RB Jaydon Blue, DAL (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

The “ex-Cowboys coach” saying he was told this has not worked for the team in 24 years, and his entire career as a coach spans 2 seasons as an offensive assistant.

I’ve never heard of him. He got more press today then he did as a coach.

Could be true but this is not a guy who seems very connected

Sounds more like Cowboys coaches running their mouth when they shouldn’t have.

 

[menobrown]

What is Dallas doing with that room?

I’ve said this before but where a lot of us look at Dallas and can’t believe they don’t prioritize RB more, internally they look at stuff like the production they got out of Dowdle, who they did not even want back, and believe their method works. That the position is fungible and they’d rather commit resources elsewhere.

 

[Football Jones]

As for the lazy thing reported, I’ll let it pass, but watch for anymore reports of that becoming a problem. The sky isn’t falling after one report.

Yeah. Agreed, but if it's true (IF), then he won't last long. He may have a few good weeks, several maybe, but I've rarely seen those guys have a long & productive career. But, like you say, it's ONE report and not exactly damning at that.

The former coach saying publicly what the current Cowboys coach said, should have remained private. Perhaps all parties involved should keep their trap shut on stuff like that. Teams don’t usually embarrass a player like that publicly.

Maybe it was leaked on purpose to motivate him.

Just came here to say this. Is it dirty pool? Well, if Blue isn't working hard, that's on him.

Maybe they've tried other motivational tactics and haven't gotten results. Getting called out publicly might work. Blue can deny it, but at the same time, start acting like a pro. I don't have a problem with it.

 

[msudaisy26]

As for the lazy thing reported, I’ll let it pass, but watch for anymore reports of that becoming a problem. The sky isn’t falling after one report.

Yeah. Agreed, but if it's true (IF), then he won't last long. He may have a few good weeks, several maybe, but I've rarely seen those guys have a long & productive career. But, like you say, it's ONE report and not exactly damning at that.

The former coach saying publicly what the current Cowboys coach said, should have remained private. Perhaps all parties involved should keep their trap shut on stuff like that. Teams don’t usually embarrass a player like that publicly.

Maybe it was leaked on purpose to motivate him.

Just came here to say this. Is it dirty pool? Well, if Blue isn't working hard, that's on him.

Maybe they've tried other motivational tactics and haven't gotten results. Getting called out publicly might work. Blue can deny it, but at the same time, start acting like a pro. I don't have a problem with it.

I doubt they tried other tactics. Plus he is a kid and a rookie, he probably needs to mature a little, but most of these kids have to learn be professionals.

 

[Football Jones]

As for the lazy thing reported, I’ll let it pass, but watch for anymore reports of that becoming a problem. The sky isn’t falling after one report.

Yeah. Agreed, but if it's true (IF), then he won't last long. He may have a few good weeks, several maybe, but I've rarely seen those guys have a long & productive career. But, like you say, it's ONE report and not exactly damning at that.

The former coach saying publicly what the current Cowboys coach said, should have remained private. Perhaps all parties involved should keep their trap shut on stuff like that. Teams don’t usually embarrass a player like that publicly.

Maybe it was leaked on purpose to motivate him.

Just came here to say this. Is it dirty pool? Well, if Blue isn't working hard, that's on him.

Maybe they've tried other motivational tactics and haven't gotten results. Getting called out publicly might work. Blue can deny it, but at the same time, start acting like a pro. I don't have a problem with it.

I doubt they tried other tactics. Plus he is a kid and a rookie, he probably needs to mature a little, but most of these kids have to learn be professionals.

We don't know what they've tried. I seriously doubt if this was done on purpose, it was their first attempt to motivate him. If they felt the need to call Blue out, it's not a matter of needing to mature.

He doesn't have a chance in hell to make it unless he applies himself. Blue isn't nearly talented enough to skate.

 

[zamboni]

Blue seems like the only one in the RB room who could potentially emerge as a viable fantasy contributor. Sanders and Javonte just seem like sunk costs holding down the fort.

For these reasons, I am very interested in Dak this year at QB - he will probably be throwing the ball a ton.

 

[rockaction]

What is Dallas doing with that room?

I’ve said this before but where a lot of us look at Dallas and can’t believe they don’t prioritize RB more, internally they look at stuff like the production they got out of Dowdle, who they did not even want back, and believe their method works. That the position is fungible and they’d rather commit resources elsewhere.

I get what they think, meno. My question is basically a rhetorical question in place of saying something akin to “they’re ****in’ stupid and it is going to cost them.”

I knew Dowdle would be just fine. He’s good and was very good in college and I expected him, barring injury, to have the kind of year he had. I think he will get even better, but Chuba is formidable competition.

I do not think that Blue, Sanders, Williams, Mafah, and Leupke are a pro RB running room and I think it will cost them a crucial game or two.

I mean, I agree with people who devalue the position to some extent. Big contracts are stupid and the money best spent elsewhere. The highest running back WAR can’t be more than 1.5 tops. But there are guys kicking around that are just flat better than Javonte and Sanders. Trotting this room out there is like almost fully punting on TE in fantasy football. (Had to work fantasy in there).

