RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (2 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

Agreed. I bought into the hype that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and the Greatest Show on Turf part 2.

I mean, they are the highest scoring offense in the league ATM.

I don't know where it's all going. I've had dominant teams before with Aikmen/Emitt/Irvin/TE and Wilson/Lynch/Harvin?/Sea D. Goff/Gibbs/LaPorta/Jameson has been decent but not league winning to date.

You should try Gibbs/Monty it's so good I haven't missed Jonathan Taylor.

I wanted to, but I spent my fourth and fifth to trade up for Gibbs.

May I should ask for some advice in the AsstCoach forum, but thinking about trading Lamb and Kupp when he's back for ASB and Monty.

Interesting trade. I can see it from both sides. And I love the Monty/Gibbs duo.

It's a good offer but, just a bit of a cautionary tale: in 2022 I rode Jamaal Williams, D'Andre Swift, Goff & ARSB to tremendous success all year until week 16 at Carolina.

Goff threw three TDs to... Shane "###### #$#####" Zylatra.

ARSB went 7-76 & Swift/Williams combined for 11-23-0 & 3-13-0. On the season that duo combined for 2,070 yards, 60 receptions and 25 TDs.

When you stack a roster like you're planning (Goff/Gibbs/Monty/ARSB/LaPorta/Jameson) one down week can wreck your season.

I might stick with Kupp & Lamb in your situation (presuming redraft).

Our playoffs are 3 weeks so I can ride out a bad week. That said, last week my entire lineup was Cowboys/Lions....kind of boring having all your points come from one game.

 

[JoeJoe88]

So good.

 

[cascaa]

League winner if Montgomery knee is multiple weeks!

 

[cascaa]

Damn, Montgomery back in.

 

[JohnnyU]

League winner if Montgomery knee is multiple weeks!

Not even a half winner, lol

 

[JoeJoe88]

League winner if Montgomery knee is multiple weeks!

Not even a half winner, lol

Look again

 

[Runkle]

Damn, Montgomery back in.

Dude, please be less excited for good players getting hurt

 

[JohnnyU]

League winner if Montgomery knee is multiple weeks!

Not even a half winner, lol

Look again

Does that have anything to do with Montgomery? Did he get hurt again? That was the premise of this exchange.

 

[Ilov80s]

Gibbs has finished as an RB1 in 2 games and RB2 in 3 games. Hes been steady and consistent. Blow up games are coming guys, don’t worry.

Told you

 

[Ilov80s]

Sounds like a lot of people in here had unrealistically high expectations. Either wishcasting, or with some kind of expectation that Monty got hurt.

Yall drafted a guy in a split-backfield (this was well-known before draft day). The guy he is sharing it with is a well-known commodity in the league, and had previously led a split backfield himself on his previous team (which is to say, he's not a chump).

Dynasty is different and you're right to have him very high. But if you took him in redraft with a high RB1 expectation, I'm sorry to inform you that, congrats.....

You played yourself.

Agreed. I bought into the hype that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and the Greatest Show on Turf part 2.

I could have traded my 1.12 for a 15th rounder and drafted Chubba and been well ahead. There's a real if Swift keeps rolling that Gibbs is headed to the pine in my 1/2/1/2 flex league.

Consider me played.

You really think Chubba is going to out produce Gibbs for the year?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Damn, Montgomery back in.

wow

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

 

[Biabreakable]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

 

[Big Nate]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

Jamaal Charles also has a 5.4 ypc avg over his whole career. Surprised he doesn't have some sort of record as well.

As for Gibbs - he's a good RB. Enjoy the ride.

 

[Ilov80s]

Candidate for non injury bust of the year.

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

First Lion since Barry in ‘91 to have 600 yards and 6 TDs in the first 6 games

 

[BassNBrew]

Would love to seem him play, unfortunately we get to watch Carolina give up 35+ pts per week.

