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RB Isiah Pacheco, KC (1 Viewer)
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possibly. but Reid is a coach that will give Pacheco fair chance to keep his job. Thats the way he operates. At times hes been accused by some I know of being too loyal to his players/coaches but thats also why the people under him are loyal to him as well.
team has solid depth at the position now, but given the depth of the RB class this year, any team with any questions whatsoever at the RB spot should be taking a RB in the first 3-4 rounds. You would be dumb not to.
Yes KC will draft a RB, Veach said as much, but I'd slow down on the assumption that RB will take Pachecho's job when we don't even know the draft capital, player or player type(like do they draft a third down type).
I think his value is already set on assumption that KC drafts a RB, maybe not a round 1-2 type, but this is already factored into his equation.
His value is dicey for sure but so are majority of RB's right now. Difficult to take the approach IMO of selling off every RB the draft might ding or not investing in any of them right now in redraft because the pool of RB's that this does not apply to very small.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
I think that if you look at completed trades, you will see that he is not going for third-round picks. I have seen a couple of outliers, and I have seen him going for thirds, and another piece added. Most of the trades I saw in April involved him going for 2nd-round picks if it is Pacheco straight up for a pick. Unless you need the roster spot, why not just hold him and wait to see what happens? The first good game he has, his value will go up. He is going to get a chance to show he is healthy.
Oh I've argued he's worth more than a 3rd a few pages ago, but just check the dynasty trade thread and people are sending him for a 3rd rounder.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
KTC has him as a late 2nd; ~2.10.
On the other hand, I wouldn't even pay a third for him straight up myself. He's ranked/valued almost identically to Jaylen Warren and I'd take Warren over him 99 times out of 100, with the other 1 time I'll attribute to a misclick haha. I can see him being a hold in the off chance KC doesn't draft a RB/doesn't take one till very late; but people should have sold him when he was way overvalued at RB11/12 last year.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
I was looking at completed trades at another dynasty site. Which reviews trades completed in all types of formats for the month of Aprii and mainly he is going for second round pick. He is going all over the second round and there are some third rounders but most of those have a player involved as well. I do not doubt there people trading for third rounders but do not think that is going to be a lot of Pacheo managers right now selling for a third.
warpig33
Footballguy
I think people are realizing that Hunt is the more talented back and can play on all 3 downs. Pacheco will probably be relegated to a gimmick play kinda guy. Bring him in at the goalline as a decoy, bring him in on obvious passing downs to throw off the defense...that kind of stuff. So hard to trust RBs anymore. Especially after injury.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is very likely the correct answer.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
The main reason why he got as much run as he did is that he's an energy guy and the guy ahead of him on the depth chart was CEH. I'm sure his coaches and teammates love that he's a kneecap biter type. Has enough skill, size and speed to get most jobs done but he's really not that special from a skill standpoint. The big question is whether he can grow as a player. Clearly the injury hampered his ability to hurt the ground while running which was his top skill. Whether or not he remains valuable as a fantasy player in 2025 and beyond has everything to do with what he's doing right now. If he's grinding tape, lifting, running and practicing, maybe he will. If he's sitting on a beach drinking a pina colada and eating peeps, he's toast.
Hunt couldn't get snaps in Cleveland.
Hunt couldn't get snaps in Cleveland.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
If he has half a brain he will be in tip-top shape and then some (contract year).
warpig33
Footballguy
And so it begins...(from Rotoworld via Jeremy Fowler)
"Chiefs conducted a virtual pre-draft call with Ohio State RB TreVeyon Henderson.
Henderson’s draft stock has risen considerably over the past two weeks, and ahead of Thursday’s first round of the 2025 NFL Draft, he could go in the top-15 or 20 selections. The Broncos and Steelers have expressed interested in Henderson, and now the Chiefs are doing their due diligence in case Henderson falls to them with the 31st pick in the draft. The versatile Henderson, 22, rushed for 3,761 yards and 42 touchdowns while at Ohio State and ran for 183-1,248-15 as a true freshman in 2021. His addition to the KC backfield would be a major problem for Isiah Pacheco’s 2025 fantasy prospects. Pacheco, coming off a serious 2024 leg injury, would enter a timeshare backfield split at best."
