RB Isiah Pacheco, KC (1 Viewer)

[menobrown]

The Athletic’s Nate Taylor writes that the Chiefs “need a young, dynamic running back to pair with” Isiah Pacheco.
Rarely do you see a beat writer go with the word “need,” but here we are. Kansas City clearly had no juice in the running game all last season as Pacheco struggled to run the same after returning from a broken leg. Kareem Hunt was a steady veteran pounder but couldn’t hit a second gear. Taylor notes that Brett Veach has been quoted as saying running backs in Andy Reid’s offense “need to be a better receiver than a runner” and ties them to Georgia back Trevor Etienne

Dylan Sampson would be the perfect fit for them

Or Treyveyon

Sure, but do they go RB in round 1?

I doubt it. They have a lot of FA on defense. But this is a deep RB class. If they’re only looking for a 3rd gear speedy compliment they can wait.

Yeah, even the article this speculation comes from says the Chiefs should consider options "perhaps as soon as day 2".

 

[Ray_T]

Pacheco looked cooked when he returned from injury.

Brashard Smith would be a smash fit here, and can be had later on.

He should bounce back this year. The injury is one of those that takes a year to recover from.

I'm not an NFL football player by any means, but I had pretty much the same injury, and you just need a lot of time. It is very similar to Pollard's injury, which was a full-year injury.

I had two surgeries and you can not really do anything for months and then have to get back into shape. It is mentally taxing as well. He should be fine this season.

I had heard the same thing (slow healing injury). in fact from what I understand there is a reasonable chance Pacheco still may not fully be himself until the second half of next year.

 

[Ray_T]

The Athletic’s Nate Taylor writes that the Chiefs “need a young, dynamic running back to pair with” Isiah Pacheco.
Rarely do you see a beat writer go with the word “need,” but here we are. Kansas City clearly had no juice in the running game all last season as Pacheco struggled to run the same after returning from a broken leg. Kareem Hunt was a steady veteran pounder but couldn’t hit a second gear. Taylor notes that Brett Veach has been quoted as saying running backs in Andy Reid’s offense “need to be a better receiver than a runner” and ties them to Georgia back Trevor Etienne

Dylan Sampson would be the perfect fit for them

Or Treyveyon

Sure, but do they go RB in round 1?

I doubt it. They have a lot of FA on defense. But this is a deep RB class. If they’re only looking for a 3rd gear speedy compliment they can wait.

Yeah, even the article this speculation comes from says the Chiefs should consider options "perhaps as soon as day 2".

getting an additional RB in the room in a draft year where RB are quite plentiful is not a bad idea. Especially when there is a chance your #1 guy may not be 100% to start the year.

I am guessing they draft a RB in round 2. possibly round 3. tough to speculate when I dont have the medical report on Pacheco at my fingertips.

I dont think they grab a round 1 RB unless that injury affects Pacheco by more than we all thought.

 

[menobrown]

The Athletic’s Nate Taylor writes that the Chiefs “need a young, dynamic running back to pair with” Isiah Pacheco.
Rarely do you see a beat writer go with the word “need,” but here we are. Kansas City clearly had no juice in the running game all last season as Pacheco struggled to run the same after returning from a broken leg. Kareem Hunt was a steady veteran pounder but couldn’t hit a second gear. Taylor notes that Brett Veach has been quoted as saying running backs in Andy Reid’s offense “need to be a better receiver than a runner” and ties them to Georgia back Trevor Etienne

Dylan Sampson would be the perfect fit for them

Or Treyveyon

Sure, but do they go RB in round 1?

I doubt it. They have a lot of FA on defense. But this is a deep RB class. If they’re only looking for a 3rd gear speedy compliment they can wait.

Yeah, even the article this speculation comes from says the Chiefs should consider options "perhaps as soon as day 2".

getting an additional RB in the room in a draft year where RB are quite plentiful is not a bad idea. Especially when there is a chance your #1 guy may not be 100% to start the year.