Another thing is Dak and health. No guarantee at all he makes it through the year healthy, and if Joe Milton is your backup you’re going to need a running game. Can’t throw 45-50 times a game, even with Dak.

Their team is constructed poorly and Jerry Jones has become a pretty bad owner and overseer of that club.

 

[smbkrypt24]

What is Dallas doing with that room?

I’ve said this before but where a lot of us look at Dallas and can’t believe they don’t prioritize RB more, internally they look at stuff like the production they got out of Dowdle, who they did not even want back, and believe their method works. That the position is fungible and they’d rather commit resources elsewhere.

I get what they think, memo. My question is basically a rhetorical question in place of saying something akin to “they’re ****in’ stupid and it is going to cost them.”

I knew Dowdle would be just fine. He’s good and was very good in college and I expected him, barring injury, to have the kind of year he had. I think he will get even better, but Chuba is formidable competition.

I do not think that Blue, Sanders, Williams, Mafah, and Leupke are a pro RB running room and I think it will cost them a crucial game or two.

I mean, I agree with people who devalue the position to some extent. Big contracts are stupid and the money best spent elsewhere. The highest running back WAR can’t be more than 1.5 tops. But there are guys kicking around that are just flat better than Javonte and Sanders. Trotting this room out there is like almost fully punting on TE in fantasy football. (Had to work fantasy in there).

Another thing is Dak and health. No guarantee at all he makes it through the year healthy, and if Joe Milton is your backup you’re going to need a running game. Can’t throw 45-50 times a game, even with Dak.

Their team is constructed poorly and Jerry Jones has become a pretty bad owner and overseer of that club.

I would prefer underpaying the room rather than overpaying for it. I think they could have done better than Sanders this offseason with Harris (before the eye injury), A Jones, and Dobbins. It seems those contracts were all reasonable.

 

[rockaction]

What is Dallas doing with that room?

I’ve said this before but where a lot of us look at Dallas and can’t believe they don’t prioritize RB more, internally they look at stuff like the production they got out of Dowdle, who they did not even want back, and believe their method works. That the position is fungible and they’d rather commit resources elsewhere.

I get what they think, memo. My question is basically a rhetorical question in place of saying something akin to “they’re ****in’ stupid and it is going to cost them.”

I knew Dowdle would be just fine. He’s good and was very good in college and I expected him, barring injury, to have the kind of year he had. I think he will get even better, but Chuba is formidable competition.

I do not think that Blue, Sanders, Williams, Mafah, and Leupke are a pro RB running room and I think it will cost them a crucial game or two.

I mean, I agree with people who devalue the position to some extent. Big contracts are stupid and the money best spent elsewhere. The highest running back WAR can’t be more than 1.5 tops. But there are guys kicking around that are just flat better than Javonte and Sanders. Trotting this room out there is like almost fully punting on TE in fantasy football. (Had to work fantasy in there).

Another thing is Dak and health. No guarantee at all he makes it through the year healthy, and if Joe Milton is your backup you’re going to need a running game. Can’t throw 45-50 times a game, even with Dak.

Their team is constructed poorly and Jerry Jones has become a pretty bad owner and overseer of that club.

I would prefer underpaying the room rather than overpaying for it. I think they could have done better than Sanders this offseason with Harris (before the eye injury), A Jones, and Dobbins. It seems those contracts were all reasonable.

Williams and Sanders combine for a total much less than either Jones or Harris by at least a million when compared and significantly more for Jones.

Sanders and Williams are guaranteed about 4.2-4.4 million dollars combined.

Jones got 8 million to sign alone plus salary.
Harris got like 5.25 guaranteed.

So they could have maybe signed Harris alone or Dobbins (2.7 million guaranteed plus reportedly .7 million per-game bonuses), but not as any combo nor all together.

They’re spending about 7.5 million dollars total on that room (1.3+3+1.1+1.2+.9). That’s less than Jones’s signing bonus.

Pathetic.

eta* For Dallas, that combined total is give or take .5 million or so. Harris and Dobbins are pretty exact. Jones is, like, in a different stratosphere than these guys. He signed two years for twenty million. I don’t like that signing.

 

[travdogg]

What is Dallas doing with that room?

I’ve said this before but where a lot of us look at Dallas and can’t believe they don’t prioritize RB more, internally they look at stuff like the production they got out of Dowdle, who they did not even want back, and believe their method works. That the position is fungible and they’d rather commit resources elsewhere.

I get what they think, memo. My question is basically a rhetorical question in place of saying something akin to “they’re ****in’ stupid and it is going to cost them.”

I knew Dowdle would be just fine. He’s good and was very good in college and I expected him, barring injury, to have the kind of year he had. I think he will get even better, but Chuba is formidable competition.

I do not think that Blue, Sanders, Williams, Mafah, and Leupke are a pro RB running room and I think it will cost them a crucial game or two.