 

[Judge Smails]

I’m a Monty owner and predicted a Gibbs game yesterday. Better fit vs Vikings. I think Gibbs goes on a run of several great games, especially if Monty is slowed at all. He looked lightening fast yesterday

 

[Zeppelin]

He looked lightening fast yesterday

He always looks like that because he IS lightning fast.

 

[Chardo1]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

Jamaal Charles also has a 5.4 ypc avg over his whole career. Surprised he doesn't have some sort of record as well.

As for Gibbs - he's a good RB. Enjoy the ride.

Candidate for non injury bust of the year.

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

First Lion since Barry in ‘91 to have 600 yards and 6 TDs in the first 6 games

Feed the man. Give him a featured back workload and he'll put up historic numbers. Montgomery is keeping Gibbs out of Canton.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

Jamaal Charles also has a 5.4 ypc avg over his whole career. Surprised he doesn't have some sort of record as well.

As for Gibbs - he's a good RB. Enjoy the ride.

Jamaal Charles had to wait a minute for Larry Johnson to cede, but the Chiefs didn't sign Larry to a 4 year extension they cut him.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

Jamaal Charles also has a 5.4 ypc avg over his whole career. Surprised he doesn't have some sort of record as well.

As for Gibbs - he's a good RB. Enjoy the ride.

Jamaal Charles had to wait a minute for Larry Johnson to cede, but the Chiefs didn't sign Larry to a 4 year extension they cut him.

And Larry to wait until Y3. Priest Holmes’ missed half the season with injuries two straight years. LJ looked capable in Y2 but Vermeil never like him. Finished Y3 with 9 straight 100 yard games and 2K YFS despite not starting the first 7 g.

Holmes-Johnson-Charles. Quite the continuous string of tailbacks they had.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

Jamaal Charles also has a 5.4 ypc avg over his whole career. Surprised he doesn't have some sort of record as well.

As for Gibbs - he's a good RB. Enjoy the ride.

Jamaal Charles had to wait a minute for Larry Johnson to cede, but the Chiefs didn't sign Larry to a 4 year extension they cut him.

And Larry to wait until Y3. Priest Holmes’ missed half the season with injuries two straight years. LJ looked capable in Y2 but Vermeil never like him. Finished Y3 with 9 straight 100 yard games and 2K YFS despite not starting the first 7 g.

Holmes-Johnson-Charles. Quite the continuous string of tailbacks they had.

Yeah it was an amazing…run

 

[Big Nate]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

Jamaal Charles also has a 5.4 ypc avg over his whole career. Surprised he doesn't have some sort of record as well.

As for Gibbs - he's a good RB. Enjoy the ride.

Candidate for non injury bust of the year.

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

First Lion since Barry in ‘91 to have 600 yards and 6 TDs in the first 6 games

Feed the man. Give him a featured back workload and he'll put up historic numbers. Montgomery is keeping Gibbs out of Canton.

Monty is a good back. He is a team leader and does good things for this offense. Not saying Gibbs can't or doesn't deserve more work but Monty is a good back and isn't going anywhere.

 

[zoonation]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

 

[eighsse2]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

Jamaal Charles also has a 5.4 ypc avg over his whole career. Surprised he doesn't have some sort of record as well.

As for Gibbs - he's a good RB. Enjoy the ride.

Candidate for non injury bust of the year.

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

First Lion since Barry in ‘91 to have 600 yards and 6 TDs in the first 6 games

Feed the man. Give him a featured back workload and he'll put up historic numbers. Montgomery is keeping Gibbs out of Canton.

Monty is a good back. He is a team leader and does good things for this offense. Not saying Gibbs can't or doesn't deserve more work but Monty is a good back and isn't going anywhere.

I don't think Montgomery is bad, but I think he's considerably overrated.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Gibbs has 6 TD's. All of them scored in the 2nd quarter

 

[Chaka]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

How many touches constitutes a feature back?

 

[menobrown]

Jahmyr Gibbs is the first player in franchise history to post a rushing average of 5.0+ in five-straight games with a minimum of 10 rushing attempts.