I am guessing they draft a RB in round 2. possibly round 3. tough to speculate when I dont have the medical report on Pacheco at my fingertips.

I dont think they grab a round 1 RB unless that injury affects Pacheco by more than we all thought.

I don’t share any concerns about his injury recovery. Was tough to return from last season but he’ll be good to go.

As such I’d guess round 3 at earliest.

 

[Penguin]

He's gonna be upsurped

 

[Buckna]

KC has much bigger needs at Tackle, Edge and Interior D'line, DB, and WR IMO and it's a very deep RB class with decent complimentary options available on day 3. They do have an extra 3rd but I expect they will probably trade down from one of those spots as they have no 5th or 6th rounders. Or potentially they use that extra 3rd to move up from 31 to target an impact OT or pass rusher. They resigned Hunt, added Mitchell who was good in SF (when healthy) and Pacheco gets a full off-season to rehab.

But this is a team that wasted a late 1st on CEH so who knows what they do?

 

[osubuckeyeman]

The Athletic’s Nate Taylor writes that the Chiefs “need a young, dynamic running back to pair with” Isiah Pacheco.
Rarely do you see a beat writer go with the word “need,” but here we are. Kansas City clearly had no juice in the running game all last season as Pacheco struggled to run the same after returning from a broken leg. Kareem Hunt was a steady veteran pounder but couldn’t hit a second gear. Taylor notes that Brett Veach has been quoted as saying running backs in Andy Reid’s offense “need to be a better receiver than a runner” and ties them to Georgia back Trevor Etienne

Dylan Sampson would be the perfect fit for them

Or Treyveyon

Sure, but do they go RB in round 1?

I doubt it. They have a lot of FA on defense. But this is a deep RB class. If they’re only looking for a 3rd gear speedy compliment they can wait.

Yeah, even the article this speculation comes from says the Chiefs should consider options "perhaps as soon as day 2".

getting an additional RB in the room in a draft year where RB are quite plentiful is not a bad idea. Especially when there is a chance your #1 guy may not be 100% to start the year.

I am guessing they draft a RB in round 2. possibly round 3. tough to speculate when I dont have the medical report on Pacheco at my fingertips.

I dont think they grab a round 1 RB unless that injury affects Pacheco by more than we all thought.

I think they will, for sure, not just because of injury. He is on a contract year, I believe.

Not many backs get a second contract with the same team, so they are definitely drafting a back at some point or finding one.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Pacheco looked cooked when he returned from injury.

Brashard Smith would be a smash fit here, and can be had later on.

He should bounce back this year. The injury is one of those that takes a year to recover from.

I'm not an NFL football player by any means, but I had pretty much the same injury, and you just need a lot of time. It is very similar to Pollard's injury, which was a full-year injury.

I had two surgeries and you can not really do anything for months and then have to get back into shape. It is mentally taxing as well. He should be fine this season.

I had heard the same thing (slow healing injury). in fact from what I understand there is a reasonable chance Pacheco still may not fully be himself until the second half of next year.

I have not followed his injury extensively. Bone healing is not the real issue. Ligaments take forever to heal, and the degree of damage can vary. There will be no way to tell for people outside the building or his family the extent of the injury, but the fact that he could even play last year tells me he should be good to go. It's just a guess, but they should have placed him on IR last season. I was shocked he came back. He is 25 years old, so his body heals better and faster than older bodies.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Can’t wait to see KC draft another RB in the 1st round.

 

[acarey50]

It's Elijah Mitchell time for KC. No need to spend a heavy draft capital on an RB. At least for a couple of my dynasty teams this would provide some payoff.

 

[King of the Jungle]

It's Elijah Mitchell time for KC. No need to spend a heavy draft capital on an RB. At least for a couple of my dynasty teams this would provide some payoff.

I doubt they draft an early RB, but counting on Elijah to be healthy would be a mistake. Depending on the cost, JK Dobbins is still on the market.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's Elijah Mitchell time for KC. No need to spend a heavy draft capital on an RB. At least for a couple of my dynasty teams this would provide some payoff.