I mean, I agree with people who devalue the position to some extent. Big contracts are stupid and the money best spent elsewhere. The highest running back WAR can’t be more than 1.5 tops. But there are guys kicking around that are just flat better than Javonte and Sanders. Trotting this room out there is like almost fully punting on TE in fantasy football. (Had to work fantasy in there).

Another thing is Dak and health. No guarantee at all he makes it through the year healthy, and if Joe Milton is your backup you’re going to need a running game. Can’t throw 45-50 times a game, even with Dak.

Their team is constructed poorly and Jerry Jones has become a pretty bad owner and overseer of that club.

I would prefer underpaying the room rather than overpaying for it. I think they could have done better than Sanders this offseason with Harris (before the eye injury), A Jones, and Dobbins. It seems those contracts were all reasonable.

Williams and Sanders combine for a total much less than either Jones or Harris by at least a million when compared and significantly more for Jones.

Sanders and Williams are guaranteed about 4.2-4.4 million dollars combined.

Jones got 8 million to sign alone plus salary.
Harris got like 5.25 guaranteed.

So they could have maybe signed Harris alone or Dobbins (2.7 million guaranteed plus reportedly .7 million per-game bonuses), but not as any combo nor all together.

They’re spending about 7.5 million dollars total on that room (1.3+3+1.1+1.2+.9). That’s less than Jones’s signing bonus.

Pathetic.

eta* For Dallas, that combined total is give or take .5 million or so. Harris and Dobbins are pretty exact. Jones is, like, in a different stratosphere than these guys. He signed two years for twenty million. I don’t like that signing.

Honestly there was no reason to let Pollard walk. He makes 7.25 and was coming off back to back 1300+ total yard seasons for them. I feel like Jerry Jones got so laughed at for the Zeke deal (which was market breaking) that he vastly overcorrected.

My bet is on Sanders if anyone becomes start worthy, but I could certainly see this backfield being like Denver last year, where the correct answer may be to just avoid it altogether.

 

[TheWinz]

My bet is on Sanders if anyone becomes start worthy, but I could certainly see this backfield being like Denver last year, where the correct answer may be to just avoid it altogether.

As a what the heck bye filler last year, Javonte scored double digits in PPR 8 times. He's pretty useless rushing, but he has been used quite a bit in the passing game. Now, I'm not saying he's a good receiver, just that he's been used alot. Will he get the bulk of the RB passes over Sanders? For their careers, 15.9% of Miles touches have come via the pass vs 20.7% for Javonte.

 

[wgoldsph]

No skills as a runner.

You keep saying that but his rushing metrics are not good, they are outstanding.

He had only 80 attempts for 431 yards his first two years and 134 for 730, his best was his last. I wouldn’t call that outstanding for college. When I watched him he didn’t look great as a runner. When I watched him he struggled between the tackles. His his vision seemed to be lacking in that area.

That's a volume situation, I'm talking about metrics.

Like being the #1 RB in the entire class in percentage of rushing yards and YPC after contact and 4th in the class in YPC when hit at or behind the LOS.

He's a speed guy, so I'm assuming a lot of those rushes were to the outside. So he could have gone 0 for up the middle for every rush, and as long as he was brushed behind the LOS on just a handful of the sweeps he broke for big gains his low carry total will cause those huge outlier runs to matter much much more than another RB with 200+ rushes and a similar skill set.

I haven't watched his tape, but I'd put money on him having a 60+ yard run where he broke a weak diving tackle behind the line of scrimmage. He gets stuffed between the tackles nine other times and that's still an average of 6 ypc after being hit behind or at the LOS. It's very much a volume situation.

 

[menobrown]

No skills as a runner.

You keep saying that but his rushing metrics are not good, they are outstanding.

He had only 80 attempts for 431 yards his first two years and 134 for 730, his best was his last. I wouldn’t call that outstanding for college. When I watched him he didn’t look great as a runner. When I watched him he struggled between the tackles. His his vision seemed to be lacking in that area.

That's a volume situation, I'm talking about metrics.

Like being the #1 RB in the entire class in percentage of rushing yards and YPC after contact and 4th in the class in YPC when hit at or behind the LOS.

He's a speed guy, so I'm assuming a lot of those rushes were to the outside. So he could have gone 0 for up the middle for every rush, and as long as he was brushed behind the LOS on just a handful of the sweeps he broke for big gains his low carry total will cause those huge outlier runs to matter much much more than another RB with 200+ rushes and a similar skill set.

I haven't watched his tape, but I'd put money on him having a 60+ yard run where he broke a weak diving tackle behind the line of scrimmage. He gets stuffed between the tackles nine other times and that's still an average of 6 ypc after being hit behind or at the LOS. It's very much a volume situation.

If you say so but I’m providing actual metrics which you are dismissing with a guess. At least back it up with something like actually backing up he has a high stuff rate or something. Just a hunch without ever watching him play and making conclusions? Thanks but I’d pass on this take.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I guess my questions are, did Texas have a good o-line? Does Dallas have a good o-line?

 

[TheWinz]

I admit I know very little about Jaydon Blue, so I did a little digging. The first thing that struck me as odd was how little rushing he actually did in college.