Billy never did it, and Barry never did it either.

The NFL record is six-straight games.

That's cool.

Barry has 5 ypc career average over 10 seasons.

Jamaal Charles also has a 5.4 ypc avg over his whole career. Surprised he doesn't have some sort of record as well.

As for Gibbs - he's a good RB. Enjoy the ride.

Jamaal Charles had to wait a minute for Larry Johnson to cede, but the Chiefs didn't sign Larry to a 4 year extension they cut him.

And Larry to wait until Y3. Priest Holmes’ missed half the season with injuries two straight years. LJ looked capable in Y2 but Vermeil never like him. Finished Y3 with 9 straight 100 yard games and 2K YFS despite not starting the first 7 g.

Holmes-Johnson-Charles. Quite the continuous string of tailbacks they had.

I did a live WCOFF draft in Vegas in 2005, LJ's year 3.

That was the season Vermeil said it would be like a 70/30 split between Priest and LJ. I computed up expected points,anticpated LJ being able to be a RB3/flex type on just 30% of the usage but with upside to be the RB1 if Priest had another injury. I drafted him in round 5 which sounds absurd today for a handcuff with a little plus but this was back when 20+ of the first 24 picks used to be RB's, even in a 3 WR minimum start format.

We had a break after round 14 and some guy who was considered an "expert" was in my league, blanking out on his name, William something. He tells me, without me asking, you had a pretty good draft but you blew your 5th round pick. I tried to explain my rationale, like I just did above, and he was pretty cocky about telling me again how I blew it.

I ended up facing this guy in the LCG game and Larry went banana's on him and delivered me a championship and it was extra sweet. Memories.

 

[menobrown]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

When you can get a top 5-10 production on less then 15 touches a game that's long term dynasty gold.

I'd say this is what envisioned when he came out, except I thought he'd be doing it with more receptions and not be such a big time TD threat.

 

[Chaka]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

When you can get a top 5-10 production on less then 15 touches a game that's long term dynasty gold.

I'd say this is what envisioned when he came out, except I thought he'd be doing it with more receptions and not be such a big time TD threat.

He was getting 16 touches per game before yesterday.

 

[menobrown]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

When you can get a top 5-10 production on less then 15 touches a game that's long term dynasty gold.

I'd say this is what envisioned when he came out, except I thought he'd be doing it with more receptions and not be such a big time TD threat.

He was getting 16 touches per game before yesterday.

Ok, then 16 touches a game if it makes you feel better.

 

[Chaka]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

When you can get a top 5-10 production on less then 15 touches a game that's long term dynasty gold.

I'd say this is what envisioned when he came out, except I thought he'd be doing it with more receptions and not be such a big time TD threat.

He was getting 16 touches per game before yesterday.

Ok, then 16 touches a game if it makes you feel better.

It's not personal, brother just accurate.

It's the difference between 272 & 238 touches on the season (assuming "less than 15" defaults to 14). I think that's statistically significant when evaluating and projecting a player.

 

[Biabreakable]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

When you can get a top 5-10 production on less then 15 touches a game that's long term dynasty gold.

I'd say this is what envisioned when he came out, except I thought he'd be doing it with more receptions and not be such a big time TD threat.

I agree that this is more what people thought of Gibbs as a prospect, how would fit into the offense and even the coaches were describing that kind of vision for him.

And he is nice as a receiver.

This team loves to run the ball though. A majority of their pass plays are just extensions of the run as well.

 

[BobbyLayne]

17 g pace

Gibbs
230 ATT
1315 YDS
5.7 YPC
14 TD

62 TGT
51 REC
419 YDS
8.2 YPR
3 TD

1734 YFS 17 TD

Montgomery
238 ATT
1082 YDS
54.4 YPC
17 TD

40 TGT
37 REC
377 YDS
10.2 YPR
0 TD

1459 YFS 17 TD

 

[rockaction]

Yeah, they're both not rushing for over a thousand yards apiece and having 1500 YFS unless there's a concerted effort to hurt them. Both of them.