I doubt they draft an early RB, but counting on Elijah to be healthy would be a mistake. Depending on the cost, JK Dobbins is still on the market.

Counting on JK Dobbins to stay healthy is even crazier than counting on Elijah Mitchell to stay healthy.

 

[acarey50]

It's Elijah Mitchell time for KC. No need to spend a heavy draft capital on an RB. At least for a couple of my dynasty teams this would provide some payoff.

I doubt they draft an early RB, but counting on Elijah to be healthy would be a mistake. Depending on the cost, JK Dobbins is still on the market.

Counting on JK Dobbins to stay healthy is even crazier than counting on Elijah Mitchell to stay healthy.

Anyone else picturing the Spiderman pointing at himself meme with this?

 

[King of the Jungle]

It's Elijah Mitchell time for KC. No need to spend a heavy draft capital on an RB. At least for a couple of my dynasty teams this would provide some payoff.

I doubt they draft an early RB, but counting on Elijah to be healthy would be a mistake. Depending on the cost, JK Dobbins is still on the market.

Counting on JK Dobbins to stay healthy is even crazier than counting on Elijah Mitchell to stay healthy.

Last year Dobbins played in 13 games and rushed for over 900 yards. Mitchell not so much. I agree Dobbins has not had a healthy career, but rather take a shot at him over Mitchell.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Last year Dobbins played in 13 games and rushed for over 900 yards. Mitchell not so much. I agree Dobbins has not had a healthy career, but rather take a shot at him over Mitchell.

13 games.

lol

And he’s hurt every year. Cmon.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Last year Dobbins played in 13 games and rushed for over 900 yards. Mitchell not so much. I agree Dobbins has not had a healthy career, but rather take a shot at him over Mitchell.

13 games.

lol

And he’s hurt every year. Cmon.

13 games would be a personal best for Elijah.

 

[menobrown]

Not always telling but if you want to take this as a sign of what range the Chiefs are shopping for a RB the only one's they've had in for 30 visits are Martinez, Croskey-Merrit and some little guy from Central Arkansas I've never heard off.

 

[travdogg]

Not always telling but if you want to take this as a sign of what range the Chiefs are shopping for a RB the only one's they've had in for 30 visits are Martinez, Croskey-Merrit and some little guy from Central Arkansas I've never heard off.

Martinez would be pretty interesting, and someone I think would certainly get a role in that backfield.

 

[crushedspirit]

I heard they had Neal in for a visit as well as Martinez. Two different backs, but it purely depends on what they're looking for.

 

[JohnnyU]

Last year Dobbins played in 13 games and rushed for over 900 yards. Mitchell not so much. I agree Dobbins has not had a healthy career, but rather take a shot at him over Mitchell.

13 games.

lol

And he’s hurt every year. Cmon.

I agree with him.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

with so many other needs at crucial positions no way they take one in the first....Pacheco/Hunt/Mitchell/etc good enough for now...maybe a flyer later in draft or add a dobbins/chubb/edwards....

100% will not be looking at RB in round one....if they were they probably wouldn't have resigned Hunt and brought in Mitchell...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

with so many other needs at crucial positions no way they take one in the first....Pacheco/Hunt/Mitchell/etc good enough for now...maybe a flyer later in draft or add a dobbins/chubb/edwards....

100% will not be looking at RB in round one....if they were they probably wouldn't have resigned Hunt and brought in Mitchell...

I was joking. But it’s the Chiefs. They do be squirrelly sometimes.

 

[Ray_T]

KC has much bigger needs at Tackle, Edge and Interior D'line, DB, and WR IMO and it's a very deep RB class with decent complimentary options available on day 3. They do have an extra 3rd but I expect they will probably trade down from one of those spots as they have no 5th or 6th rounders. Or potentially they use that extra 3rd to move up from 31 to target an impact OT or pass rusher. They resigned Hunt, added Mitchell who was good in SF (when healthy) and Pacheco gets a full off-season to rehab.

