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RB Javonte Williams, DAL (1 Viewer)

Chaka said:
15th RB off the board, to me, in my 12 team redraft yesterday. Fournette, A.Jones & J.Conner went ahead of him. I can see the argument for each but am glad those three were taken ahead so I didn't have to make that decision.

The only back still on the board that I considered over him was Josh Jacobs but I figured I could get him later.
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I wouldn't have considered Jacobs over him under any circumstances. Jacobs isn't someone I would roster in 2022.
 
JohnnyU said:
Chaka said:
15th RB off the board, to me, in my 12 team redraft yesterday. Fournette, A.Jones & J.Conner went ahead of him. I can see the argument for each but am glad those three were taken ahead so I didn't have to make that decision.

The only back still on the board that I considered over him was Josh Jacobs but I figured I could get him later.
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I wouldn't have considered Jacobs over him under any circumstances. Jacobs isn't someone I would roster in 2022.
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I am certain I am in the minority with my ranking of Jacobs. IMO everything about his situation reads as him being the clear #1 back on what should be a high scoring offense. I see him as a 275-300 touch guy with a good shot at 10 TDs.
 
Denver Broncos running back Melvin Gordon III is reportedly looking at a split of backfield duties with teammate Javonte Williams to begin the 2022 season, per Benjamin Allbright.

:cry: :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry:
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Denver Broncos running back Melvin Gordon III is reportedly looking at a split of backfield duties with teammate Javonte Williams to begin the 2022 season, per Benjamin Allbright.

:cry: :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry:
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Is there one person who didn’t think there would be a split? I mean did anyone think Williams would get every carry? Thanks for that huge news!!!
 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Denver Broncos running back Melvin Gordon III is reportedly looking at a split of backfield duties with teammate Javonte Williams to begin the 2022 season, per Benjamin Allbright.

:cry: :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry:
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Is there one person who didn’t think there would be a split? I mean did anyone thing Williams would get every carry? Thanks for that huge news!!!
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You're gonna make me laugh and cry again :lmao:
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I don’t get your point. I’m sure you’re proud of it though.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Denver Broncos running back Melvin Gordon III is reportedly looking at a split of backfield duties with teammate Javonte Williams to begin the 2022 season, per Benjamin Allbright.

:cry: :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry:
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Is there one person who didn’t think there would be a split? I mean did anyone thing Williams would get every carry? Thanks for that huge news!!!
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You're gonna make me laugh and cry again :lmao:
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I don’t get your point. I’m sure you’re proud of it though.
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You don't think a good chunk of us/SP/FF community were believing or hitching the wagons to Javonte Williams? That guy went early-mid 2nd in a lot of my redrafts. I was high on him when I wrote the RB thread but I couldn't get him in almost any of them, so it's laughter and crying, humility for looking wrong as we start the season but also laughing and nodding at the folks who said it was going to be a split from early camp. I was hoping for at least a 55/45 split based on about 500 touches between the two of them. I think Denver will run more than folks want to believe.

I think you do see my points, good to talk again with you Doc
 
You aren't wrong or right yet. The season hasn't started. Beat writers are wrong all the time. Until we get some actual data points no one knows what the split will be. I think Williams easily beats his adp though.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
You don't think a good chunk of us/SP/FF community were believing or hitching the wagons to Javonte Williams? That guy went early-mid 2nd in a lot of my redrafts. I was high on him when I wrote the RB thread but I couldn't get him in almost any of them, so it's laughter and crying, humility for looking wrong as we start the season but also laughing and nodding at the folks who said it was going to be a split from early camp. I was hoping for at least a 55/45 split based on about 500 touches between the two of them. I think Denver will run more than folks want to believe.
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This has been discussed quite a bit in this thread. Between the NFL draft & August Javonte was being drafted as RB13 by ADP, and that was a rock steady ADP for the entire time.

In early August, reading this thread I anticipated his ADP would move up by Labor Day weekend, because people in here seemed very locked into the assumption that Javonte would get a 60% share pushing him into the 300 touch range. Like you, I cautioned against that assumption, which didn't make me many friends in here.