2024 - He has 135 rushes as a 20 year old junior, while teammate Quintrevion Wisner has 226 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. They both played 15 games, and Wisner is taller and lighter than Blue. Just by age and build, I would assume their rushing totals would be opposite. Wisner also caught 44 passes to Blue's 42. Hopefully a Longhorns fan can shed some light as to why Blue was outtouched 176 to 270?

2023 - He has 65 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. He takes a back seat to Jonathan Brooks (187 carries), which I can understand, but he is also behind 18 year old freshman CJ Baxter (138 carries). Brooks and Baxter also have more catches than Blue.

2022 - He has 15 rushes and no catches as an 18 year old freshman. He doesn't stand a chance for touches behind Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, and Jonathan Brooks. Only 15 carries is no dig on him.

In 3 seasons at Texas, he was never the team leader in rushes or catches by a RB. And as a sophomore and junior, he took a back seat to someone younger. I don't know why?

 

[zamboni]

I admit I know very little about Jaydon Blue, so I did a little digging. The first thing that struck me as odd was how little rushing he actually did in college.

2024 - He has 135 rushes as a 20 year old junior, while teammate Quintrevion Wisner has 226 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. They both played 15 games, and Wisner is taller and lighter than Blue. Just by age and build, I would assume their rushing totals would be opposite. Wisner also caught 44 passes to Blue's 42. Hopefully a Longhorns fan can shed some light as to why Blue was outtouched 176 to 270?

2023 - He has 65 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. He takes a back seat to Jonathan Brooks (187 carries), which I can understand, but he is also behind 18 year old freshman CJ Baxter (138 carries). Brooks and Baxter also have more catches than Blue.

2022 - He has 15 rushes and no catches as an 18 year old freshman. He doesn't stand a chance for touches behind Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, and Jonathan Brooks. Only 15 carries is no dig on him.

In 3 seasons at Texas, he was never the team leader in rushes or catches by a RB. And as a sophomore and junior, he took a back seat to someone younger. I don't know why?

Definitely a question regarding last year, but can easily see why he would play very little in 2022 with Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson there and in 2023 with Jonathan Brooks.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I admit I know very little about Jaydon Blue, so I did a little digging. The first thing that struck me as odd was how little rushing he actually did in college.

2024 - He has 135 rushes as a 20 year old junior, while teammate Quintrevion Wisner has 226 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. They both played 15 games, and Wisner is taller and lighter than Blue. Just by age and build, I would assume their rushing totals would be opposite. Wisner also caught 44 passes to Blue's 42. Hopefully a Longhorns fan can shed some light as to why Blue was outtouched 176 to 270?

2023 - He has 65 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. He takes a back seat to Jonathan Brooks (187 carries), which I can understand, but he is also behind 18 year old freshman CJ Baxter (138 carries). Brooks and Baxter also have more catches than Blue.

2022 - He has 15 rushes and no catches as an 18 year old freshman. He doesn't stand a chance for touches behind Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, and Jonathan Brooks. Only 15 carries is no dig on him.

In 3 seasons at Texas, he was never the team leader in rushes or catches by a RB. And as a sophomore and junior, he took a back seat to someone younger. I don't know why?

Definitely a question regarding last year, but can easily see why he would play very little in 2022 with Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson there and in 2023 with Jonathan Brooks.

Both of you
42 catches, 368 yds and 6 TDs his Senior Year, that's a lot of work in the passing game, RBs don't typically rack up a lot of catches
He will likely be the pass catching leader of the RBs, Williams will not be a workhorse
I can see this Blue guy being able to produce 800-1,000+ total yds in between the 20s, receiving threat and safety valve for Dak when he is scrambling

 

[TheWinz]

I admit I know very little about Jaydon Blue, so I did a little digging. The first thing that struck me as odd was how little rushing he actually did in college.

2024 - He has 135 rushes as a 20 year old junior, while teammate Quintrevion Wisner has 226 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. They both played 15 games, and Wisner is taller and lighter than Blue. Just by age and build, I would assume their rushing totals would be opposite. Wisner also caught 44 passes to Blue's 42. Hopefully a Longhorns fan can shed some light as to why Blue was outtouched 176 to 270?

2023 - He has 65 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. He takes a back seat to Jonathan Brooks (187 carries), which I can understand, but he is also behind 18 year old freshman CJ Baxter (138 carries). Brooks and Baxter also have more catches than Blue.

2022 - He has 15 rushes and no catches as an 18 year old freshman. He doesn't stand a chance for touches behind Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, and Jonathan Brooks. Only 15 carries is no dig on him.

In 3 seasons at Texas, he was never the team leader in rushes or catches by a RB. And as a sophomore and junior, he took a back seat to someone younger. I don't know why?

Definitely a question regarding last year, but can easily see why he would play very little in 2022 with Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson there and in 2023 with Jonathan Brooks.

It wasn't just last year. It was 2023 as well. In both years he was outtouched by a younger guy, and none were named Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, or Jonathan Brooks. They were Quintrevion Wisner and CJ Baxter. They are both still on the Longhorns as a Sophomore and a Junior.