But this is a team that wasted a late 1st on CEH so who knows what they do?

I'd agree. in the superbowl, they were manhandled on the line. They will be looking to upgrade either the O line or the D line (or both if they can)

 

[Ray_T]

It's Elijah Mitchell time for KC. No need to spend a heavy draft capital on an RB. At least for a couple of my dynasty teams this would provide some payoff.

I doubt they draft an early RB, but counting on Elijah to be healthy would be a mistake. Depending on the cost, JK Dobbins is still on the market.

Counting on JK Dobbins to stay healthy is even crazier than counting on Elijah Mitchell to stay healthy.

well, if Pacheco is the #1 Dobbins makes a good 1A.

Less volume may hopefully mean he stays on the field. hes actually the ideal backup. a guy who can perform for short periods of time in the event of an injury and who can take a decent number of touches to keep your #1 RB fresh.

If Pacheco isnt where he needs to be then Dobbins needs to take a larger role.

He is able to do this for up to 6 or 7 games. any more than that his body likely breaks down on him and he goes on the IR.

so I think a third round RB in this deep draft may get the job done. We shall see. Personally I'd upgrade the O line before I'd upgrade the RB position. but I'm a big believer that everything starts and ends on the line. if you control the line, you control the game. you can get by with a mediocre RB if your line is top notch.

 

[warpig33]

Show of hands...who else thinks this will be a nasty 3 headed RBBC with Hunt being the 1A, Pacheco 1B, and Mitchell/rookie 1C? I think the only one I'd feel comfortable with is Hunt. Pacheco's running style (looks like he stomps the ground when he runs) will be his downfall. I love how punishing he runs, but his body wont.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Show of hands...who else thinks this will be a nasty 3 headed RBBC with Hunt being the 1A, Pacheco 1B, and Mitchell/rookie 1C? I think the only one I'd feel comfortable with is Hunt. Pacheco's running style (looks like he stomps the ground when he runs) will be his downfall. I love how punishing he runs, but his body wont.

I’m avoiding in redraft.

If there’s still any window to move Pacheco in dynasty, I would (if I still had any shares)

 

[King of the Jungle]

Seems like everyone is shutting door on Pacheco. I believe this is a contract year for him, if he was able to recover fully I would expect a big year from him.

 

[ffmail4me]

Seems like everyone is shutting door on Pacheco. I believe this is a contract year for him, if he was able to recover fully I would expect a big year from him.

I agree, he runs hard, with violence, I don't think he has forgotten how to do that, he just wasn't fully healthy last year. But if they do draft a RB in the first 3 rounds, I'd be concerned about his long term value.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Seems like everyone is shutting door on Pacheco. I believe this is a contract year for him, if he was able to recover fully I would expect a big year from him.

I agree, he runs hard, with violence, I don't think he has forgotten how to do that, he just wasn't fully healthy last year. But if they do draft a RB in the first 3 rounds, I'd be concerned about his long term value.

I don’t think anyone will ever question whether he runs hard or with violence.

I do believe there are concerns over how fluid of a receiver he is (important in a Reid offense) and how well he reads a defense. Pacheco seems like a “gets what the OL gives him” kinda dude.

For FF he was mostly a volume-dependent RB. And while he runs hard/violently, I can’t recall him dragging defenders to get extra yards, or having a breakaway long run like, ever.

I’m not trashing the dude. I drafted him in multiple leagues and he was an absolute bargain. I actually love watching him run - taking 27 steps to gain 4 yards is super entertaining. IIRC it was @rockaction who turned me on to him.

But IMO that backfield is gonna get more crowded either through the draft or FA. And this is a deep draft for RB.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Seems like everyone is shutting door on Pacheco. I believe this is a contract year for him, if he was able to recover fully I would expect a big year from him.

