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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (3 Viewers)

These results aren't boding well for Taylor's leverage.

Moss playing well and Indy winning.

Achane/Mostert doing well, and Miami likely no longer interested in trading for him (if they ever were)

Bears? They're trash, a RB won't fix them.

Browns figured their situation out.

Any contenders in big need of an RB anymore?
 
These results aren't boding well for Taylor's leverage.

Moss playing well and Indy winning.

Achane/Mostert doing well, and Miami likely no longer interested in trading for him (if they ever were)

Bears? They're trash, a RB won't fix them.

Browns figured their situation out.

Any contenders in big need of an RB anymore?
Feels like Indy is his best bet.
 
These results aren't boding well for Taylor's leverage.

Moss playing well and Indy winning.

Achane/Mostert doing well, and Miami likely no longer interested in trading for him (if they ever were)

Bears? They're trash, a RB won't fix them.

Browns figured their situation out.

Any contenders in big need of an RB anymore?
After watching Dillon I'm sure GB would still be interested but not for the ridiculous price Indy is asking.
 
These results aren't boding well for Taylor's leverage.

Moss playing well and Indy winning.

Achane/Mostert doing well, and Miami likely no longer interested in trading for him (if they ever were)

Bears? They're trash, a RB won't fix them.

Browns figured their situation out.

Any contenders in big need of an RB anymore?
After watching Dillon I'm sure GB would still be interested but not for the ridiculous price Indy is asking.
Jones' injury that bad?
 
These results aren't boding well for Taylor's leverage.

Moss playing well and Indy winning.

Achane/Mostert doing well, and Miami likely no longer interested in trading for him (if they ever were)

Bears? They're trash, a RB won't fix them.

Browns figured their situation out.

Any contenders in big need of an RB anymore?
After watching Dillon I'm sure GB would still be interested but not for the ridiculous price Indy is asking.
Jones' injury that bad?
I mean, the talk is that both Jones and Watson could have played today, they just held them out because they play Thursday, and that game is more important.
 
These results aren't boding well for Taylor's leverage.

Moss playing well and Indy winning.

Achane/Mostert doing well, and Miami likely no longer interested in trading for him (if they ever were)

Bears? They're trash, a RB won't fix them.

Browns figured their situation out.

Any contenders in big need of an RB anymore?
After watching Dillon I'm sure GB would still be interested but not for the ridiculous price Indy is asking.
Jones' injury that bad?
No it's not but they were interested before Jones even got hurt. And reportedly were willing to give Taylor an extension. Would make sense for them. Dillon is a free agent and unlikely to be brought back. Taylor IIRC is about 4-5 years younger than Jones. And GB will have 2 second round picks next year. Doesn't sound like Indy would accept that though from what has been reported.
 
These results aren't boding well for Taylor's leverage.

Moss playing well and Indy winning.

Achane/Mostert doing well, and Miami likely no longer interested in trading for him (if they ever were)

Bears? They're trash, a RB won't fix them.

Browns figured their situation out.

Any contenders in big need of an RB anymore?
After watching Dillon I'm sure GB would still be interested but not for the ridiculous price Indy is asking.
Jones' injury that bad?
No it's not but they were interested before Jones even got hurt. And reportedly were willing to give Taylor an extension. Would make sense for them. Dillon is a free agent and unlikely to be brought back. Taylor IIRC is about 4-5 years younger than Jones. And GB will have 2 second round picks next year. Doesn't sound like Indy would accept that though from what has been reported.
plus he is the college hometown hero.. it makes some sense i guess. they always like using two rbs
 
We know Taylor>>>>>>Moss. As much as we like to play with scenarios, the most likely outcome is Taylor comes back to Indy in week 5 and does his best to have a great season and cash in this offseason. I won't promise that's what happens, but its the most likely outcome I think. I doubt Irsay gives him away, and I doubt Taylor seriously sits out more.

I do wonder if the Colts looking like they could win the division matters at all to Taylor. I think some of the issue was busting his *** for a rebuilding team and wearing out the tread on his tires for a loser.
 
