LawFitz
Footballguy
I was referring more to short area burst, rather than long speed. Not that the latter is unimportant, but the former is one of my primary must haves in a RB.
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RB Isiah Pacheco, KC (2 Viewers)
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I was referring more to short area burst, rather than long speed. Not that the latter is unimportant, but the former is one of my primary must haves in a RB.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ah, got it.
Yeah - I think the difference is he’s reading the OL better and hitting the hole rather than running up the backs of his OL.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Bottom line is he does look notably better this year, at least according to your eyes and mine. If that premise is true, it doesn't bode well for Pacheco in redraft.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree. And it pains me to say it because I am not at all a fan. lol
That said, Reid still appears hesitant to use him as a rusher inside the 5.
He gave McKinnon the only such carry last night.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see RoJo get a chance if Pacheco continues to underwhealm in short yardage opportunities.
socrates
Footballguy
I am sure the Fight Doctor disappointed some fantasy managers, but in limited snaps, I thought he looked good. Pacheco provided a key block allowing Mahomes to hit Hardman downfield. Plays like this won't show up in the boxscore or help your fantasy team, but they will earn him more playing time.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Absolutely, been impressed a lot more with CEH, don't see him being pushed aside. Good target in redrafts if you are looking to trade for a RB.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
CEH is 15/116 and 7/76/2Tds in 2 Games...he has a hammer lock on the position, let's not sugarcoat it.
"Availability" is the only thing that would expand Pacheco's role right now. He's not slowly wrestling the position away, certainly not right now.
"Availability" is the only thing that would expand Pacheco's role right now. He's not slowly wrestling the position away, certainly not right now.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
we talked about that in game, he did his job well there
in redraft I’d move on from Pacheco though
socrates
Footballguy
CEH is playing well, and Coach Reid clearly trusts the veteran McKinnon, so that makes sense.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'm gonna HODL for as long as possible. Pacheco situation reminds me of Clinton Portis' rookie season. Now, like then, my gut is screaming league winner in waiting once Pacheco gets his chance. There's still a decent probability CEH turns into a pumpkin at some point sooner or later. And if not, an injury to either CEH or McKinnon would open the door for Pacheco to run through at 4.3 speed.
Super King
Footballguy
My gut is saying the same thing. I'm saving my waiver order for the moment he gets dropped by the frustrated owner
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
If you have the bench space, absolutely. CEH isn’t anything special, and he’s small. Pacheco has the size and speed to be a difference maker.
CEH goes down, do you think McKinnon becomes the every down back? I don’t. I’d say Pacheco takes over as the early down back - with a great chance of taking the full time job completely.
He’s right there with Rachaad White as being cheap, high ceiling lottery tickets.
Banger
Footballguy
It’s going to take a CEH injury and their offense isn’t as explosive as I thought it would be. I dropped him this week. Wouldn’t drop him for anything but he’s not getting the touches or increased work to have any value other than an injury player.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Speaking PPR league:
If both CEH/McKinnon go down? Sure.
McKinnon is their best all around back right now IMO. (Rush/Receive/Blocking). Don't underrate McKinnon's blocking ability. Why he sees and will continue to see (IMO) a good snapload. KC goes as a healthy Mahomes goes.
Even if CEH goes down, it's much much more likely McKinnon handles a greater snapload than Pacheco. Pacheco may have a greater role if either McKinnon/CEH goes down.....I don't know how much fantasy value his role will hold if one of those 2 are healthy.
McKinnon might be my highest owned player (Own CEH in 1). He has actually outsnapped CEH this season. CEH has yet to play more snaps than him any week this season. I don't think CEH is better than McKinnon in ANY facet.....but get the 1st round investment along with McKinnon's injury history.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Can you list some of the posts that had "overblown hype"? I'm being serious here. I truly don't remember much over the top hype in here. I think most figured he was a long shot as a 7th round draft pick, but one that didn't have a stacked depth chart to overcome when you consider CEH has been an underachiever and McKinnon's injury history.