I agree, he runs hard, with violence, I don't think he has forgotten how to do that, he just wasn't fully healthy last year. But if they do draft a RB in the first 3 rounds, I'd be concerned about his long term value.

I do think they will probably look at an RB between 3-5. This may have something to do with their thoughts of extending Pacheco. I think regardless of what they do, a healthy Pacheco is in line to see a lot of work this coming season.

 

[menobrown]

Show of hands...who else thinks this will be a nasty 3 headed RBBC with Hunt being the 1A, Pacheco 1B, and Mitchell/rookie 1C?

I won't show you my hand. Will be some form of a RBBC but it will be led by Pachecho who I believe will be a mid to low end RB3.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Pacheco was is starting to look like one of the better values based on offseason perception. No reason they do not feed him a good work load especially if they are not planning on re-signing him. His running style makes him a tough long term commitment, but they got their money’s worth from the 7h rounder. People in the offseason always seem to think rookies are ready to jump in the lineup. KC will not be burning a first on a rookie RB. Even in the second round coming into Reid’s complicated system doesn’t guarantee he jumps Pacheco by any means. Although a deep RB class, I would consider Jeanty as the only elite talent. There are a lot of GOOD running back prospects in this draft and a lot of teams will take advantage of that next week.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

who I believe will be a mid to low end RB3.

This sounds realistic.

It also sounds less optimistic than what others have opined.

 

[warpig33]

Here's the rub, Pacheco was getting the lions share of carries (but never over 20) before he got hurt and then they brought in Hunt. Hunt then took over and was getting over 20 carries a game. Then Pacheco comes back and it turns in to an ugly RBBC where neither got a lot of touches. It seems to me, Hunt is more trusted in ALL facets of the game. And Pacheco is like the punisher. They give him a handful of carries to tire out the defense and then let Hunt shred them. And now enter Mitchell who can be effective as a runner and receiver and this gets uglier. Add in they'll most likely draft a late round guy. AND they still have Carson Steele. Not sure we'll be able to trust any of the RBs in KC to be worthy starters in your lineups.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

AND they still have Carson Steele

He’s more of a fullback, and unlikely to touch the ball much.

 

[warpig33]

AND they still have Carson Steele

He’s more of a fullback, and unlikely to touch the ball much.

Yeah, he's more of a blue chipper favorite in KC. But he did get 17 carries in week 3 against Atlanta. Then 8 carries in a blowout loss to DEN in the final game of the regular season. And ZERO touches in the post season.

 

[menobrown]

Pachecho had a fractured fibula. The earliest possible recovery time for this kind of injury is generally 6-8 weeks but when surgery is required full healing usually takes 4-6 months. He missed 10 weeks. In other words he was cleared to play but not back to his normal stuff and failing to factor that into the equation does not make sense to me.

Some of Reids comments he made a few weeks ago:

“He was physically OK to go,” insisted Reid. “But when you’re looking at [the film], it’s minute stuff — just maybe that ability to cut as quick as he did before. Now it’s still quick, but you’re talking inches here. Was it what he could do before? Well, it wasn’t.”

“I think he’ll be even better this year,” Reid told reporters on Monday morning at the league’s meetings in Palm Beach, Florida, per The Kansas City Star. “He was forcing that thing coming back.”

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Pachecho had a fractured fibula. The earliest possible recovery time for this kind of injury is generally 6-8 weeks but when surgery is required full healing usually takes 4-6 months. He missed 10 weeks. In other words he was cleared to play but not back to his normal stuff and failing to factor that into the equation does not make sense to me.

Some of Reids comments he made a few weeks ago:

“He was physically OK to go,” insisted Reid. “But when you’re looking at [the film], it’s minute stuff — just maybe that ability to cut as quick as he did before. Now it’s still quick, but you’re talking inches here. Was it what he could do before? Well, it wasn’t.”

“I think he’ll be even better this year,” Reid told reporters on Monday morning at the league’s meetings in Palm Beach, Florida, per The Kansas City Star. “He was forcing that thing coming back.”