As a Taylor owner the two spots I thought would work were Vikings and Dolphins. As of now neither seem like teams that would give up assets and a big contract. I think the best path to actual fantasy numbers is on the Colts. Smh
 
I assume Maimi is out of the mix with Achane and Mosert looking like Payton and Sayers.

Even the Vikings still look good but with 0-3 and a crappy-ish roster on the defensive side of the ball, it's not looking good. Any teams with rookie contract QB's and decent records?

I still think Green Bay is the play but they just loving building through the draft. It's in their DNA. Love has a low cap hit and Dillon is terrible. They need some youth and durability in the offense. Packers have some explosive WR's when they are fully healthy. Taylor will be running through some big lanes. Not only that, but next year they would probably be set up for Taylor as the lead in the backfield and using Aaron Jones in an explosive change of pace role on a reduced contract.
 
I assume Maimi is out of the mix with Achane and Mosert looking like Payton and Sayers.

Even the Vikings still look good but with 0-3 and a crappy-ish roster on the defensive side of the ball, it's not looking good. Any teams with rookie contract QB's and decent records?

I still think Green Bay is the play but they just loving building through the draft. It's in their DNA. Love has a low cap hit and Dillon is terrible. They need some youth and durability in the offense. Packers have some explosive WR's when they are fully healthy. Taylor will be running through some big lanes. Not only that, but next year they would probably be set up for Taylor as the lead in the backfield and using Aaron Jones in an explosive change of pace role on a reduced contract.
JT will remain with the Colts unless they get equivalent to a 1st, which probably won't happen. However, you never know, it could happen as teams become more desperate. Ravens? Nothing has or will change for the Colts asking price. If they have to franchise him the next two years, so be it.
 
I assume Maimi is out of the mix with Achane and Mosert looking like Payton and Sayers.

Even the Vikings still look good but with 0-3 and a crappy-ish roster on the defensive side of the ball, it's not looking good. Any teams with rookie contract QB's and decent records?

I still think Green Bay is the play but they just loving building through the draft. It's in their DNA. Love has a low cap hit and Dillon is terrible. They need some youth and durability in the offense. Packers have some explosive WR's when they are fully healthy. Taylor will be running through some big lanes. Not only that, but next year they would probably be set up for Taylor as the lead in the backfield and using Aaron Jones in an explosive change of pace role on a reduced contract.
JT will remain with the Colts unless they get equivalent to a 1st, which probably won't happen. However, you never know, it could happen as teams become more desperate. Ravens? Nothing has or will change for the Colts asking price. If they have to franchise him the next two years, so be it.
Not sue why the Ravens would do this. Gus has been a 5.0 ypc guy every year. Cap isn't an issued for them this year but they'd be hard pressed to do a long term deal with LJax's salary ballooning in 2026. Would he sign a 2 year extension if the bonus money was right?
 
I assume Maimi is out of the mix with Achane and Mosert looking like Payton and Sayers.

Even the Vikings still look good but with 0-3 and a crappy-ish roster on the defensive side of the ball, it's not looking good. Any teams with rookie contract QB's and decent records?

I still think Green Bay is the play but they just loving building through the draft. It's in their DNA. Love has a low cap hit and Dillon is terrible. They need some youth and durability in the offense. Packers have some explosive WR's when they are fully healthy. Taylor will be running through some big lanes. Not only that, but next year they would probably be set up for Taylor as the lead in the backfield and using Aaron Jones in an explosive change of pace role on a reduced contract.
JT will remain with the Colts unless they get equivalent to a 1st, which probably won't happen. However, you never know, it could happen as teams become more desperate. Ravens? Nothing has or will change for the Colts asking price. If they have to franchise him the next two years, so be it.
Not sue why the Ravens would do this. Gus has been a 5.0 ypc guy every year. Cap isn't an issued for them this year but they'd be hard pressed to do a long term deal with LJax's salary ballooning in 2026. Would he sign a 2 year extension if the bonus money was right?
I would like the Colts to throw him a bone that satisfies both Taylor and the Colts, but if not, then just franchise him next year. Taylor has no leverage.
 