 

[TheWinz]

I admit I know very little about Jaydon Blue, so I did a little digging. The first thing that struck me as odd was how little rushing he actually did in college.

2024 - He has 135 rushes as a 20 year old junior, while teammate Quintrevion Wisner has 226 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. They both played 15 games, and Wisner is taller and lighter than Blue. Just by age and build, I would assume their rushing totals would be opposite. Wisner also caught 44 passes to Blue's 42. Hopefully a Longhorns fan can shed some light as to why Blue was outtouched 176 to 270?

2023 - He has 65 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. He takes a back seat to Jonathan Brooks (187 carries), which I can understand, but he is also behind 18 year old freshman CJ Baxter (138 carries). Brooks and Baxter also have more catches than Blue.

2022 - He has 15 rushes and no catches as an 18 year old freshman. He doesn't stand a chance for touches behind Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, and Jonathan Brooks. Only 15 carries is no dig on him.

In 3 seasons at Texas, he was never the team leader in rushes or catches by a RB. And as a sophomore and junior, he took a back seat to someone younger. I don't know why?

Definitely a question regarding last year, but can easily see why he would play very little in 2022 with Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson there and in 2023 with Jonathan Brooks.

Both of you
42 catches, 368 yds and 6 TDs his Senior Year, that's a lot of work in the passing game, RBs don't typically rack up a lot of catches
He will likely be the pass catching leader of the RBs, Williams will not be a workhorse
I can see this Blue guy being able to produce 800-1,000+ total yds in between the 20s, receiving threat and safety valve for Dak when he is scrambling

In Blue's 3 seasons at Texas, he never led the RB's in catches or rushes. Younger guys the last 2 years had more catches and rushes than him, and both are still on the team. I am only trying to figure out why this is? For now, I'm not concerned with who on Dallas is going to be getting touches. I'm still trying to figure out why Blue was used so sparingly AFTER Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, and Jonathan Brooks all left?

 

[JohnnyU]

I admit I know very little about Jaydon Blue, so I did a little digging. The first thing that struck me as odd was how little rushing he actually did in college.

2024 - He has 135 rushes as a 20 year old junior, while teammate Quintrevion Wisner has 226 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. They both played 15 games, and Wisner is taller and lighter than Blue. Just by age and build, I would assume their rushing totals would be opposite. Wisner also caught 44 passes to Blue's 42. Hopefully a Longhorns fan can shed some light as to why Blue was outtouched 176 to 270?

2023 - He has 65 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. He takes a back seat to Jonathan Brooks (187 carries), which I can understand, but he is also behind 18 year old freshman CJ Baxter (138 carries). Brooks and Baxter also have more catches than Blue.

2022 - He has 15 rushes and no catches as an 18 year old freshman. He doesn't stand a chance for touches behind Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, and Jonathan Brooks. Only 15 carries is no dig on him.

In 3 seasons at Texas, he was never the team leader in rushes or catches by a RB. And as a sophomore and junior, he took a back seat to someone younger. I don't know why?

Definitely a question regarding last year, but can easily see why he would play very little in 2022 with Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson there and in 2023 with Jonathan Brooks.

Both of you
42 catches, 368 yds and 6 TDs his Senior Year, that's a lot of work in the passing game, RBs don't typically rack up a lot of catches
He will likely be the pass catching leader of the RBs, Williams will not be a workhorse
I can see this Blue guy being able to produce 800-1,000+ total yds in between the 20s, receiving threat and safety valve for Dak when he is scrambling

His pass catching ability is a given. It's the other parts of his game that I question.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Dallas is still the same team they were last year. The defense needs some help and they are hoping to have replaced key player losses thru the draft but I am expecting more of the same from the team.

The Vegas odds for win total is set at 7.5. Good teams run the ball. Dallas is not a good team. They're going to throw for a lot and Blue will be there guy. Miles Sanders sucks. Javonte Williams doesn't seem to have much burst. Blue can catch and can probably run between the tackles as well as anyone on the roster.

It just seems like 50 receptions is within range.

50 catches
1000 total yards
6 total TDs

I don't see Dallas adding to this room. Kendre Miller? Looks like they have a couple Kendre Miller's on the roster. Potential RB cuts Alexander Mattison, Austin Ekeler, Zack Moss, Zamir White, Devin Singletary - none of those names sound better than Javonte Williams but they all sound better than Miles Sanders. Another name that I keep thinking would be great in Dallas... Travis Etienne?

Javonta Williams and Blue seem like the players to own in Dallas (for now).

 

[Ilov80s]

I don't see it with Blue. Undersized. Fast but not blazing. Good pass catcher but not sure what he can do as an early down or GL player. He already is getting called lazy. I don't like it.

 

[motoclube]

Isaiah Likely (BAL) is worth a shot. With Mark Andrews getting older, Likely could step up as a key target.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I don't see it with Blue. Undersized. Fast but not blazing. Good pass catcher but not sure what he can do as an early down or GL player. He already is getting called lazy. I don't like it.