That’s all fair, but “I think he’ll be better” and “he’ll get a ton of work” are two different things.

I have no doubt he’ll be better with an off-season to heal. I’m just not sure being better equates to anything more than a RB3/Flex type RB.

Prediction: This topic will have 50+ more replies before the NFL draft, & they’ll either be validated or crushed by what the Chiefs do in the 3rd round.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I have no shares, but based on the sentiment I plan on making some offers.

 

[menobrown]

Pachecho had a fractured fibula. The earliest possible recovery time for this kind of injury is generally 6-8 weeks but when surgery is required full healing usually takes 4-6 months. He missed 10 weeks. In other words he was cleared to play but not back to his normal stuff and failing to factor that into the equation does not make sense to me.

Some of Reids comments he made a few weeks ago:

“He was physically OK to go,” insisted Reid. “But when you’re looking at [the film], it’s minute stuff — just maybe that ability to cut as quick as he did before. Now it’s still quick, but you’re talking inches here. Was it what he could do before? Well, it wasn’t.”

“I think he’ll be even better this year,” Reid told reporters on Monday morning at the league’s meetings in Palm Beach, Florida, per The Kansas City Star. “He was forcing that thing coming back.”

That’s all fair, but “I think he’ll be better” and “he’ll get a ton of work” are two different things.

I have no doubt he’ll be better with an off-season to heal. I’m just not sure being better equates to anything more than a RB3/Flex type RB.

Prediction: This topic will have 50+ more replies before the NFL draft, & they’ll either be validated or crushed by what the Chiefs do in the 3rd round.

Well, never said or indicated anything about "he'll get a ton of work". All I've maintained is that he'll be the top option, highest usage in the backfield and people looking at him through the prism of what he was after he returned from injury last year are looking at this incorrectly and in that similar vein are way to high on Hunt.

Not this needs to be said but I do NOT own him in dynasty. Any place I own him is because I saw value in redrafts for a RB who is going 5 or so rounds later then he was this time last year in RB30+ range. Just to point out I'm not some dynasty owner trying to convince myself of something but I am a buyer of a stock I think people are grading a little to cheaply because they can't get out of their heads the guy they saw returning prematurely from an injury last year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Pachecho had a fractured fibula. The earliest possible recovery time for this kind of injury is generally 6-8 weeks but when surgery is required full healing usually takes 4-6 months. He missed 10 weeks. In other words he was cleared to play but not back to his normal stuff and failing to factor that into the equation does not make sense to me.

Some of Reids comments he made a few weeks ago:

“He was physically OK to go,” insisted Reid. “But when you’re looking at [the film], it’s minute stuff — just maybe that ability to cut as quick as he did before. Now it’s still quick, but you’re talking inches here. Was it what he could do before? Well, it wasn’t.”

“I think he’ll be even better this year,” Reid told reporters on Monday morning at the league’s meetings in Palm Beach, Florida, per The Kansas City Star. “He was forcing that thing coming back.”

That’s all fair, but “I think he’ll be better” and “he’ll get a ton of work” are two different things.

I have no doubt he’ll be better with an off-season to heal. I’m just not sure being better equates to anything more than a RB3/Flex type RB.

Prediction: This topic will have 50+ more replies before the NFL draft, & they’ll either be validated or crushed by what the Chiefs do in the 3rd round.

Well, never said or indicated anything about "he'll get a ton of work". All I've maintained is that he'll be the top option, highest usage in the backfield and people looking at him through the prism of what he was after he returned from injury last year are looking at this incorrectly and in that similar vein are way to high on Hunt.

Not this needs to be said but I do NOT own him in dynasty. Any place I own him is because I saw value in redrafts for a RB who is going 5 or so rounds later then he was this time last year in RB30+ range. Just to point out I'm not some dynasty owner trying to convince myself of something but I am a buyer of a stock I think people are grading a little to cheaply because they can't get out of their heads the guy they saw returning prematurely from an injury last year.