 

[rockaction]

Sounds like a lot of people in here had unrealistically high expectations. Either wishcasting, or with some kind of expectation that Monty got hurt.

Yall drafted a guy in a split-backfield (this was well-known before draft day). The guy he is sharing it with is a well-known commodity in the league, and had previously led a split backfield himself on his previous team (which is to say, he's not a chump).

Dynasty is different and you're right to have him very high. But if you took him in redraft with a high RB1 expectation, I'm sorry to inform you that, congrats.....

You played yourself.

Agreed. I bought into the hype that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and the Greatest Show on Turf part 2.

I could have traded my 1.12 for a 15th rounder and drafted Chubba and been well ahead. There's a real if Swift keeps rolling that Gibbs is headed to the pine in my 1/2/1/2 flex league.

Consider me played.

You really think Chubba is going to out produce Gibbs for the year?

Chuba, folks. And I think BNB must be kidding here. Because he just is.

 

[BobbyLayne]

2023

• 945 rush yds 63.0 /g 1261 yfs 84.1 /g Gibbs
• 1015 rush yds 72.5 /g 1132 yfs 80.9 /g Montgomery

2024

• 464 rush yds 77.3 /g 612 yfs 102.0 /g Gibbs
• 382 rush yds 63.7 /g 515 yfs 85.8 /g Montgomery

 

[rockaction]

Yep. Both not rushing for 1,000 and getting 1,500 yfs unless they want to injure them.

 

[Chardo1]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

When you can get a top 5-10 production on less then 15 touches a game that's long term dynasty gold.

I'd say this is what envisioned when he came out, except I thought he'd be doing it with more receptions and not be such a big time TD threat.

When you could get top 3 production on 20 touches (which is not overuse), that would be dynasty platinum.

I get it, the 50-50 split they're doing is working for them. It's just frustrating for Gibbs owners. Even a 60-40 split would make Gibbs elite.

 

[Chaka]

Yep. Both not rushing for 1,000 and getting 1,500 yfs unless they want to injure them.

Is 270 touches overuse for a RB?

 

[Chaka]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

When you can get a top 5-10 production on less then 15 touches a game that's long term dynasty gold.

I'd say this is what envisioned when he came out, except I thought he'd be doing it with more receptions and not be such a big time TD threat.

When you could get top 3 production on 20 touches (which is not overuse), that would be dynasty platinum.

I get it, the 50-50 split they're doing is working for them. It's just frustrating for Gibbs owners. Even a 60-40 split would make Gibbs elite.

Gibbs is putting up 100 yards and a TD per game. What more do you want?

 

[rockaction]

Yep. Both not rushing for 1,000 and getting 1,500 yfs unless they want to injure them.

Is 270 touches overuse for a RB?

Depends on the RB. We are talking about guy that barely ticked the 200 lb. threshold coming out of college. I mean, barely ticked it. Have fun slamming him into a brick wall 270 times if you want. I'm passing on that and keeping his touches at a Kamara level when Kamara first started (12-14 a game tops, and not 14, if you dig).

 

[rockaction]

I think if you want to use Jahmyr sixteen times one game against MN, go ahead, brah. That's between you and your maker. But we all know sliding him into that range permanently will do him damage in the end.

 

[rockaction]

I mean, Adam Harstad makes the great argument that coaches know how many times to use a guy for the most part. The question I have to ask about that is when do we know that coaches are overusing? We don't. All we have is stats and history and none of that can imply causation. So I look at the best coaches and how they use similar players. I came up with Kamara. Is that arbitrary?

Probably. But everything else you get is going to point to not using sub-200 lb. guys that way and that really only HoF guys or borderline HoF guys can withstand that sort of pounding. And by that I mean two guys that come to mind. Jamaal Charles and Tiki Barber. Nobody else. Can't think of one, actually, after them.

If somebody wants to help fill in, then that's cool. But the list will be short. And I happen to like Jahmyr and would like to see Detroit go far this year instead of peter out in the NFCDG because Jahmyr has suffered an injury.

