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RB Jerome Ford, CLE (1 Viewer)
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ZADO
Footballguy
great discussion, enjoy the games Sunday my friend
chad in Indy
Footballguy
You provided no rebuttal. I'm not here to discuss or defend his off field issues. That has nothing to do with his on field performance. He's played well with his role which continues to grow and has a nose for the endzone. Still not sure of your argument
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themeistersinger
Footballguy
having him active with that ankle injury was stupid
ZADO
Footballguy
waste of a roster spot
VikingFrog
Footballguy
That was such an odd game for him. No idea what the gameplan was.
I figured he didn’t feel right after the first carry. Then he was out for what felt like 3 quarters only to magically reappear in the 4th.
And it was even more odd because it felt like Pierre and Hunt were running pretty well and taking care of the ball.
He’s back in
I figured he didn’t feel right after the first carry. Then he was out for what felt like 3 quarters only to magically reappear in the 4th.
And it was even more odd because it felt like Pierre and Hunt were running pretty well and taking care of the ball.
He’s back in
eagles 123
Footballguy
What a waste of a game. Would have rather him sit out this one and heal up than put up dog sht numbers.
rockaction
Footballguy
Chubb just had ACL surgery on top of his MCL surgery. I think Chubb's timetable is sometime in 2024, not the beginning of.
zamboni
Footballguy
Plus, who knows what kind of explosiveness he may have lost - even if slight - with the injury. And not like Chubb is exactly a spring chicken in RB years.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes, that's true, but I certainly won't count Chubb out. He's the rare athletic specimen that can actually come back from this type of injury at this age. Will he? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet against him.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair - he's not quite at that 1500 (somewhat arbitrary) carry mark where RBs fall off the cliff - still at 1238 plus 123 receptions. I agree he's more Derrick Henry than your traditional RB, but it doesn't take much to be a dominant RB and just an effective one.
Also if he's medically cleared they can release Chubb and save over $12m on the cap. Because he's such a highly respected player on and off the field I don't think they will, but if they were just making a cold hearted football decision it's hard to justify paying that much to a RB who likely won't be available for a good chunk of the season and may not be himself at any point.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
I’m operating under the assumption he’s the starter for probably the first half of next year and transitions into a ‘hunt role’ over the back half (with obvious variance in both directions for how well Chubb recovers)
Proteus
Footballguy
It is, but as was already stated before I got back to this:
1. Chubb has a long road ahead of him to being Chubb again
2. I’m clueless about contract situations and maybe he’s done enough to be the 1 elsewhere…
…or is he just D’Ernest Johnson 2: Not-so-electric Bugaloo
barackdhouse
Footballguy
As crazy as it sounds to say it, this year Cleveland is that team that nobody is going to want to play in the playoffs. There is always one team in the dance that nobody thinks has legit SB possibilities, but that you really don't want to have to play. As Ford is concerned, love seeing him excel and expect them to ride him hard. They're going to be a really tough out. They're going to be on the road vs the AFC South winner (Indy?) or KC, who has played terribly and has first round exit written all over them if they don't get it together. Cleveland at Miami in the divisional and the dream dies but not who the Fins would want most likely.
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Agree though I think they will likely be playing the winner of the AFC South(Indy, Jax or HOU) which is an ideal matchup.
Was just saying something about this in the Flacco thread but he was really great during his SB run years ago. He won't be rattled and the moment won't be to big for him and in round one against Trevor, Minshew and a rookie that could be a big deal.
We actually got a chance he could end up back in Baltimore against the Ravens in the divisional round. Good theater.
As for Ford's prospects next year I'd say that ironically he might stand a better shot of a sizeable role if the team feels good about Chubb's recovery. If they don't, or think(as I do) that' he's not going to be ready to play mid season or later(at best) then that will likely have them prioritizing bringing in another quality RB who would likely be a RBBC with Ford. To be clear they are likely bringing in another RB regardless, just impacts how much of a priority they place on it.