Looks like he Blue a great opportunity.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Isaiah Likely (BAL) is worth a shot. With Mark Andrews getting older, Likely could step up as a key target.

This comment really just came out of the Blue.

 

[menobrown]

Fast but not blazing

This dude can fly, what is your criteria for blazing and has anyone other then Chris Johnson qualified?

 

[efactor]

Fast but not blazing

This dude can fly, what is your criteria for blazing and has anyone other then Chris Johnson qualified?

Man, Chris Johnson was fast. Almost single handed won me a title during his big season. Good times.

 

[JohnnyU]

Isaiah Likely (BAL) is worth a shot. With Mark Andrews getting older, Likely could step up as a key target.

This comment really just came out of the Blue.

Sounds like it was meant in a different thread. happens.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Isaiah Likely (BAL) is worth a shot. With Mark Andrews getting older, Likely could step up as a key target.

This comment really just came out of the Blue.

Sounds like it was meant in a different thread. happens.

In the spirit of Jaydon Blue, I just really wanted to use the "out of the Blue" comment.

The more I dive into Jaydon Blue, the more I believe he is the RB to own in Dallas. It will really come down to how well he can perform in pass protection. I think the Cowboys will throw a lot. He looks like the more explosive back between the 3. After watching some of his college tape, he is a pretty polished receiver and knows how to make people miss. He seems to have good pace and vision. I disagree with @Ilov80s take that he isn't explosive or fast... dude has the juice. Probably worth a flier for me.

 

[JohnnyU]

Isaiah Likely (BAL) is worth a shot. With Mark Andrews getting older, Likely could step up as a key target.

This comment really just came out of the Blue.

Sounds like it was meant in a different thread. happens.

In the spirit of Jaydon Blue, I just really wanted to use the "out of the Blue" comment.

The more I dive into Jaydon Blue, the more I believe he is the RB to own in Dallas. It will really come down to how well he can perform in pass protection. I think the Cowboys will throw a lot. He looks like the more explosive back between the 3. After watching some of his college tape, he is a pretty polished receiver and knows how to make people miss. He seems to have good pace and vision. I disagree with @Ilov80s take that he isn't explosive or fast... dude has the juice. Probably worth a flier for me.

I disagree about the vision statement, especially as a runner between the tackles. I don’t think it’s his thing. But he can be valuable, the question is how much?

 

[Ilov80s]

Fast but not blazing

This dude can fly, what is your criteria for blazing and has anyone other then Chris Johnson qualified?

He didn't run at the combine. Ran 4.38 at his pro day but pro day times are always a little juiced. Plus he is under 200 pounds so it's just a little less impressive than a bigger player hitting a time like that. But sure he is very fast no doubt.

 

[Ilov80s]

Isaiah Likely (BAL) is worth a shot. With Mark Andrews getting older, Likely could step up as a key target.

This comment really just came out of the Blue.

Sounds like it was meant in a different thread. happens.

In the spirit of Jaydon Blue, I just really wanted to use the "out of the Blue" comment.

The more I dive into Jaydon Blue, the more I believe he is the RB to own in Dallas. It will really come down to how well he can perform in pass protection. I think the Cowboys will throw a lot. He looks like the more explosive back between the 3. After watching some of his college tape, he is a pretty polished receiver and knows how to make people miss. He seems to have good pace and vision. I disagree with @Ilov80s take that he isn't explosive or fast... dude has the juice. Probably worth a flier for me.

He's fast, not saying otherwise. Just mean for under 200 pounds, I don't seen the same level of speed as a Achane type. Not sure if his speed is truly special when you also factor in his size.

 

[menobrown]

Fast but not blazing

This dude can fly, what is your criteria for blazing and has anyone other then Chris Johnson qualified?

He didn't run at the combine. Ran 4.38 at his pro day but pro day times are always a little juiced. Plus he is under 200 pounds so it's just a little less impressive than a bigger player hitting a time like that. But sure he is very fast no doubt.

Thanks for answering but you are working with incorrect information.

He did run at the combine. That's where he posted a 4.38 but he also had a grade 2 groin strain and that's why he said he had to remove himself from other testing.

He then ran a 4.25-4.28 at his pro day.

Above and beyond that testing, and my eye test, one of the firsts posts in this thread is his 22.3 GPS tracking on a run last year.

 

[Ilov80s]

Fast but not blazing

This dude can fly, what is your criteria for blazing and has anyone other then Chris Johnson qualified?

He didn't run at the combine. Ran 4.38 at his pro day but pro day times are always a little juiced. Plus he is under 200 pounds so it's just a little less impressive than a bigger player hitting a time like that. But sure he is very fast no doubt.

Thanks for answering but you are working with incorrect information.

He did run at the combine. That's where he posted a 4.38 but he also had a grade 2 groin strain and that's why he said he had to remove himself from other testing.

He then ran a 4.25-4.28 at his pro day.

Above and beyond that testing, and my eye test, one of the firsts posts in this thread is his 22.3 GPS tracking on a run last year.

Thanks, that does change things. I don't know why I thought he skipped the combine entirely.