There's always the risk of being or getting hurt. That risk gets smaller the less times you run into those brick walls.

And I've said my piece here. It's not even a flag plant. I happened to be passing by and saw the sort-of debate going on. Figured I'd add my two cents to it as I'm up and sort of bored.

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
Jahmyr Gibbs reached a top speed of 22.03 mph on his 70-yard TD run, the 2nd-fastest speed by a ball carrier this season (behind only Brian Thomas Jr. in Week 5, 22.15).

Defenders in Box: 6
Expected Rushing Yards: 5
Rushing Yards Over Expected: +65

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[Ilov80s]

RB5 in 0.5 PPR

 

[finfansteve]

Why run Gibbs into the ground? What they are doing is working. I do think Gibbs will get more touches going forward but a feature role is a pipe dream.

When you can get a top 5-10 production on less then 15 touches a game that's long term dynasty gold.

I'd say this is what envisioned when he came out, except I thought he'd be doing it with more receptions and not be such a big time TD threat.

When you could get top 3 production on 20 touches (which is not overuse), that would be dynasty platinum.

I get it, the 50-50 split they're doing is working for them. It's just frustrating for Gibbs owners. Even a 60-40 split would make Gibbs elite.

I’m ok with how they’re using both of them. They are both thriving

 

[BobbyLayne]

17 g pace

Gibbs
230 ATT
1315 YDS
5.7 YPC
14 TD

62 TGT
51 REC
419 YDS
8.2 YPR
3 TD

1734 YFS 17 TD

Montgomery
238 ATT
1082 YDS
63.6 YPC
17 TD

40 TGT
37 REC
377 YDS
10.2 YPR
0 TD

1459 YFS 17 TD

Update aflter Week 8

2024 Stats & 17 g pace

Sonic
223 ATT
1435 YDS
6.4 YPC
15 TD

56 TGT
46 REC
374 YDS
8.1 YPR
2 TD

1809 YFS 17 TD

Knuckles
226 ATT
1008 YDS
59.3 YPC
17 TD

118.7 PASSER RTG

36 TGT
34 REC
335 YDS
9.9 YPR
0 TD

1343 YFS 17 TD

---

Lions through seven games:

2021: 0-7
2022: 1-6
2023: 5-2
2024: 6-1

 

[BobbyLayne]

counting stats - rushing leaders:

• ATT Jah 20th, DMo 21st
• YDS Jah 7th, DMo 25th
• Y/G Jah 6th, DMo 24th
• TD Jah 6th, DMo 3rd
• FD Jah 12th, DMo 18th
• YBC Jah 3rd, DMo 26th
• YBC
  /ATT Jah 1st, DMo 29th
• YAC Jah 23rd, DMo 18th
• YBC
  /ATT Jah 17th, DMo 28th
• Y/A Jah 2nd, DM0 23rd
• BrkTkl Jah 12th, DMo 5th
• Att/Br Jah 14th, DMo 5th
• Lng Jah 3rd, DMo 67th
  
  
  
• SUCC% Jah 1st, DMo 13th
  Gibbs 64.1%; next highest is 59.5%

 

[Chaka]

Sounds like a lot of people in here had unrealistically high expectations. Either wishcasting, or with some kind of expectation that Monty got hurt.

Yall drafted a guy in a split-backfield (this was well-known before draft day). The guy he is sharing it with is a well-known commodity in the league, and had previously led a split backfield himself on his previous team (which is to say, he's not a chump).

Dynasty is different and you're right to have him very high. But if you took him in redraft with a high RB1 expectation, I'm sorry to inform you that, congrats.....

You played yourself.

Agreed. I bought into the hype that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and the Greatest Show on Turf part 2.

I could have traded my 1.12 for a 15th rounder and drafted Chubba and been well ahead. There's a real if Swift keeps rolling that Gibbs is headed to the pine in my 1/2/1/2 flex league.

Consider me played.

Update?