"Chiefs conducted a virtual pre-draft call with Ohio State RB TreVeyon Henderson.
Henderson’s draft stock has risen considerably over the past two weeks, and ahead of Thursday’s first round of the 2025 NFL Draft, he could go in the top-15 or 20 selections. The Broncos and Steelers have expressed interested in Henderson, and now the Chiefs are doing their due diligence in case Henderson falls to them with the 31st pick in the draft. The versatile Henderson, 22, rushed for 3,761 yards and 42 touchdowns while at Ohio State and ran for 183-1,248-15 as a true freshman in 2021. His addition to the KC backfield would be a major problem for Isiah Pacheco’s 2025 fantasy prospects. Pacheco, coming off a serious 2024 leg injury, would enter a timeshare backfield split at best."
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Funny thing is, Westbrook started out as part of a 3-headed monster. Even when he became the clear alpha, there was always another back that got a good amount of carries, especially in short yardage.
The point being, it’s never really been Reid’s thing to have one back who dominates everything.
dipandglide
Footballguy
I just picked up my first Pacheco share for Jack Bech—a mid-late 2nd feels about right for an RB2 with upside. There are lots of questions about Pacheco's long-term value in a contract year. I hope he stays healthy, delivers RB2+ production, and is given another few years to run.
How do you value Pacheco in dynasty? Is a mid-2nd worth the ride?
How do you value Pacheco in dynasty? Is a mid-2nd worth the ride?
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Duce Staley is a coach in the league. He was the thunder to Westbrooks entire storm during the eagles days.
Reid never had one 400 touch guy
Moody
Everyone forgot about Isiah Pacheco.
17.6 touches per game pre-injury
The RB26 in ESPN fantasy football leagues.
warpig33
Footballguy
I just don't think he'll get the meaningful touches. They still have Hunt, brought in Mitchell, and drafted Brashard. It sounds like Brashard may be used in passing situations or maybe the slot? I assume they will rotate in Hunt often since he's shown he can still be productive. I see Pacheco as the thumper. Like another Robert Smith that gets the work between the 20s then gets yanked. At least until he gets hurt. Then it's the Hunt show again. I could be wrong. But this is what my gut is telling me. Because I own Pacheco in several leagues.
zamboni
Footballguy
This is the way I see it - if you're hoping for 15-20+ touches per week by Pacheco, you may be disappointed unless they're running out the clock. And not sure how many of those touches will be in the passing game, which obviously are much more valuable in PPR leagues than carries.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
I think we won't know until we know. If he is a year and a half out from his injury, he should, at his age, have recovered above the average. I guess it will depend on how he does with his opportunities. He is in a contract year, and preparing sooner rather than later is smart. They like him, and I do not think it is beyond the Chiefs extending him in some form or another. That will depend on the market and how he does. The Chiefs have options, but it is not like they invested much in the position. Hunt is not a long-term option either, and Smith does not have the draft investment to say he is the answer, but he will have a say in that. Mitchell can not tie his shoe without getting hurt, so they can not look to him as the answer, even if he stays healthy this season. The options are numerous, including trading for a back if needed. I see a path for Pacheco to get a decent dose of usage to see if he can carry the load and where his health is. I think he is an above-average pass protector and has good hands from a real football standpoint. It comes down to health and the market. They do like him quite a bit, though.
The big thing is that teams have a lot of options with running backs: supply and demand. The supply of running backs allows for all kinds of options, and none are off the table at the running back position. Of course, there are exceptions, Barkley being one of those. Perhaps Josh Jacobs and Gibbs could fall into this category, but not a lot more backs that are must-have pressure point contracts or players that can not have options to keep or get out of cheaply. Trading for one is even cheaper if you want to go that route.