Oh for sure - apologies, I should have made it more clear that I was speaking “to the room” rather than as a rebuttal to your point.

More expanding on it. Yes, he’ll be better after recovery, but (to add to that) I don’t believe he’ll have a sizable enough workload to justify some of the expectations in here (not necessarily set by you).

 

[King of the Jungle]

Pachecho had a fractured fibula. The earliest possible recovery time for this kind of injury is generally 6-8 weeks but when surgery is required full healing usually takes 4-6 months. He missed 10 weeks. In other words he was cleared to play but not back to his normal stuff and failing to factor that into the equation does not make sense to me.

Some of Reids comments he made a few weeks ago:

“He was physically OK to go,” insisted Reid. “But when you’re looking at [the film], it’s minute stuff — just maybe that ability to cut as quick as he did before. Now it’s still quick, but you’re talking inches here. Was it what he could do before? Well, it wasn’t.”

“I think he’ll be even better this year,” Reid told reporters on Monday morning at the league’s meetings in Palm Beach, Florida, per The Kansas City Star. “He was forcing that thing coming back.”

That’s all fair, but “I think he’ll be better” and “he’ll get a ton of work” are two different things.

I have no doubt he’ll be better with an off-season to heal. I’m just not sure being better equates to anything more than a RB3/Flex type RB.

Prediction: This topic will have 50+ more replies before the NFL draft, & they’ll either be validated or crushed by what the Chiefs do in the 3rd round.

Well, never said or indicated anything about "he'll get a ton of work". All I've maintained is that he'll be the top option, highest usage in the backfield and people looking at him through the prism of what he was after he returned from injury last year are looking at this incorrectly and in that similar vein are way to high on Hunt.

Not this needs to be said but I do NOT own him in dynasty. Any place I own him is because I saw value in redrafts for a RB who is going 5 or so rounds later then he was this time last year in RB30+ range. Just to point out I'm not some dynasty owner trying to convince myself of something but I am a buyer of a stock I think people are grading a little to cheaply because they can't get out of their heads the guy they saw returning prematurely from an injury last year.

Oh for sure - apologies, I should have made it more clear that I was speaking “to the room” rather than as a retort to your point.

More expanding on it. Yes, he’ll be better after recovery, but (to add to that) I don’t believe he’ll have a sizable enough workload to justify some of the expectations in here (not necessarily set by you).

If you are referring to me on the expectations, I do not think he will be a RB1. Points tend to get exaggerated at times. To clarify my point he seems undervalued for those believing he is an RB3 or will be committee’d out with a 3rd day rookie RB. I think if healthy he will fall into the RB2 range. If I were KC I would run him hard this year and have no interest in re-signing him long term due to his violent running style. Of course with a good season and the influx of running backs maybe they can get him to take a one year deal if he performs and the market is soft.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you are referring to me on the expectations

Not necessarily no.

To clarify my point he seems undervalued for those believing he is an RB3 or will be committee’d out with a 3rd day rookie RB. I think if healthy he will fall into the RB2 range

I think that’s overrating him a bit.

RB3/Flex seems like a solid bet. Downside for less depending on the draft.

This is a team that loves to throw on 1st & goal, and despite Pacheco’s violent run style, he’s shown he is not great in short yardage.

If he were my RB2 I’d be extremely nervous about it. If he were my RB3 for Flex or BYE coverage I’d have no issue with it.

If someone in your league sees RB2 or greater value, then I think you should strongly consider selling for that.

 

[King of the Jungle]

If you are referring to me on the expectations

Not necessarily no.

To clarify my point he seems undervalued for those believing he is an RB3 or will be committee’d out with a 3rd day rookie RB. I think if healthy he will fall into the RB2 range

I think that’s overrating him a bit.

RB3/Flex seems like a solid bet. Downside for less depending on the draft.

This is a team that loves to throw on 1st & goal, and despite Pacheco’s violent run style, he’s shown he is not great in short yardage.