But turns out, I was wrong. There was no jump in ADP by Labor Day. In fact he dropped from RB13 to RB14 (I got him as RB15 on Saturday). It's still may be a tad high if everything plays out similar to Denver or Green Bay in 2021 but if you look at the RB alternatives at his price (Conner, Zeke, ETN, Montgomery, J.Jacobs) the price seems pretty spot on.

And, man, his upside is as big as anyone's. He shouldn't hurt you even with a split and he could be a Kingmaker.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Ministry of Pain said:
You don't think a good chunk of us/SP/FF community were believing or hitching the wagons to Javonte Williams?
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Yes, knowing that Gordon was still in the mix - but I guess only you were aware of that?
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Please let me explain so we don't have a misunderstanding.

MoP overlooked MG3 much to my own demise all summer as the season is about to launch.

I tend to self-deprecate and maybe you just misunderstood that i was actually making fun of myself! :lol:
There's no victory lap here.

Does that add some clarity? I was mocking myself.
Sorry if we got our signals crossed, no malice of any kind from this side of the screen.
Cheers!
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Ministry of Pain said:
You don't think a good chunk of us/SP/FF community were believing or hitching the wagons to Javonte Williams?
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Yes, knowing that Gordon was still in the mix - but I guess only you were aware of that?
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Please let me explain so we don't have a misunderstanding.

MoP overlooked MG3 much to my own demise all summer as the season is about to launch.

I tend to self-deprecate and maybe you just misunderstood that i was actually making fun of myself! :lol:
There's no victory lap here.

Does that add some clarity? I was mocking myself.
Sorry if we got our signals crossed, no malice of any kind from this side of the screen.
Cheers!
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It still doesn’t make sense because literally everyone knew there would be a split and even that quote doesn’t say what the split is (60-40 55-45, 50-50 etc.) - and it doesn’t mean it stays at any set percentage). It wasn’t good news or bad news for Williams. It was the reality all off-season.
Anyway…
 
Denver ultimately Wants JW to be the man, MG3 said it, the split won't matter, much like Alvin Kamara in his best years, JW will outperform his touches when healthy. good luck al, like someone wrote above, JW could be a kingmaker or simply perform to draft position. huge upside those of us that drafted him hope to realize.
 
JW is similar to what JTaylor had with Marlon Mack. Everyone thought Mack was the guy or at least a 50/50 split. that never happened.
Miss out on a JW boom season and you'll leave a lot of pts on the table. drafting him at 10 or 11 in PPR is not nuts, worst you get is a RB 13-ish out of him. Thats not bad. Same as last year, really. You're buying the upside. not hard to imagine him taking the lead dog role here ( he already has it). even if it is 50/50 split every other RB at the 10-11 area is a split guy sharing time with someone else.
 
joffer said:
joffer thinks this discussion is odd
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Hey GB, I took a couple months off earlier this year. Just want to make sure I handle the identity politics correctly because things change quickly. Are all joffer's pronouns "joffer" now?
 

Speaking Friday, Broncos coach Nathaniel Hackett said he's a "true believer in you want to roll with the hot hand" when discussing the running back situation between Javonte Williams and Melvin Gordon.​

"One guy gets going, you want to be sure to keep feeding that person," Hackett continued. "But I think they're going to be great compliments to each other." Reports have been all over the place when it comes to how the Broncos want to handle the backfield. OC Justin Outten said both Williams and Gordon will be on a "pitch count" all season, while some believe Williams will have a 65-35 split advantage and others think it's much closer to 55-45. We'll find out Monday night. Both backs will be playable in a dream matchup against the Seahawks.
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Oof - sounds like a total RBBC ala 2021 to me. All that talk of 70-30 drove JaWill up to the late 2nd in most drafts.

Once again, Gordon gonna deliver awesome value in the late rounds for those who took a chance on him. They'll both be worth playing, and I like JaWill's chances to have a better season, but it sure doesn't sound like Gordon is riding quietly off into the sunset.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Oof - sounds like a total RBBC ala 2021 to me. All that talk of 70-30 drove JaWill up to the late 2nd in most drafts.