We know how management feels, but I wonder if the Colts players really want to see him come back. At least when Bell staged his holdout, he got support from the Steeler players who thought he had earned a contract. JT has ignored his teammates, even when he returned to the practice field and just seems like a guy with a sour disposition that nobody wants to hang around. Now, Moss is tearing it up with teammates who seem to genuinely like him.

don‘t see anyone giving up a 1st for him, so the most likely outcome is that he returns to the Colts with a bad attitude. They put him in a platoon with Moss and his attitude further deteriorates. He half asses it for the rest of the year and walks in 2024. Colts are not going to franchise him for 12 million dollars and he’ll have to be happy with a “prove it” contract somewhere else with lots of conditional bonus money.

I own him in my two main leagues, so I hope I’m wrong, but this situation has disaster written all over it.
 
We know how management feels, but I wonder if the Colts players really want to see him come back. At least when Bell staged his holdout, he got support from the Steeler players who thought he had earned a contract. JT has ignored his teammates, even when he returned to the practice field and just seems like a guy with a sour disposition that nobody wants to hang around. Now, Moss is tearing it up with teammates who seem to genuinely like him.

don‘t see anyone giving up a 1st for him, so the most likely outcome is that he returns to the Colts with a bad attitude. They put him in a platoon with Moss and his attitude further deteriorates. He half asses it for the rest of the year and walks in 2024. Colts are not going to franchise him for 12 million dollars and he’ll have to be happy with a “prove it” contract somewhere else with lots of conditional bonus money.

I own him in my two main leagues, so I hope I’m wrong, but this situation has disaster written all over it.
So ready to find out what happens here. I need some help from Taylor lol ...
 
I don’t think GB is an option. For $$$ reasons. If Love keeps playing well they will have to extend him…plus Rashan Gary’s price tag keeps going higher
 
We know how management feels, but I wonder if the Colts players really want to see him come back. At least when Bell staged his holdout, he got support from the Steeler players who thought he had earned a contract. JT has ignored his teammates, even when he returned to the practice field and just seems like a guy with a sour disposition that nobody wants to hang around. Now, Moss is tearing it up with teammates who seem to genuinely like him.

don‘t see anyone giving up a 1st for him, so the most likely outcome is that he returns to the Colts with a bad attitude. They put him in a platoon with Moss and his attitude further deteriorates. He half asses it for the rest of the year and walks in 2024. Colts are not going to franchise him for 12 million dollars and he’ll have to be happy with a “prove it” contract somewhere else with lots of conditional bonus money.

I own him in my two main leagues, so I hope I’m wrong, but this situation has disaster written all over it.
I think most players are smart and understand the money aspect of this. I'm guessing on his case. I'll say if they liked him before all of this I think they still do.
 
We know how management feels, but I wonder if the Colts players really want to see him come back. At least when Bell staged his holdout, he got support from the Steeler players who thought he had earned a contract. JT has ignored his teammates, even when he returned to the practice field and just seems like a guy with a sour disposition that nobody wants to hang around. Now, Moss is tearing it up with teammates who seem to genuinely like him.

don‘t see anyone giving up a 1st for him, so the most likely outcome is that he returns to the Colts with a bad attitude. They put him in a platoon with Moss and his attitude further deteriorates. He half asses it for the rest of the year and walks in 2024. Colts are not going to franchise him for 12 million dollars and he’ll have to be happy with a “prove it” contract somewhere else with lots of conditional bonus money.

I own him in my two main leagues, so I hope I’m wrong, but this situation has disaster written all over it.
I'd be very surprised if he tanked his value by coming back and half assed his play. That's a good way to get teams uninterested in paying you, and its also a good way to get injured. I actually think Taylor comes back with a huge chip on his shoulder, and the team looking a lot better than last year makes me think Taylor has top-3 upside if things break right.
 