I owned Ford a ton in redraft but only have him on one dynasty team and that was a trade deadline deal where I acquired him for some depth. I did not really think of him as a keeper but I'm leaning that way now.
zamboni
Footballguy
Will be interesting to see his role next year if Chubb makes it back. Perhaps a Henry/Spears type situation.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I meant to say South - was thinking Indy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I have Buffalo beating KC in the WC round and then they go to Baltimore and Cleveland goes to Miami but yeah the Flacco/Baltimore narrative would be fun.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Yeah I watched pretty much all of that jets game last night and he looked fantastic against a very solid defense. He’s got some moves for sure, created more than was blocked on several occasions
MAC_32
Footballguy
50/50 to start and if Chubb returns to 90+% of what he was then Chubb returns to his ~17+ touch role and Ford gets what's left.
I'll be surprised if Chubb is playing before week 5 at the earliest.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Me too.
jm192
Footballguy
He'll be a dude I'm targeting in Re-draft/bestball.
Maybe Dynasty too? Chubb will be 29 at the end of the season, may never be quite the same after the injury. I would imagine Ford's price tag makes it easy to keep him around.
Back to this year.
I think he's a really nice value. I've got him at RB35. I highly doubt Chubb plays to start the season. You may get several outright starts to begin the season. Even when Chubb starts playing, I would imagine they ease him in. When you're drafting RB's in the 30-40 range, I think you're hoping for a guy that can be a solid RB1/RB2 given the right situation, even if just for a few weeks here and there. I think Ford fits the bill nicely given the Chub situation.
Fantasypros has him at RB39. FBG has him at RB41. I'll be ecstatic to grab him at ADP and start him the first 3, 4, 5 weeks of the season.
Bestball wise--It would logically seem that the season is set up for his role to fade towards the end of the season. I think where you're drafting him, it doesn't really hurt you if it does. But I also think there's a world in which Chubb has a setback, reinjury, new injury, whatever.
Maybe Dynasty too? Chubb will be 29 at the end of the season, may never be quite the same after the injury. I would imagine Ford's price tag makes it easy to keep him around.
Back to this year.
I think he's a really nice value. I've got him at RB35. I highly doubt Chubb plays to start the season. You may get several outright starts to begin the season. Even when Chubb starts playing, I would imagine they ease him in. When you're drafting RB's in the 30-40 range, I think you're hoping for a guy that can be a solid RB1/RB2 given the right situation, even if just for a few weeks here and there. I think Ford fits the bill nicely given the Chub situation.
Fantasypros has him at RB39. FBG has him at RB41. I'll be ecstatic to grab him at ADP and start him the first 3, 4, 5 weeks of the season.
Bestball wise--It would logically seem that the season is set up for his role to fade towards the end of the season. I think where you're drafting him, it doesn't really hurt you if it does. But I also think there's a world in which Chubb has a setback, reinjury, new injury, whatever.
kutta
Footballguy
I agree. I own him in dynasty and offered him to the Chubb owner for a 2025 second a couple months back. He declined, and I’m kind of glad he did.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Playoffs? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!
satch
Footballguy
I think most of us agree that, given Chubb’s timeline, Ford could be a steal at ADP. Seems in line to open the season as the starter for what could be a decent stretch of games, and the better he plays, the longer Chubb will remain on the sidelines, as there would be less incentive to rush him back onto the field.
Once Chubb does return, it will be relatively slowly, and there is potential for setbacks similar to JK Dobbins. Without setbacks, if Ford looks good it could be a 50/50 split even when Chubb returns. With a significant setback to Chubb, Ford could be the most valuable Browns RB all season long.
The big question: is Ford a really good RB or just a guy? I genuinely don’t know, barely got to see him play. I know there were flashes, but nobody seems overly excited about Ford despite the opportunity before him.
Just for the sake of discussion, suppose we knew Chubb would be out all season. Where would Ford be ranked among RBs for 2024?
Once Chubb does return, it will be relatively slowly, and there is potential for setbacks similar to JK Dobbins. Without setbacks, if Ford looks good it could be a 50/50 split even when Chubb returns. With a significant setback to Chubb, Ford could be the most valuable Browns RB all season long.
The big question: is Ford a really good RB or just a guy? I genuinely don’t know, barely got to see him play. I know there were flashes, but nobody seems overly excited about Ford despite the opportunity before him.