He went in the 4th or 5th round of all my rookie drafts and in Round 12 of my re-draft league. That's "overblown hype"?
I mean he has kept Ron Jones on the inactive list each week, a RB some thought would start in KC (talk about overblown hype) - which in and of itself is a victory for a 7th round pick.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Traveling, can’t research, but you can if you want. I know in some of my leagues huge percentage of faab was used. Isn’t that in itself hype?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
No, thank you. You're the one that made the claim. The burden of proof is on you if/when questioned on it.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Faab posts don’t count? There was plenty of love posted for him
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You're really stretching the definition of "over-blown" hype here.
I mean a guy that got some buzz during the offseason and scored a TD in Week 1 got a few random people to bid more than they "should" have - I'm guessing that happens almost every season, and frankly that isn't hype, that's fantasy football.
I suspect you meant more than just that when you said "overblown hype" - but it's not such a big deal that it's worth mucking up the thread over semantics.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You have your opinions and aren’t shy about expressing them. Not getting into a pissing match with you, because I’m on a road trip to Indy for the game.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Is this a "pissing match"? You made a statement which I thought wasn't accurate and asked you to provide support to your statement - which you didn't feel like doing (it would probably be a waste of your time anyway).
So I said, I'd move on. Maybe you're just overly sensitive to getting called out? Sorry, if that's the case and I'll drop it now.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe others know the hype around Pacheco. People were talking about how bad CEH is and how easy it would be for him to be replaced. Quite the opposite has occurred.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not exactly the opposite - CEH has been a RBBC guy who's efficiency can't possibly continue. He's been preposterously productive on like 10-13 total touches a game, and Reid shows little sign of increasing his workload.
So you're half right. While Pacheco hasn't lived up to the billing as possibly taking over that backfield, CEH hasn't been any sort of dominant workhorse back. I believe I read he's been in for ~23% of the snaps? That's....not great.
In reality the KC backfield is a bit of a muddled mess, and one of these weeks, CEH seems likely to disappear from the stat sheet. Could be this week against the Bucs, a very stout run defense. And they have Bills & 49ers coming up after the Raiders, so 3 of the next 4 games should tell us more about CEH.
If I'm a CEH owner, I'm selling to someone who (hopefully) is looking at the points and not watching the games.
If I'm a Pacheco dynasty owner, I'm holding unless I have a short bench.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Looks good early. Just so it’s not hype, so does CEH.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Looks like he may have moved past McKinnon on the depth chart after tonight.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If/when CEH gets dinged up, Pacheco is going to be a potential monster for sure, he’s just absolutely explosive. One of these games, he’s gonna get a hole to run through and take one to the house from distance. The kid can fly.
habsfan
Footballguy
In leagues with kick return points he might have a pretty decent floor right now.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
My IDP league has that.
rockaction
Footballguy
That was a weird blowout last night. He scored 8.80 in a league I have with kick returns. So I'm not sure he's got a great floor. He only got eleven touches in an utter curbstomping from the offensive side of things. If he returned punts he'd be that much more valuable, but they've got Skyy doing that.
it's only a matter of time before he takes over... as soon as he has the trust of his pass blocking and has a full grasp of the offense, or a CEH injury which is very likely
They also gave him carries early on in the game against the Bucs, which shows that their trust in him is growing quickly.
watching him play reminds me of Adrian Peterson early in his career, speed and ferocity, the fire he brings to the offense and finishes plays strong.. can take it to the house on any play and "he can catch"... going to be hard for them to continue to keep him off the field when he is a threat to score on any play
They also gave him carries early on in the game against the Bucs, which shows that their trust in him is growing quickly.
watching him play reminds me of Adrian Peterson early in his career, speed and ferocity, the fire he brings to the offense and finishes plays strong.. can take it to the house on any play and "he can catch"... going to be hard for them to continue to keep him off the field when he is a threat to score on any play
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
with what's invested in CEH, and with him being productive, I don't see a "take over" but his role should keep growing. He looked dynamic last week for sure. With that speed he'll break a few long runs.