I don’t think GB is an option. For $$$ reasons. If Love keeps playing well they will have to extend him…plus Rashan Gary’s price tag keeps going higher
I feel pretty sure they made an offer for him and what I had read were making offers for him past Irsay's self-imposed deadline.

Love's contract, the timing of when it would actually kick in should he earn and extension, is fairly irrelevant.
 
We know how management feels, but I wonder if the Colts players really want to see him come back. At least when Bell staged his holdout, he got support from the Steeler players who thought he had earned a contract. JT has ignored his teammates, even when he returned to the practice field and just seems like a guy with a sour disposition that nobody wants to hang around. Now, Moss is tearing it up with teammates who seem to genuinely like him.

don‘t see anyone giving up a 1st for him, so the most likely outcome is that he returns to the Colts with a bad attitude. They put him in a platoon with Moss and his attitude further deteriorates. He half asses it for the rest of the year and walks in 2024. Colts are not going to franchise him for 12 million dollars and he’ll have to be happy with a “prove it” contract somewhere else with lots of conditional bonus money.

I own him in my two main leagues, so I hope I’m wrong, but this situation has disaster written all over it.
I'd be very surprised if he tanked his value by coming back and half assed his play. That's a good way to get teams uninterested in paying you, and its also a good way to get injured. I actually think Taylor comes back with a huge chip on his shoulder, and the team looking a lot better than last year makes me think Taylor has top-3 upside if things break right.
My argument would be that feigning an injury and being as detached from the team as possible wold lead to those same negative consequences but here we are.
 
I'd be very surprised if he tanked his value by coming back and half assed his play. That's a good way to get teams uninterested in paying you, and its also a good way to get injured. I actually think Taylor comes back with a huge chip on his shoulder, and the team looking a lot better than last year makes me think Taylor has top-3 upside if things break right.
This is where I am at. JT is a smart dude, he played the best hand he had at the time and lost. Given the current circumstances his best opportunity for a max RB extension is to go ball out for 12 weeks, prove he has recovered from last year's mediocre/downgrade of a season, then he is in the driver's seat.
 
I don’t think GB is an option. For $$$ reasons. If Love keeps playing well they will have to extend him…plus Rashan Gary’s price tag keeps going higher
I feel pretty sure they made an offer for him and what I had read were making offers for him past Irsay's self-imposed deadline.

Love's contract, the timing of when it would actually kick in should he earn and extension, is fairly irrelevant.

A QB contract is not exactly irrelevant. Possible rumors of offers by GB are to be taken with abgrain of salt given the number of players they were “in on the conversation “ to acquire and never did.
 
I don’t think GB is an option. For $$$ reasons. If Love keeps playing well they will have to extend him…plus Rashan Gary’s price tag keeps going higher
I feel pretty sure they made an offer for him and what I had read were making offers for him past Irsay's self-imposed deadline.

Love's contract, the timing of when it would actually kick in should he earn and extension, is fairly irrelevant.

A QB contract is not exactly irrelevant. Possible rumors of offers by GB are to be taken with abgrain of salt given the number of players they were “in on the conversation “ to acquire and never did.
Understand what I mean when I reference timing of any extension Love might earn. Look at how much time is left on Love's contract. Look at the first year cap hits of Qb's that sign massive multi year extensions. It's probably 2026 until any meaningful cap hit took place.

You can dismiss rumors all you want but when Stephen Holder reports it I'm buying it.
 
I don’t think GB is an option. For $$$ reasons. If Love keeps playing well they will have to extend him…plus Rashan Gary’s price tag keeps going higher
I feel pretty sure they made an offer for him and what I had read were making offers for him past Irsay's self-imposed deadline.

Love's contract, the timing of when it would actually kick in should he earn and extension, is fairly irrelevant.

A QB contract is not exactly irrelevant. Possible rumors of offers by GB are to be taken with abgrain of salt given the number of players they were “in on the conversation “ to acquire and never did.
Understand what I mean when I reference timing of any extension Love might earn. Look at how much time is left on Love's contract. Look at the first year cap hits of Qb's that sign massive multi year extensions. It's probably 2026 until any meaningful cap hit took place.