Just for the sake of discussion, suppose we knew Chubb would be out all season. Where would Ford be ranked among RBs for 2024?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He's not very efficient.
Decent in pass pro and had a lot of opportunities on 3rd down; led the league with 9 drops (64 targets.....for comp, Bijan and Jahmyr had 5 drops on 83 targets.)
Good ball security, he's kind of a "above all else, do no harm" kind of back.
Decent in pass pro and had a lot of opportunities on 3rd down; led the league with 9 drops (64 targets.....for comp, Bijan and Jahmyr had 5 drops on 83 targets.)
Good ball security, he's kind of a "above all else, do no harm" kind of back.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
One of the most undervalued RBs in all of FF right now. I'm not saying he is the second coming but he will get FF points. Going several rounds late. Now about to copy and past these exact words into the Chase Brown thread as well.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Jerome Ford was frustrating for me to own last season. He was like the Gabe Davis of RB’s, had all his spike games on my bench and did nothing when I started him. The worst was when he had a smash matchup against the Broncos, the team with the worst rushing defense at the time, and the Browns’ strategy was to go pass heavy right from the jump. I’d feel good about having him in best ball but less so in other formats.
I still think he’s a value: he had 1,132 total yards and 9 total touchdowns as a committee back. Pretty good value, and you could do much worse for a 4th or 5th RB on your roster. I just wouldn’t feel great about having him as more than a bye/injury filler unless he shows improvement.
I still think he’s a value: he had 1,132 total yards and 9 total touchdowns as a committee back. Pretty good value, and you could do much worse for a 4th or 5th RB on your roster. I just wouldn’t feel great about having him as more than a bye/injury filler unless he shows improvement.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'd more or less agree except for the last part - I think he is good enough - the main question I have is whether the Browns will give the backfield to him in at least a 1A fashion. I believe they will and I think he runs away with it. He is a solid receiver too. Last year it was murkier. It could remain that way though, in which case yes best ball would be better.
Hartliner
Footballguy
The "popular" thought was we would see a platoon here with Donta Foreman at Goalline and Ford in between the 20s doing the work. However, Foreman is really having a time staying healthy this year. Not sure how bad the ribs are but I think we are seeing Ford getting the path to RB2 again this year. Also Chubb on PUP might be a longer situation setting up for Ford to be the guy for a larger chunk.
Glad I got him for my bench in the 10th RD at 113. Might be great flex now and then trade bait or kept as depth for RB.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Ford at minimum is winning the battle of attrition before the season even begins. Chubb and Hines are both still recovering from ACL injuries and missing the beginning of the season, and Foreman and Strong both suffered rib injuries recently, though it seems Strong may be ready for Week 1. But Ford has been the healthiest and should get all the work he can handle early on.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
His ADP is currently RB40, second lowest of any RB expected to start for his team Week 1 (Chuba Hubbard at RB45 is the lowest).
Yeah season long I get it being low but that seems too cheap. Guessing week 1 he’ll be close to 20 but if not I’m buying until he is.
Targeting both once we're into triple digit # players drafted.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
That's insane to me. Browns have a decent o-line, should move the ball (Watson's health pending), and he's got no competition.
I'm also of the mind that Chubb ain't coming back after 4 weeks, and when he does come back it'll still be a committee. If the Browns are out of the playoff hunt later in the season I can see them shutting down Chubb entirely.
Right? I got him in the 10th in a 12 team and with like the last pick in a ten man to hold me over until Brooks is back (hopefully). Wild he and Chuba sit for so long. They’re still their team’s RB1, or am I missing something?
jm192
Footballguy
Exactly this.
I can't see any world in which Cleveland gives him (Chubb) 20+ touches/game this season. It would be coaching/organizational malpractice.
I think Chubb takes half the work by the end of the season. Someone is going to point out that Ford will lose half of his touches come late in the season. 2 things on this:
1. You're paying for a split touches/handcuff RB.
2. There's a world in which Chubb doesn't play at all this season. He could have a set back. Guys with ACL injuries sometimes injure other things during the recovery.
I think for a guy that you're guaranteed 4 starts out of--Ford is an absolute STEAL.
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