade a 3rd round comp and 6th round pick for Toney. You can't win them all.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So, IP probably gonna be out for the fantasy year most likely??
Reports are 6-8 weeks. So probably week 10-12 is our range.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I do not agree.
Broken bone complicated by surgery......longer recovery time.
I'd say week 12 at the earliest and perhaps not at all
(HULK)
(Smash)
Aren't they not going to know until they get in there in look?
I'd imagine imaging isn't that great so far since broken bones cause significant internal bleeding. I know that'll mess up X-Rays pretty good.
titusbramble
Footballguy
That's kind of my concern, the range of possible return points is too wide, at least from a fantasy standpoint, if we knew he'd be back by, say, mid November, I'd probably hold, but if it was the longer variant then it kind of wastes a season for me
ChiefD
Footballguy
Yeah, that trade got them two more Super Bowl wins.
That trade alone turned that defense into a top 10 defense and for sure won them this last Super Bowl. And contributed to the one two years ago. Excellent trade for the Chiefs.
I'm ignoring the Toney trade, though he did have that huge punt return in the Super Bowl. Not worth what they gave up. But if I recall they had an extra 3rd that year so worth a gamble I guess.
I know. I'm waiting for him and kupp to get the red IR
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osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
My guess is they are waiting until today. I think they are required to report soon. Maybe they have to make some other roster moves first, or maybe there is a cap situation that needs to be resolved before they declare him to IR, or there is a contract issue with his contract. Something like that would be my speculation.
They just did it.....and signed Keontay Engram to the active roster.
He's having surgery today but per Profootballdoc surgery is not always done in this kind of injury and when it is it's to speed up the recovery.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Well, that is fugly.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
"We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster"
rockaction
Footballguy
This guy has humble beginnings and overcame adversity to get to where he is. I hope he has enjoyed it and that he continues to have success. Unique running style. Not soon forgettable. Really an all-around back that has made a lot of hay with his high-stomping feet since he's been in the league. Love to see a seventh-rounder who stuck with his collegiate team when they had nobody to block for him taste success in the NFL.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
We will see. I do not know, and no one will know except the Chiefs, who won't even know the whole story yet. If he has multiple surgeries, it will be 12-16 weeks or longer. And he may not be himself until next season or mid-next season. Where is the break in the fibula? Did he damage any ligaments? Will he have hardware for stabilization, and will he have that removed? If you own him, just be prepared for a season-long injury. It depends on the type of surgery or surgeries he has now. If we find out he has hardware for stabilization, prepare for a longer timeline. I would be very skeptical if I were trading for him about the timeline. Be prepared for a long haul without him, and prepare not to have him for the fantasy playoffs.
How much damage, if any, did he have to his ligaments? Another big factor is that they could get in there and find more extensive damage than they thought or knew at the time of examination and imaging, which is why the Chiefs are being careful with what they say. He will need to wait for the bone to heal and ligaments. He will need to rehab his leg after surgery, and the leg will need time to get back to what it was. This pretty much stinks.
How much damage, if any, did he have to his ligaments? Another big factor is that they could get in there and find more extensive damage than they thought or knew at the time of examination and imaging, which is why the Chiefs are being careful with what they say. He will need to wait for the bone to heal and ligaments. He will need to rehab his leg after surgery, and the leg will need time to get back to what it was. This pretty much stinks.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
Update: Reports now state that when they performed the surgery, they found no ligament damage. This is really good news. Ligaments take a long time to heal, and they really do not know the damage until they get in there.
I think in many cases when they do surgery for a broken bone it is to improve the recovery time.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
From what I know and have been told, surgery does not speed up bone healing. Fibula surgery stabilizes the bone to prevent further damage while healing. He is having either hardware placed to stabilize or having tightrope surgery. Unless there is another surgery I'm not aware of, and that is possible, I do not know of any other surgery or any surgery that speeds up bone healing. Only his genetics and his young age can do that. It sounds like he only had one fracture, but I do not think that information has been released. We all heal broken bones at different rates, but they can speculate. Also, the surgery allows for a better outcome of rehab. I think it is more or less about bone healing and stability while it heals. The fibula takes on, I think, about 15% to 20% of the weight on the leg.
(HULK)
(Smash)
No ligament damage means he's back somewhere between weeks 8 and 10
(HULK)
(Smash)
He did not have tightrope surgery
fatness
Footballguy
Pacheco's running style described on Reddit.
“He runs like the ground said something about his mom”
"Pacheco runs like my five year old trying to light up his light up shoes"
"He runs like he is angry at the ground"
"Pacheco run like he bite people."
Runkle
Footballguy
Yeah someone dropped him outright for upcoming bye-week filler, and I'm eyeballing him hard. Gonna be quite the game to play to pick him up at the right time before anyone else once my own byes are accounted for, but, feels like if a contender grabs him it's the key to a playoff run.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Ummmm, well kinda.
They do surgery when surgery is needed for it to heal correctly.
The point is, when surgery is needed, the recovery time will be longer than a non surgical broken bone recovery time.
So basically, surgery is done to improve recovery......not necessarily recovery TIME
TampaMike19
Footballguy
This was me. Only one IR spot and wanted to put someone else who was out on there. I don't see it for Pacheco - he was pretty good for fantasy (not elite but very good top 15 numbers) but this is a complicated injury and I can't imagine anyone rushing him back until he's healthy and conditioned.
Chiefs do have a tough stretch of games to end the year so it would be ideal if he's back by then- I can see him being back but I can't see him being his week 1 or 2 self.
If I'm wrong I'm wrong but I don't have space on a short bench league.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
"Runs like the ice cream truck didn't see him waving."
Born to Run
Footballguy
You forgot "angrier".
Football Jones
Footballguy
Did you see an update? I also believe Pacheco will be back this season, possibly earlier than expected (assuming no setbacks).
That's the timeline that was provided after he had his surgery which at the time was given out as 6-8 weeks and and it jives with what the main guy I follow for injury info, Doc Chao, was putting out.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That would cost $7M instead of $6M.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
I think he’s out till the playoffs, honestly. They’re not rushing him back with Kareem there.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
That's reasonable. However, Hunt is 29, plays aggressive, and could get hurt himself (although I certainly hope not). Now that my worst bye week (week 6) is behind me, I grabbed Pacheco as a free agent and will wait and watch. He could be a fantastic flex down the FF stretch.....or just someone to drop for the next big thing if Hunt retains control or recovery is longer than anticipated.
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