 

[barackdhouse]

BMI 28.9 for what it's worth. If he *isn*t lazy maybe he can put on a couple more pounds. No idea what to think of the depth chart or his opportunity but we'll have a lot more info soon enough. I drafted a lot of this guy so far. Not worried about his size and HFS am I not worried about his uber elite blazing speed.

 

[menobrown]

If he *isn*t lazy maybe he can put on a couple more pounds.

I think he probably is or has been lazy or maybe a better way of saying it is not professional enough.

There is some talk that the "report" from that guy who last coached in the NFL two years before Blue was even born did not get his report from anyone with the Cowboys but from someone on staff from UT. I'm not sure on that one way or the other, but it does check the concerns I heard about him coming in the predraft process.

Heard this other sources but here is some comments from Dane Bruglers's draft guide:

*Needs to convince NFL teams he has desire and work ethic to maximize talent

*NFL scouts say he might need time to learn what it takes to be a professional.

Other red flags:

* He accepted his invitation to the East-West Shrine Bowl but pulled out at the last moment (NFL scout: "His mom is running things, and they didn't think he should do it.")

*he actually just flat passed on playing his senior year of HS. Not over Covid or anything. Said he was going to concentrate on academics and getting ready for college but also said that football is a brutal sport and the wear on a RB is real. (this may or not be a red flag to all and in his defense he had already suffered knee injury that required surgery all the way back in 7th grad. I'd add perhaps one of the reasons other then being on a college team with a bunch of NFL RB's he did not get more of a workload was he did not want to be used that much?)

So for me my is he's a super high upside guy with some legit concerns. But other then landing in a strong situation I find him very appealling because it's in his power to fix the things he needs to fix, but his Gibbs like explosion is something that's super rare and can't be taught.

I know he's taking to social media refuting this "lazy" report. I hope this report is a wake up call and he takes this to the practice field instead of social media, if he does the sky is the limit. He controls his upside more then anything or anyone IMO.

 

[Blick]

I admit I know very little about Jaydon Blue, so I did a little digging. The first thing that struck me as odd was how little rushing he actually did in college.

2024 - He has 135 rushes as a 20 year old junior, while teammate Quintrevion Wisner has 226 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. They both played 15 games, and Wisner is taller and lighter than Blue. Just by age and build, I would assume their rushing totals would be opposite. Wisner also caught 44 passes to Blue's 42. Hopefully a Longhorns fan can shed some light as to why Blue was outtouched 176 to 270?

2023 - He has 65 rushes as a 19 year old sophomore. He takes a back seat to Jonathan Brooks (187 carries), which I can understand, but he is also behind 18 year old freshman CJ Baxter (138 carries). Brooks and Baxter also have more catches than Blue.

2022 - He has 15 rushes and no catches as an 18 year old freshman. He doesn't stand a chance for touches behind Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson, and Jonathan Brooks. Only 15 carries is no dig on him.

In 3 seasons at Texas, he was never the team leader in rushes or catches by a RB. And as a sophomore and junior, he took a back seat to someone younger. I don't know why?

Definitely a question regarding last year, but can easily see why he would play very little in 2022 with Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson there and in 2023 with Jonathan Brooks.

Both of you
42 catches, 368 yds and 6 TDs his Senior Year, that's a lot of work in the passing game, RBs don't typically rack up a lot of catches
He will likely be the pass catching leader of the RBs, Williams will not be a workhorse
I can see this Blue guy being able to produce 800-1,000+ total yds in between the 20s, receiving threat and safety valve for Dak when he is scrambling

His pass catching ability is a given. It's the other parts of his game that I question.

But if there is one thing Javonte still does well, it’s pass protect. Blue won’t see many of those touches.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Is this the type of guy that even if Williams were to miss a number of games that it still would not make Blue a possible starter?
Would Dallas sign a guy off the streets and make him their lead back? I can think of RBs that have had golden chances over the last several decades and yet they don't seize the lead RB spot
For numerous reasons but being unprofessional would certainly impact his ability to move ahead
@TheWinz you have a good post, not sure what the answer is but if early reports are true and he's lazy/unprofessional, that would be a major red flag.
I have no idea if any of that is true, that's why i like to wait see the actual camp reports and also how they handle their snaps in preseason

 

[wgoldsph]

Just a hunch without ever watching him play and making conclusions? Thanks but I’d pass on this take.

Totally fair

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

Alvin Kamara lite

 

[Ray Barboni]

Alvin Kamara not

FTFY

 

[Ilov80s]

Is this the type of guy that even if Williams were to miss a number of games that it still would not make Blue a possible starter?

I would say so. At 5'9" 196 I would be surprised If Dallas was willing to use him as a feature lead back. Seems more destined to be a space back.

 

[menobrown]

Is this the type of guy that even if Williams were to miss a number of games that it still would not make Blue a possible starter?

I would say so. At 5'9" 196 I would be surprised If Dallas was willing to use him as a feature lead back. Seems more destined to be a space back.

Back when Gibbs came out I fought the fight hard that his 5'9"/199 frame was not a negative to him getting enough usage to be a starting RB or a big time fantasy player.

