TripItUp
Footballguy
60% minimum to be more specific
He has real top 10 upside with a little TD luck and health.
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RB James Cook, BUF (1 Viewer)
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60% minimum to be more specific
He has real top 10 upside with a little TD luck and health.
Chaka
Footballguy
That would require a change in offensive philosophy. Singletary had a 59% share last season and managed 215 touches.
They need to commit to using the RBs more in the running game in general and Cook specifically for him to exceed 220 touches.
250 is certainly on the table but I think people are overestimating the probability. He could do amazing things at 250 touches for sure, but, IMO the baseline & downside are being underestimated.
Sadly it makes me think he won't end up on my team.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
He will have 190 touches or 199 touches depending on who you ask.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Did he share his projections before leaving so that we know exactly how he’s keeping score before coming back week 7 to declare success?
LawFitz
Footballguy
More like chased out. But he said what he wanted/needed to say. Good on him to let it play out now, rather than rehash.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I agree and the organization has hinted that they want an altered philosophy this year that results in less reliance on Allen. I also think it's a function of confidence in Cook. Cook is simply better than Singletary IMHO. As a result, he could see the ball more than singletary did.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Spot on imo
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Such a good song. Such a terrible member.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
What do you think is a more accurate weight: The combine where every player is weighed on a neutral scale in public? Or a media guide where the team can just report whatever they want? Look how wildly off all these college players heights and weights are when they get to the combine. Do guys add and lose weight over their careers? Sure but we never again get a public weigh-in for them so unless you want to get a scale and make all these players step on it every year, you can’t make any comparisons between them using anything but the combine.
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Chaka
Footballguy
I believe that is the intent, I also know that at any point in a close game OCs easily fall in the trap of leaving the ball in the hands of their superstar QB.
Does anyone know how many of Allen's 124 rushing attempts were by design? IMO that is where any additional piece of the RB pie is going to have to come from.
TripItUp
Footballguy
if cook is effective/efficient, can't they just call his name more too?
Chaka
Footballguy
Absolutely. I just wonder how much Dorsey is actually going to take the ball out of Allen's hand when the games are for real.
TripItUp
Footballguy
In close games I'm with you on that...but for fantasy purposes, how many close games do we anticpate in weeks 1 -14.
Chaka
Footballguy
Why 14? Aren't most championships week 17 now?
At any rate they had 7 combined one score games and losses last season.
They started the year with two massive blowouts & crushed the Steelers by 35 (& the Bears by 22 but that was a one score game at the half). Also variables where they may feel more comfortable using reserves.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
he got mad usage in preseason possibly a look into the future usage. Targeting him in a draft tonight.
They really have no other RB competition in Buffalo, don't give men the Damien Harris nonsense. although Cook is listed at 190lbs he's likely heavier than that, probably 205-210. he's able to handle a full workload. With Kincaid working as a slot WR TE type, and Davis+Diggs, defenses can't load up to stop the run. Cook will be yards downfield before initial contact. underdog sports have him as a top 10 RB possibility. I'm buying it.
We just have to be sure that the Bills are back to 2021 ..last years Bills left a lot to be desired down the stretch for obvious reasons. Allen was a turnover machine at one point.
AFC East is tougher now, much tougher.
They really have no other RB competition in Buffalo, don't give men the Damien Harris nonsense. although Cook is listed at 190lbs he's likely heavier than that, probably 205-210. he's able to handle a full workload. With Kincaid working as a slot WR TE type, and Davis+Diggs, defenses can't load up to stop the run. Cook will be yards downfield before initial contact. underdog sports have him as a top 10 RB possibility. I'm buying it.
We just have to be sure that the Bills are back to 2021 ..last years Bills left a lot to be desired down the stretch for obvious reasons. Allen was a turnover machine at one point.
AFC East is tougher now, much tougher.
Banger
Footballguy
Do the Bills know he’s 190 pounds?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They read it somewhere.
TommyKramer9
Footballguy
Im surprised there’s not more chatter about this guy here. He appears to be the guy getting the full workload in the Bills potent offense. Cook has top 10 RB written all over him
Got him in both of my leagues, and a bunch of best ball. He is one of my guys this year for sure
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Basically comes down to how much one thinks Harris is going to be a part of this offense. I don't think Harris has that much of an effect outside of some goal line TDs (which he will be splitting with Allen anyway). I want the RB on good teams that will also get passing work. James Dalvin fits the bill.