Once again, Gordon gonna deliver awesome value in the late rounds for those who took a chance on him. They'll both be worth playing, and I like JaWill's chances to have a better season, but it sure doesn't sound like Gordon is riding quietly off into the sunset.
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I don't disagree. A true committee seems most likely.

Now, as much as this all sounds like coach-speak gobbly-gook, Hackett saying he's a "believer in rolling with the hot hand", if he means that, would be interpreted as a good thing for Javonte believers.

We drafted him because we understand it's a committee, but think there's a shot that Javonte blows up if they "roll with the hot hand".

(Also agree that Gordon is a great value).
 
I swapped him for Saquan during the off-season. I like Javonte's talent and adding Russell Wilson will make the ENTIRE offense more productive by sustaining drives and turning the ball over less. Penciling this in as an MJD - Fred Taylor situation.

Both backs will be productive and I don't necessarily think at the detriment of one another. Wilson won a Super Bowl on the back of a killer rushing attack and stellar defense. Denver has both those boxes checked. Denver allowed the fewest PPG last season, iirc. Those divisional games will probably be shootouts, but there should be plenty of game scripts (especially at home with that high altitude) where Denver suffocates the other team through defense and pounding the rock.


Javonte rushes for 1,170.
Gordon rushes for 825.


Broncos make it into the playoffs as a Wildcard. Everybody is happy.
 
Got him at RB13 (mid 2nd in 12-team PPR) today. I wanted to go RB after going WR (Jefferson) in the first, and of those left in his range, I thought he had the most upside and would be the most fun to watch.
 
I get that Javonte is the young ascending player but no way Gordon should be going 9 or 10 rounds later. Gordon is the better pass protector, better pass catcher, and better goal line back. I have never understood the Gordon disrespect. Just watch his film. He is still a fantastic all around player. Javonte will eat because this pie just got a lot bigger but It will take a Gordon injury for him to pay off his ADP. I don't hate grabbing him in the late second round because it starts to get ugly at RB and his value would sky rocket if Gordan went down. That being said, Gordon's value would also sky rocket if Javonte went down.
 
Mongidig said:
I get that Javonte is the young ascending player but no way Gordon should be going 9 or 10 rounds later. Gordon is the better pass protector, better pass catcher, and better goal line back. I have never understood the Gordon disrespect. Just watch his film. He is still a fantastic all around player. Javonte will eat because this pie just got a lot bigger but It will take a Gordon injury for him to pay off his ADP. I don't hate grabbing him in the late second round because it starts to get ugly at RB and his value would sky rocket if Gordan went down. That being said, Gordon's value would also sky rocket if Javonte went down.
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Hmm. Guess I’ve been around too long, because I remember when people thought Gordon sucked. He averaged < 4 ypc, was dinged up, couldn’t catch the ball, didn’t rush for over 1000 yards, etc.

Glad to know he’s a stud all of a sudden.
 
moleculo said:
Buck Bradcanon said:

Looks like a 55/45 Javonte/Melvin split with some Mike Boone sprinkled in.

Key note...Melvin is getting the situational work (GL, short yardage, etc)
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I read yesterday that Allbright lives in the same building as MGIII and is quite chummy with him. Take that FWIW.
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This is definitely where I draw the line for my fantasy research 😂

I will say I find Allbright annoying as all get out, but he's much better at passing good info than most beat writers from my experience.
 
Guy averaging 10 yards a carry, obviously only 3 so far but each one could be taken all the way and he's not on the field for even one entire series to figure out whose hot? " " unreal
 
Sj27dog said:
Guy averaging 10 yards a carry, obviously only 3 so far but each one could be taken all the way and he's not on the field for even one entire series to figure out whose hot? " " unreal
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Gordon is still a solid RB and is good to have around, but at this point he mostly runs straight ahead (and he’s effective) - the difference between the backs is just so noticeable. Gordon will be there all season but he’ll start getting one series after Javonte gets 2 when we get deeper in the season. Right now it makes sense to rotate backs - as last year showed, while that happens both have value.
 
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