One of the players I looked at when determining this was CMC who is just a tad heavier at 202 but has a lower BMI since he measured 5'11".

Since then we've seen the smaller guys in the mid to low 190's like Bucky, Kyren and Achane.

No slight meant towards you but I'm surprised we are still doing this over just size.

Now I will say two players can be the same size and have different body types. Blue for instance has skinnier legs then a guy like Gibbs, that to me is a better argument then just saying he's 196. I'd also question if he has the required toughness and grit about him to handle that role on week in and week out basis.

So for me I'm not here to argue he's going to be a feature back or am trying to draft him as if he'll be, just saying I would not dismiss just because of his size. One of the things I find appealing about him is I don't think he needs to be but I feel like people are trying to shoe horn him as some kind of passing down only back and I think he's got more then that in his bag.

*all my measurements are combine numbers

 

[nittanylion]

Yes, size, as it appears 'on the printed page', in a vacuum, isn't at all a fair assessment of a prospects physical ability to translate from being successful in college to replicating that success in NFL.

How a prospect is 'built' is more important, as well as intangibles, which meno does a nice job pointing out.

Personally, I think he's got more than his size working against him, and I'm not pursuing him, at this time, and probably won't unless Duece Vaughn finds his way off the Roster, and the RB committee shrinks to 4.

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

LaDainian Tomlinson 2.0

 

[mrfrood]

Maybe the whole laziness story is a ploy to motivate him because they want him to be the main guy. I like Blue and I think he has skills to be a fantasy friendly player. From just a look and style of running, he reminds me of Kamara. I am not saying he will be Kamara but looks smooth like him. Also, don't do this measurable comparison stuff, blah blah blah. To me, his style reminds me of Kamara.

 

[warpig33]

The Mafah Mafia is making a lot of noise wanting Mafah to get a shot. I don't know much about either of the guys. But seems like this backfield could be a headache all year. (I do own 1 share of Blue in a deep dynasty, but picked him up late since that backfield is an unknown).

 

[JohnnyU]

The Mafah Mafia is making a lot of noise wanting Mafah to get a shot. I don't know much about either of the guys. But seems like this backfield could be a headache all year. (I do own 1 share of Blue in a deep dynasty, but picked him up late since that backfield is an unknown).

DAL RB = emergency start only

 

[TheWinz]

It just seems like 50 receptions is within range.

50 catches
1000 total yards
6 total TDs

50 catches for a rookie RB is an extremely high number, and being the 14th RB taken at 5.149 isn't inspiring confidence. Here are all the rookies since 2000 to reach 50 catches:
2023 - Bijan Robinson - 1.8, Jahmyr Gibbs - 1.12, Tyjae Spears - 3.81
2022 - Rachaad White - 3.91
2021 - Najee Harris - 1.24
2019 - Miles Sanders - 2.53
2018 - Saquon Barkley - 1.2, Nyheim Hines - 4.104
2017 - Christian McCaffrey - 1.8, Alvin Kamara - 3.67, Kareem Hunt - 3.86, Tarik Cohen - 4.119
2015 - Duke Johnson - 3.77
2013 - Giovani Bernard - 2.37
2012 - Trent Richardson - 1.3
2010 - Jahvid Best - 1.30
2008 - Matt Forte - 2.44, Steve Slaton - 3.89
2006 - Reggie Bush - 1.2
2001 - LaDainian Tomlinson - 1.5

That's only 20 RB's above. 9 drafted in the 1st round, 3 in the 2nd, 6 in the 3rd, and 2 in the 4th. None in the 5th or later. Sure, 50 catches is within range, but he would be the first this millennium to do it as a 5th round pick.

 

[Ilov80s]

It just seems like 50 receptions is within range.

50 catches
1000 total yards
6 total TDs

50 catches for a rookie RB is an extremely high number, and being the 14th RB taken at 5.149 isn't inspiring confidence. Here are all the rookies since 2000 to reach 50 catches:
2023 - Bijan Robinson - 1.8, Jahmyr Gibbs - 1.12, Tyjae Spears - 3.81
2022 - Rachaad White - 3.91
2021 - Najee Harris - 1.24
2019 - Miles Sanders - 2.53
2018 - Saquon Barkley - 1.2, Nyheim Hines - 4.104
2017 - Christian McCaffrey - 1.8, Alvin Kamara - 3.67, Kareem Hunt - 3.86, Tarik Cohen - 4.119
2015 - Duke Johnson - 3.77
2013 - Giovani Bernard - 2.37
2012 - Trent Richardson - 1.3
2010 - Jahvid Best - 1.30
2008 - Matt Forte - 2.44, Steve Slaton - 3.89
2006 - Reggie Bush - 1.2
2001 - LaDainian Tomlinson - 1.5

That's only 20 RB's above. 9 drafted in the 1st round, 3 in the 2nd, 6 in the 3rd, and 2 in the 4th. None in the 5th or later. Sure, 50 catches is within range, but he would be the first this millennium to do it as a 5th round pick.

Hyheim Hines seems like the most logical comp for Blue