You can dismiss rumors all you want but when Stephen Holder reports it I'm buying it.

Green Bay is middle of the pack in projected cap space next year, and thats with a 29 going on 30 year old Aaron Jones getting $12MM next year. They’ve got some other high dollar guys they can restructure too. They could easily make space if they want Taylor.
 
They could make space…but given Gary and Love likely getting extensions before next season (well Gary isn’t necessarily likely…they may let him walk if demand gets too crazy).

And its more the nature of Green Bay always being in on it but never making the move. I will believe they make such a move when it’s signed.
 
If Miss puts up one more nice game, why would they keep him? They clearly don’t want to pay him, they have a very serviceable back in Moss, they should be realistic and send him to Balt, GB, etc and just take a 2nd rounder.

Moss/JT owner, wishful thinking.
 
If Miss puts up one more nice game, why would they keep him? They clearly don’t want to pay him, they have a very serviceable back in Moss, they should be realistic and send him to Balt, GB, etc and just take a 2nd rounder.

Moss/JT owner, wishful thinking.
Uh….no.
 
If Miss puts up one more nice game, why would they keep him? They clearly don’t want to pay him, they have a very serviceable back in Moss, they should be realistic and send him to Balt, GB, etc and just take a 2nd rounder.

Moss/JT owner, wishful thinking.
Serviceable is the right word for Moss. He's a solid #2. That said, 30-122 isn't great, I feel like Taylor puts up another 30-50 yards on that workload.
 
very surprised if he tanked his value by coming back and half assed his play. That's a good way to get teams uninterested in paying you

Keep hearing this, and normally it makes sense. But these aren't normal RB times and the best NFL GMs will know that when it's time to pick through and pay the wash.
 
I think the math is pretty simple. He doesn't come back or comes back and averages 3.7 yards a game and looks unhappy to play he lowers his value and gets less money. He comes back, averages 5 yards a carry and puts the Colts on his back with his play and passion. That increases his value and gets more money. I'm assuming Taylor is smart enough to understand that. It's business.
 
If Miss puts up one more nice game, why would they keep him? They clearly don’t want to pay him, they have a very serviceable back in Moss, they should be realistic and send him to Balt, GB, etc and just take a 2nd rounder.

Moss/JT owner, wishful thinking.
Serviceable is the right word for Moss. He's a solid #2. That said, 30-122 isn't great, I feel like Taylor puts up another 30-50 yards on that workload.
Appreciate your feedback Travdogg but how is 30-122 not great against the Ravens on the road with their backup QB? Zack Moss has played great and is a RB1 until further notice. He even caught that wheel route over Queen or whoever the linebacker was.

Ravens barely gave up anything in the rushing department until the Colts came into the town. The Colts want to run the ball and are damn good at it.

I agree JT would absolutely smash if he is healthy and wants to play for the Colts this year. But he wants to get paid before wrecking his body out there. He doesn't have much leverage but the Colts should just trade him away for a good return and roll with Moss. I can see a contender upping the trade price as the year goes on. Colts are in no rush. Colts might not even play him if he's healthy in order to preserve trade value. Who knows? Just speculation at this point. I'm saying that the Colts have won games and Moss has 100 YFS each game. That's above average in this league and above average at the RB position is more than good enough. They tossed Deon Jackson too, giving Moss even more confidence.
 
very surprised if he tanked his value by coming back and half assed his play. That's a good way to get teams uninterested in paying you

Keep hearing this, and normally it makes sense. But these aren't normal RB times and the best NFL GMs will know that when it's time to pick through and pay the wash.
Every time I hear this I wonder how James Harden is still playing basketball, let alone getting max contracts. Pretty sure owners care more about talent and will excuse just about anything else, right or wrong, in order to acquire it.
 
I think the math is pretty simple. He doesn't come back or comes back and averages 3.7 yards a game and looks unhappy to play he lowers his value and gets less money. He comes back, averages 5 yards a carry and puts the Colts on his back with his play and passion. That increases his value and gets more money. I'm assuming Taylor is smart enough to understand that. It's business.
I think I would add "comes back and gets hurt" to the equation.
 