The big thing is that teams have a lot of options with running backs: supply and demand. The supply of running backs allows for all kinds of options, and none are off the table at the running back position. Of course, there are exceptions, Barkley being one of those. Perhaps Josh Jacobs and Gibbs could fall into this category, but not a lot more backs that are must-have pressure point contracts or players that can not have options to keep or get out of cheaply. Trading for one is even cheaper if you want to go that route.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He is already laying the groundwork for his next contract negotiationsFunny thing is, I posted on 'X' about how the Chiefs will just rotate backs in and out all season and if he wants to be a true stud he needs to go to another team. And Pacheco "Loved" the post.I assume he feels the same?
wgoldsph
Footballguy
What writing? A bunch of uninspiring backups?
Genuinely curious why you would consider a washed up rb, an injured rb, and a 7th round rookie to be "writing on the wall"
Genuinely curious if you have watched Hunt play in the past three years.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
He's priced as what he is likely to produce as. RB 24ish. This is a very useful commodity in most leagues but if he's losing even a few touches, could easily end up a slight liability from a VORP standpoint. OTOH, if he ends up with a slight uptick in targets over what's expected or falls into the end zone a few more times, you're getting a pretty decent value.
I don't think people are really expecting more than that.
I don't think people are really expecting more than that.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
If Pacheco could be guaranteed more goal line and 2-4 receptions a game we would be cooking but there’s some Gus Edward’s to his fantasy output
Is it me but does an ADP of 70 ish for Pacheco seem a bit...insane?
He's being taken around the likes of T. Pollard, T. Tracy and such. Why wouldn't he be in the tier of Walker/Hubbard/Conner/Kamara/Henderson???
Something seems off here.
Sure he broke his leg last year, but I'd think a healthy Pacheco would rebound. He'll get some screens for sure as well...he's far from having brick walls for hands.
Walker has Charbs breathing down his neck but is drafted in the high 30s/low 40s, yet Pacheco is 70s? Are we really worried about K. Hunt?
Sign me up for that all day.
warpig33
Footballguy
I think it's because they'll rotate personnel groups fairly often. Hunt will get a good amount of touches regardless if Pacheco gets hurt. Mitchell may eat into it as well. And then you have Brashard who may take some passing down/decoy snaps. He runs so hard he looks like he's stomping the ground as he runs and he likes to punish defenders. I think he'll be the thunder and RBBC for the lightning. And due to his running style, he makes himself susceptible to injuries. All I know is I used to get pissed watching him on the sidelines for goalline situations. And they still have Carson Steele whom they like too. That's why I keep comparing him to Robert Smith. Dude does all his work between the 20's and then heads to the sidelines.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hunt had 200 carries about 700 yds on the ground, he didn't run away with the job or nothing.
He had 7 Tds, that skews his stats and makes it sound like he's a reliable weekly starter, he's not
Hunt will not get a ton of snap counts if Pacheco can stay on the field plus I hear good things about others they have in the RB room
Plus Reid is notorious for bringing in a Vet no one saw coming in like Nov if he thinks they need more there.
In the 7th round, Pacheco is likely worth the risk but I've had him for 2 years now and it's been a disappointment
I don't expect much so therefore I won't be disappointed again and if he surprises all the better
I'm not actively drafting him right now, I pass and see others that are more reliable
Who in that range are you preferring?
I feel like recency bias is taking over here. He clearly wasn't himself when he came back last year.
If you look at his usage prior to the injury, the first two games of the season last year and also the end of 2023 (including the playoffs), he was ripping it up.
Now maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Still, I see RBs with warts in the 40s so I don't see why he's going 25-30 picks later.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Pollard is woefully undervalued IMHO
Monty is taken around Pacheco who actually went Middle 6th in one of my recent redrafts
I'm with you on Pollard. He's another guy I think should be in the tier above.