Yea I just think CEH can't stay healthy either. He is not built to carry a full load
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As much as I don’t love CEH, this only happens with injury.
And they probably still use McKinnon, who’s looked awful as a runner but is better in pass pro.
At the end of the day, Mahomes staying vertical is probably more important to the chiefs than anything either RB brings to the table ability-wise, which is also likely why Jet has been in there on short yardage/goal to go when they’re passing.
But I do agree with others that this early blowout led to all sorts of production for the RBs. Not saying they’ll never have another blowout like this, but their defense isn’t as good as it looked on SNF, and more games should be closer than not.
A take-over seems unlikely. Can’t predict injury, but CEH has missed a lot of time.
one thing that made me more confident in him this week, was that he had several runs early in the game against Tampa. I think he had 8 carries by halftime, and McKinnon barely touched the ball. Pachecho just has that "excitement" to him when he touches the ball, like any run could be a TD. I do think if CEH went down McKinnon would have a decent role, but Pachecho just seems like one of those guys that the more he plays, the better he will get, and the chiefs are going to have a hard time coming up with reasons to not have him on the field after he breaks a couple of long TDs
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They were also up 3 scores before halftime, something I believe will be rare with their leaky secondary.
They played a true revenge game here, and absolutely took it to Tampa Bay. Everyone gave 110% for this one, and are unlikely to repeat. Heck, they couldn’t even repeat it for the 2nd half when Brady went ham and passed on them a record 25 or 26 times in a row (costing me a chance at the $50 AWB against my opponent who had Brady
)I agree his early usage was a sign of a true RBBC. They now trust him more whereas he was a mop up guy earlier in the season.
I also agree that with his explosiveness, he’s highly likely to take one to the house on one of these touches.
As long as both are healthy (along with Jet), this will be a RBBC. As long as CEH can be as efficient with 7-12 touches as he was the first few weeks, he’ll continue to be a solid FF play. But the floor games are coming. Unless Reid has suddenly decided to run 70+% and use CEH as a true workhorse back (lol, and unlikely) then the regression fairies always come home to roost.
And injury is always a possibility, but again, difficult to predict.
They were also up 3 scores before halftime, something I believe will be rare with their leaky secondary.
They played a true revenge game here, and absolutely took it to Tampa Bay. Everyone gave 110% for this one, and are unlikely to repeat. Heck, they couldn’t even repeat it for the 2nd half when Brady went ham and passed on them a record 25 or 26 times in a row (costing me a chance at the $50 AWB against my opponent who had Brady
I agree his early usage was a sign of a true RBBC. They now trust him more whereas he was a mop up guy earlier in the season.
I also agree that with his explosiveness, he’s highly likely to take one to the house on one of these touches.
As long as both are healthy (along with Jet), this will be a RBBC. As long as CEH can be as efficient with 7-12 touches as he was the first few weeks, he’ll continue to be a solid FF play. But the floor games are coming. Unless Reid has suddenly decided to run 70+% and use CEH as a true workhorse back (lol, and unlikely) then the regression fairies always come home to roost.
And injury is always a possibility, but again, difficult to predict.
Yea agreed.
When I was watching that game during the first half I just kept thinking, "I wish I would have picked him up off of waivers before this game started, and I hope he doesn't score this game because everyone will be on him after that ." It just felt like he was about to have a breakout game, or break a long one at any moment. Luckily was able to grab him off waivers, and it definitely helped that he didn't score.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Shocked he was available - most leagues he was claimed/drafted early in the season.
Someone dropped him after he didn't do anything week 2 and 3
Banger
Footballguy
had the same conversation with myself and I too was lucky enough to grab him.They were also up 3 scores before halftime, something I believe will be rare with their leaky secondary.