I think the math is pretty simple. He doesn't come back or comes back and averages 3.7 yards a game and looks unhappy to play he lowers his value and gets less money. He comes back, averages 5 yards a carry and puts the Colts on his back with his play and passion. That increases his value and gets more money. I'm assuming Taylor is smart enough to understand that. It's business.
I think I would add "comes back and gets hurt" to the equation.
I agree, but all athletes take on some type of risk.
 
I think the math is pretty simple. He doesn't come back or comes back and averages 3.7 yards a game and looks unhappy to play he lowers his value and gets less money. He comes back, averages 5 yards a carry and puts the Colts on his back with his play and passion. That increases his value and gets more money. I'm assuming Taylor is smart enough to understand that. It's business.
I think I would add "comes back and gets hurt" to the equation.
I agree, but all athletes take on some type of risk.
They do but on the scatter plot chart, Taylor is in the "a lot to lose and little protection against losing it" quadrant.
 
If Miss puts up one more nice game, why would they keep him? They clearly don’t want to pay him, they have a very serviceable back in Moss, they should be realistic and send him to Balt, GB, etc and just take a 2nd rounder.

Moss/JT owner, wishful thinking.
Serviceable is the right word for Moss. He's a solid #2. That said, 30-122 isn't great, I feel like Taylor puts up another 30-50 yards on that workload.
Appreciate your feedback Travdogg but how is 30-122 not great against the Ravens on the road with their backup QB? Zack Moss has played great and is a RB1 until further notice. He even caught that wheel route over Queen or whoever the linebacker was.

Ravens barely gave up anything in the rushing department until the Colts came into the town. The Colts want to run the ball and are damn good at it.

I agree JT would absolutely smash if he is healthy and wants to play for the Colts this year. But he wants to get paid before wrecking his body out there. He doesn't have much leverage but the Colts should just trade him away for a good return and roll with Moss. I can see a contender upping the trade price as the year goes on. Colts are in no rush. Colts might not even play him if he's healthy in order to preserve trade value. Who knows? Just speculation at this point. I'm saying that the Colts have won games and Moss has 100 YFS each game. That's above average in this league and above average at the RB position is more than good enough. They tossed Deon Jackson too, giving Moss even more confidence.
I mean, the Ravens faced the Texans and Bengals prior. Of course their run stats looked good, but they were also down several starters, particularly in the secondary, which caused them to be having LBs dropping back more.

I'm not saying Moss sucks, I've long been one of his biggest supporters, but he's not explosive in any way. He can be a Montgomery type while he's starting, but that's not an RB1. That wheel route was really impressive, but he's not really a pass catcher either.

If I could get WR2 or something like that for Moss, I'd be happy to. Probably even WR3.
 
So is next Tuesday or Wednesday the day we find out if he’s coming off the PUP and playing for the Colts?

Things probably won't be so clear around this time next week.

I feel pretty confident he'll be off the PUP list, like bet my life on it kind of confidence. He could technically play this out one more week but he was always going to get off the PUP list by week 6 because that's the deadline to accrue a full season. I don't anticipate him trying to draw out another week on the PUP.

But....

The Colts have a few weeks, 3 I believe, from the time he comes of PUP to practice before he's put on the active roster. He's not so much as practiced one day since December and of course this is a new offense.

I would be surprised if he's playing in week 5, maybe not even week 6. And when he does return I would expect a few week ramp-up, a very limited role and not someone you'd want in your starting lineup if you got other options.

If he's willing I'd think the Colts might want to try and showcase him to the league by week 8, the last game before the trade deadline, if he's still a Colt at that time I should say.
 
I doubt he is going anywhere. Any team trading for him knows they have to offer him a new high priced contract and to this point the Colts asking price is unrealistic knowing the new contract that is going with trading for him. A key injury in the next couple of weeks might change things but most likely he will be under contract with the Colts this season.
 

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