Both Pollard and Pacheco are usually gone at the 6/7 turn. Think both should be lumped in with the Hubbard/Conner/Kamara tier.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Don't forget Swift, he jumps around, I've seen him taken on the 4/5 turn, other times he falls to the 5/6 turn
253 carries last year, didn't miss a game. Caught 42, ended up just shy of 300 touches, 1,350 total yds, he didn't have a great yds per carry after popping 5.5 and 4.6 the previous seasons
I don't see anyone taking his touches right away. I'm not sure he approaches 300 again but I think he will be the primary and that makes him good value where you are looking in the draft
I believe Swift was with Detroit under Ben Johnson previously.
Is he a "Ben Johnson guy?"
If the answer is yes, he could be in for a big season. Sounds like R. Johnson could be on the outside looking in while that late round rookie is making some noise.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
A couple of factors, I know there's reports saying he looks explosive and healthy but the last game tape of him looked slow. On top of that the staff hasn't give us much confidence by telling us it will be a rotation; it just feels like they want to move on from him.
Im in a slow redraft right now and I choose Tracy over Pacheco; A) i thought Pacheco would fall another round or 2 but was literally the next pick and B) im pretty positive that Tracy is going to get a ton of work.
Im in a slow redraft right now and I choose Tracy over Pacheco; A) i thought Pacheco would fall another round or 2 but was literally the next pick and B) im pretty positive that Tracy is going to get a ton of work.
Tracy/Pacheco/Pollard are all going next to each other.
Kind of scared to death of Scattebo taking goal line carries.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
same, but Tracy is going to get a ton of those dump off/screen passes to make up for it; plus Scat is kinda of cheap in most drafts
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Carried over from my opinion of him every year. Good pass protection. Hits the hole like a missile but no vision. ZERO. North/South runner w no wiggle.
He's Christine Michael w better pass protection
He's Christine Michael w better pass protection
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
RB dead zone for real. 5 carries. That’s not exactly what people who drafted him were hoping for.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not sure how much of that 1 weird game script will carry forward, but I grabbed shares of Hunt in both BB leagues. Just too good a value to pass up.
I laughed at people drafting tired looking Hunt but should have done that looking in the mirror for at least buying a little of the Pachecho is back and discounted hype. Did not draft him much but oof. I dropped a few 6th round picks on him and I'd not touch him in round 11-12 now.
I'm not really interested in any of them. Recall a report from a few weeks ago they were happy with Pachecho but wanted a third down back with some juice. That report seems mainly bogus. What they need is a starting RB with juice. They'd managed to make it work with this collection of mid the last few years but wonder if they will finally veer a little and try and pick someone up in a trade? Losing changes mindsets.
But if I was going to pick up anyone from this backfield you are right, relative to cost, I'd rather draft Smith.
Thought he looked good in the limited touches he got. The burst and quickness was back after it was sorely missing at the end of last year when he clearly wasn't 100% after his injury. He had a great run on KC's 1st scoring drive to get them into the redzone and predictably Reid dialed up 3 passes and had to settle for a FG.
Not surprised at the Hunt usage, especially in short yardage but more concerning was the Chiefs secondary. Looks like they were missing Justin Reid greatly as Herbert sliced them up all night. Andy then abandoned the run as he's known to do. Chiefs Def may not be the monster it was these past few years, may be good news for those still believing in Mahomes for fantasy and the pass catchers, but bad news for the Chiefs RB'S.
Not surprised at the Hunt usage, especially in short yardage but more concerning was the Chiefs secondary. Looks like they were missing Justin Reid greatly as Herbert sliced them up all night. Andy then abandoned the run as he's known to do. Chiefs Def may not be the monster it was these past few years, may be good news for those still believing in Mahomes for fantasy and the pass catchers, but bad news for the Chiefs RB'S.
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