If he were my RB2 I’d be extremely nervous about it. If he were my RB3 for Flex or BYE coverage I’d have no issue with it.

If someone in your league sees RB2 or greater value, then I think you should strongly consider selling for that.

I do not own him, but will be sniffing the waters if I get the sense he is fully recovered. Would be happy to buy for RB3 prices. Reid was talking about him last off-season being ready for a bigger role in the passing game and he had 8 targets in the first two games prior to injury. Not a big deal, again I do not think he is a an RB1…just think because of injury he could be a decent value. Will not really break my heart if it doesn’t pan out if the cost is nominal.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Will not really break my heart if it doesn’t pan out if the cost is nominal.

Fair take.

In redraft I'm the same - if he's there late enough because price gets depressed due to KC taking a RB in the 3rd or 4th, then I might bite as a RB3-4.

I'm not particularly interested in dynasty - I think that ship has sailed.

 

[ffmail4me]

AND they still have Carson Steele

He’s more of a fullback, and unlikely to touch the ball much.

But I sure hope he can carve out a bigger role. I love me some Crocodile Dundee

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

AND they still have Carson Steele

He’s more of a fullback, and unlikely to touch the ball much.

But I sure hope he can carve out a bigger role. I love me some Crocodile Dundee

I drafted him late and in a 16 team SF I couldn’t give him away. Not even for a future 7th.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

If you are referring to me on the expectations

Not necessarily no.

To clarify my point he seems undervalued for those believing he is an RB3 or will be committee’d out with a 3rd day rookie RB. I think if healthy he will fall into the RB2 range

I think that’s overrating him a bit.

RB3/Flex seems like a solid bet. Downside for less depending on the draft.

This is a team that loves to throw on 1st & goal, and despite Pacheco’s violent run style, he’s shown he is not great in short yardage.

If he were my RB2 I’d be extremely nervous about it. If he were my RB3 for Flex or BYE coverage I’d have no issue with it.

If someone in your league sees RB2 or greater value, then I think you should strongly consider selling for that.

I do not own him, but will be sniffing the waters if I get the sense he is fully recovered. Would be happy to buy for RB3 prices. Reid was talking about him last off-season being ready for a bigger role in the passing game and he had 8 targets in the first two games prior to injury. Not a big deal, again I do not think he is a an RB1…just think because of injury he could be a decent value. Will not really break my heart if it doesn’t pan out if the cost is nominal.

The problem here is getting a manager who held on through to this point to give up on him now for a buy-low offer or less than value. I suppose if the roster spot became more critical, but fibula and lower leg injuries, ligaments, and bones have a better chance to recover fully year two, and he will be 26, he should be in his prime. I see the contract being more of his issue; he will be a UFA next year which may be motivation for him this season but rarely do running backs get second contracts with the same team. I would be a bit concerned as to where he goes next and what offense he is in for 2026. He is a good rental for sure. All players are different therefore outcomes can be different but that said I would not make any decisions based of his injury if I was a current Pacheco manager. I would treat him as fully healthy as of right now and any deal I was discussing would be under that assumption.

 

[Ray_T]

I'm not an NFL football player by any means, but I had pretty much the same injury, and you just need a lot of time. It is very similar to Pollard's injury, which was a full-year injury.

agreed. they brought him back too early I think.

I figured he might improve with more reps, but he looked worse as the season went on.

this actually isnt uncommon when they bring a person back too early. can also mess with your confidence too. with a full off season its likely he will be better.

my only question is whether he will be all the way better. I hope so.....

 

[Ray_T]

AND they still have Carson Steele

He’s more of a fullback, and unlikely to touch the ball much.

But I sure hope he can carve out a bigger role. I love me some Crocodile Dundee

I drafted him late and in a 16 team SF I couldn’t give him away. Not even for a future 7th.

his value went away once Hunt got there. then when Pacheco returned, his value really went to zero.

there are too many bodies in front of him on the depth chart. I like him, but I dont think I'd want him for fantasy.