They played a true revenge game here, and absolutely took it to Tampa Bay. Everyone gave 110% for this one, and are unlikely to repeat. Heck, they couldn’t even repeat it for the 2nd half when Brady went ham and passed on them a record 25 or 26 times in a row (costing me a chance at the $50 AWB against my opponent who had Brady
I agree his early usage was a sign of a true RBBC. They now trust him more whereas he was a mop up guy earlier in the season.
I also agree that with his explosiveness, he’s highly likely to take one to the house on one of these touches.
As long as both are healthy (along with Jet), this will be a RBBC. As long as CEH can be as efficient with 7-12 touches as he was the first few weeks, he’ll continue to be a solid FF play. But the floor games are coming. Unless Reid has suddenly decided to run 70+% and use CEH as a true workhorse back (lol, and unlikely) then the regression fairies always come home to roost.
And injury is always a possibility, but again, difficult to predict.
Yea agreed.
When I was watching that game during the first half I just kept thinking, "I wish I would have picked him up off of waivers before this game started, and I hope he doesn't score this game because everyone will be on him after that ." It just felt like he was about to have a breakout game, or break a long one at any moment. Luckily was able to grab him off waivers, and it definitely helped that he didn't score.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dynasty much different than redraft. I got him with a 5.07 pick. He's making me look pretty smart on my rebuilding team.had the same conversation with myself and I too was lucky enough to grab him.They were also up 3 scores before halftime, something I believe will be rare with their leaky secondary.
They played a true revenge game here, and absolutely took it to Tampa Bay. Everyone gave 110% for this one, and are unlikely to repeat. Heck, they couldn’t even repeat it for the 2nd half when Brady went ham and passed on them a record 25 or 26 times in a row (costing me a chance at the $50 AWB against my opponent who had Brady
I agree his early usage was a sign of a true RBBC. They now trust him more whereas he was a mop up guy earlier in the season.
I also agree that with his explosiveness, he’s highly likely to take one to the house on one of these touches.
As long as both are healthy (along with Jet), this will be a RBBC. As long as CEH can be as efficient with 7-12 touches as he was the first few weeks, he’ll continue to be a solid FF play. But the floor games are coming. Unless Reid has suddenly decided to run 70+% and use CEH as a true workhorse back (lol, and unlikely) then the regression fairies always come home to roost.
And injury is always a possibility, but again, difficult to predict.
Yea agreed.
When I was watching that game during the first half I just kept thinking, "I wish I would have picked him up off of waivers before this game started, and I hope he doesn't score this game because everyone will be on him after that ." It just felt like he was about to have a breakout game, or break a long one at any moment. Luckily was able to grab him off waivers, and it definitely helped that he didn't score.
Banger
Footballguy
there seemed to be a transition last game vs. the first 3 games. Pacheco got some garbage carries week one, then sporadic carries weeks 2 and 3. Then last game he got more carries, earlier in the game and looked better than CEH side by side. Then at halftime Rodney Harrison said that Pacheco was better and he should be the starter. I then yelled at the tv for Rodney to shut up until I could pick him up off waivers.
lol exactly.. and Chris Collinsworth said something like "When speaking with Andy Reid you get the feeling from the Chiefs that Pacheco is a secret weapon that they are about to unleash".
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Banger
Footballguy
thanks for that....running for 5.7 ypc v. the stout TB defense is even more impressive. It wasn't just one big run either...he was consistently running for 6-9 yards. He also ran for 1 more ypc than CEH. CEH isn't going away but now it's looking like Pacheco is getting more touches...only downside is that he gets nothing receiving wise as that all goes to Mckinnon / CEH. If CEH goes down like Monty did a couple weeks ago Pacheco could be a league winner.
lol exactly.. and Chris Collinsworth said something like "When speaking with Andy Reid you get the feeling from the Chiefs that Pacheco is a secret weapon that they are about to unleash".
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Pacheco looked much improved vs. TB compared to his early preseason games. I do wonder what his carry upside is as they do like him on kick returns as well. If all of a sudden he is not longer returning kicks you know he is heading for an increase of usage at RB. Fun to watch, hope he breaks a long one in the next few weeks.
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