We'll find out on Monday.
efactor
Footballguy
Grabbed him in my local league and pretty excited about the potential in that offense. Hopefully the talk about Allen checking down more to his RBs this year instead of taking off and running will come to fruition. That would be huge for Cook. Since I went WR, WR, WR, TE to start out of the 3 slot, he's my #1 RB in a 14 teamer. Grabbed his brother as my RB 2 so I'll be a big fan of the Cook family this year
Yea Allen was actually 15th in the NFL last year in terms of checking down so more middle of the road, hopefully that moves up more. It makes sense as you mature in your career to use your playmakers and stop trying to do everything yourself
Banger
Footballguy
I’m targeting him in all drafts like I did Stevenson and Pollard last year around the same part of the draft. The situation and opportunity is there but he’s shown flashes but never done it for a consistent stretch. Fingers crossed.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Not to be that guy, but I'd prefer the value of rb43 Harris over the value of rb24 Cook.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
oh you are so that guy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
FYI, he went a lot higher than RB30 in all my drafts, many times was gone on the 4/5 turn, Middle of the 5th, late 5th, he was never around in the 6th or 7th round in any of my drafts.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
When the RB43 Harris stays about RB43 and the RB24 Cook rises to RB10-12-15, your preferences could change
JoeKappBudGrant
Footballguy
Kincaid will eat into some of the RB targets.
efactor
Footballguy
I don't think so. He's the slot guy from the sound of it.
But we will see soon enough I guess. Monday night should be pretty telling
Somehow got him at the 5/6 turn at 6.2 in a 12 man. Buying into the hype!
TommyKramer9
Footballguy
Barring a Cook injury, Harris will barely ever be playable
efactor
Footballguy
Works for me
ZADO
Footballguy
sounds like a race to the bottom thinking in this case
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I recommend that u stumble into a player thread and downsize said player to make friends.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
If I’m the Pickens owner I slam the accept button so hard I’d sprain my wrist
efactor
Footballguy
Plus, not exactly a winning draft strategy. Draft a guy and then immediately trade him for someone drafted a round later.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
I liked and drafted Cook---> but a guy missed out on every single RB1/2/3 and ended up with allen and lamar-- so I flipped cook for allen pre season. Rooting for you guys
LawFitz
Footballguy
Plenty of reasons for me not to make the deal, but this absolutely isn’t one of them.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
You could talk about how much you like Harris in his thread instead.
There might be a few people interested in that.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Did this in the Kupp thread yesterday. Unfortunately, 0 friends made lol.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well you should pretty much expect that if you go into a players thread and throw shade at them that the people who are hoping that player will succeed might not appreciate this very much.
Whether you are right or not.
Sometimes a wet blanket is appropriate when people are all rainbows and gumdrops, but this isnt likely to get you on their thank you card list.
Its only natural to talk about these situations in the threads that have the most participation, regardless of where you might land in the pro/con spectrum.
That said its usually easier to be a doubter than an optimist. The grass is always greener, take the field instead of planting a flag and all that.
I was kind of joking when I suggested Harris supporters talk about him in his thread. But if you really feel that way about him, or any player make your case there. If you are right that thread will soon attract more discussion when that comes to fruition. If it does.
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I am 100% this. Harris has been the better RB. I expect both to get enough action to be playable in a flex spot. However I expect Harris to get the larger workload, the goaline work, and is cheaper.
He isn't going to get the larger workload.
He will get short yardage work, and be mixed in. They have already stated multiple times they James Cook as a 3 down back, and they like the versatility he gives their offense, and how he keeps defenses honest when he is on the field with his skill set. They may also use Cook in two back sets. James Cook has RB #1 potential this year because he does not need a lot of touches to be effective, catches passes, and is explosive. You don't need 20 touches a game anymore to be a top 12 fantasy RB and that's why he is worth his adp because you aren't drafting him as your #1 RB so even if you wrong it doesn't destroy your team
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I'd say Cook averages 15-18 touches a game (40+ receptions) (Allen was actually ranked 15th in the NFL in dumpoffs last year, so he passes to his backs more than it seems)
Harris mixes in for 8-12 based on game flow, short yardage/goal line work
Murray gets in for 3-5
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FarFromHome
Footballguy
I just enjoy discussion. Nothing more. I find having both sides of the debate instead of full rainbows is more objectively informative. The beauty in sports we find out in the end. I'm not trying to hate on Cook. I think he appears to be a decent NFL RB. I'm more doubting the bills usage of different rbs in the Allen era. Maybe its because they haven't had a Cook type? Maybe they give the kid workhorse RB touches? I just don't see him much over 200 carries. Harris should get 150ish and in my opinion, all the 1st and goals from the 1. Cook has draft pedigree. They haven't drafted a RB that high in the draft since Spiller so who knows. On a side note I bought CJ Spiller hook, line, and sinker so maybe I'm an unreliable opinion. Ha ha. Once against all my opinions.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah FarFromHome its all in good fun.
I was just enjoying your previous post and then taking the idea a bit farther to include all posts in general philisophically.
Honestly without some back and forth posts just fall off the first page regardless of how good their content might be.
I was just enjoying your previous post and then taking the idea a bit farther to include all posts in general philisophically.
Honestly without some back and forth posts just fall off the first page regardless of how good their content might be.
